Re: Breasts and the Athletes Who Deal With Them

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I think I'd need an adamantium-reinforced bra if I wanted to survive jogging right now.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 7:41 AM
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I'm not going to click through to the article in the OP right now (at work), but I'd have assumed that MMA fighters wear chest protectors? Which look like heavy duty sports bras with hard cup inserts. Some female fighters train I know in just those (with shorts or leggings) when it's hot. They are skimpy-ish, but there's no danger of a clothing malfunction.

I only officiate in Boxe française matches, but we wouldn't let someone into the ring without the proper protective gear. There's a kit check by the ring official, before they get to enter the ring, and usually a second kit check by the referee before the fight starts. And that's for amateur matches with no money involved.

So I'm a bit surprised someone could even get as far as the ring without the correct gear on.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 7:48 AM
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A UFC match was on the TV at the pizza place we had lunch two days ago. The sight of someone on the mat being punched in the face repeatedly was very unsettling.

This says male athletes wear only a groin protector and females wear only a chest protector.

The guy I saw had no head protection and was being punched in the face repeatedly while on the ground. It scared the children, and, well, me.


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 7:57 AM
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Well, the chest protectors I've seen in use would protect someone's modesty even if their top was damaged or removed. Perhaps MMA ones are different.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 8:01 AM
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I'm desperately uncharitable, but I read the quote and thought "Grete Waitz won the NYC marathon with shit running down her legs, and you're worried about flashing your tits?" Worrying about support is one thing, but when you're actually in the middle of a competition, worrying about modesty seems unserious.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 8:05 AM
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Let's not get diverted by chest protectors when there are breasts behind them to talk about, people. Don't let me down.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 8:06 AM
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Isn't UFC more entertainment and less sports? I'm not calling it theater like pro wrestling, but I'm not surprised no one's checking for protective gear.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 8:10 AM
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Sigh.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 8:12 AM
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Well, there's big money in it, and a lot of people seem to take it fairly seriously. I don't follow it myself [it's not for me], but I'd have assumed [given what I know about podunk kickboxing competitions] that they take safety gear very seriously indeed.*

* even if the purpose of the sport is, ultimately, to batter/strangle people unconscious.**
** or accumulate enough battering and strangling points in the event that no unconsciousness ensues.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 8:14 AM
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What makes something more entertainment than a sport?


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 8:16 AM
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10: Not only am I Pauline Kael, I'm also Potter Stewart. I have no idea, but I know it when I see it.

Um, possibly what I'm thinking of is that (I have the vague impression) that there's no low-level amateur competition? There's no such thing (which I actually don't know if there is or isn't) as a local, no money, UFC state championship? So athletes who developed skills in other martial arts are getting an entertainment-value-based payout in UFC, but no one's doing it just as a sport. But I'm completely making this up. I have no real idea.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 8:21 AM
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It seems a bit fortuitous for this to happen in the "first women's fight in UFC history."


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 8:24 AM
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12: OTOH, that could perfectly well explain why no one checked her for chest protectors. No routine yet.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 8:25 AM
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I am so pleased to get to do this to LB.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 8:25 AM
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Actually, I rather like breasts.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 8:26 AM
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I can see the claim that it's not a real sport the way a specific martial art is on the grounds that there's no independent practice (except that there are places that advertise MMA training specifically), but not why that would have anything to do with checking for protective gear at high-profile competitions.

One could make a similar case that comparative literature isn't (or shouldn't be!) a self-standing academic discipline, on the grounds that it should be properly practiced by scholars who've developed skills in particular literary traditions, rather than as something it even makes sense to e.g. train undergrads in.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 8:27 AM
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How's THAT for an analogy, huh?


