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Buck. That's how all his t-shirts fail when they wear out -- thumb through the back of the neck where he grabs it is the first rip.

Might be a skinny-guy thing? I think I'd strangle myself trying to take a shirt off like that, but a broadshouldered thin guy, the shirt seems as if it'd hang up less than it does on someone fleshier.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 06-25-13 12:24 PM
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I do this.


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 06-25-13 12:27 PM
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No kidding, he wears his shirts out from his thumbs! Huh.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 06-25-13 12:29 PM
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I don't wear my shirts out with my thumbs, though. The armpits are what usually go first for me.


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 06-25-13 12:31 PM
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My armpits get holes first, except on dress shirts where the collar wears out first. My stubble is sand paper.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-25-13 12:32 PM
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for knits, yes. I have a couple of shirts made of woven fabrics for which this is not feasible.

Shouldn't just typing "take your shirt off" into the google be helpful on this?


Posted by: lw | Link to this comment | 06-25-13 12:33 PM
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This maneuver is limited to shirts that one puts on by pulling them over one's head, right? Surely nobody does this with button-front dress shirts?


Posted by: MAE | Link to this comment | 06-25-13 12:34 PM
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Shouldn't just typing "take your shirt off" into the google be helpful on this?

Surely so! Maybe I can clarify by adding "with head".


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 06-25-13 12:35 PM
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No, button front shirts you take off the regular way and then wave them over your head like a helicopter. Is it hot in here?


Posted by: lw | Link to this comment | 06-25-13 12:35 PM
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My song!


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 06-25-13 12:35 PM
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Surely nobody does this with button-front dress shirts?

Actually, Don did it with a button-down in the move that caught my attention. He was drunk, though. This is in Season 4, so no spoilers if he switches methods later on.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 06-25-13 12:37 PM
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It's a pretty attractive move, I will admit. You all should keep doing it.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 06-25-13 12:38 PM
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12 OK, you all just twirl your hair or something in case you don't feel like twerking. Wait, the musical episode is not a good sign in the life cycle of a sitcom.

Ginuwine's family name is Lumpkin.


Posted by: lw | Link to this comment | 06-25-13 12:44 PM
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I can't do it, I don't think. I take my shirts off one-handed, though, from the bottom left side using my right hand.


Posted by: AWB | Link to this comment | 06-25-13 12:57 PM
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I've done this with both t-shirts and button-front shirts. But with t-shirts, it does stretch out the necks.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 06-25-13 1:15 PM
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I don't do this, never tried, but I do have an idiosyncratic way of putting on T-shirts: hold it out in front of you by the shoulders, front side forward, toss it in the air so it spins 180 degrees along its horizontal axis, grab it by the hems, then put it on. I think I may have had some trouble in my youth getting them on right-side-forward.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 06-25-13 1:18 PM
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Putting on shirts is completely different. I have a jig for that.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-25-13 1:19 PM
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17: Your wife is a lucky woman.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 06-25-13 1:21 PM
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I consistently hang my shirts with the back to the right. If I hang the shirt the wrong way, there's an excellent chance I'll wear it backward all day.


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 06-25-13 1:26 PM
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18: She gives me $5 whenever something I say gets made the mouse-over text.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-25-13 1:27 PM
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That's a very complicated way of earning your Rusty Nails.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 06-25-13 1:41 PM
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I bet Jon Hamm also removes his shirts this way. He just looks like he would.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 06-25-13 2:02 PM
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I do it sometimes, so it's not just the men among us.


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 06-25-13 2:44 PM
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I take off my shirt like this too, heebie! Teeshirts *and* button-downs!


Posted by: delagar | Link to this comment | 06-25-13 3:27 PM
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But I'm not nearly as hot as Don Draper while I'm doing it!


Posted by: delagar | Link to this comment | 06-25-13 3:28 PM
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I just tried this. It was impossible. Either my shirt's fabric was too heavy, or the shirt's cut was too tight, or being soaked with sweat (I just biked home from work and it's 90 degrees out) makes it harder.


Posted by: Cyrus | Link to this comment | 06-25-13 3:41 PM
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I tried. It wasn't hard to do.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-25-13 4:39 PM
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Nice work. Now, how will Heebie get us all out of our pants?


