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You can't fathom? I ran six miles once and was so pleased with myself I posted it to Facebook.


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 1:06 PM
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Six miles is a lot! I can probably count the times I've run more than five miles on one hand.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 1:07 PM
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I've run six miles maybe a dozen times, but you don't see me bragging about it.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 1:08 PM
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For what I'm sure are unrelated reasons, I have tendon problems that haven't gone away in over a year.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 1:09 PM
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Or rather, they go away but always come back when I try to run more than four miles.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 1:11 PM
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I can't imagine even walking slowly for twenty-four hours straight, unless there were Cossacks after me or something.

(And I must start running again. First I was working too much, then Newt was sick, then I really just didn't want to for a couple of days, then I was sick, and now I'm sort of better but it's somehow been six weeks or so.)


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 1:13 PM
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I've only run once or twice since starting Xfit in July, which is odd for me. It appears that Xfit keeps me in sufficient shape that I can go out and run a normal distance with no problem.

OTOH, this is consistent my hypothesis that I am the kind of person who does not get in shape from training.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 1:16 PM
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I have a good friend who regularly does these. She also mostly does them in Israel, where it's hot. Oh and also she works as a a lawyer/advocate for Palestinian rights there. Pretty fucking tough chick.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 1:18 PM
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In four days, the days will be getting longer again. Then we'll get more light and energy and it'll be easier to go out and run, which isn't to say that I'm recommending it because I'm not. This is the close of the year and the shortest days and time for hibernating and coziness. It is a good time to not be running.


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 1:19 PM
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Megan, are you some kind of predator trying to lure the other animals into a false sense of security?


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 1:19 PM
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On a sort of related note, I've received three boxes of chocolate in the past five days.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 1:22 PM
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I wonder if I could eat chocolate for 24 hours straight. I bet not. I'm having trouble imagining anything I would do for 24 hours straight.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 1:23 PM
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Like one chocolate per hour for 24 hours? It would kind of suck to get up in the middle of the night, but otherwise doesn't sound too overwhelmingly challenging.

The frat I pledged but then dropped out of in college had a contest where you competed to see who could drink 1 beer/hour for the longest. I think to start you had to commit to at least 48 hours. You could go to sleep and miss your hours but then you had to make it up, so if you passed out and slept for 8 hours you needed to drink those 8 beers that same day (effectively, it became a 24 beers/day plan). The guy who "won" did it for a month and a half.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 1:27 PM
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I can't fathom running a century, but when I jog, I feel just as convinced as your friend does that stopping to rest would end my run on the spot; if I have to run a certain distance, of any length, I'd better do it all in one go.


Posted by: joyslinger | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 1:32 PM
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I also can't fathom drinking 24 beers in a day for 60 days.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 1:40 PM
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The guy who "won" did it for a month and a half.

Things like this do much more than anything I ever read in term papers to convince me that college students are idiots.


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 1:41 PM
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According to something I read somewhere, your liver can process a beer every hour. If you got some 3.2 beer, I suppose you could stay within the legal definition of sober for most of the waking hours.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 1:46 PM
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16: Are you sure that's not just an excuse to get out of reading term papers?


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 1:53 PM
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Running sucks.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 1:54 PM
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I'm sure within the first few days your BAC reaches equilibrium with the beer. It could be a could measure of liver function.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 1:56 PM
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I wonder if the small beer consumption of a sweaty guy in the middles ages wouldn't lead to about the same level of alcohol consumption as 24 cans of IC Light in a day.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 1:58 PM
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(I've mentioned before that) Jammies' mom was a nurse, and when she started working, they'd hook women up to an alcohol IV to delay labor for a premature birth. And the women would be drunk, for as long as it worked.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 1:59 PM
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And the women would be drunk, for as long as it worked.

You know, I love drinking and lying around in bed, but that would get old really quickly.


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 2:01 PM
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On a related note, I tried to drink a PBR and found it awful. Some guy at the bar, a guy who I haven't seen in a while possibly because he got kicked out, said PBR was the highest alcohol/dollar drink available at this particular bar.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 2:02 PM
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An Aussie colleague of mine used to do 24-hour Rogaines (an orienteering-like competition with the world's worst name). Sounded intriguing (you created your own "route") but I think it generally just ended up as a bloody-minded death slog.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 2:02 PM
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23, that's why butt-chugging was invented. In and out quick!


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 2:04 PM
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I actually think anyone who would run 100 miles is crazy.

Also.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 2:09 PM
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SP gets it right in 19. Swimming, the boredom would pass once I got into the groove; x-c skiing, it wasn't ever an issue; but every time I went running I just thought TEDIUM TEDIUM TEDIUM the whole time.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 2:14 PM
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I have no problem doing some otherwise repetitive activity in the context of something more interesting- running while playing soccer football tennis volleyball whatever. Skating during hockey. Swimming for water polo or snorkeling. But the base activities themselves, running skating swimming, are pretty much crap as enjoyment.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 2:17 PM
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Oh my god, I find swimming the dullest thing in the world. Trying any freaking mental device possible to keep track of the laps because it is relentlessly monotonous and boring and you can't even listen to a podcast or look at pretty scenery. So much worse than running.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 2:17 PM
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28: I find it exactly the opposite with swimming and running. Because breathing and clorine.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 2:18 PM
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Pwned, but at least I added my own misspelling of chlorine.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 2:18 PM
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Actually, my dad once accumulated so many exercise-related injuries that he resorted to treading water for an hour at a time. That seems even duller than swimming. Although I suppose you could at least listen to podcasts.

Also I never mastered the egg-beater kick, so it also sounds incredibly tiring.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 2:21 PM
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But swimming, you get warm and you're in the water. It's what the womb was like when you were eensy-weensy, except with chlorine and irritating people wanting to share your lane sometimes. Running is just the dull, thudding march to the grave, only slightly faster.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 2:21 PM
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Sharing the lane is a big part of it.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 2:22 PM
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No, 31 was valuable. I too hate the chlorine and breathing parts. And the underwater flips at the end of the lanes.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 2:22 PM
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If I had to run along crowded sidewalks or even where there was a great deal of traffic noise, I probably wouldn't like it.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 2:23 PM
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And the underwater flips at the end of the lanes.

I don't even try those anymore.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 2:24 PM
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With running, you can go until you're twenty minutes away from your house, and so you might as well jog home and at least get there sooner. With swimming I can quit any old time.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 2:24 PM
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OMG, my kid's recital is a fucking recorder concert.


Posted by: Chopper | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 2:24 PM
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36: I ♥ flip turns, hater.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 2:25 PM
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Full disclosure: I can't do them without getting disoriented and water up my nose.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 2:26 PM
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42 is about recorder recitals, that is.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 2:26 PM
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Chopper, did you not know your child was learning recorder?


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 2:27 PM
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People are always telling one just to find the kind of exercise one actively enjoys and then it will be easy to stay in shape! But the only kind of exercise -- "exercise," really, sadly -- that I actually enjoy is walking. Not very impressive.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 2:27 PM
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44 -- it's secret musical instrument knowledge Santa!

I sort of liked swimming before I knew what it meant to exercise. But it always got boring after a while. Now it just seems pointless, plus it sucks for losing weight..


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 2:29 PM
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You could buy a vest or belt to hold weights and gradually get to where you are walking with 30 pounds of extra weight. That's supposed to be good exercise.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 2:30 PM
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The problem with walking is that it's hard to budget the time for it, because it feels like goofing off. It's very pleasant, though. Especially when you're not carrying anything.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 2:31 PM
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You could buy a vest or belt to hold weights and gradually get to where you are walking with 30 pounds of extra weight.

