Re: A bit more like 'romantic punk'

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I said it over there too, but I admire André Leon Talley's frankness. Nothing wrong with his reply.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 05- 8-13 7:05 AM
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Me too.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 05- 8-13 7:10 AM
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I remember a friend of mine saying to this girl who was all done up "punk is dead... and disco isn't!" which was an entertainingly true burn in 1991. I do not think it is less true now.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 05- 8-13 7:15 AM
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For better or worse, Madonna took it in a direction that was at least recognizable.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 05- 8-13 7:20 AM
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Frankly few of these sound that terrible -- not any stupider than the event itself. What the hell are you supposed to say? Also anyone acting in 2013 like punk has been anything other than bullshit marketing since, I dunno, 1979, is more of an asshole than these celebrities.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 05- 8-13 7:27 AM
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What is this other place I keep hearing so much about?


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 05- 8-13 7:29 AM
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Dayton, OH.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05- 8-13 7:34 AM
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Basically the only punk I listen to now is pretty old. I guess I don't hear X or the Clash as really being punk rock. Naked Raygun and the DKs, but honestly I don't listen to them that often.

Antisocial music that I like isn't punk rock anymore-- Bmore club or pissed-off hip-hop.


Posted by: lw | Link to this comment | 05- 8-13 7:37 AM
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5 - I don't know, I am friend-of-a-friend with some crust punks who are keeping it real. They're keeping it real by being kind of disgusting people whom nobody would want to emulate, but that's because now I'm the Man.


Posted by: snarkout | Link to this comment | 05- 8-13 7:55 AM
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I didn't know 'crust punk' was a thing. I thought punks and crusties were separate. I see crusties around from time to time.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05- 8-13 7:57 AM
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Iggy and the Stooges (now featuring Mike Watt!) keeping the punk real.


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 05- 8-13 8:00 AM
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5: not any stupider than the event itself.

I agree. However, the attendees were presumably all there by choice.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 05- 8-13 8:00 AM
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So none of the cool kids want to tell me where the other place is. Now that's punk rock.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 05- 8-13 8:30 AM
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Facebook.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05- 8-13 8:32 AM
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Or Hell. Or both.


Posted by: MAE | Link to this comment | 05- 8-13 8:39 AM
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Thanks Moby, you can borrow my albums if you want.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 05- 8-13 8:40 AM
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I don't even have an album-playing thing.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05- 8-13 8:41 AM
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keeping the punk real.

Fronting ads for Swiftsure Insurance != keeping it real. Sorry.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 05- 8-13 8:46 AM
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Also anyone acting in 2013 like punk has been anything other than bullshit marketing since, I dunno, 1979, is more of an asshole than these celebrities.

The spirit of the claim should compel me to start a real kicking fight over it, but it's all too fucking convoluted for a clear knockout, so let's just rewrite the above as "anyone acting like marketing 'punk' has been anything other than bullshit since, I dunno, 1979..." The bunches of teenage bands playing 20-minute sets for audiences of maybe 200, in every city I've ever lived in* and probably every city you've lived in, couldn't sell out if they tried. Minor cultural forces and very small subcultures are not nothing. While I totally understand the point you're making, I don't think it's the whole story.

This is not kicking enough.

* I'm taking Palo Alto on misguided faith here.


Posted by: lurid keyaki | Link to this comment | 05- 8-13 9:11 AM
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You know what's really punk? A billion dollars. That's punk.


Posted by: Opinionated Mark Zuckerberg | Link to this comment | 05- 8-13 9:27 AM
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19 is correct.

I just got the merchandising email from the Met for all the exhibit related products and boy oh boy they didn't even try. Just stupid shit (like pencil cases) with the word "PUNK" printed on them. Oh, and skateboard decks. Dude. Man.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 05- 8-13 10:24 AM
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The bunches of teenage bands playing 20-minute sets for audiences of maybe 200, in every city I've ever lived in* and probably every city you've lived in, couldn't sell out if they tried.

I bet XBXRX could have pulled it off!


Posted by: snarkout | Link to this comment | 05- 8-13 10:25 AM
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21: Nothing says "Fuck authority!" quite like a pencil case.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 05- 8-13 10:29 AM
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19 -- sure (and the same could be said for pretty much any genre, including metal, classical music, dance music, etc.). It's just that punk has also been a coopted fashion choice since forever (maybe since its origins if you think hard about Malcolm McLaren), so getting high and mighty about its purported authenticity or the Met's/celebrities betrayal thereof is pretty silly.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 05- 8-13 10:33 AM
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Halford's absolutely right. These are serious people who deserve to be taken seriously and GOOP went totally classic on a punk night.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 05- 8-13 10:41 AM
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|startbrag|

Damn, I kicked some ass at that talk.

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Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 05- 8-13 10:42 AM
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And Lipstick Traces is pretty silly. I think the amusement is more in the fact that punk has indeed been so widely marketed, sanitized, packaged and spoon-fed to the masses for close to forty years, and these people still can't get it in the ballpark. Kristen whatever knows to lie about liking the Sex Pistols; that's about it.


Posted by: lurid keyaki | Link to this comment | 05- 8-13 10:45 AM
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26: Woooooo! Go, you!


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 05- 8-13 10:47 AM
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26: Star wipe between your slides?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05- 8-13 10:49 AM
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26: punk rawk!


Posted by: lurid keyaki | Link to this comment | 05- 8-13 10:49 AM
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29: star wipes in their eyes.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 05- 8-13 11:07 AM
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couldn't sell out if they tried

Neither can I, and I've been at it a while.

Lena Dunham's quote is very good.


Posted by: k-sky | Link to this comment | 05- 8-13 1:33 PM
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McKenzie Wark, Beach Beneath the Street, 2011, talking about Debord article on Watts

In the spectacle, what is good appears and what appears is good.

The looter jumps the gap between desire and the commodity. The looter takes desires for their necessity, and necessity for their desires,but freeing the commodity from exchange does not expunge exchange from the commodity. The riot contains a quite contrary movement as well--arson.

The arsonist is not the same as the looter. The arsonist's is a negative relation to what appears, particularly to the built environment. The arsonist's actions are marked by the refusal of spectacular form. Constant: "Enormous energy is being withdrawn from the labor process and it finds no other outlet than in aggression prompted by dissatisfaction."

In the riot, that aggression turns against two of its sources: against the time of the commodity form; against an alienating urban space.

Looting and arson are recurring events within what René Viénet calls the "overdeveloped world." They are the mark of overdevelopment, of the quantitative expansion of production outstripping the
qualitative transformation of everyday life, of desires spinning their wheels, without traction in the elaboration of needs.

The proximate causes may vary, and are usually to do with the thuggery of the police and the indifference of the state. What the Situationists point to is the consistency and persistence of what follows, the twin forks of seize it all or burn it down.

(I thought "Burn shit down and take their stuff" was original to myself. But there is no originality, no solitary insight or individual thought.)

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Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 05- 9-13 6:08 PM
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