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 06-25-13 4:53 PM
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Pictures in the pool?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-25-13 5:20 PM
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I do this when I am sweaty and my shirt is kinda stuck to me.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06-25-13 5:22 PM
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I grab the inside of the neck on both sides and pull the shirt over my head. I could and probably have taken off my shirt with one hand but I don't do that normally.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 06-25-13 5:31 PM
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31: Hah. I was just trying to formulate something like that I've seen people, usually men, do, when putting on shirts, sort of a reverse of the removal-by-the-neck procedure. It involves gathering up the shirt around the neck and hanging the whole bunched-up thing around the neck, then working your arms up into the bunches in order to poke them out the sleeves, and pulling the rest down around the torso.

Don't know if that's what fa is referring to, and it never occurred to me that it's kind of weird, and usually gender specific, but yeah.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 06-25-13 6:02 PM
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32: No offense to the men you know, but that's how kids tend to learn to dress themselves because it's easy.

I remove my shirt like AWB does, one-handed crosswise from the waist. I guess when my hair's been short I could have learned the from-the-back-neck version, since it seems to be hair and not breasts that make the difference.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 06-25-13 6:18 PM
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Parsimon, men's shirts can be so voluminous that one can get lost in there. in the dark. with a dog. reading.


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 06-25-13 6:19 PM
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I've been buying tighter shirts (laydeez!) because that seems to be the fashion. Now I can't fit another person in my shirt.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-25-13 6:26 PM
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Huh. I just did a little empirical research and it turns out I grab the shirt with one hand once I've lifted it a bit above my neck. Also, I put my shirt on like a little kid.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 06-25-13 6:30 PM
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Except when I was a little kid, I used to take one arm out of the shirt first.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 06-25-13 6:34 PM
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This reminds me of the video that went around with seven dozen instances of Whatsisname from Star Trek: Whichever The Fuck Series getting into a chair in an unusual manner.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 06-25-13 6:35 PM
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16: hold it out in front of you by the shoulders, front side forward, toss it in the air so it spins 180 degrees along its horizontal axis, grab it by the hems, then put it on

A completely novel sexual technique?


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 06-25-13 6:36 PM
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37: That is how I remove pull-over shirts, but once one arm is removed from the sleeve, I use two hands to pull the rest up over the head by the hem, in a kind of diagonal motion.

hypothesizing that there may be some divide between those who are neck-focused and those who are hem-focused.

That is, in putting on shirts, I observe which side is the front, lay the shirt down (like on the bed) face-down, pick it up by the hem and insert my head into the bottom, stick my arms through the arm holes, and put my head through the neck. This is just entirely opposite from the neck-first approach, it seems to me.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 06-25-13 6:45 PM
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38: Smearcase, do tell: my search terms aren't coming up with this video of which you speak.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 06-25-13 6:51 PM
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41: Try "Riker sits down".


Posted by: snarkout | Link to this comment | 06-25-13 6:56 PM
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Never mind. I was looking for getting out of a chair rather than getting into one. I blame this thread for out and in confusion.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 06-25-13 6:56 PM
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41: Riker 'mounting' his seats


Posted by: Turgid Jacobian | Link to this comment | 06-25-13 6:57 PM
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I confess that I'm a big Star Trek: Next Generation fan, and I had never noticed Riker doing that.

He certainly does the heavily masculine-identifying sitting with one ankle across the opposite knee, splaying the crotch. Apparently some humans find that a comfortable way to sit.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 06-25-13 7:07 PM
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He certainly does the heavily masculine-identifying sitting with one ankle across the opposite knee, splaying the crotch. Apparently some humans find that a comfortable way to sit.

Huh, I'd never really thought of that as particularly masculine. I do sit that way pretty often (right now, for instance), but I wouldn't say I find it very comfortable.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 06-25-13 7:08 PM
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I put the t-shirt over a vice-device which holds it open and upright, and then I step into the neck hole with my feet and shimmy it up. The neckline gets stuck around my hips, at which point I cleverly invert the whole shirt and wear it upside down and inside out. I find it's easiest.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 06-25-13 7:08 PM
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Nuh-huh.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-25-13 7:11 PM
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Another vote for yep, I do this, especially with a soaking-wet running shirt.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 06-25-13 7:14 PM
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I crawl in through the arm hole.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 06-25-13 7:14 PM
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I put my pants on one sleeve at a time. But when they're soaking wet I pull them over my head with my left foot in a diagonal motion across my chest.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 06-25-13 7:22 PM
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After several attempts, wearing a voluminous and completely dry t-shirt, I managed the method described in the OP without hurting myself. Wearing glasses made it much harder, but even if I took them off beforehand the shirt was still likely to get stuck on my chin, nose, or ears. Also, I did all this during ad breaks while watching TV with tigger and she found it hilarious. I hope you're all happy.