I was supposed to buy a vest?!?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 2:32 PM
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I've always thought that the advice given in 45 was bullshit advice, or at least bullshit put that way. It's more like "find the kind of exercise you enjoy as exercise enough to keep doing it" which is a pretty different than "find something you actively enjoy while doing it."


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 2:32 PM
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Yes, and also it takes a lot of time for it to qualify as anything that would make one fit!


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 2:32 PM
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t's more like "find the kind of exercise you enjoy as exercise enough to keep doing it"

Either way, the answer for me is "no, really, I hate it all."


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 2:32 PM
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What about gardening? I remember hearing that people who get really into gardening seem to have all the health benefits of people who exercise. Or something. Plus you end up with vegetables or flowers.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 2:34 PM
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I like gardening about once a month. Part of the problem there, though, I admit, is that it's really hard to do with Jane around, because she wants to "help" and that makes it suck. But also I'd hoped I'd like it better, but I'm not very good at it, the part where the plants JUST KEEP GROWING AND WILL TAKE OVER EVERYTHING is stressful, and my schedule and the weather never line up very well.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 2:37 PM
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In other words, basically, I'd like gardening a lot better if it didn't involve exercise.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 2:38 PM
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Goddamnit. Trying to buy a book on Amazon as a Christmas present, I just accidentally bought the kindle edition for myself. Which I can't see any way to undo or return. Feh.

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Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 2:40 PM
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What about mailing homemade candy to your favorite bloggers? That's supposed to be excellent exercise.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 2:41 PM
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You have a time window to cancel something like that. I've done it before and it was decently user-friendly.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 2:42 PM
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57 is only true if you make it a regular habit, I suppose.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 2:42 PM
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57: Now you're talking!


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 2:43 PM
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45: I recently got an app that's a fitbit-style passive pedometer plus GPS thingie, and it makes walking feel so fucking valorous. Plus, it turns out I walk a lot. I walked 8.1 miles yesterday, for some reason!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 2:43 PM
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55: OR SMALL CHILDREN! I got a little work done the day Selah was willing to stay outdoors in her playpen and throw things at the dog happily, but that was it for two months, no bulbs, no nothing. I suppose I can still weave the rose canes into the fence when it's warm enough to comfortably be outside, but it was a worthless fall and I have to be on the fucking garden tour again in June. (Admittedly because I volunteered to, but still!) And I still don't exercise and don't anticipate starting any time soon.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 2:44 PM
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Walking is great! I love walking. I sing to myself when I walk, you know, or I talk on the phone.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 2:45 PM
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@45 My impression is that walking is actually supposed to be pretty good exercise as long as you do a fairly substantial amount of it on a regular basis.

Can you walk to work?


Posted by: AcademicLurker | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 2:45 PM
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56: I did that on Abebooks recently for Xmas gifts; *two* non-returnable .pdf versions of a book. (Though I should have realized that was why it was much cheaper.)


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 2:46 PM
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46.1: I'm imagining one of those elaborate practical jokes long in the planning. Chopperwife has Chopperchild learn an instrument for months, in secret, just so she can spring an awful experience on him right before Christmas! Awesome, Chopperwife.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 2:46 PM
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Indeed, I do walk to work. I love to walk!


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 2:47 PM
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the part where the plants JUST KEEP GROWING AND WILL TAKE OVER EVERYTHING is stressful,

Actually, that's one of the parts I really like about gardening. The plants will do a lot of the work all on their own. You go away for a while, and when you come back, they've done stuff.

Its not like grading, or research, where you go away and come back to find the project is in the same frustrating place that made you walk off in the first place.


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 2:47 PM
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You go away for a while, and when you come back, the horrible weeds have done so much stuff.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 2:47 PM
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Or

You go away for a while, and when you come back everything died of dehydration.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 2:48 PM
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58: Yay -- you were right, I just needed to look a little harder.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 2:49 PM
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70: That's worse with cats.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 2:50 PM
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Its not like grading, or research, where you go away and come back to find the project is in the same frustrating place that made you walk off in the first place.

Actually, I'm sitting in a classroom for three hours right now, watching my grading grow by a lot.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 2:51 PM
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45: I have this issue. It turns out the only sports I like doing are either overly expensive or difficult to do on a regular basis (like, canoeing) where I currently live.


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 2:52 PM
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I am pruning my grading, very slowly, with maybe a pair of cuticle scissors. I hope that it does not continue to grow.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 2:53 PM
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75: You really have to kill the source.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 2:54 PM
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Biking is good because you have to be engaged or you'll die. Plus it's equal or faster than taking the bus or driving to work along with counting as exercise. Stationary bike / spinning, on the other hand, is about the most boring thing I can possibly imagine doing for exercise.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 2:56 PM
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On the other hand, you can die.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 2:59 PM
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What heebie said.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 3:03 PM
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I've done a few spinning classes. It would be unbearably boring but there's a cute girl yelling at you and booty shaking music.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 3:03 PM
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I don't really understand how people do it regularly, though.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 3:04 PM
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I imagine if you really weren't paying attention you could die swimming too, unless you're naturally buoyant.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 3:07 PM
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Spinning: the music is fun and upbeat, but then you realize it's stealth Christian rock, and plus you feel vaguely embarrassed the whole time and slightly panicked that your friend who got you to attend will mention your presence on Facebook. Or maybe that's just my experience.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 3:07 PM
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I'm afraid of spinning classes because they're always yelling at the students to go to 140% or whatever and I'm afraid my heart would explode.

For years I would try every six months or so to take up running. Now in the past couple of years I've finally gotten so I enjoy it enough that I do it with a little consistency. Podcasts plus scenery plus not having to go to a special facility to do it.


Posted by: Bave | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 3:08 PM
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82: You are naturally buoyant.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 3:08 PM
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He said with uncharacteristic pedantry.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 3:09 PM
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Whatever nonsense is fine with me, just so long as everybody knows they float.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 3:13 PM
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85: I'm not, which is weird since fat is supposed to make you so.

Update on the concert. My kid's group was the best of the three that I listened to, possibly because she was faking the entire time--just holding her mouth open around the mouthpiece instead of blowing through it. This is similar to what I did in band class in middle school, so I suppose I can't hold it against her.

For the record, I did know she was learning the recorder, I just didn't connect the dots with the recital. I'm not one of you big brains.


Posted by: Chopper | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 3:16 PM
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My buoyancy has changed significantly over the years. I used to be a good swimmer, was a lifeguard, then I didn't swim for about 5 years and took up other sports that focused on leg strength, next time I swam my legs kept sinking and made it harder to maintain position than previously and I was extremely slow.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 3:16 PM
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Here's to you, raise a glass for ev'ryone
Here's to them, underneath that burning sun
Do they know they're buoyant in water?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 3:17 PM
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77: Agreed. I'd rate biking as more fun than most types of exercise, but that wouldn't be enough to make me stick with it. The fact that it's both the fastest* and cheapest mode of commuting available to me makes it very easy to stick with, though.

* This time of year, biking is faster than the bus. In the middle of summer, biking would require showering and changing clothes and it would probably take longer than the bus once you add that in, but for at least six months of the year biking is quicker. A car would probably be slightly faster than biking, but not as much as if I lived in a rural area, and it definitely wouldn't be cheaper.


Posted by: Cyrus | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 3:23 PM
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I miss running. People do weird things in SLC that I would completely miss if I didn't run to work. My favorite is when someone left spices on the sidewalk with a sign that said "free." Yes...I'll feel completely safe taking your spices.

Watching TV while using the elliptical at home is a lot more fun than showering at the gym and walking a block to work while my hair turns to icicles, though.