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 8:27 AM
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re: 11

Sure there are. I know people who fight in club and amateur level MMA (and K1) competitions here in the UK. Most of them start in one martial art or another, and eventually decide to see if they are any good at MMA. There are loads of gyms teaching MMA classes to amateurs, and quite a few specialist MMA clubs. Lots of those people will never compete, they are just training in it for fun, but there's a big MMA 'scene' that doesn't just revolve around major commercial competitions.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 8:27 AM
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3: not that it's, like, the healthy kind of getting punched in the head or anything, but UFC fights get stopped due to blows to the head far, far, far before any kind of boxing match (amateur or pro) would.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 8:27 AM
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I know I never study comparative literature without making sure my groin protector is in place.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 8:28 AM
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And, of course, if you get hit hard enough to be concussed in a UFC bout, the fight will generally (not always, but almost always) be stopped, and nobody will be asking you to come back in and fight some more, so that's a lot safer than football or soccer or hockey.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 8:28 AM
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the healthy kind of getting punched in the head or anything

Say more.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 8:28 AM
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And, of course, if you get hit hard enough to be concussed in a UFC bout, the fight will generally (not always, but almost always) be stopped, and nobody will be asking you to come back in and fight some more, so that's a lot safer than football or soccer or hockey.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 8:28 AM
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21, 23: Head injury, Sifu?

14, 18: See my repeated averments that I have no idea what I'm talking about.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 8:30 AM
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there's no independent practice (except that there are places that advertise MMA training specifically)

When it started, the UFC was billed as a competition to see *which* martial arts were more effective than others. It has since (semi-organically) evolved into something of a discipline of its own, based on what works best under the unified MMA rules.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 8:36 AM
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But I'm completely making this up. I have no real idea.

If we all started saying this every time it's true, conversation would get pretty unwieldy.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 8:36 AM
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I'm trying and failing to come up with a convincing argument for how the widespread adoption of sheer blouses could solve this problem.


Posted by: knecht ruprecht | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 8:39 AM
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27: you are a failure as a consultant.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 8:42 AM
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26 to 27.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 8:42 AM
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27 to the OP, but if anyone wants to interpret it as => 26, that's cool, too.


Posted by: knecht ruprecht | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 8:43 AM
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re: 25

Yeah, with a fairly standard set of source components for the MMA discipline in most clubs, as far as I can tell. Thai boxing, Western boxing, BJJ, and wrestling, more or less. With little bits of esoterica added for flavour.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 8:44 AM
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25, 31 - My understanding -- and I'm not a huge MMA fan, so I could be off on the history here -- is basically that as well, with a hefty dose of Brazilian full-contact fighting competitions (introduced by the Gracie family) also in the DNA.


Posted by: snarkout | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 8:51 AM
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Thai boxing, Western boxing, BJJ, and wrestling

Yep. There's a sort of rock-paper-scissors logic to how they all fit together, so that while you see fighters who are more skilled in one or two of those disciplines than the others, you really don't see anybody at the upper levels any longer who hasn't trained in all of them. Or if you do, they get beaten pretty quickly.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 8:54 AM
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32: That's BJJ (Brazilian jiu jitsu).


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 8:55 AM
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Yeah, my french boxing mates who've done MMA have gone in with what are often pretty effective (even in MMA) stand-up skills, but they've had to do a ton of cross-training in BJJ and a bit of Thai to compete effectively.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 8:57 AM
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One could make a similar case that comparative literature isn't (or shouldn't be!) a self-standing academic discipline, on the grounds that it should be properly practiced by scholars who've developed skills in particular literary traditions, rather than as something it even makes sense to e.g. train undergrads in.

Your Chicago style is no match for my MLA style! Prepare to cite!


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 8:58 AM
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31, 33: my friend trained at a gym that was heavy on the Sambo (one guess who ran the gym) which I'm surprised more people don't train in, based on what he said.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 8:58 AM
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my friend trained at a gym that was heavy on the Sambo (one guess who ran the gym)

Bernard Manning?


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 8:59 AM
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[H]eavy on the Sambo

Gosh, Paula Deen is pissed.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 9:00 AM
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19: LB is Pauline Kael and Potter Stewart. I am a delicate flower.