32: What's what with that? The deodorant and comb are kept on the same shelf. If I comb my hair before putting my shirt over my head then my hair just gets messed up again, but I have to put deodorant on before lowering my shirt over my arms, so I do both of those with the shirt halfway on. Are you suggesting I do it a more inefficient way?


Posted by: Cyrus | Link to this comment | 06-25-13 7:22 PM
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46: Are we talking about the same thing? I'm referring to this. (Sorry for the hugely long url - it's just a google image search result.) Never mind the guy stretching back in his chair with his hands behind his head: just the legs.

Not many women sit like that, in my experience. It's distinctly marked as masculine.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 06-25-13 7:28 PM
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53: Yeah, that's the same thing, and I don't doubt that it's something men do more than women. That's just not something I've noticed in my own experience.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 06-25-13 7:30 PM
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52.2: You are right! I had not thought about the deodorant angle!


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 06-25-13 7:34 PM
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I'm confused by the people claiming they can do this with a button-down shirt. Wouldn't you have to undo at least a few buttons first? T-shirts are stretchier so I can see it there.

Or maybe I need to actually try it to understand. My shirt-removal method always involves two hands.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 06-25-13 7:36 PM
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"Button-down" means buttons on the collar, not down the front.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-25-13 7:40 PM
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Oh. Right. Button-front. Wevs. My confusion stands.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 06-25-13 8:00 PM
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Markey wins! In Mass.

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Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 06-25-13 8:06 PM
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59: Oh, good. Otherwise I would have been really upset because, um, I forgot to vote. (I had planned what time I was going to vote and then a meeting got rescheduled and then... it just totally slipped my mind. Embarrassing.)


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 06-25-13 8:10 PM
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60: Well, on the button-front shirt front, I'm pretty sure people are thinking that you have to unbutton a couple of buttons first. It's not like you're going to have the whole shirt buttoned up to the neck and still remove it from the back of the neck with one hand. Uh, I think.

Your head is (hopefully!) too big to fit through that buttoned neck-hole. I would think. I haven't seen Don Draper do it, though.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 06-25-13 8:16 PM
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Huh, I'd never really thought of that as particularly masculine.

I will say that which way you cross your legs is something you put active consideration into if you ever had an overdeveloped concern about masculinity or the lack of it. Crossing them the comfortable way was known to mean something, or hint at it.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 06-25-13 8:22 PM
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First summer in this two-bedroom apartment with roommate. I told roommate that I might do without an air conditioner hoping to save some money. He's got one. I tell him that if I do without one I intend to pay more or less the same per month for electric as I've been paying throughout the winter and spring. The usage on the electric shows that last year it more than doubled for the summer months. He's got a real problem with this. I'd feel like a real chump if I subsidized his air conditioning for the summer and I'm gaining no benefit from it. Advice sought.

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Posted by: Calvin Coolidge | Link to this comment | 06-25-13 8:29 PM
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Nothing to do but stand your ground. Has he got a theory for why the bill would have gone up in the summer other than his air conditioner? I can't think of one offhand, but maybe there' something.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 06-25-13 8:36 PM
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Is the roommate's air conditioner only for his bedroom? I assume? That is, if you're not benefiting from it, it's presumably not in the living room.

If he's put it the living room -- the common space -- it becomes harder to argue that you're not benefiting from it. Then it's a question of mutual consent, rather than mutual benefit.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 06-25-13 8:45 PM
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Yes, it's for his bedroom. And he certainly has his theories. Like don't I run a fan in my room. Ha ha no really.


Posted by: Calvin Coolidge | Link to this comment | 06-25-13 8:51 PM
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You don't get any passive cooling?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-25-13 8:55 PM
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You could start running a heater in his room.


Posted by: torrey pine (YK) | Link to this comment | 06-25-13 8:56 PM
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Someone talked in a thread here once about some device you can hook up to your .. devices ... in the house to measure their electrical draw. Something like that. I have no idea how much such a device would cost - maybe a simple and cheap thing, I don't recall now.

*If* the device is relatively cheap, say $25 or less, would the roommate listen to a scientific, baby, scientific test of just what drives up the electric bill?

Or is that a total non-starter in the first place?


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 06-25-13 8:58 PM
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69: Yep, one of these should work.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 06-25-13 8:59 PM
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OT: I'm not sure how I would have pictured what castrating a horse would look like, but this isn't it.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-25-13 9:00 PM
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69: LIbraries with tool libraries will often rent a Kill-a-watt. Maybe a utility or extension service?