Posted by: LizSpigot | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 3:45 PM
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I just read Murakami's What I Talk About When I Talk About Running*, and he indirectly makes a point that struck me as very true -- you can run exactly as far as you need to run, but no further. When I lived in SF and my regular run was Lake Merced, I could run 4.5 miles before getting tired. Now my regular loop is 3.1 miles, and you'd think I could just do 4.5 like I used to, and maybe walk the rest of the second lap, but nope. The first 3.1 is easy; another step is pretty much impossible.

*More or less enjoyable, but it did nothing to improve my assessment of Murakami. On the one hand, at least it wasn't this book. On the other hand, it took me maybe two hours to read, and I suspect it took him somewhat less time to write. At this point the man could probably just sneeze on a sheet of typing paper and have a NYT bestseller on his hands.


Posted by: jms | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 3:53 PM
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I just read Murakami's What I Talk About When I Talk About Running*, and he indirectly makes a point that struck me as very true -- you can run exactly as far as you need to run, but no further. When I lived in SF and my regular run was Lake Merced, I could run 4.5 miles before getting tired. Now my regular loop is 3.1 miles, and you'd think I could just do 4.5 like I used to, and maybe walk the rest of the second lap, but nope. The first 3.1 is easy; another step is pretty much impossible.

*More or less enjoyable, but it did nothing to improve my assessment of Murakami. On the one hand, at least it wasn't this book. On the other hand, it took me maybe two hours to read, and I suspect it took him somewhat less time to write. At this point the man could probably just sneeze on a sheet of typing paper and have a NYT bestseller on his hands.


Posted by: jms | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 3:53 PM
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damn it


Posted by: jms | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 3:53 PM
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I like to walk really long distances but I don't really understand the appeal of running for more than a mile or so at a time. The guy whose office is across the hall from me keeps moving further and further away from work but still commutes mostly by running. I think he's doing 20 miles a day commuting now, plus he's always flying to some random mountain somewhere to run crazy-long distances with no oxygen. It doesn't seem altogether sane to me.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 3:58 PM
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2 I can probably count the times I've run more than five miles on one hand.

Running on two hands would be difficult enough!


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 4:03 PM
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I liked running in the morning in high school because it was fun to feel like I'd actually gone somewhere that day before getting to classs. But then I got injuries plus lazy. I swam almost daily for many years before I took up running and liked the activity of swimming but the repetitiveness of lap after lap got really dull so I quit.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 4:20 PM
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Heebie, I mentioned this before, but they make pretty inexpensive mp3 players for swimming. I used for a while and it worked really well.


Posted by: Turgid Jacobian | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 4:26 PM
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I'm doing the Zombies C25K program, which I really like. I also discovered through the use of a treadmill that the reason that I run slowly is not due to any inherent lack of aerobic capacity, but simply that I'm a slacker.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 4:27 PM
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Either way, the answer for me is "no, really, I hate it all."

Me three.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 4:52 PM
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I bet building a house cob is good exercise.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 4:57 PM
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Surprise surprise, bomb threat called in by student who wanted to avoid his exam that day.
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Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 4:58 PM
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103: Christ, what an asshole.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 5:01 PM
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And, according to the dean's email, it worked! He gets to calculate his grade based on coursework excluding the exam, and/or take a pass/fail grade for the class.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 5:03 PM
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I wonder if they'll make an exception for him personally.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 5:11 PM
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105: not for the exam he was trying to avoid, apparently. Only for the 2PM exams yesterday.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 5:15 PM
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So, they totally got the info on his ID from the NSA, didn't they. "Harvard was able to determine he'd accessed the Tor network"? Uh huh.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 5:17 PM
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You know, from Harvard's big metadata facility in Utah.


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Wait, it says he used Tor while on Harvard's wireless network. Shouldn't Harvard be able to tell who's connecting to Tor from their own network?


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 5:35 PM
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110: in theory, sure. That's what makes it plausible.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 5:40 PM
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Also, how'd they find out that whoever it was connected to guerillamail from Tor so quickly? Presumably a mail service like that doesn't include the IP in the headers or store logs?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 5:41 PM
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108/110/111: Yeah, I'm also confused. I mean, isn't the real NSA link the part where they know that the person who sent the email from Guerrillamail did so via Tor?


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Err, that was me, but I'm not sure why I'm claiming it since I was so badly pwned by Sifu.


Posted by: x.trapnel | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 5:42 PM
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Maybe they just assumed whoever did this probably used Tor, and then looked for who had connected to it from their network.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 5:42 PM
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Typical Ivy - use anonymizing services but still on your own computer, rather than, say, going to a library in a different neighborhood.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 5:43 PM
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use anonymizing services but still on your own computer, rather than, say, going to a library in a different neighborhood

Not just your own computer, but the campus wireless network!


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 5:44 PM
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113: I imagine the whole thing was NSA. Why wouldn't you just have the experts give you a local IP and then tell Harvard IT to check who that was and if they connected to Tor?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 5:46 PM
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Also all that hand-waving elision in the affidavit? C'mon.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 5:49 PM
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101 is exactly right.


Posted by: k-sky | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 5:50 PM
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I rode 6 miles to work at -2 degrees F this morning. Then I rode 6 miles home in a heavy snow. In between, I moved around a lot of large boxes of vegetables. Repeat that five days a week, and I've lost 50 pounds in the past six months, since I started.


Posted by: Light Rail Tycoon | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 5:54 PM
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Relatedly, I had to catch a bus to another city. I was taking the public bus to the bus station, and in a brain fog got on the wrong bus. I got off at a point nearish to where the two bus lines intersect, but the other bus stop was farther away than I thought, and I ended sprinting uphill for a reasonable distance (400 m?) in 35 degree weather. That triggered my exercise induced asthma, and now I'm on the long distance bus and my seat mate is eyeing me nervously and edging away as I cough up a lung. I thought it might be polite to tell her I have asthma instead of SARS, but I don't really want to let her know I speak Chinese.

I do yoga every day and enjoy it, except I don't know if I'd be motivated enough to do it if I didn't live in a yoga studio.


Posted by: Britta | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 6:15 PM
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Eh, Sifu's probably right. They credit a bunch of agencies and probably wouldn't if it was just Harvard figuring it out. Though I still think a plausible path would be find out who connected to Tor > question them > guilty person breaks down and confesses and supplies the other info.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 6:21 PM
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I actually don't think everyday, getting-around-town biking is very good at all for exercise. The whole point of a bike is that it's extraordinarily efficient: if you're on flat ground, you'll barely notice the exertion of, say, a 10mph pace. Less effort than walking, probably. Obviously if you start pushing hard, or going up hills, that's different--but then you're going to sweat, which you probably don't want if you're just talking about getting to work (and can't change clothes, etc.).

The efficiency/speed of the bike makes it kind of difficult to get a real workout: if you're in a city, biking at a workout pace is *dangerous*, unless you're going uphill--and even then, you have to come downhill at some point. And if you're not in a city, you have to be prepared for the possibility of equipment failure, which could strand you 20 miles from home.

Don't get me wrong: I love everyday/commuter biking, and biking is also my main form of exercise (at least it has been since I hurt my knee a year ago). But I don't think bikes are actually very *good* for exercise.


Posted by: x.trapnel | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 6:31 PM
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So, Sifu, should this be taken as an indication that, in general, Tor does not actually do much to hide your trail from The Authorities, if what you do ends up catching their attention?


Posted by: x.trapnel | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 6:33 PM
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I think you're underestimating the difference between doing something physical at all, however gentle, and sitting in a chair. If you're using a bike to get around enough that you've got an hour or so a day on it, it doesn't have to be that intense to be a real difference from a sedentary lifestyle.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 6:34 PM
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So we can extrapolate that the NSA knows exactly how much time we spend commenting on Unfogged from our work computers?


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 6:35 PM
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Oh, yes.