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 9:04 AM
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re: 37

Yeah, I know people who train in it. The Cambridge frenchyboxing club does some sambo/sombo. Not for MMA as such, but as part of a more old-fashioned JKD style 'multiple arts' syllabus.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 9:07 AM
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I'm desperately uncharitable, but I read the quote and thought "Grete Waitz won the NYC marathon with shit running down her legs, and you're worried about flashing your tits?" Worrying about support is one thing, but when you're actually in the middle of a competition, worrying about modesty seems unserious.

This is totally wrong. Shit running down your legs is something that happens to tons of runners, and is not tied to gender. If anything, it amps your cred as a serious athlete. Your breast flying out is going to be the subject of animated gifs and is going to make your breast the focal point of your life for the next several years. It detracts from your cred as a serious athlete and turns you into a flying breast.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 9:08 AM
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Also, you jerks: the article isn't about her, whatsoever. I just quoted the lede. You're supposed to click through. It's about the anatomical limitations on athleticism caused by breasts, and the culture around it.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 9:10 AM
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Shit running down your legs is something that happens to tons of runners

I suddenly feel much better about the fact that I was terrible at running cross country in high school.


Posted by: MAE | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 9:11 AM
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5 occurred to me too, and I was surprised at the lack of chest protectors.

(BTW, eleven weeks post-partum is SO much better than five weeks post-partum. It's still pretty astonishing how little core strength I have.)


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 9:13 AM
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If anything, it amps your cred as a serious athlete.

I did not know that.


Posted by: AcademicLurker | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 9:14 AM
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I like how 26 and 28 work equally well as responses to each other.


Posted by: Cyrus | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 9:15 AM
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Shit running down your legs is something that happens to tons of runners

And bloggers.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 9:19 AM
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I pooped my pants once while running cross-country. But I PRed, so it was worth it.


Posted by: dz | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 9:22 AM
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34 - Right, but I'm saying there was a tradition of cross-sport full-contact fights in Brazil (briefly televised, according to Wikipedia, until a dude got his arm broken in an armbar on live TV) that the Gracies brought to the US in addition to the fighting school of BJJ. I think that was more important to the development of American-style MMAs than, say, shoot wrestling.


Posted by: snarkout | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 9:27 AM
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42 is a great point, but I wonder if that was really what Ms. Rousey was thinking about or whether it was more instinctive modesty.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 9:30 AM
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Ah, right. Vale tudo. My bad.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 9:35 AM
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51: Probably the latter, though she's not overly modest in general.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 9:40 AM
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(links in 53 aren't quite porn, but probably still NSFW)


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 9:41 AM
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Shit running down your legs is something that happens to tons of runners

I did not know that!


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 9:41 AM
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Also, heebie, I clicked through before leaving for work and the little I read was interesting. I was completely unaware, for instance, that athletes go in for breast reduction surgery or that gymnasts try to avoid developing them in the first place.

Tip top blogging as usual, h-g!


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 9:42 AM
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Thank you, neb. You doing an exemplary demonstration of the syncophantic adoration I strive for, from the larger group.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 9:45 AM
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Tip top blogging as usual, h-g!

*Ahem*, I hope heebie will remember to thank the little people in her acceptance speech.


Posted by: knecht ruprecht | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 9:46 AM
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I did forget to attribute this to Jammies! Thanks, knecht.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 9:47 AM
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55: Me either. You'd think they could have some kind of fiber-loading to go with the carb-loading. Clear the pipes the day before a run.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 9:48 AM
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Do your breasts ever interfere with your blogging output?


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 9:48 AM
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I remember hearing about the seemingly excruciatingly painful lengths to which female lugers will go to keep their breasts tamped down.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 9:51 AM
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Do your breasts ever interfere with your blogging output?

Nursing does.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 9:52 AM
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62: How could breasts interfere with spitting?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 9:54 AM
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See, Mobes, when my mouth's full...


