Re: Dzhokhar made it!

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The people getting worked up about this are exactly the ones who need to carefully read the story.


Posted by: togolosh | Link to this comment | 07-20-13 6:19 AM
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The main grocery store in Texas is called Heb?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-20-13 6:25 AM
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I think the cover is great. And the Dzhokhar fanfic scene is fascinating and creepy and understandable.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07-20-13 6:28 AM
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Named for its founder, Howard E Butt.


Posted by: ydnew | Link to this comment | 07-20-13 6:28 AM
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Sav More Butts.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-20-13 6:29 AM
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They have a corporate training philosophy that's the envy of grocery store chains across the country. They call it "HEBbian Learning".


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07-20-13 6:30 AM
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Also historically known as H. E. Butts.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 07-20-13 6:31 AM
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At least he wasn't Howard Ernest Edwin Butts.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-20-13 6:34 AM
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I assume what people are reacting to is that they've chosen a photo that makes him look, well...like he's on the cover of Rolling Stone. And apparently it was also a photo used in the New York Times but I have to say, on an emotional level, I totally get their objection.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 07-20-13 6:45 AM
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Most people say h-e-b but some people do indeed pronounce it "heeb".

Also, they have a related upmarket chain (kind of competes for the Whole Foods demographic) called Central Market. Some clever wags call it Chichi B.


Posted by: M/tch M/lls | Link to this comment | 07-20-13 6:47 AM
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I don't get the reaction. I mean, I get it inasmuch I've seen it before and know to expect it, but it's a dumb reaction. In short, endorse 1 and 3.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 07-20-13 6:50 AM
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I think the cover slightly increases the chance of future terrorist attacks, enough so that given the choice between cover and article vs. no cover and article, I would choose no cover and article.

However, the story itself was quite interesting.


Posted by: dz | Link to this comment | 07-20-13 6:51 AM
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Christ. It's understandable, in that processes involving one brain cell are understandable. Per SEK, it's the impulse to object to anything that could possibly portray The Enemy in a positive light, no matter how much you have to ignore to see it like that. And the impulse to be offended for political reasons.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 07-20-13 6:53 AM
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Relatedly, anyone want to bet on the number of suicides caused by the book "The Virgin Suicides"?


Posted by: dz | Link to this comment | 07-20-13 6:53 AM
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I think the cover slightly increases the chance of future terrorist attacks

How does that work? Is that like saying putting dreamy OD'd addict Corey Monteith on the cover of People will make the kids want to shoot up? Stupid heroin addicts should be uglier.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 07-20-13 6:55 AM
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I think the stereotyping of terrorists as ugly, evil other is basically harmful (don't like music! Wear weird clothes! Live in caves!) insofar as it elides the real dynamics that lead people to extremism. If he was Leila Khaled or something, trying to make terrorism seem glamorous, then that'd be one thing, but it seems for all the world like he took the life embodied in that picture -- the one that people figure will lead to a rolling stone cover, or at least a reality show, or at lesat getting laid a lot -- and so explicitly and abruptly threw it away is what's interesting and important. He wasn't just an ordinary kid; he was kind of an aspirationally awesome kid for other kids his age. That's the story, and the cover reflects it extremely well.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07-20-13 6:58 AM
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16 is very well said.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 07-20-13 6:59 AM
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Colbert is on it. Although the best recent Colbert is him highlighting Lindsay Graham being even more of an idiot than usual.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 07-20-13 7:00 AM
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Conservatives just get pissy when liberals have a chance to indulge in their own impotent attraction to violence.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 07-20-13 7:03 AM
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This story is extremely weird. Some cop is maybe going to lose his job for leaking capture photos. "Murphy leaked the photos because he was angry over the depiction of Tsarnaev on the cover of Rolling Stone magazine, calling it an "insult to any person who has ever worn a uniform of any color." I don't understand how that works as a response anyway. I see those pictures and I see a bloodied and injured kid, which doesn't exactly amp up the hate.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 07-20-13 7:04 AM
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your laws, institutions, and your false god are but a dim rememoring of a cursed past in which man was wolf to man. . . .


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 07-20-13 7:04 AM
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20: right. "Oh yeah, but also he was the subject of a giant manhunt" does not have the force that guy maybe thinks it does? Also, that adidas sweatshirt he wore was pretty dope.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07-20-13 7:07 AM
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I remember when the Mumbai massacre was happening, a picture of a crazy and bloody terrorist wearing a shirt that said VERS was released. What is this VERS?! What does it mean??? Um, people, the shirt says VERSACE.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 07-20-13 7:14 AM
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Yep. 16 nails it.


Posted by: Di Kotimy | Link to this comment | 07-20-13 7:15 AM
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It wouldn't surprise me if FBI agents who've infiltrated wannabe cells use the cover as further incentive to get the cell to move to the next level. 'We're not getting on the cover of the Rolling Stone until we get more serious about the mission. Now, shall we go steal that fertilizer tomorrow or not?'


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 07-20-13 8:03 AM
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Like the blow that'll getcha
When you get your picture
On the cover of the Rollin' Stone


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 07-20-13 8:10 AM
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The problem was that he was Caucasian, instead of Caucasian.


