Re: This One's For You, Knecht

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Oh, Christ.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 09-11-13 8:16 PM
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Clans of the Alphane Moon now!


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 09-11-13 8:24 PM
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I support this. Because I'm a feminist.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 09-11-13 9:29 PM
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I will now wave my hands in the air.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 09-11-13 9:30 PM
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Heh. "Support."


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 09-11-13 9:48 PM
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The Fug Girls have their work cut out for them.


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 09-11-13 9:50 PM
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This will end in tears. I only hope it's the stupid designers who weep.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 09-12-13 12:43 AM
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Wait, spring fashion shows? Is alameida in Australia now?


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 09-12-13 1:33 AM
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this look can be doctored so as to be hott without being exhibitionist by means of a thin, nude camisole (the color shut up!) or a lace bandeau (really more like a bandage, but 8 inches wide and elasticized). I even do this, in part because it is one trillion degrees in my store, but it is only a look for my fellow small-tittied sisters. other women can do a fabulous cleavage thing; as we know, each fruit is wonderful. my stepfather always used to say "more than a handful is a waste."


Posted by: alameida | Link to this comment | 09-12-13 1:34 AM
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LOL AWKWARD


Posted by: alameida | Link to this comment | 09-12-13 1:35 AM
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ajay, no, fashion is always devouring itself, ouroboros-style, in that one must have the original ideas and haute couture ready to go for next spring by fall, because the real ones take ages to produce (or merely used to take ages) and so that women will know what to aim for, and so that H&M can start paying bangladeshis horrible wages to produces knock-offs. and truly fashionable people are then seen freezing their asses, or, in this case, tits, off in the middle of winter, getting pre-dressed in advance of spring's arrival. likewise there are shows with masses of embroidered wool coats and furs in april or something.


Posted by: alameida | Link to this comment | 09-12-13 1:41 AM
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Ah, that makes sense, of course. And in Narnia you can wear whatever you like, because it is Never Winter and Always Christmas, at least in the sense that Christmas = Frenzied Shopping Season.

Hope the store is doing well by the way...


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 09-12-13 3:08 AM
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2: Where does Clans of the Alphane Moon come into it?


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 09-12-13 3:47 AM
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Hasn't this kind of thing happened before in fashion shows? And hasn't it not filtered down into the mass public? I think I'm just going to have to be satisfied with the short-shorts and yoga pants thing.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-12-13 5:29 AM
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more than a handful

I have a hard time finding big enouigh gloves in the winter, IYKWIM.


Posted by: lw | Link to this comment | 09-12-13 5:52 AM
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Maybe you should tie them together on a string running up your jacket sleeves, IYKWIM.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 09-12-13 5:59 AM
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And hasn't it not filtered down into the mass public?

Well maybe in enlightened translucent Europe it will.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 09-12-13 6:02 AM
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There really is a God!


Posted by: knecht ruprecht | Link to this comment | 09-12-13 6:14 AM
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Well maybe in enlightened translucent Europe it will.

Maybe in enlightened translucent Mediterranean regions, but round here you'd freeze your tits off, as the saying goes.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 09-12-13 6:15 AM
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You just need a fabric that is translucent and insulating at the same time.

2014 is the Summer of Bubble-Wrap, according to the latest designs from Ajay et Cie!


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 09-12-13 6:18 AM
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Zoltan!


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-12-13 6:20 AM
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You could vary the size of the bubbles depending on how revealing you want the clothing to be. Like pixellation in real life. Or just fill some of the bubbles with an opaque liquid.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 09-12-13 6:21 AM
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translucent and insulating at the same time

Like weatherproofing your windows.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 09-12-13 6:21 AM
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Theoretically, two translucent layers enclosing a liquid of high thermal capacity would do the trick. You just microwave your camisole before you leave the house and it's warm for the rest of the day. Like one of those re-usable handwarmer thingies.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 09-12-13 6:23 AM
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but it is only a look for my fellow small-tittied sisters.

And so are many runway fashions, alas! But if the dresses of Joan on Mad Men are ever back in style....


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 09-12-13 6:25 AM
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So, now I'm not at all thinking of Joan from Mad Men in one of the shirts from the OP. Not all at.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-12-13 6:31 AM
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only a look for my fellow small-tittied sisters

I DISSENT.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 09-12-13 6:32 AM
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Maybe in enlightened translucent Mediterranean regions, but round here you'd freeze your tits off, as the saying goes.