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 9:58 AM
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Do your breasts ever interfere with your blogging output?

Nay, they facilitate it.


Posted by: knecht ruprecht | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 10:01 AM
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42: Your breast flying out is going to be the subject of animated gifs and is going to make your breast the focal point of your life for the next several years.

See Brandi Chastain for even the PG-13 version of this. I was amazed that there was any "controversy" whatsoever about that.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 10:07 AM
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Yeah, my french boxing mates who've done MMA have gone in with what are often pretty effective (even in MMA) stand-up skills

No matter how good you are at telling jokes, it's probably not going to be that effective in the ring.


Posted by: Ginger Yellow | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 10:19 AM
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The 80s, which had BOTH widespread Foxy Boxing and Female Mud Wrestling, tried to solve this problem before feminists self-defeatingly destroyed those sports.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 10:21 AM
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I'm actually surprised that breasts are as much of an athletic issue as the article suggests. I mean, gymnasts, sure, there are reasons for them to be generally skin and bones, which means minimal breasts, but for anything where being not-starved is workable, are breasts (assuming we're not talking about something a couple of standard deviations larger than average) really that much of a handicap?

I guess (a) I've never been that much of an athlete, and (b) my breasts aren't all that big, so personal experience doesn't tell me much. But mostly, if I'm wearing any reasonable kind of bra, I could run for a year and never think about it.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 10:21 AM
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My feet go "pins and needles" after four miles or so. Should I put a bra on my foot?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 10:23 AM
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This place, the Hollywood Tropicana, was a female mud-wrestling emporium that was as much a part of the 80s hair metal scene as Gazzari's or cocaine. Unfortunately it closed before I was old enough to go. Fucking stupid stupid passage of time.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 10:25 AM
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68: hey, I just flew in tonight, and boy are my arms broken!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 10:31 AM
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I'm actually surprised that breasts are as much of an athletic issue as the article suggests.

It seems like one of those things where the difference may be small in absolute numbers, but it adds up in the aggregate, and there's no other way to get that advantage. A pair of C cups is apparently a total of 2 lbs., if I remember the article correctly, so that might be only 1.5 percent of an athlete's body weight, but given that records are often measured in tenths of a second or fractions of an inch...


Posted by: Cyrus | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 10:36 AM
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70: I think it depends not only on size but also how elastic your breasts are, etc, etc.* I've always found that my breasts impede running -- while it's not the most uncomfortable thing about running to me, it certainly isn't pleasant to experience that much movement.

*And now I'm singing, 'Do your boobs hang low, do they wobble to and fro...' as this line of thought has apparently led my brain straight back to camp and 13-year-old embarrassment.


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 10:37 AM
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A pair of C cups is apparently a total of 2 lbs., if I remember the article correctly

One of the most annoying things! Not all C cups are the same size, as cup size is a matter of the difference between the under-breast measurement and the across-breast measurement. A pair of 32Cs and a pair of 40Cs are not the same volume at all.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 10:44 AM
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(And/but having a wider ribcage to distribute the latter across makes a difference in unweildiness too, of course. Also, the shape of breasts varies rather a lot.)


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 10:45 AM
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They're like snowflakes. No two alike and the ones in southern California are probably fake.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 10:46 AM
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I couldn't even find a breast protector when I wanted one for mosh swing. Mid to late 80s, I guess. The world was different before the Internet.


Posted by: clew | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 10:49 AM
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Has anyone here tried Jockey's new bra fitting?


Posted by: clew | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 10:51 AM
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Nancy Hogshead-Makar (three-time Olympics medalist): Most top swimmers with bigger breasts tend to compete in the backstroke. Don't know if she has the data on that.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 10:53 AM
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80: I have not.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 11:01 AM
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81: Because showoffs hydrodynamics.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 11:02 AM
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70: I didn't get into exercising until college in part because I thought it was something I just couldn't do given that I had a hard time finding sports bras that fit. It's been a huge* problem in my particular case (though it needn't have been had I come from a sportier family.)