Posted by: Britta | Link to this comment | 07-20-13 8:16 AM
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I don't see what the problem is because when your name starts with "dzh" the everybody is going to assume "evil" regardless of Tiger Beat looks.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-20-13 8:30 AM
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Everything about this column was amazing:
http://townhall.com/columnists/michellemalkin/2013/07/12/americas-sociopath-fetish-n1639023


Posted by: Criminally Bulgur | Link to this comment | 07-20-13 9:00 AM
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15: Terrorism and some other kinds of violence are done to get a kind of attention. So any reporting on them increases the expected payoff, and putting the bomber's face on the cover of Rolling Stone increases it by a lot.

Also, social proof and the availability heuristic means that terrorism and other kinds of violence are more plausible choices if you often hear about a lot of other people doing it.


Posted by: Benquo | Link to this comment | 07-20-13 9:21 AM
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And here I thought it was the effectiveness of the terror that inspired. Or that terrorists want to cause terror.

Terrorism and suicide: both done by attention seekers.


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 07-20-13 9:30 AM
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31: Obviously it's some specific kind of attention - but if people don't know about it they can't be terrified by it, and they can't be inspired by the example.


Posted by: Benquo | Link to this comment | 07-20-13 9:36 AM
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It's always going to depend on the mission.

These kids seem not to have been looking for attention to themselves, but just interested in inflicting pain. Maybe there was going to be a big reveal after the next strike, but we'll never know.

A guy who drives a truck bomb into a foreign embassy has other things on his mind than magazine covers. There's no chance that the foreign government is going to be unaware of the explosion, so the PR strategy is about convincing that government (or its citizens) that their policy is failing on cost-benefit terms. Here again, I wouldn't think that a magazine cover does much to move the ball downfield.

Magazine covers may well matter to the losers who shoot up schools. I don't think we know enough to be able to say that the profile of a shoe bomber or an underwear bomber, or the like, is sufficiently like the loser school shooter that there's really a terrorism effect.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 07-20-13 9:50 AM
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Too bad "bombshell" is used for good looking women only, 'cause how appropriate would THAT be?. Also, that caption is bullshit. Come on, "The Bomber"? How about, "Dzhokhar, stone cold killer, stone cold fox."


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 07-20-13 9:59 AM
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"Dzhokhar, his sweater is the bomb."


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 07-20-13 10:00 AM
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"Dzhokhar, this time be blown away by his looks."


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 07-20-13 10:00 AM
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"Blowing Up the Runway: Dzhokhar Tsarnaev's Killer New Look"


Posted by: snarkout | Link to this comment | 07-20-13 10:02 AM
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33: I agree that foreign attacks against military or government targets are not much affected by domestic press coverage (though I'm not sure those are really "terrorism" in the sense of the kid from Boston), but OTOH it's reasonably likely that cover stories encourage domestic terrorists with a manifesto or agenda they want to publicize, like the famous person whose name I will not repeat, or generally disturbed fame-seekers

People who do regrettable things in schools are probably affected by the availability of examples to emulate, whether or not there's a glamorizing cover photo.


Posted by: Benquo | Link to this comment | 07-20-13 10:02 AM
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The Rolling Stone cover incites thought crime: We must never see accurate portrayals of people if they conflict with the party line, because then we'll start to think about, you know, stuff.

The idea that we can make stuff go away by ignoring it is very human, and it's even got a certain truth to it. But there's a cost associated with making ourselves stupid, too.


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 07-20-13 10:09 AM
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But the conservative impulse and the reactionary impulse do not, with some isolated and some ecclesiastical exceptions, express themselves in ideas but only in action or in irritable mental gestures which seek to resemble ideas.


Posted by: OPINIONATED LIONEL TRILLING | Link to this comment | 07-20-13 10:59 AM
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30, 32: Of course one magazine cover trumps a whole nation and its government running around like Chicken Littles for the past 10+ years.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 07-20-13 11:16 AM
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Part of what created the problem here, I think, is the difference between hard-copy magazines and images online. Online, images are separated from their context and exact look - people see them at various levels of quality, depending on their device, or connection, or whatever. So people see this as just an image being distributed. When I saw an actual physical copy of the issue, the image had a very different feel. It's a little grainy, and clearly self-shot, not posed - it doesn't actually look like a Rolling Stone glamour shot. But that level of detail doesn't come through when people are seeing it as an image passed around the internet.


Posted by: freight train | Link to this comment | 07-20-13 1:00 PM
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Actually, I just saw it earlier this afternoon, and I think it looks about the same.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 07-20-13 6:16 PM
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Well, yeah, it's the same picture. Still, to me, the hard-copy cover looks very different from a normal Rolling Stone cover shot in a way that's not clear online. But apparently not to you. I guess that's what makes horse racing.


Posted by: freight train | Link to this comment | 07-20-13 6:27 PM
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I thought horses racing made that.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 07-20-13 7:17 PM
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Had never heard that expression either. Google says that we have differences of opinion to thank for both horse racing and missionaries.


Posted by: Kreskin | Link to this comment | 07-20-13 7:21 PM
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45: You fool! That's what the media want you to think!

46: I'm actually not even sure I'm using that expression right - a college girlfriend used to say it, a million years ago, and I picked it up from her, and used to drive her crazy misusing it all the time.


Posted by: freight train | Link to this comment | 07-20-13 7:30 PM
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Her use and your misuse making, presumably, horse racing.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07-20-13 7:33 PM
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