And yet, I feel like I see more underclothed English girls (I think I do mean girls; I'm talking the teen to early twenties bracket) year round than I ever did in California. (I walk to and from work against the foot traffic to the local college. I knew I was getting old when I found myself wanting to yell "SHEER TIGHTS PLUS SHORTS IS NOT AN APPROPRIATE OUTFIT FOR WINTER!!!!") (Also, also, way more men with their shirts off in public streets once it gets above freezing.)


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 09-12-13 6:42 AM
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Translucent shirts warn

Seems more like an advertisement than a warning.


Posted by: MAE | Link to this comment | 09-12-13 6:43 AM
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28. Sure, the youngsters underdress as a matter of pride. If they could get away with it they'd wear nothing but a handbag to dance around. The lads and lasses won't wear a coat when there's snow on the ground. But I didn't get the idea that this stuff was aimed at teenagers.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 09-12-13 6:56 AM
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30: I think it does trickle down, and most of the people wearing high-fashion knock offs are young.

You're quite right about the point of pride thing, and that it's a separate issue from high fashion sheer shirts. It's just one that leaves me gobsmacked and wanting to run around putting coats on everyone.


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 09-12-13 7:00 AM
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If you weren't looking at what the kids were wearing, you could dodge the gobs.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-12-13 7:01 AM
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13: Braless fashion plus nipple dilation surgeries.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 09-12-13 7:01 AM
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Parenthetical is clearly living in Newcastle.

(gobsmacked, incidentally, means smacked in the gob, not smacked by a gob.)


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 09-12-13 7:04 AM
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33: Weird, I don't remember either of those things.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 09-12-13 7:05 AM
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Can you be gob2smacked if you get hit in the gob by a gob?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-12-13 7:06 AM
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12: thanks ajay! astoundingly the TV people have come back again with a different producer, I can't remember if I told you? no. we never thought they would speak to us again after we yanked the rug out from under them so hard last time. we cost them over 100K easily..we shall see. this would possibly be a way to recoup their loss, ish. easier shoot schedule, paying us actual money, paying our actual employees genuine wages while we're not there. um? you all may have a chance to see me honey boo boo the place up after all. except not, they've agreed to let it be more pickers-eque and not require us to get into contrived catfights.


Posted by: alameida | Link to this comment | 09-12-13 7:07 AM
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34. Could equally be in Manchester, Leeds or Sheffield, not to mention Doncaster. But in fact I think she's in sunny Oxon or Warks.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 09-12-13 7:16 AM
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Excellent! Glad to hear that. (I have no idea what Honey Boo Boo and Pickers are but the impression is generally positive.)

and not require us to get into contrived catfights.

Save that (and the translucent shirts) for the pay-per-view.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 09-12-13 7:18 AM
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37: OH YOU HAD BETTER NOT DISRESPECT ME! [throws wine]

Am I doing this right?


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 09-12-13 7:22 AM
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Scanty dress is everywhere. You see kids in London wearing a hybrid of that and Islamic dress, too.

So, short shorts, crop top. Headscarf/cowl.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 09-12-13 7:35 AM
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short shorts, crop top. Headscarf/cowl

Allahu Akbar!


Posted by: MAE | Link to this comment | 09-12-13 7:39 AM
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Heh.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-12-13 7:41 AM
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Not so much "business in the front, party in the rear" as "halal on the top, kufr down below".


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 09-12-13 7:41 AM
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Weird, I don't remember either of those things.

You don't remember the nipple dilation surgery? That's one of my favorite weird PKD-future details.

IIRC he also went out of his way to make one of his female characters not follow this trend, as near as I can tell because he was enjoying thinking of her as uber hot, but couldn't get himself worked up over the weird future look he had dreamed up.


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 09-12-13 8:11 AM
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Clans of the Alphane Moon was also one of the ones where it was clear that Dick was not rewriting or editing at all. If he wrote himself into a corner, he wrote himself out, rather than going back and changing the plot points that got him in that place to begin with.

At one point he kills off a character that he was clearly enjoying writing, and then has to bring him back with some twist of logic, because for whatever reason, he was completely unwilling to rewrite the previous chapters. (Again, IIRC)


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 09-12-13 8:19 AM
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I've seen a woman in hijab and a see through blouse, but she was wearing a bra, FWIW.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 09-12-13 8:28 AM
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The obvious end point of this trend: sheer burqas.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 09-12-13 8:34 AM
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My favourite hijab fashion thing, was I used to see a girl regularly who passed my bus stop in Ealing.