*har har har


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 11:04 AM
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... gentlemenz


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 11:05 AM
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Re:72

That led me to fire up Spotify and listen to some Faster Pussycat, and similar. It stands up better than I would have expected.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 11:22 AM
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86: Russ Meyer really knew how to pick an actress.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 11:36 AM
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5, 42, 49: Grete Waitz is far from the only athlete who's had that sort of accident.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 11:56 AM
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As I recall, Uta Pippig won the Boston Marathon covered in not just diarrhea but also menstrual blood. That's clearly gendered, and yet she was widely considered a badass for it.


Posted by: F | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 12:10 PM
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Quoted from the link in 88

Jesus pooped.

This is controversial, no?


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 12:11 PM
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Is this crazy or what?

Yet for all the insular contentment Russell has always sought in his life, his play was marked by the most extraordinary intensity. If he threw up before a big game, the Celtics were sure everything would be all right. If he didn't, then Boston's coach, Red Auerbach, would tell Russell to go back to the toilet--order him to throw up.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1015865/4/


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 12:19 PM
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This is controversial, no?

Not since Nicaea, surely.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 12:53 PM
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92: Yes, I should have posted as Opinionated Valentinus.

Or maybe Opinionated Guy Who Only Remembers One Thing from Kundera Novel.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 12:57 PM
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89: she was widely considered a badass for it

Pippig won Boston three times in a row. I think that independently established her badass credentials (best time: 2:21:45).


Posted by: bill | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 2:15 PM
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That's a poor choice of compliments, there.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 2:18 PM
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My knees have been too fucked up for running for a while now, but I pooped my pants while running earlier this year. It wasn't a race, so it was definitely worth it to me to try to control the situation. I had to walk home hoping the poop stayed contained by my underwear. It did. Then when I got home my roommate started talking to me, and I didn't feel like saying, hi, I have poop in my pants I need to deal with, so I had to talk to her for a little bit before I could duck out of the conversation, throw away my underwear and clean off my poop. I have never told anyone that story until now. The end.


Posted by: Tia | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 5:53 PM
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Peeing while running I do on purpose and as a matter of course.


Posted by: Tia | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 5:53 PM
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How did it take 98 comments to get to...

TITTIES! HOORAY!!


Posted by: Kreskin | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 5:56 PM
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Grete Waitz won the NYC marathon with shit running down her legs

Grete Waitz is a maniraptoran?


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 5:57 PM
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Real women don't poop, they glisten with tan.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 6:03 PM
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If you pooped and then smeared the poop all over yourself would you get the same tan effect or does it have to like seep our through your pores or something?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 6:07 PM
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I went swimming again today. I don't think pooping would have been tolerated, but I didn't even piss in the water.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 6:09 PM
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Too bad. Makes you faster.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 6:10 PM
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Given that I've never pooped or peed while exercising, I'm going to figure that means I've never given 100%. I'm fine with that.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 6:10 PM
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98: The blog has matured.


Posted by: torrey pine | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 6:11 PM
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I had always wondered where the extra 10% in "giving 110%" came from.


Posted by: Kreskin | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 6:11 PM
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Two number 2s and six number 1s.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 6:14 PM
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I did get some kind of explosive pooping after I ran my half marathon, but that was after I'd been done for a couple of hours.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 6:15 PM
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I didn't go the full diarrhea.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 6:16 PM
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This thread is horrifying. I'm afraid I will never run again.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 6:22 PM
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Poooooooop


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 6:26 PM
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ping.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 6:27 PM
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Poooooooooooooooop


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 6:27 PM
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Has anyone here tried Jockey's new bra fitting?

