Re: Breast-free

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Hott!


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 02-22-14 7:34 AM
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I wouldn't care that much.


Posted by: dz | Link to this comment | 02-22-14 7:34 AM
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Put me down for moderate plus.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02-22-14 7:39 AM
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Moderation in pursuit of vice is a virtue.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02-22-14 7:47 AM
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And that's heebiephilia, not hebephilia, officer.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 02-22-14 7:48 AM
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...were you attached to a woman who decided to forego reconstructive surgery?

Went looking for the quote from Don Lope in Tristana
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Would the excess skin be left or removed?

Never much cared about tits, and the love of my life was a 32 B or something. As a leg man, the Tristana thing might bother me.

I remember a line from Promises in the Dark
"Well?" How does it look?"
"Abbreviated"

Hmm. Maybe I should have thought more about amputees when I was young, I do seem to have an interest. Off to google!

twisty posted her pictures, and she looked fine.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 02-22-14 7:48 AM
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Boobs are great, and all, but it would be silly to make them a priority. If you love someone, you will still be attracted to them as their body changes.


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 02-22-14 7:57 AM
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were you attached to a woman who decided to forego reconstructive surgery?

No, handcuffs don't really do it for me.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 02-22-14 8:00 AM
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Missed opportunity to title this post "No Titties, Hooray!"


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 02-22-14 8:02 AM
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7: What if their body turns into Hitler?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02-22-14 8:07 AM
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These aren't the boobs you're looking for.
He can go about his business.
Move along.


Posted by: Turgid Jacobian | Link to this comment | 02-22-14 8:15 AM
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Hmm, I was going to post this in the sports thread, but it now seems more appropriate for this one. Because patriarchy. From a Dave Zirin interview with Wade Davis (an out former NFler who heads an organization called "You Can Play") 'Men Aren't Used to the Prospect of Being Objectified': Wade Davis on Michael Sam and Homophobia in the NFL. Most guys look terrible naked, and I should know. And, straight guys look too... there's a perception that straight guys don't check out other guys' penises, and that's a lie.

Comports with my locker room experience. And I'm sure straight women do so with other women. And somehow I'm pretending that is potentially relevant to the post.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 02-22-14 8:17 AM
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Speaking of things you're not supposed to check out: part of the drop-off routine is that all the three year olds use the potty. So if you're on the same time schedule as another parent, you will see that kid's junk. Or help the kid use the potty, if the parent needed to duck out and the teachers are occupied, etc.

Anyway, there is a bigger range of three year old penises than I would have guessed.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 02-22-14 8:20 AM
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13: We desperately need a longitudinal study.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 02-22-14 8:24 AM
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I'm sure straight women do so with other women.

Straight women check out other women's penises? The women's locker room is stranger than I thought.


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 02-22-14 8:29 AM
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I'd miss them. But never say anything, not even to you people.


Posted by: You Can Guess | Link to this comment | 02-22-14 8:32 AM
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In the event, I'm sure they would.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 02-22-14 8:32 AM
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The women's locker room is stranger than I thought.

"You cannot conceive, nor can I, of the appalling strangeness of the mercy of God.ladies locker room"


Posted by: Turgid Jacobian | Link to this comment | 02-22-14 8:33 AM
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While 7 is correct, I agree with 16.


Posted by: President Scroob | Link to this comment | 02-22-14 8:36 AM
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Honesty, hooray!


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 02-22-14 8:43 AM
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On the veldt, women could attract mates with either honesty or boobs.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02-22-14 9:00 AM
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Back then, honesty had nipples.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02-22-14 9:10 AM
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22: but not in a way we can understand. Because anime.


Posted by: Turgid Jacobian | Link to this comment | 02-22-14 9:10 AM
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I would miss them terribly. But 7 is right.


Posted by: Nope | Link to this comment | 02-22-14 9:27 AM
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The idea of getting foreign material surgically implanted in my body freaks me out, so I think I would forgo. But I also think I'd still look natural and attractive in an androgynous kind of way because I'm very thin. If I had much in the way of hips I might be more torn.

I'd be mad as hell if my partner demanded implants though.


Posted by: L. | Link to this comment | 02-22-14 9:47 AM
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What if your heart was beating with a dangerous arrhythmia and your partner was sexually attracted to a consistent heart beat?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02-22-14 10:07 AM
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I will push back against 7 in that partner love and persistent sexy-time generating attraction can tragically come apart in my experience. Though this claim is orthogonal to non-boobality, which I think I'm down with.