Italian scooter [Lambretta/Vespa]
Fish-tail parka and other period-correct mod accoutrements
Open face classic looking helmet [this sort of style: http://freshbump.com/graphics/image_files/post_heritage-helmets-not-only-for-lambretta-lovers.jpg ]
Hijab



Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 09-12-13 8:40 AM
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She looked really cool. I was just curious about the process an early 20 something west London Pakistani/Bangladeshi girl would go through to dress/drive in classic 60s/70s-revival mod style.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 09-12-13 8:42 AM
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This is a good article, but the youthful 1946 photo makes her look like Kuato.

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Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 09-12-13 8:44 AM
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This discussion is taking me back to 60's sitcom days (not really).

Barbara Eden reprises the outfit onstage earlier this year with Bill Clinton.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 09-12-13 8:55 AM
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51 is good.


Posted by: x. Trapnel | Link to this comment | 09-12-13 8:59 AM
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Women are under pressure to wear some sort of hijab on their heads, but not under any pressure to actually dress modestly? I've never seen that in this country.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 09-12-13 9:03 AM
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Last week or so, I saw a woman with skin-tight clothing and a hijab. First time I'd ever seen that.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-12-13 9:07 AM
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Hijab isn't always about modesty - sometimes it's just about showing what group you belong to.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 09-12-13 9:12 AM
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Go Team Muslim-nipples.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-12-13 9:14 AM
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I was just curious about the process an early 20 something west London Pakistani/Bangladeshi girl would go through to dress/drive in classic 60s/70s-revival mod style.

Don't miss Afshan Azad in AN EDUCATION 2: THE NEW GENERATION


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 09-12-13 9:18 AM
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I may be wrong, but I believe that one of the few explicit directives on women's dress in the Quran (as opposed to various ethnic traditions which are passed off as Islamic) says that breasts should be covered in public. Anybody correct me?


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 09-12-13 9:19 AM
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But they are covered! With a wonderfully fashionable see-through blouse!


Posted by: MAE | Link to this comment | 09-12-13 9:25 AM
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"halal on the top, kufr down below"

Kufr bi-lâ kafr.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 09-12-13 9:31 AM
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kufr is "unbelief", isn't it? Kafr is unbeliever.

Actually the parallel would be better if it was "halal on the top, haram down below".


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 09-12-13 9:36 AM
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re: 54 / 56

In the case of the short shorts and the hijab that's clearly it, yeah. Identifying as a proud member of a particular community, or whatever, but choosing to wear whatever you damn please. I don't think anyone is being co-erced to wear anything in that case.

The skin-tight clothing thing, is a bit more about people wanting to have their cake and eat it, I think. One of my wife's colleagues technically dressed very modestly. Covered from ankles to wrists, and with a head scarf. But her clothing was closer to a Marvel superhero costume than a shalwar kameez. Lots of very tight stretchy fabric. So, letter-of-the-law modest, but look-how-great-I-look in actual effect.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 09-12-13 9:37 AM
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That sounds like a sandwich where somebody put the bacon below the lettuce.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-12-13 9:38 AM
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65 to 63.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-12-13 9:39 AM
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Diving in Malaysia many years ago, I noticed a class of Muslim women being taught how to dive. In full robes and headscarf with BCD, tank, weights and mask over the top. Underwater this looked remarkably good, like some sort of large jellyfish or sea horse, though it clearly got in their way and slowed them down massively.
Above water? Wet hijab contest FTW.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 09-12-13 9:46 AM
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Kafr is kind of a gerund meaning "covering." The concepts are related; kufr -unbelief being the covering over and concealing of the deity's existence (and his bestowal of existence). It's tied to shukr, gratitude. An unbeliever is a kâfir, that would be the active participle* form. Sorry, It's a bad pun made worse by explanation.

*I initially wrote partiple, too much nipple on the brain.

Before Islam, Arab and especially Hijazi women would frequently cheer their menfolk on in battle by going bare breasted.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 09-12-13 9:48 AM
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"halal on the top, haram down below"

There is a whole genre of porn that fits this description. It seems to originate mostly in France. That it is typically tagged with the pejorative "beurette" suggests that it is intended primarily for viewing by non-Muslims.


Posted by: Boutros Boutros-Ghali | Link to this comment | 09-12-13 9:53 AM
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too much nipple on the brain.

Now there's a biological oddity.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 09-12-13 9:53 AM
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too much nipple on the brain

Now there's a biological oddity.

I have no doubt that Rule 34 applies here.