I read an article about it, and I guess the idea behind it makes sense, but I found myself thinking that the different cup volumes are already available, just from various different brands. If you're fanatical about bra fit (as I became after passing a certain size), it's not that difficult to get a general idea of the fit tendencies of different brands and cup shapes of different styles of bras. Or that could be something a really good bra fitter could help with. I guess not everyone has access to that, hence the Jockey mail order Fit Kit thingie.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 6:28 PM
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Only this place could turn a thread that started with such promise (see 98) and make it all turn to poop. What's wrong with you people?


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 6:29 PM
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110: Better than never pooping again.


Posted by: Kreskin | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 6:30 PM
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115: ten years ago it would have stayed on topic. Five years ago it would have been about food. In ten years it'll eventually turn to obituaries and/or grandchildren.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 6:31 PM
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Never mind Jockey's new athletic bar; does Depends make a runner's diaper? Because apparently that is a seriously underserved market opportunity.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 6:32 PM
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bra


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"Tested by NASA!"


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 6:34 PM
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Defecatiooooooooooooooon


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 6:39 PM
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something a really good bra fitter could help with

What I lack in experience I make up for in élan.


Posted by: Kreskin | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 6:40 PM
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McGhee counsels women to engage in physical activity that puts less of a strain on their breasts. But as the breasts get bigger, the field narrows. Busty ballet dancers are transferred to hip-hop. Postpubescent gymnasts get put on the rings. Runners are instructed to play in the water instead. If all else fails: yoga.

Not even entirely true! Doing plow pose with large breasts can make breathing pretty challenging, because the breasts mash all up against your neck, chin, and mouth. You really have to focus on elongating your neck and creating space in there.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 6:41 PM
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ten years ago it would have stayed on topic had three comments, two of them by Majik Johnson.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 6:50 PM
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123: That just looks really fucking painful regardless.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 6:57 PM
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That Boston Marathon Pippig set her best time in had an insane tailwind. IYKWIM. Also, wikipedia says Pippig was nearly banned for steroids, but it turns out various factors including bowel disease were messing up the test results.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 7:01 PM
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123-whereas well endowed men... Oh look, that's actually one of the search results.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 7:08 PM
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We've discovered a truly novel form of sports thread.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 7:10 PM
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The search results in 123 have a nice balance between yoga and snow removal equipment.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 7:12 PM
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Nor wonder how I lost my Fun;
Oh! Cælia, Cælia Cælia ru----


Posted by: Cassinus | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 7:15 PM
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Uhhh ... well, I'm actually kind of relieved to know that when I do speed-walking (which is not running, but kind of like?) my poop-meter amps up.

It all makes sense, right? Your metabolism is accelerated. Right?


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 7:16 PM
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74 difference may be small in absolute numbers, but it adds up in the aggregate, and there's no other way to get that advantage.

Aggregate of only two ?

A pair of C cups is apparently a total of 2 lbs., if I remember the article correctly, so that might be only 1.5 percent of an athlete's body weight, but given that records are often measured in tenths of a second or fractions of an inch.

If only there was some protrusion to get the top front of the torso to the photo finish a moment earlier !



Posted by: Econolicious | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 7:22 PM
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121:
When you're sliding into third
And you've jut laid down a turd
Defecatiooooooooooooooon!


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 7:39 PM
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I can't believe you people have let 36 hang lifeless from the branch. Philistines.

OT: Does the Cooking Channel purposely seek out obnoxious hosts available? I want to cause harm to B/obb/y F/la/y and the twerp on "Eat St.," in particular.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 07-11-13 7:41 PM
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Suddenly, everyone was eaten by a shark.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 07-12-13 5:04 AM
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Everyone is shark poop.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-12-13 5:23 AM
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Grete Waitz won the NYC marathon with shit running down her legs

I saw this happen to Uta Pippig in Boston sometime in the late 90s. I think it was a combination of menstrual blood and diarrehea because it was bright orange. I hereby delegate Apo to find a video.


Posted by: PGD | Link to this comment | 07-12-13 6:18 AM
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"Automation turns a simple, robust plow into a highly efficient mining machine." IYTWIMAITYD.