Posted by: NSA | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 6:38 PM
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125: well, Tor gets you so far, right? They could figure out that somebody connected to guerillamail from a Tor node; they could figure out that somebody at Harvard connected TO a Tor node. They could figure it when that connection started and when it ended. So no, it doesn't buy you that much. If you connect to a Tor node from someplace totally random then it buys you a lot.

I was saying to one of the guys in my lab (before all this happened) that what the (as yet unidentified) freshman SHOULD have done is connect to some forum or other from a random location and offer to pay some Ukrainian (or whatever) dude in bitcoin to send the emails (using Tor).


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 6:45 PM
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128: Maybe you could send me a list of all the important emails I haven't gotten around to replying to yet?


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 6:46 PM
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I mean, if Big Brother is watching us, the least he could do is send a friendly and useful reminder every now and then.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 6:47 PM
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"As yet unidentified"? His name's all over the affidavit.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 6:48 PM
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129.2: You should set up a consulting sideline to dispense wisdom like that to disgruntled undergrads who have lots of money and little sense.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 6:48 PM
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132: as yet at the time the conversation happened, one presumes.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 6:49 PM
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129 isn't quite there. This shit is not so easy.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 6:49 PM
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Though as r h-c revealed at the other place, maybe the English language is actually a lot more ambiguous than I think it is.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 6:50 PM
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132, 134: right, this was yesterday.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 6:50 PM
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134, 137: Ah, okay, right.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 6:51 PM
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All this just to avoid getting an A- instead of an A?


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 6:51 PM
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139: we're setting aside that fundamental stupidity for the moment.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 6:53 PM
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It's not just fundamentally stupid, it's somehow independently stupid along three or four different axes. But I guess I was told a few times during the orientation things for my job that "our undergrads are amazing; they're not like undergrads anywhere else; they'll do things that can blow your mind".


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 7:03 PM
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|| So, for about a month the parking spots next to mine in the (mostly lawyers) garage have been taken up by two nearly identical (except for color) 1980s Mercedes SL 580s, in mint condition. That was a little weird but whatever. On Monday, a third Mercedes SL 580 showed up. Today, there were ten Mercedes SL 580 Roadters, all in different colors, all parked next to each other, taking up every spot against the wall except for mine. |>


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 7:04 PM
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What I am hoping, but what almost certainly isn't true, is that some firm had a big year and is paying bonuses in 1980s Mercedes 580 SLs. "Here you go, take your pick."


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 7:07 PM
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141: ahahaha you were? My recently completed teacher training featured a lot of "no, really, they are fundamentally college students, not lawsuit-happy workaholic overachievers".


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 7:07 PM
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142,3: are all the spots assigned?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 7:07 PM
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I have the only assigned spot on the wall.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 7:08 PM
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Are they leaving at night?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 7:10 PM
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Yes, they're gone by late at night. Otherwise it would just obviously be some car collector using the work garage as storage, which is obviously the case for a few other cars parked there. But the two SLs have been going in and out for about a month.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 7:11 PM
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Have you recently connected to the Tor network?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 7:13 PM
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I mean, it probably is just some car collector or guy who wants to sell them but doesn't have space at home. But who is this person? Does he have a team of drivers? And where do they go late at night?


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 7:15 PM
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The efficiency/speed of the bike makes it kind of difficult to get a real workout

Try riding up a giant hill on a singlespeed.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 7:17 PM
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You should run into one of them in a way that makes it really obvious it was your car that did it. You'll find out an awful lot about them that way.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 7:17 PM
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151 continues "... not that I'm bitter."


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 7:19 PM
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150 But who is this person? Does he have a team of drivers? And where do they go late at night?

When you do your stakeout, take Backup with you.


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142- We were at a hotel in Germany a few months ago and when we were leaving there was some kind of BMW convertible club meeting, at least 50 of them.


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124- You haven't seen my bike I take it. I weighed the kids the other week, my weight plus their weight plus bike plus backpacks plus accessories is about 500 pounds. I do drop them off sequentially during the commute so by the end I'm down to about 300.
OTOH I have an electric assist on the front wheel that I use for going uphill. But it was awesome in the snow, the back wheel would slip while I was pedaling, I'd engage the motor, and I had all-wheel drive.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 7:35 PM
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... my weight plus their weight plus bike plus backpacks plus accessories is about 500 pounds.

<*boggle*>


Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 7:48 PM
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There are so many times that I think Halford and I occupy opposite worlds, but 142 still stands out.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 8:13 PM
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Imagine ten F-350s in different colors, all parked next to each other. All with truck nuts.


Posted by: Kreskin | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 8:33 PM
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"I am doing some agonizing reappraisal of my activity/workout regime," he said from the temporarily-focusing confines of his hospital room.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 8:34 PM
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I need to get back into hiking/biking/kayaking/canoeing I think.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 8:36 PM
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Stormcrow, what are your updates? Are they keeping you in overnight or did I miss an update? I'm about to go to bed, so don't actually feel pressured to answer, but on the other hand you won't have anything better to do if you're stuck with sensors on all night. Also note that both JRoth and Sir Kraab have been blamed. If we're going to start pushing things any farther, I think Rance's first appearance might be suspect. I'm pretty sure I didn't leave anyone limping after DC, so I am clearly in the clear!


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161: The last two items are similar enough that making it a tetrathlon seems kind of forced. Maybe you could switch one with swimming or shooting or something.


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There are so many times that I think Halford and I occupy opposite worlds, but 142 still stands out.

And yet, somehow he was able to talk you into XFit . . .


Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 9:01 PM
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Pigeon masks.


Posted by: Bave | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 9:02 PM
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I saved a spot on the roof of the garage in case I buy a kayak. Then I spent the kayak money on beer.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 9:56 PM
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But this year, I'm going to rig up something with pulleys to store the kayak.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 9:57 PM
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And by "this year", I mean "next year".


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 10:03 PM
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162: It probably wasn't my fault. I suggested the Squirrel Cage, because it's marginally safe than actually smoking a cigarette while standing in gasoline.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 10:11 PM
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Stormcrow, have you had your glands checked? It's possible you connected to a limp node on the Tor network.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 12-17-13 10:50 PM
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OT, but has anyone seen this? http://xkcd.com/1305/ It feels oddly familiar. (Sorry, Nosflow)


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162: i'm in here for a couple of days starting From Monday evening at least. On heparin* (fast-acting anti-coagulant) via IV, and started on warfarin (Coumadin)--which is slower-acting--by mouth, and at minimum my release depends on the latter to have reached therapeutic levels in the blood. Not sure on the actual fricking clot, leg still a bit swollen, but one of those things where it was much worse (in terms of soreness anyway) last week when I was walking around on the loose as a civilian.

*This from Wikipedia amuses me because child: One unit of heparin (the "Howell unit") is an amount approximately equivalent to 0.002 mg of pure heparin, which is the quantity required to keep 1 ml of cat's blood fluid for 24 hours at 0°C.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 1:17 AM
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170: John Goodman's on his way over to show you the life of a limp node on the Tor network my friend.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 1:21 AM
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Glad to hear that you seem to be on the mend, JP. Get well soon.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 1:25 AM
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On the OP, I am getting steadily increasing pressure at work to compete in lunatic races - marathons and half-marathons were bad enough, but now they're trying to say we should really all be doing ultramarathons! Every year! Or desert multi-marathons, or that lunatic O Till O thing in Sweden. It might be time for me to switch to a less gungho job or possibly find some way to induce clinical apathy in my new boss. Or work out some wacky 1980s comedy way to swap him for someone less energetic.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 3:23 AM
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Try for a Bob Graham Round. A friend used to do some pretty crazy peak bagging run in tbe Lake Didtrict. He would slso run the Pikes Peak Marathon as well.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 3:48 AM
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JP: if you're on warfarin, they'll advise you not to drink, which might be a bugger over Christmas. Being in America, they'll probably set your alcohol limit lower than it needs to be, but you do want to be moderately careful or you'll fuck your liver. For real.