Posted by: El Presidente | Link to this comment | 02-22-14 10:14 AM
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I've been thinking about this the last few days, perhaps because of the prior post.

My wife's very well-endowed, a source of pleasure for both of us. But I've never had it high on my list in the abstract.

Speaking abstractly, in a hypothetical sense, I would not want breasts reconstructed for me, only if the woman really needed it for self image. It seems to me the essential difference due to mastectomy would be presence/absence of nipples. In their absence I'd be touching skin over a larger area, encompassing, caressing, I think. From there everything would depend on reaction and response.


Posted by: Idp | Link to this comment | 02-22-14 10:18 AM
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They now offer a nipple-sparing mastectomy, so reconstructed breasts no longer look so odd. In a lot of ways, my decision was easier in 2001, when reconstructed breasts were more frankenstein.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 02-22-14 10:22 AM
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This topic is my sole reservation. I wonder if I can get Jammies to quantify where he falls on the spectrum of 7 to 16.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 02-22-14 10:26 AM
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I suspect it's really hard to know how you're going to react in advance.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 02-22-14 10:30 AM
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Yes. I will admit that I was assuming yes to nipples.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 02-22-14 10:31 AM
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Yeah. You can change your mind and get implants later on, but then you've missed your chance to keep your nipples.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 02-22-14 10:35 AM
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A friend's mother (who is now deceased) had her foot amputated a few years ago, and he was surprised how unsettling he found it.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 02-22-14 10:38 AM
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I'm presuming 34 means in a non-sexual way.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 02-22-14 10:40 AM
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Well, yes. I certainly hope so.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 02-22-14 10:41 AM
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My mother had that laser cataract surgery a couple of years ago, and her eyes were good enough for awhile that she didn't need to use glasses anymore. That was really pretty unsettling, given that she's worn glasses my whole life. (I guess it was temporary though? So now she wears glasses again.)


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 02-22-14 10:48 AM
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Does the nipple-sparing surgery retain feeling in the nipples? It's really hard for me to know what my feelings would be in advance, but it seems to me that the loss of nipples would be a bigger deal sexually than the loss of the breast shape.


Posted by: Unfoggetarian: "Pause endlessly, then go in" (9) | Link to this comment | 02-22-14 11:00 AM
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I think it varies wildly across individuals and time. They are trying to get rid of as much tissue as possible, while retaining enough blood supply to keep them alive. (We do have people here who can speak to this, better than I.)


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 02-22-14 11:05 AM
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My answer assumed nipple loss, which will probably continue to be necessary in some cases. Best outcome of course would amount to a breast reduction, but I doubt that will be universal.

Breasts, however beautiful and satisfying, are secondary.


Posted by: Idp | Link to this comment | 02-22-14 11:25 AM
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Yeah, I think I'd be sad to lose my nipples (or to keep them without sensation), so after that, I could probably do without the fleshy bits. I don't fancy the idea of implants really (though might be different if faced with the reality!) - could see myself using those solid bras (whatever the proper word is) and might be fun to experiment with different looks, but would rather just be me underneath it.


Posted by: asilon | Link to this comment | 02-22-14 11:49 AM
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Speaking from experience, I'd be initially put off by anxiety about hurting my partner after surgery. Then I'd get used to it.


Posted by: biohazard | Link to this comment | 02-22-14 12:05 PM
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Does the nipple-sparing surgery retain feeling in the nipples?

No, except for very, very few people. And it sucks.


Posted by: Owner | Link to this comment | 02-22-14 12:13 PM
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I'm presuming 34 means in a non-sexual way.

Well, yes. I certainly hope so.

I love having my feet massaged and fondled, and my toes sucked. This would be a major loss for me, in a sexual way!


Posted by: Owner | Link to this comment | 02-22-14 12:24 PM
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44: I think the hope was because of the part about it being his feelings toward his mother.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02-22-14 12:54 PM
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This is an issue I've been fretting about, probably prematurely. I have a family history of breast cancer (paternal grandmother and great grandmother). I've also watched two close friends go through treatment for breast cancer in the past few years. I've been putting off any kind of genetic testing because I honestly don't know how I'd handle a positive result. I, personally, can't imagine living without breasts (which makes me feel like a horrible feminist), and if I lost my nipples, or lost sensation in my nipples, I suspect that my enjoyment of sexy times would be severely compromised.