Posted by: clew | Link to this comment | 06-25-13 10:53 PM
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Arrested guy: "What I really want is to go get the necessary education to be able to counsel youth with diabetes so that they don't make the mistakes I did."

Me: "Uh, you think it's diabetes that took you down this path?"

Arrested guy: "Well, not just diabetes, but it didn't help. You know what's totally crazy? I've seen young people with diabetes shooting up meth."

Me: "Dude, you smoke meth."

Arrested guy: "Yeah, but I don't shoot it. That's crazy."

Actual conversation while en route to jail with a 43 year old meth head who gave his 75 year old mother two black eyes as a result of repeatedly punching her in the face.

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Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 06-26-13 12:53 AM
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re: 69

We have one at home, and I think it cost about 20 - 30 quid, three or four years ago when we bought it. It monitors the whole house, though, not just a single socket.

Like:

http://www.theowl.com/products/owlmicro.php

It was very useful in discovering what things in the house use the most electricity, and what the 'baseline' usage is, with most things off.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 06-26-13 1:18 AM
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Man. I think you kind of set yourself up for hostility and hard feelings by trying to make a stand on the a/c. Next, your roommate starts timing your showers and insists the water bill be pro-rated to reflect the disparate usage. Some things are just the price of sharing rent with another person. You apparently agreed to split the cost of utilities. I dint think you can just unilaterally dictate now how those utilities may be used.


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 06-26-13 3:56 AM
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I have just successfully taken off a T-shirt in the prescribed manner. It can be done.


Posted by: Alex | Link to this comment | 06-26-13 5:15 AM
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75: I kind of agree with this in general, although it depends on how much money we're talking about. I mean, doing it your way isn't costing your roommate a dime extra over what they'd be paying if you had an a/c as well, so you're not doing anything wrong exactly by asking to break a/c out of the rest of the electric bill. But that kind of keeping track is really hard to do and keep everyone friendly.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 06-26-13 5:42 AM
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Dude, it's summer. Summer sucks. It's hot. Some people are indifferent to the heat. Some people can't get a decent night's sleep in it. Are you really going to try to fight with your roommate about how the electric should be parsed out? Sixty-forty? I am guessing you are proposing he pays 75% and you pay 25%?

Think about it this way. He is subsidized your lifestyle (and you his) because you are paying less for comparable amenities/space than you would if you lived alone. Sometimes, when you live with other people, you just have to realize that everything is not going to be 100% equal. If you went on vacation for two weeks, would you ask your roommate to pay 100% of the pro-rated utilities for that period?

It sucks to have to pay more money, but sometimes that's the price for being a decent human. Like when friends go out for a birthday dinner and you end up paying more than your fair share, but deal with it because it's your friends birthday and no one wants to be a jerk on your friend's birthday and make a big deal out of the bill.


Posted by: m. leblanc | Link to this comment | 06-26-13 8:19 AM
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The usage on the electric shows that last year it more than doubled for the summer months.

Last summer was the air conditioner just used in one room, like his apparently will be? As in, keeping the door to the room shut when the a/c is on? If not, then that's really not a fair comparison. If it was and the bill still doubled, wow. I realize air conditioners use a lot of energy, but I'm surprised by that even so. Maybe you could ask your roommate to use some draft guards? That's what we are doing.


Posted by: Cyrus | Link to this comment | 06-26-13 8:53 AM
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I don't even own a shirt.

Too late?


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 06-26-13 8:56 AM
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79: It does seem pricey. The AC for our whole house is maybe 50% of the winter electric bill. Of course, we have central AC and have a fairly well-sealed house.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-26-13 8:59 AM
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I'm right on the line with this one.

Like when friends go out for a birthday dinner and you end up paying more than your fair share, but deal with it because it's your friends birthday and no one wants to be a jerk on your friend's birthday and make a big deal out of the bill.

This is right, generally, it's so much easier to just split things down the middle and not worry about who had what. But it breaks down if it's enough money to actually matter, like if you've got a non-drinker going out a lot with heavy drinkers, and they don't have a lot of money to spend, at which point the drinkers really are taking advantage if they resist itemizing.

For complex reasons (the electricity is one of the bills Buck pays, and I just don't pay attention. Okay, that was pretty simple) I don't have a tight idea of what sort of money we're talking about here. But I'd only feel good about taking a stand if it were an amount of money that was actually significant.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 06-26-13 9:00 AM
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But it breaks down if it's enough money to actually matter, like if you've got a non-drinker going out a lot with heavy drinkers, and they don't have a lot of money to spend, at which point the drinkers really are taking advantage if they resist itemizing.