How much you can actually quaff will depend on the dose, but as an old pro who has taken the stuff daily for ten years, my advice would be, drink wine, because it gives you more bang for the buck than beer or shots in the allowable doses, and don't go over 2/3 of a bottle tops until it's fully metabolised.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 4:07 AM
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Back in the day when Indid do triathalons, i would do a lot of time on a "wind trainer" where you had your bike locked into a stand with fans for resistance (are they still a thing?). I found it gave a very good, tough workout. Around that time, I recall reading where an early Race Across America guy, Michael Secrest, would set one up in his closet to mimic the night riding.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 4:20 AM
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177: Thanks, I'm not actually much of a drinker these days.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 4:24 AM
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143: getting a 1980s Mercedes instead of your bonus is the new killing it.

Actually, getting a 1980s Merc instead of your bonus in a good year is the new killing it, lawyer style.

God, is this what I've got to look forward to under the new European regulations? Life hardly seems worth living.


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Now that was a bit unsettling. Repeating synthesized voice alarm: "Code Red, north extension 2nd floor". But no commotion in the halls, and I'm on the 3rd floor. I'm guessing some kind of loose patient scenario rather than biohazard release--I forgot to ask for the code book. ("All clear" as I was typing this.
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Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 4:41 AM
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The frat I pledged but then dropped out of

/destroys Glenn-Danzig-esque mental image of Halford
/replaces it with Mark Hoppus in khaki pants and backwards ball cap


Posted by: Todd | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 4:51 AM
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Did you not watch "A Few Good Men"? Code Red means that they're beating a patient to death with bars of soap wrapped in towels.


Posted by: dsquared | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 5:09 AM
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Code Blue means, I think, "chap stopped breathing". (quick google) Yes, "patient in need of resuscitation".

Code Red means... a fire.

Ah.

Probably not what you want to hear.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 5:13 AM
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Fire drill, says ny nurse. But that's what she *would* say,


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 5:15 AM
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Thing is they vary from hospital to hospital. If you're in Ontario, you want to start worrying at a Code Orange: "an external disaster with mass casualties, CBRNE and Pandemic. Lockdown or controlled facility access is often used as part of the response".

(CBRNE = chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear or explosive attack.)

Code Brown, OTOH could mean anything from "severe weather alert" (Texas) to "Sewers backing up" (Ontario).


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 5:17 AM
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Code Yellow: Sun has gone supernova. (Toilet backup in some jurisdictions)
Code Pink: Pepto-Bismol spill.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 5:23 AM
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Woad Blue: attack by Picts. (Led, of course, by Mel Gibson, the Woad Warrior.)


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 5:29 AM
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Code Megan: flooding


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 5:29 AM
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Code Ultraviolet: Sexy Vampires


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 6:00 AM
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Code Puce: puke


Posted by: Todd | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 6:09 AM
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Code Octarine: Sourcery in progress.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 6:11 AM
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Adding my wishes for your speedy recovery, JP. Hope you get out quickly.


Posted by: ydnew | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 6:36 AM
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Imagine ten F-350s in different colors, all parked next to each other. All with truck nuts.

Different colored truck nuts?

Aside from the truck nuts, I would probably not notice in a parking lot if there were ten F-350 all in a row.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 6:43 AM
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Keep us posted, JP. Speedy recovery.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 6:43 AM
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Code Red October: it sheems the reactor primary coolant loop has shprung a leak. OR HASH IT?


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 7:01 AM
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Code Blue Oyster Cult: There's a reaper here, but no worries.


Posted by: Annelid Gustator | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 7:19 AM
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197 applies to Australian hospitals only.


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When I first heard of warfarin I thought it must be some awesome drug carrying out warfare against bodily invaders or something. That it's named for the Wisconsin Alumni Research Foundation is a disappointment.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 7:55 AM
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It makes me think of Don Henley and the Boys of Summer.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 7:57 AM
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Warfarin is better known as a rat poison to people who don't need anticoagulants. For years I thought it was a violent metaphor for pest control.


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200 took me a minute. And now I have an unwanted earworm.


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199: I had a similar thought; warfarin is to other drugs the way Wario was to Mario.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 8:11 AM
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202: I apologize.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 8:41 AM
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I don't get how "warfarin" fits in with the lyrics, but now I have the earworm anyway.


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I'll explain, but full-disclosure: I'd already like to distance myself from this unfunny mess. Warfarin reminds me of Wayfarers.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 9:12 AM
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Code White: Santa, Jesus, and George Zimmerman walk into a bar. Barkeep says:


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 9:13 AM
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don't look back, you can never look back


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206: Huh. Thanks. I'd never noticed that Wayfarers bit in the lyrics.


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The thing for me now is to get my INR above 2, and it was 1.1 this morning (started at 1). Theoretically (and hopefully) it does not rise linearly.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 9:16 AM
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208: Or else you'll see the deadhead sticker that turns you into a pillar of salt.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 9:17 AM
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I was thinking Eurydice. I must have thought about the similarity of those two myths before but somehow it surprised me this morning.

Also, I decided to put on a sport coat for my meeting with the billionaire, and it looks like I'm dressed for a funeral, and now I feel inexplicably solemn for no good reason.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 9:46 AM
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If I had more energy, I'd make Stormcrow a "Get Better Soon ... Asshole" card. Possibly with an allegorcal representation of Edith Bolling Galt Wilson having sex with some kind of weather system.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 9:57 AM
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OT, but has anyone seen this? http://xkcd.com/1305/ It feels oddly familiar. (Sorry, Nosflow)

Wow, that is . . . nothing at all like unfogged, of course.


Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 9:57 AM
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Remember, Essear, the world of billionaires consists of nothing but blowjobs.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 9:59 AM
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Don't forget to scrape with your teeth! Good luck.


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Seeing this makes me surprisingly happy (I am not generally a vindictive person, and yet . . . ) (via CT)).

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Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 10:38 AM
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He probably got pissed off at her laughing uncontrollably at the article eviscerated in the previous post by Holbo.


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NickS, your effort to make the link in your quoted text actually linkable shows true dedication to excellence in commenting.


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216: As someone said in the archives, it's just like eating an artichoke.


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218: Ah, but I do now assume that much of the odd tone of that article was related to unfolding personal life circumstances.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 10:55 AM
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Halford's the best at projection.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 10:59 AM
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217: she changed her first name?!


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 11:10 AM
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That is some PF Strawson weirdness.


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Who wears a sportcoat to a funeral?


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I kind of want to be an asshole and say that changing her first name when marrying isn't that much objectively weirder than changing her surname. At least she didn't change it to David so they'd match and really seem like a family unit.


Posted by: ydnew | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 11:17 AM
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They compromised from his original request of "Bathsheba".


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 11:18 AM
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Fortunately, there's no reason to be concerned one way or the other about objective weirdness.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 11:21 AM
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Keep telling yourself that.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 11:29 AM
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235: you're right, it's a suit coat, but not worn with the suit pants it came with. I don't know the right words.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 11:38 AM
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What kind of asshole wears a suit coat and no pants to a funeral? Put on the suit pants or go home. Where's my blowjob?


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 11:42 AM
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I mean maybe if you're too distraught by the death to find the suit pants, I could be forgiving. Or if they're stained with blood.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 11:43 AM
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Warfarin makes me think of Rilke's "Eranna an Sappho" ("O du wilde weite Werferin").


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 11:49 AM
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you're right, it's a suit coat, but not worn with the suit pants it came with. I don't know the right words.

The right words for that are "a terrible mistake". If you bought it as part of a suit, you should be wearing the whole suit -- without the pants, it's going to look like a suitcoat with the pants missing. If you want to wear a jacket that's not part of a suit, buy it separately.