Posted by: J, Robot | Link to this comment | 02-22-14 1:00 PM
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Regarding reconstruction, I was allowed to fondle both of my friends (this is a group that encourages fondling anyway, which I love and miss about them since we've all scattered across the globe post-grad school & medical residencies). I don't know if things have changed with time, but their new breasts felt much firmer and less pleasingly squishy than natural breasts. They looked great, though I found the lack of nipple disorienting. If I had a mastectomy I wouldn't risk keeping my nipples, and I wouldn't bother with nipple implants, but I would definitely go with nipple tattoos.

[Of course, I fully support women who forgo reconstruction, and I wish that we're something I felt more comfortable embracing as a possible future option for myself, should I ever have breast cancer.]

Oh, I do crochet fairly cute breast forms, should anyone require them. (People who "require" them for non-prospective purposes need to pay for them, though.)


Posted by: J, Robot | Link to this comment | 02-22-14 1:58 PM
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Prospective s/b prosthetic.


Posted by: J, Robot | Link to this comment | 02-22-14 1:58 PM
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I think I'd be inclined to wear the silicone things in my bra.

My aunt had a mastectomy of one breast after a lumpectomy failed. I think I would find it hard to walk around with one breast but not the other.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 02-22-14 2:14 PM
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It's supposed to make archery easier.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02-22-14 2:19 PM
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It's supposed to make archery easier.

If you're a full-figured huntress who likes to roam the Central Asian steppes or maybe somewhere in North Africa, try the new Playtex Cross-Your-Bow Bra!


Posted by: OPINIONATED JANE RUSSELL FROM THE '80s | Link to this comment | 02-22-14 2:33 PM
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Look, they can't all be Grade-A material.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 02-22-14 2:34 PM
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49. My mother likewise had a one sided mastectomy, but she seemed to adjust fairly easily. She went the padded bra route, said that she'd had enough invasive treatment, thank you very much.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 02-22-14 3:26 PM
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My grandmother's only had one breast for almost 30 years now, though she mostly wears a filled bra. To the OP, I thought all the women in the photos I saw were as attractive as anyone else. I don't think I'd have a hard time with a partner making that choice. In some ways it might be emotionally/mentaly easier than dealing with reconstruction.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 02-22-14 6:03 PM
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I have a friend who used to be a Christian Scientist whose best friend's wife just died. She was only 38, and they have a 6 year-old adopted child. What's so hard for my friend is that they didn't use any medicine. Maybe she would have died anyway, but it's still a tough situation to support someone through. He doesn't know what killed her; Christian Scientists don't like to talk about their ailments. It's a sign of how close they were that he knew she was sick at all.

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Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 02-22-14 8:52 PM
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I'd prefer reconstruction, because titties hooray, but if my partner wasn't into it I'm sure I would adjust, and I wouldn't be pushy about it because I'm not a dick. In the big picture I'd honestly be more worried that my partner feel sexy than anything else, both because I care that she feels good and because sex is better when you both feel confident in your attractiveness.

In the end of the day relief at having dodged a bullet would overwhelm everything else.


Posted by: togolosh | Link to this comment | 02-23-14 8:13 AM
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Maybe it'll be one of those things like how un-endowed men double-down in the bedroom to compensate and become great lovers. I'll become creative and adventurous.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 02-23-14 8:23 AM
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Also Jammies and I were chatting about this thread yesterday, and he was like "of course I'll miss them, but if I were you there would be no way in hell I'd get implants" which is a very convincingly supportive thing to say.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 02-23-14 8:25 AM
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Of course you could get sexy cover-up tattoos, like maybe those nude outline ladies truckers put on their mudflaps.


Posted by: togolosh | Link to this comment | 02-23-14 8:30 AM
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Or two big eyes.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 02-23-14 9:20 AM
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With really high, surprised eyebrows. Perpetually shocked.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 02-23-14 9:26 AM
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Or a pair of headlights


Posted by: Turgid Jacobian | Link to this comment | 02-23-14 9:32 AM
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60, 61: perhaps Frank Sidebottom.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 02-23-14 9:35 AM
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Pair of fuzzy dice?


Posted by: Turgid Jacobian | Link to this comment | 02-23-14 9:35 AM
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Great big sunglasses?