Yeh. I always offer to itemize because of my drinking.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-26-13 9:04 AM
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I'd have to say I'd hate nickel-and-diming someone over a power bill, especially because in my experience, utilities are simply split in half, not done by usage. It leads to too much little bitchery otherwise.

That said, a lone AC unit doubling the electric bill sounds off to me. Previous tenant's usage?


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 06-26-13 9:09 AM
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I think the main advantage of splitting the bill evenly is that otherwise you end up with people paying extra to cover what's missing, which also isn't fair. That said, there's really no excuse for not doing simple modifications to "split evenly." One person is vegetarian and their meal was $10 cheaper: let them pay $10 less. Some drinkers some non-drinkers: do split food evenly among everyone and drinks evenly among drinkers. It's not rocket science.


Posted by: Unfoggetarian: "Pause endlessly, then go in" (9) | Link to this comment | 06-26-13 9:11 AM
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I thought this was the standard way for men to take off t-shirts. Grip the back of the collar and lift. (Women do something a bit more complicated involving crossing their arms and lifting the hem.) I cant think of a better way to do it, frankly.

Cheered by 12. I should mention that I remove my trousers with a single pull, causing them to split down the velcro previously installed along the seams.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 06-26-13 9:12 AM
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Can't you just cut the power cord on his AC unit?


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 06-26-13 9:13 AM
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We have an evaporative cooler and our highest summer usage about matches our highest winter usage. Lowest point to highest point about doubles the usage.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 06-26-13 9:13 AM
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I also don't see how a single-room AC could be costing that much. Is his "air-conditioner" just an old inefficient refrigerator on which he leaves the door propped open to cool the room?


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 06-26-13 9:17 AM
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If so, don't let your kid play in his room.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 06-26-13 9:18 AM
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86.last: Surely some form of simple button attachment between the shirt and pants would allow you to save effort by combining the two motions into one. Or would that just look silly?


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 06-26-13 9:21 AM
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88: I've heard about those, but I can't imagine them working in Pittsburgh. Getting rid of humidity is the main reason I like the AC.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-26-13 9:23 AM
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In one of the non-sci-fi Madeleine L'Engle books (The Moon By Night) she describes an evaporative cooler that they put on top of their car, and I was always so confused as to wtf she was talking about, yet hadn't revisited that memory since Internet. And now I know. (I'd been picturing some big pan of water on top of the car, and I'd think "But it would all slosh out! It must be covered. But then how would it evaporate? It must be uncovered. Etc.")


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 06-26-13 9:32 AM
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91, 86: Dharma Initiaitive coveralls solve a host of difficult wardrobe issues.


Posted by: bill | Link to this comment | 06-26-13 9:34 AM
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As does simply wrapping oneself in a blanket as one shuffles through the subway, which has always been my favored solution.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 06-26-13 9:36 AM
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Dharma Initiaitive coveralls solve a host of difficult wardrobe issues.

"What is a speed suit? Only the perfect habilitant for the science minded man, who knows both comfort and ease and demands them from his clothing. In a speed suit you say to the world: 'Look out! I know what I'm wearing for the rest of my life!' "


Posted by: OPINIONATED DR. THADDEUS S. "RUSTY" VENTURE | Link to this comment | 06-26-13 9:38 AM
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OT: I'm not opposed to gambling, but when the state lottery sends me coupons, I wonder why they are allowed to do that. When they pay a guy to stand in the drug store and encourage people to buy tickets with those same coupons, I get a bit upset.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-26-13 9:51 AM
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It matters that Calvin established his intentions up front. He said he was deliberately not using a/c for the purpose of saving money and then he didn't use a/c. The roommate was notified that he was on his own for the cost of his a/c usage, which Calvin didn't share much.

If you started out the evening with, dudes, I'm too poor to drink and I'm not splitting with you 'cause I'm not even buying for myself, and others drank, they should pay their own bill.

Yes, I totally believe that a/c is that much of an energy hog. Also, your utility might be willing to come do an audit for free. Sometimes they have money and staff for that.


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 06-26-13 10:07 AM
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I feel the need to push back on 78: While I get the general sentiment, if one party in the household is sucking up a lot of electricity, it is simply not fair for the other party to subsidize that expense on an ongoing basis.