On the other hand, in context, possibly dressing like an eccentric will make you look like just the sort of person a billionaire wants a blowjob from to give money to.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 11:53 AM
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Just reassure me that you are wearing some sort of trousers, whether or not they match the jacket.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 11:56 AM
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234: really? It's obvious which jackets came from a suit?


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 11:58 AM
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I dunno, maybe essear should go Full Smearcase.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 11:58 AM
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Yes.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 11:58 AM
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238 to 236 and possibly to 237 but I can't figure out what it means.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 11:59 AM
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I recall reading some guidelines intended to answer the question "can I wear this suit jacket without the pants they come with?" that basically came down to something like tallying the markers of causalness on the jacket. Style of pockets, for example. I have worn a jacket bought as part of a suit without the corresponding pants before and I don't think it looks conspicuously misplaced (this is not true for the jacket of the other suit I own, which definitely would look wrong).


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 11:59 AM
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It's obvious which jackets came from a suit?

Depends on the suit. The more formal the suit, the more obvious it is.


Posted by: MAE | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 12:01 PM
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Nosflow only owns two suits?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 12:03 PM
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I only own three suits, unless you count a tuxedo as a suit.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 12:04 PM
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Just reassure me that you are wearing some sort of trousers, whether or not they match the jacket.

This probably is the point at which it is appropriat to make the obligatory reference to the conclusion of the Big Bang Theory episode in which Leonard has been trying to convince a rich widow to donate to the Physics department.


Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 12:06 PM
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Nosflow only owns two suits?

For all of his affectations, nosflow has never struck me as a dandy.


Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 12:08 PM
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Wearing a suit jacket with a different set of pants seems like one of those things that you shouldn't do unless you already know you can pull it off.


Posted by: widget | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 12:08 PM
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Until not too much more than a year ago I owned only one suit, which I hardly ever wore! And its sleeves were too long!


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 12:09 PM
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245: but my shoes were the talk of (a very small part of) the decadegon!


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 12:10 PM
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The suit pants don't fit well anymore and the blazers I own look kind of ratty. So in my "oh, I'd better throw something suitable in my bag" rush before leaving for the airport, this seemed like the best option. Oops.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 12:15 PM
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essear has the meeting happened yet? Go buy a sport coat! That's billionaire thinking.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 12:24 PM
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208 is advice for wooing billionaires, with or without pants.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 12:25 PM
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Go buy a sport coat!

It's hard to get one that fits right without alteration.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 12:29 PM
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Make 'em alter it right then!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 12:32 PM
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It might be easier to argue that pin-striped sports coats are too a thing.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 12:33 PM
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the article eviscerated in the previous post by Holbo

This should be required reading to go with the article Holbo went after.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 12:36 PM
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It isn't pin-striped. Jeez. It's a black suit coat I'm wearing with a gray shirt and charcoal pants.

I feel like I'm being urple-like now. Maybe I'll just squeeze the coat into my backpack and forget about it.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 12:39 PM
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Or where does LB work? Maybe I have time to swing by so she can tell me exactly how ridiculous it is.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 12:40 PM
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Oh, man, if you saw what I was wearing while I pontificated about fashion, you would laugh until you plotzed.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 12:42 PM
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essear, it's not a date and he's not planning to give you a clothing budget, so you don't have to look astonishing in either direction. Can you ask the people you're traveling with? And now you're going to get hassled for wearing a suit coat with a backpack, especially a backpack big enough to carry a suit coat.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 12:42 PM
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Look, you've already fucked up. The only way out is to amp up the crazy scientist look. Where are you, so we can direct you to the nearest place to find a Nehru jacket, monocle, and prop parrot.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 12:43 PM
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And buy them. Nothing looks as rented as a rented bird.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 12:47 PM
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But enough about you, Essear. How about me? We're at threat level midnight for the Secret Santa gift exchange here at work. Will I get the pigeon mask? How will the scented candle I bought that cost 3x the price limit for the exchange be received by the receptionist?


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 12:47 PM
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You're not even speaking; relax. No one is going to care that your jacket doesn't match your pants.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 12:47 PM
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Get the pigeon mask!


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 12:48 PM
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I'm so confused by this conversation. All the physicists I know are awful dressers. I almost feel like your billionaire would be disappointed and confused to see orderly, well-groomed supplicants. Shouldn't you focus on looking smart and rumpled, as if thinking about clothes takes away from your time to think Big Thoughts About Physics? Like, did you button your shirt properly? Is it tucked in everywhere? You win already.

Seriously, good luck. I hope everyone performs well and you get generous funding.


Posted by: ydnew | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 12:49 PM
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Did you ask for anything besides the pigeon mask? I can't see why you'd want to, but maybe those were the rules.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 12:50 PM
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I think I have time to swing by the place I left my luggage and trade the jacket for a simple black sweater. Maybe I'll do that.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 12:51 PM
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Theoretically (and hopefully) it does not rise linearly.

Like so many things, warfarin dosing is like piloting a dirigible: the effects of dose changes take a while to kick in. Presumably your doctors know this, and won't give you 5mg, check you the next day, and bump it to 7, only to find by the weekend that your blood has the viscosity of ethyl alcohol. In addition, people react very differently to the drug, so a small, frail person might need more than a big, hearty one, etc. So be prepared for them to be calibrating for a while.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 12:51 PM
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My other possibilities, assuming my secret santa sticks with the requests, are (a) random gift from some website that sends random gifts that Neb linked to, or (b) lots of beef jerky.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 12:52 PM
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267: Too arty. Stick with what you've got.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 12:53 PM
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I almost feel like your billionaire would be disappointed and confused to see orderly, well-groomed supplicants.

Very plausible!


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 12:53 PM
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Full disclosure: I'm wearing khaki pants and a blue oxford for the 2,025th day in a row. Take fashion advice at your own risk.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 12:54 PM
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268: geez, he marries a doctor and suddenly he's some kind of expert.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 12:57 PM
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I'm wearing a simple black sweater but would gladly have traded it for a suit coat if I had a black suit coat that went with black jeans, which I don't. But seriously, essear, if you're worried, put the other outer layer in the backpack and check how well you match the rest of your team. I like the grayscale color palette, in any case, though I'm no billionaire.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 12:58 PM
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I interviewed a summer intern applicant on Monday wearing a black t-shirt -- respectable pants, but a t-shirt, and my hair all catawampus. I'd forgotten the interview was scheduled, and was at the low end of what I think of as work-acceptable grooming.

On the other hand, his cover letter said that he was interested in pubic interest law, so he really doesn't have a leg to stand on. (I was actually wondering -- would a good person have told the kid that he had an embarrassing typo in his cover letter? It's not going to kill his chances with us, but I figure the same letter is going out to other people who may be fussier.) Should I email him? It seems really awkward.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 12:58 PM
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If you like him as a candidate and would hire him, tell him but by phone and in a way that's very reassuring about his chances. If you don't like him, ignore it. Thus says I.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 1:01 PM
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I didn't like him enough to overcome the awkwardness (although I did recommend hiring him. But at the sort of "Eh, he'll do" level, rather than "Ooo, we get to hire this guy!" level).


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 1:04 PM
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If you're hiring, you can ask him to resubmit the letter without the typo. Because some asshole in some other department might see it and whine.


Posted by: CCarp | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 1:10 PM
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I once wore jeans -- and a suit jacket, a white shirt, and a tie -- to a first-round summer job interview with a NYC law firm. (Not what I'd call a white-shoe firm, but close enough.) The reasons did in fact involve losing my (suit) pants, but not while I was wearing them.

It turned out not to be a bad ice-breaker. I got a callback interview, but ultimately no offer. Always figured I should have worn the jeans to the callback.