Posted by: MAE | Link to this comment | 09-12-13 10:06 AM
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68.last Like Femen of the Yemen.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 09-12-13 10:19 AM
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59: Looks right according to this. There are other directives that aren't as explicit, about "ornaments".

(Also, "they should not strike their feet in order to draw attention to their hidden ornaments" - is this about jiggling?)


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 09-12-13 10:28 AM
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73.2. I'd guess it means ankle bling, which would jingle if you jumped around. I don't think either the angel or the prophet had the sort of dirty minds we take for granted these days.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 09-12-13 11:00 AM
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Even these days, lots of people are really oblivious. A drug store down the street has a sign on their door reading: "Wanted: Overnight Associates."


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-12-13 11:02 AM
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A couple years ago I saw a girl on the subway wearing tight short shorts, a midriff baring tank and a hijab. More on topic I saw a woman wearing sheer yoga pants and no panties this past spring (sitting on the subway, look up from book and there's a landing strip a foot or so away from my face). Summer going out wear has always been revealing and there have always been some women who push the envelope a bit. I rather doubt that sheer tops with no bras are going to become a common thing.


Posted by: teraz kurwa my | Link to this comment | 09-12-13 11:20 AM
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In venice I saw a lady in a leopard print chador riding in a gondola. She went perfectly with all the gilding and red velvet on the boat.


Posted by: mcmc | Link to this comment | 09-12-13 11:46 AM
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I feel like Ogged could give some good observations about the hot chick in skintight clothes and hijab look, which seems to be pretty common among Persians based on looking around Beverly Hills.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 09-12-13 11:56 AM
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Iranians, Halford.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 09-12-13 12:02 PM
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Mexicans, neb.


Posted by: MAE | Link to this comment | 09-12-13 12:05 PM
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I saw a woman wearing sheer yoga pants and no panties this past spring

Hmmm, that would have been right around the time of the Lululemon see-through yoga pants controversy. So maybe it was inadvertent. I mean, the no panties part was presumably intentional, but I'm given to understand that's pretty commonplace with yoga enthusiasts for reasons unrelated to overt exhibitionism.


Posted by: knecht ruprecht | Link to this comment | 09-12-13 12:08 PM
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81: Sure there was a fuss, but what was the controversy?


Posted by: Benquo | Link to this comment | 09-12-13 12:58 PM
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76: You shouldn't have been sitting while a lady stood, player. And don't get me started on reading! That's for Communists.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 09-12-13 1:16 PM
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Sure there was a fuss, but what was the controversy?

"Controversy" s/b "contretemps".


Posted by: knecht ruprecht | Link to this comment | 09-12-13 1:19 PM
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what was the controversy?

You know, bug vs. feature.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 09-12-13 1:21 PM
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here in narnia and in malaysia there are quite a few women who go for skintight 7 for all mankind jeans (ok kinda played out even here, but good jeans, maybe acne or adriano goldschmidt) tightest turtleneck stretch knit thing of all time, headscarf pinned to maximum tightness, so, yeah, superhero costume.

you can pin the headscarf lots of ways and I'm not actually super-clear on the variants although I can tell the old lady way (one brooch right under the chin, and two more in a straight line underneath, the rest tents outwards). the old lady way also involves having a knitted cap on underneath, that holds back any stray hairs at the forehead and creates a little lip for the scarf when viewed in profile; I don't really understand why all of SE asia's muslims haven't died of heat stroke. the workers cleaning hawker centres are invariably these older traditionally garbed women. I am not exaggerating when I say that I would pass out if asked to do that much physical labor in a huge, un-airconditioned warehouse space open at the sides but full of flaming wok burners. having seen the caps, they are polyester. I'm not sure whether that's better or worse than wool, almost worse, I think.


Posted by: alameida | Link to this comment | 09-12-13 7:59 PM
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I can't imagine wearing a knit cap until it gets below 40 degrees regular. I don't even know how the more strident Jews manage the black sports coat/beard thing in a Pittsburgh summer.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-12-13 8:04 PM
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They have a hat, of course, but the hat's shade factor may offset the head warming part of it.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-12-13 8:05 PM
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It'll be interesting to see what this lass wears for each part of her event. It'll have to be tighter than some of the purists would like, I feel.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 09-13-13 5:53 AM
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Oh, Jezebel, bless their little hearts.

Sheer tops! Wow! It's not like those haven't been around for twenty fucking years at least! Sooo out there! Shocking!


Posted by: Lord Castock | Link to this comment | 09-13-13 4:40 PM
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Parity.


Posted by: clew | Link to this comment | 09-15-13 9:24 PM
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