Posted by: clew | Link to this comment | 07-12-13 10:29 AM
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Speaking of athletics, anyone else here doing deadlifts regularly? Because consider doing a double overhand grip rather than the over under grip. Because apparently a heavy load on that under hand can rip the bicep tendon off of the bone. As seen here and here. Going to an ortho surgeon this afternoon for confirmation but I'm pretty sure I did exactly this last night and googling around it appears it's more common than I realized. Fixing it is surgical re-attachment. Boo.
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Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 07-12-13 11:02 AM
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Holy crap dude, that's terrible.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 07-12-13 11:04 AM
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Ewwwww, gswift, best wishes for a quick and as-close-to-pain-free-as-possible recovery.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 07-12-13 11:05 AM
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There's no way I'm going to watch those videos. Hope your healing goes well.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-12-13 11:06 AM
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Heh, my wife was with me at the gym and she was pretty severely grossed out, once she got over the shock of me turning snow white and clutching my arm for a couple minutes after I dropped the bar. Surprisingly little pain after the initial incident. It's a tad tender and you can see one bicep is shorter than the other. At least it's my left, so not as big a pain in the ass as it could be.


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 07-12-13 11:09 AM
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Did you poop?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-12-13 11:10 AM
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Everybody poops.


Posted by: vw | Link to this comment | 07-12-13 11:15 AM
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I hope you heal quickly, gswift.


Posted by: vw | Link to this comment | 07-12-13 11:16 AM
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No pooping. Possibly some non family rec center profanity when I looked down at my arm and noticed that big new gap between my elbow and bicep.


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 07-12-13 11:18 AM
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That's awful, gswift. How long is the expected recovery? One more piece of evidence in favor of my policy of not lifting heavy things.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 07-12-13 11:19 AM
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Probably going to be on desk duty for two or three months. Gets me out of the horrendous kevlar in the summer heat but boring as hell.


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 07-12-13 11:20 AM
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Well, then we'll see you here!


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 07-12-13 11:21 AM
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Word. Could be worse. From what I've read on ortho sites and powerlifters who've done it full recovery is typical and re-occurrence is rare.


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 07-12-13 11:23 AM
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Re-occurrence is rare because it heals well or because after it happens you never want to lift anything?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-12-13 11:24 AM
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Probably rare because they apparently re-attach the tendon with a piece of metal. That guy in the first vid posted a follow up a year later and says he's back to deadlifting and doing more than he was when he got injured, but is doing double overhand grip now and using straps on the big weights.


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 07-12-13 11:27 AM
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You're so gross! Feel better soon.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 07-12-13 11:37 AM
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Jeez. gswift, that sucks. A little beyond my usual "Just get some rest, maybe throw some ice at it from the couch in front of the TV" advice.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 07-12-13 11:41 AM
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Geez, gswift. Way to go non-compostable. (Family joke, possibly a bit PNWish. ) May your recovery be swift and complete.


Posted by: clew | Link to this comment | 07-12-13 11:43 AM
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Wow. Hope the doctor's visit goes well!


Posted by: J, Robot | Link to this comment | 07-12-13 11:54 AM
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Oh my god that's awful. Best of luck with the recovery. This will be my new excuse for not doing upper-body exercise.


Posted by: x.trapnel | Link to this comment | 07-12-13 11:58 AM
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156: Your family isn't the only one that appreciates the need to get rid of potentially-identifying implants before disposing of the body after it murders somebody.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-12-13 12:00 PM
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once she got over the shock of me turning snow white

I've seen pictures of you. How could she tell?

(Seriously though, sorry to hear it! On the plus side, it's a pretty common injury among professional bull riders, and it doesn't seem to keep many of them out of action for too long.)


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 07-12-13 12:15 PM
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Good luck with the surgery, Gswift.