Posted by: widget | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 1:13 PM
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I just ordered six pigeon masks "from Santa". This should be fun Christmas morning: everyone gets a mask.


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 1:18 PM
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I'm not currentl wearing pants. I was earlier, but I was shoveling, and everybody knows shoveling with no pants on is simply not done.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 1:18 PM
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My first real job interview they made fun of me for wearing a tie. Ahh, tech.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 1:19 PM
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I once wore a jacket without a tie to a job interview -- it had been years since I wore a tie, and the morning of the interview I couldn't figure out how to tie it in a way that didn't look outrageously wrong to me. It was getting late, so I gave up and drove to the interview in downtown Columbus. I couldn't figure out where to park, and wound up getting to the interview 5-10 minutels late.

Sixteen years working at this job, and I still haven't figured out why they hired me, or if it was a good or a bad thing.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 1:26 PM
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275: I know a law student who's genuinely interested in public-service jobs but also has a sort of zeal-of-the-convert air to his enthusiasm. He dressed pretty flamboyantly (i.e., a far cry from your typical blue/grey boring conservative suit) for a round of interviews, presumably in a bid to stand out. I gather it didn't go well, but maybe that wasn't the goofy bow tie/tweed jacket/sneakers combo. I definitely cringed and felt bad for him when I saw him at [big regional job-begging conference].


Posted by: James Monroe | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 1:28 PM
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||

Two major obstacles surmounted in my quest to get out of Dodge for a few months!

Another union (the one in Pittsburgh) has made me an almost-formal offer for a 3-month contract (subject to some further discussion with the staff union. G.D. unions.) My boss has ok'ed it. Now my union president has to agree, which he likely will after he fumes for a bit.

Salvation, temporary though it may be, is in sight!

|>


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 1:43 PM
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265: I'm reminded of the horrible fights between my mother and my oldest brother, who was at the time a professor in the biomedical sciences at UCLA. As a biomedical researcher in LA he would be invited to parties with celebrities that were donors to medical research. He would casually mention that he had met, for example, Peter Falk, (that's the one name I remember) at a party, and my mother would immediately ask him what he(my brother) wore to the party. He would reply, "I was dressed fine! I wore my good jacket!" -- that would turn out to be a jacket my mother has bought for him when he was in high school, and my mom would be so distraught, like he had brought shame onto the family. It's so puzzling since she's from Israel, one of the most casually clothed countries in the world.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 1:46 PM
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Congrats, Sir Kraab! I've heard good things about Pittsburgh.


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 1:46 PM
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285: Yay! JP Stormcrow can stop offering up his suffering for your job success now, I guess.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 1:47 PM
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I should be clear that I won't be living in Pittsburgh, just making occasional visits while telecommuting.

I appreciate Stormcrow's sacrifice.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 1:49 PM
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289: Congrats Sir Kraab!

I telecommute to Pittsburgh too! It's a nice place to email, but I wouldn't want to visit.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 1:53 PM
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Sir Kraab-
That's wonderful! Congrats. I've been wondering how that was going to pan out.


Posted by: Rance | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 1:55 PM
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289: As long as you aren't taking my parking spot.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 2:25 PM
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I once wore jeans -- and a suit jacket, a white shirt, and a no tie to a wedding. It was 30 years ago and fashions were different.

Still married, though.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 2:34 PM
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It turned out not to be a bad ice-breaker. I got a callback interview, but ultimately no offer. Always figured I should have worn the jeans to the callback.

You should have worn suitpants and a denim jacket.


Posted by: Turgid Jacobian | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 4:52 PM
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275: I always tell candidates when there are errors in their resumes. I use it as a litmus test to see if they care about the mistake because patent prosecution is all about the details. The students take it well. The 10th-year associate didn't, but there's no excuse for having typos in your resume at that stage so I really don't feel bad.


Posted by: LizSpigot | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 5:00 PM
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|| Holy crap! Ambassador Baucus! Governor Bullock will appoint Lt Gov Walsh -- who's running for the seat already. We just might hold this seat! |>


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 5:01 PM
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I GOT THE PIGEON MASK


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 5:01 PM
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Baller.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 5:02 PM
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Did you immediately put it on, and wear it for the rest of the Secret Santa?


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 5:06 PM
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Yes, yes I did. Not for the whole time.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 5:10 PM
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299: He put it on and went and crapped on all of the 80's Mercedes in the parking garage.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 5:11 PM
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Brewster McCloud is his new pseud.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 5:12 PM
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You know what pigeons love? Bread.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 5:13 PM
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That was anticlimactic.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 5:15 PM
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The Pigeon mask?


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 5:20 PM
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304: no postdoc, but you each have a vintage Mercedes?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 5:27 PM
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I guess I didn't follow heebie's advice enough to produce a climax. (Plucking my own low-hanging fruit here...)


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 5:32 PM
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The receptionist didn't seem skeeved out but was confused because she didn't know what "cassis" was.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 5:32 PM
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So, if the cost limit was $30 (the price of the pigeon mask), and you paid three times that, I guess my question is where the fuck did you find a ninety dollar candle?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 5:36 PM
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Huh, never mind, I guess.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 5:37 PM
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I now have the pigeon mask mounted on my desk. Is this unprofessional?


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 5:39 PM
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what the fuck


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 5:40 PM
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310 -- yeah, I would have guessed a max price of maybe $8.50 for a scented candle. Was I ever wrong.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 5:40 PM
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312 -- that was the brand, but I didn't get the $450.00 candle.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 5:41 PM
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311: Nah, you're good at least through New Year's.

If you want to keep it out longer than that, stick a plaque on it and pretend it's a deal toy.


Posted by: widget | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 5:51 PM
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Can we get a picture of you sitting on Santa's lap, wearing the pigeon mask?


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 5:54 PM
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In a suit, I interviewed for a job with several casually dressed people. The top guy in the room - the ultimate boss's lieutenant - was wearing shorts.

Later, when he was demoted and I got his job, he attributed it in large measure to my insistence on wearing a tie, even after I was hired. He was wrong, but not completely wrong.


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310 -- yeah, I would have guessed a max price of maybe $8.50 for a scented candle. Was I ever wrong.

Yeah, there's a whole new world of high-end scented candles out there. Good work, dude.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 6:02 PM
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Congrats on the pigeon mask, Halford. And congrats to Sir Kraab on the job news.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 6:06 PM
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I guess I didn't follow heebie's advice enough to produce a climax.

You should have taken some meth to lower your inhibitions.

(Too soon?)


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 6:06 PM
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I'm gonna go with "kinda".


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 6:11 PM
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Fair enough.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 6:12 PM
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I won't know the outcome of the meeting soon. But it was interesting to see that the billionaire wore no socks.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 6:12 PM
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I'm disappointed we didn't get a pervy yoga pants story. Life just keeps finding ways of letting me down.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 6:16 PM
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316 seems like a reasonable enough request.

Also, Sir Kraab, I missed the context on why you wanted out of Dodge, but congrats on the new job.


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324 to 323.


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325: People need a reason to leave Texas?


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323: did he wear pants?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 6:22 PM
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Halford, did you get the $35 travel candle or the $65 home candle? I like Joe Malone and wish I had less to lose because I'd like to go and shoplift about five of those candles.


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329 was me. I'm not really going to go shoplifting.


Posted by: mcmc | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 6:28 PM
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329 was me. I'm not really going to go shoplifting. and I meant Jo.


Posted by: mcmc | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 6:29 PM
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Dammit.