I live with a metal sculptor who goes through bouts of running highly power-draining welders and compressors and such. He is very aware that he's driving up the electric bill, and we compensate financially accordingly (admittedly, not by pro-rating the electric bill, but in other ways).

That said, agreed with everyone else that it's hard to see how Calvin Coolidge's electric bill doubles in the summer with just a single a/c unit in a closed room.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 06-26-13 10:12 AM
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99 before seeing 98. Thinking about it, if the heat is gas or oil, the electric bill is pretty low during the winter. What drives an electric bill? Washer/dryer, fridge, um, welders, a/c. I don't know how efficient or not fans are.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 06-26-13 10:17 AM
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From a link here, I read that a cable TV box can be $10 a month because Time Warner is actually evil.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-26-13 10:19 AM
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That is, the electricity for a cable box.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-26-13 10:20 AM
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When they pay a guy to stand in the drug store and encourage people to buy tickets with those same coupons, I get a bit upset.

That's pretty awful. Lottery advertising in general depresses the fuck out of me; I really don't think states should advertise it, period.


Posted by: x.trapnel | Link to this comment | 06-26-13 10:23 AM
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I have said this before, but I don't believe that states should conduct lotteries, and the wretched "something for nothing" message promulgated in their television commercials is but a small part of it. (A larger part: as many smarter people have observed, a lottery is a regressive tax on ignorance of mathematics and a barely-accountable source of fungible funds for the usual contemptible politicians.)


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 06-26-13 10:28 AM
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Seconding 98.last. Since getting a single-room window A/C unit last summer, our summer electricity usage has doubled. In a two-person apartment, adding a single appliance can greatly change the total bill; we saw a 30%-ish spike when I switched from an out-of-date, low-powered laptop to a energy-hog desktop.

Admittedly, our winter heating is via a shared furnance, and our stovetop is gas; these are reflected in our rent, not the electricity bill.


Posted by: dalriata | Link to this comment | 06-26-13 10:36 AM
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a lottery is a regressive tax on ignorance of mathematics

I believe the correlation between mathematical sophistication and willingness to take stupid bets is actually surprisingly low; other cognitive factors seem to drive that kind of behavior.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 06-26-13 10:38 AM
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A lottery is a tax on despair. It is totally worth it to pay a few bucks for a daydream if you are financially stuck.


Posted by: Bave | Link to this comment | 06-26-13 10:49 AM
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107 gets it exactly right.


Posted by: x.trapnel | Link to this comment | 06-26-13 10:55 AM
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105: we saw a 30%-ish spike when I switched from an out-of-date, low-powered laptop to a energy-hog desktop.

What?!? A desktop is an energy hog? I had no idea.

Maybe I need to take a look at my household's electric bill after all. Just out of curiosity, you know.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 06-26-13 10:59 AM
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107 is frustrating: I feel the same way about lotteries as I do about casinos. Is it totally worth it? (Not for me personally, no, but for the state, to sanction and promote such?)

This is one of those issues I'm truly on the fence about, along with capital punishment and a handful of other things. Though I know where I tend.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 06-26-13 11:05 AM
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My feeling is basically: if the state is going to say, "this isn't just an innocent act of capitalism among consenting adults: you can't just go and run your own lottery and casino," it can't then turn around and promote its own lottery as if there's nothing special or objectionable or problematic about gambling. Whatever reasons demand that it not be left up to the market, demand that it not simply be run as a profit-maximizing enterprise if the state does it.


Posted by: x.trapnel | Link to this comment | 06-26-13 11:28 AM
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A lottery is a tax on despair for the stupid, since the tax is optional.

There's a kind of moral luck, in that many people are not in the position where their only hope is winning the lottery, but it's still goddamn stupid to play the state lottery. In Philadelphia when I was a teenager, you got considerably better odds from an illegal bookmaker than you did from the lottery.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 06-26-13 11:36 AM
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you got considerably better odds from an illegal bookmaker than you did from the lottery

Though I suppose the risk of getting your legs broken is a bit lower playing the state lottery.


Posted by: AcademicLurker | Link to this comment | 06-26-13 11:42 AM
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Popehat! Is mentioned at memeorandum today, and I found myself thinking: Popehat! Where you been, man?

I can't remember where I know his name from, but it was like some weird blast from the past.

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Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 06-26-13 11:47 AM
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It's especially odd to compare state-run lotteries to state-run liquor stores. I don't think I can remember seeing a state liquor store advertise, but I can still sing the Lotto jingle from when I was a kid.


Posted by: ydnew | Link to this comment | 06-26-13 11:52 AM
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