Posted by: togolosh | Link to this comment | 07-12-13 12:15 PM
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Ouch! (I, uh, had no idea that could happen but no more alternating grip for me!) Hope the doctor has encouraging news for you.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 07-12-13 1:14 PM
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Yow. A friend's father once snapped an achilles tendon while playing tennis, and that was my prior measure of horrible things that could happen to your tendons. But now I know it can happen to your biceps as well. I'll be trying to think about anything else now.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 07-12-13 1:20 PM
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The brain is the biggest tendon in the body.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07-12-13 1:27 PM
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It's my second favorite organ.


Posted by: Opinionated Miles Monroe | Link to this comment | 07-12-13 1:37 PM
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Ouch, and I hope your surgeon is most skilled. And not a total jerk.


Posted by: ydnew | Link to this comment | 07-12-13 1:40 PM
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164: I snapped mine doing head lifts.


Posted by: togolosh | Link to this comment | 07-12-13 1:50 PM
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Eeek. Sometimes I try to think of my body as just equipment, but... the failure modes always get to me.


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re: 163

One of my former club-mates snapped his achilles in a competition bout. I was cornering him at the time, too. Oddly, it was very undramatic. He had some sort of twinge of pain as he was moving and in between rounds he complained that his ankle felt a bit odd. I asked if he wanted to go on, he said he was fine, he thought he'd just twisted it slightly or something. After a minute more he couldn't continue. Afterwards he was stretching and trying to work out why his ankle felt odd. It was only later he realised he'd snapped his achilles.

It wasn't a dramatic painful event in the moment, although it took him a few months to recover. It might be he's particularly stoic, or maybe it snapped in a particular way that doesn't lead to explosive pain.

I've seen another club mate snap or tear a knee ligament, too. Sort of his own fault. He kept stepping on his opponent's lead foot [against the rules, and a bit of a dirty move] and eventually his opponent pulled his foot to one side suddenly causing him to lose his balance. Knee ligament went. Again, at the time he thought it was just a slight strain, it was only after he realised he'd torn it.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 07-13-13 3:13 AM
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There was a terrifying World Wrestling Federation match in the late '90s where one wrestler* visibly snapped a ligament attaching his quadriceps muscle to his knee (the hypertrophied muscle accordioned under the skin like a falling-down stocking) and finished the match, foreign object and all.

* OK, OK, it was Triple H, the Cerebral Assassin. Are you happy now?


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 07-13-13 6:12 AM
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Get out all your injury stories here, folks, for I am not clicking on this thread anymore.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 07-13-13 6:13 AM
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Me neither.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 07-13-13 6:17 AM
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I picked off a hang nail and there was a little blood.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-13-13 7:20 AM
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Hey, look at my leg!


Posted by: Kevin Ware | Link to this comment | 07-13-13 7:42 AM
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I, uh, had no idea that could happen but no more alternating grip for me!

I didn't either and I'm kind of pissed at myself in a way for not knowing. I've been doing these lifts for like ten years.

snapped an achilles tendon while playing tennis, and that was my prior measure of horrible things that could happen to your tendons

This sucks but I think the Achilles sounds way worse. At least I've got my mobility and will still be able to do a lot of things like leg work while I'm rehabbing it.

It might be he's particularly stoic, or maybe it snapped in a particular way that doesn't lead to explosive pain.

I wish mine had gone that way. There was horrendously painful ripping spasming stuff going on around my elbow. I dropped the bar and sat down and just kind of sat there for a minute while I had the shakes and sweated like crazy and the worst of it passed pretty quick. But then I looked at it and saw the big gap where the lower part of my bicep usually is and knew it was doctor time.


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 07-13-13 8:37 AM
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We had someone fighting for the first time a few weeks back who broke his ankle in a match, too. He thought he'd just strained it. It sounds horrifically violent but in none of these cases did the injury come from any contact by their opponent [it's controlled contact anyway, rather than full contact]. Both the ankle break and the achilles happened while the person was standing a good 6 ft away from their opponent, and was purely because they stepped or twisted awkwardly.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 07-13-13 8:47 AM
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So Terrible...


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