Posted by: mcmc | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 6:29 PM
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Guess now you're really going shoplifting!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 6:32 PM
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It was some kind of 90 dollar super candle, not travel size. I was thinking about wearing the pigeon mask to this Christmas event at my kid's school, but I chickened out and it's still on my desk.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 6:34 PM
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I am going to have to stop reading this until the girls are asleep, because I can't stop giggling and snorting about the pigeon mask. But please, Halford, tell us more. Was the person buying for you as unsure as you were about the yoga pants? Did everyone envy you?


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 6:37 PM
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For added realism you could smear the outside of the pigeon mask with hipstoplasma capsulatum.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 6:41 PM
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Delighted to hear about the pigeon mask! I texted my significant other immediately to share the news.


Posted by: honigessig | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 6:45 PM
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I think most were confused and disturbed by the pigeon mask.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 6:47 PM
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the billionaire wore no socks

You checked all three places?


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 6:51 PM
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Hey, I have to buy a CD for an office music exchange for a boomer-age cow-orker. I think he's into 60s and 70s rock, but this should be something new-ish. Ideas?


Posted by: Bave | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 6:52 PM
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340: Frampton's Still Alive.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 6:54 PM
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The new Earthless album.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 6:55 PM
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340: Gary Clark Jr. or Wolfmother


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 7:00 PM
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340: There's a Humble Pie Fillmore Concert remix a good friend of mine did that's getting good reviews, though I haven't actually heard it yet. It costs more like 30 bucks, though, at which point you might as well get a pigeon mask and pretend you misunderstood the rules.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 7:01 PM
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340: The latest Dr. Dog record.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 7:02 PM
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It's not new, really, but I listened to this XCing on Sunday, and it's a great soundtrack while you're doing something else. This isn't "new" either, but covers are fun. The PERRO sessions are a great treat too, and I see that they're not actually released, but you can find them. Your oldster might not have downloaded them.


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I haven't listenef to it, but what about the DBs reunion album: http://thesonginmyheadtoday.blogspot.com/2012/12/my-top-ten-albums-of-2012-is-this-year.html


Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 7:21 PM
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For $90, that candle better be made with real opium.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 7:30 PM
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Black Keys.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 7:32 PM
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I though opium was Black Tar.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 7:33 PM
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No, that's heroin.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 7:34 PM
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Teo's got it right. Just get the guy some heroin.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 7:37 PM
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Ha. This morning I read a post on a fragrance blog about how spending $100 on a single candle is actually a better value than spending $100 on three $30 candles, and I thought, who on earth spends $100 on candles, regardless of whether you get one or three? And now I know.


Posted by: jms | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 7:37 PM
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But is it a better value than spending $90 on three $30 candles?


Posted by: opinionated consumer advocate | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 7:40 PM
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You could get candles at the 99 cent store.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 7:40 PM
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Does the pigeon mask smell nice?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 7:43 PM
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Now I am tempted to buy marijuana candles for my super-conservative friend who works for DOD. I wonder if that would be the last straw that ends the friendship?


Posted by: torrey pine | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 7:50 PM
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Marijuana-scented candles sound silly to me. If you want a place to smell like marijuana, there are better ways.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 7:55 PM
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Well, hey, same with Opium. Which genuinely does smell lovely.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 7:56 PM
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354: That depends on your relative marginal utilities for candle stank and storage space.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 7:59 PM
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356: Does the pigeon mask smell nice?

You think they bothered to build in an olfactory function?


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 8:09 PM
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358: Tell that to super-conservative DOD friend.


Posted by: torrey pine | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 8:21 PM
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torrey pine, I don't think anyone gave you any advice about your actual job, but I love your turn toward being the most subtle supervillain ever!


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 9:38 PM
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It would be funny if I actually caused DOD friend to lose his security clearance, and then ended up on some FBI watch list, all because of some novelty scented candles.


Posted by: torrey pine | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 9:58 PM
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364: I also like your sense of humor! But would your friend recognize the scent? Would he (and maybe if I don't assume "he" this becomes more likely) actually burn the candles? I bought Lee some hemp shampoo and conditioner with pot leaf icins as a joke years ago but then made her get rid of them in case a caseworker ever looked in the shower. (The conditioner was excellent but the shampoo was nothing special; I was tempted to pick some up last time I was at the beauty supply store.)


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365: Idiot, there's a gendered pronoun in the conment you're referring to, so paty attention!


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 10:08 PM
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Wait, there are fragrance blogs?


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 10:23 PM
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I guess that's no more surprising than $100 candles.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 10:27 PM
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Nah, I'm pretty sure he'd just throw the candles out. At this point, he regards pretty much everything I suggest with suspicion. It's great.


Posted by: torrey pine | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 10:28 PM
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Although he might appreciate the utility of a non-gendered pronoun in this discussion.


Posted by: torrey pine | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 10:31 PM
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So mandles are definitely out.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 10:34 PM
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Mandom is still a possibility, though.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 10:35 PM
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He might not even recognize the irony.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 12-18-13 10:36 PM
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I wonder if there are candles bloggers who are just in it to get free candles.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 12-19-13 4:19 AM
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I have just started swimming again. Loved it. The other swimmers mocked me bc I was out of shape and at the end of the lane.

But, shame and humiliation is an important part of exercise.


Posted by: will | Link to this comment | 12-20-13 7:40 AM
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shame and humiliation is an important part of candles


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-20-13 7:43 AM
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We certainly all know the scent of shame and humiliation.


Posted by: will | Link to this comment | 12-20-13 8:04 AM
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377: Chlorine?


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 12-20-13 8:39 AM
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Oh man yeah when they have to clean the floors after you pooped on 'em and everything just has this bleach odor the rest of the day and you can't play with your transformers because they need to be sterilized and

oh no you guys were talking about something else I see carry on.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 12-20-13 8:41 AM
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268: Like so many things, warfarin dosing is like piloting a dirigible: the effects of dose changes take a while to kick in. Presumably your doctors know this, and won't give you 5mg, check you the next day, and bump it to 7, only to find by the weekend that your blood has the viscosity of ethyl alcohol. In addition, people react very differently to the drug, so a small, frail person might need more than a big, hearty one, etc. So be prepared for them to be calibrating for a while.

Yes, that looks like the game we're in except we have not gotten to the over-prescribing part yet. But my freaking INR is still only 1.2. Off the heparin IV and on Lovenox so may be able to be discharged in a day or so and complete the bridging at home. Although I don't relish doing the inject in your stomach fat thing. (Was gratified the both nurses who have given me the shot/demonstrated how I would do it got my Pulp Fiction references: "That needle looks like what you'd use when Barbie ODs," and "So that's where I draw the circle in red magic marker.")

Other than that I feel fucking great--best in weeks. Lost 10 lbs. (portion size control and no snacks FTW), but as I remarked to my wife when she encouragingly opined, "Sure doesn't look it;" it's the exact opposite of the good muscle-building weight loss. Eat less, exercise less...


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 12-20-13 8:47 AM
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. . . may be able to be discharged in a day or so and complete the bridging at home.

Good luck on the continuing recovery. That sounds not fun (but not as bad as it could be).


Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 12-20-13 9:25 AM
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"So that's where I draw the circle in red magic marker."

Heh. Best wishes on being titrated. Hope you get out soon.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 12-20-13 9:38 AM
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Glad your health is improving and your spirits are up, Stormcrow!


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 12-20-13 9:52 AM
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380. You may be on the tail of the curve like me in terms of warfarin efficacy. Don't want to distress you but it took them 10 days to get my INR stabilised, and I'm stuck on heroic doses forever. The surgeon came and said, "The trouble with you is, you're a resistant rat."


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 12-20-13 10:46 AM
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On the plus side, you can directly experience what d-Con tastes like.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 12-20-13 10:57 AM
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383: And I'm finally penetrating a "newer" Pynchon--just could not suspend visceral annoyance withAgainst the Day but doing better with Mason and Dixon.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 12-20-13 11:35 AM
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