Posted by: Turgid Jacobian | Link to this comment | 02-23-14 9:36 AM
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Would look even better lower down and on a woman.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 02-23-14 9:37 AM
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What about that drawing of a guy peeking over a wall, so that his nose hangs over? Sort of a standard middle school sketch. Maybe that's better suited for a man.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 02-23-14 9:41 AM
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Kilroy.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 02-23-14 9:44 AM
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Is that your way of volunteering?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 02-23-14 9:46 AM
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Two chocolate chip cookies?


Posted by: torrey pine | Link to this comment | 02-23-14 9:58 AM
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I asked C and he said that if the normal sensation was no longer there, then what would be the point of implants? That he wouldn't be particularly interested in them if they didn't DO anything.

And then we moved onto wondering about buttockectomies.

Tattoos seem good though - I found the blankness in those photos the oddest thing, not the flatness.


Posted by: asilon | Link to this comment | 02-23-14 10:09 AM
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And then we moved onto wondering about buttockectomies.

OK if you never want to walk again.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 02-23-14 10:15 AM
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I think you should just get tattoos of two breasts. You know, with nipples and realistic shading.


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 02-23-14 10:32 AM
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Omg, I just found a $1200 check from right after Ace was born that I stuck in the wrong spot and never deposited. Void after 90 days. I feel practically sick to my stomach.

(I photo-deposited but I doubt that will actually work.)


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 02-23-14 10:39 AM
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I'm sorry to learn you may pay such a penalty for the change due to motherhood in your memory and attention. Doesn't help that it's temporary.

In many relationships the woman looks after certain details, and with the first child those just get dropped without a trace. Happened to us.


Posted by: Idp | Link to this comment | 02-23-14 11:02 AM
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71.last - That's my first impression, too. I think tats would definitely make a big difference. I was ready to be sort of bothered by the images, but really they just look like people. One thing that did seem odd to me was the degree of scarring. I really thought they could do better than that these days.


Posted by: togolosh | Link to this comment | 02-23-14 11:08 AM
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74: Just means that piece of paper is void. If it's not a personal check, you can probably ask to have it reissued, since a business' records would show it hasn't been deposited. (The boyfriend tends to put papers away when he cleans, and if they're not out on a counter, I forget they exist.)


Posted by: ydnew | Link to this comment | 02-23-14 11:12 AM
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I do have tats planned, for the record. A ring of kittens running circles around my torso, like one of those moving picture devices with the slits from the 1800s.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 02-23-14 11:13 AM
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77: ok, good point. It's from Heebie U, reimbursing me for a bunch of purchases I made on their behalf. I'm slightly worried that it's from last fiscal year, though.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 02-23-14 11:14 AM
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78 That just cries out for the full Lord Beresford treatment.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 02-23-14 11:22 AM
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73: Once you do that, you could do the fully lego treatment and also tattoo a skinnier curvier body on your body. http://www.hypable.com/2014/02/23/pieces-what-the-lego-movie-taught-me-about-toys-and-equality/


Posted by: Unfoggetarian: "Pause endlessly, then go in" (9) | Link to this comment | 02-23-14 11:33 AM
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78: So with a correctly times strobe you can pirouette and it will look like they are scampering around!


Posted by: togolosh | Link to this comment | 02-23-14 11:35 AM
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Exactly! A human zoetrope.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 02-23-14 11:44 AM
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You could get a magic eye tattoo of breasts there. Be sure to have some invisible ones done with the blacklight-active ink.


Posted by: Turgid Jacobian | Link to this comment | 02-23-14 11:48 AM
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71: if the normal sensation was no longer there, then what would be the point of implants? That he wouldn't be particularly interested in them if they didn't DO anything.

Has this thread wandered yet into the question of nipple sensitivity in men? That is, some men get all titillated (heh) by stimulation of their nipples, and some just ... don't. In my own view, it's nice if they do, but it's fine if they don't.

I'd been thinking yesterday with regard to this thread that the same line of thinking would be true for women: you got nipple turn-on-ification? Great. You don't? Okay, we'll move on to the other things.

This doesn't address a woman's sheer missing of the nipple turn-on-ification; I gather from this thread that nipple sensitivity can rarely be preserved.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 02-23-14 1:02 PM
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I'm surprised by how many people in this thread are saying they would care. Not like I don't enjoy my girlfriend's boobs when we have sex, but in their absence I would just pay attention to/appreciate some other pleasant sex characteristic.


Posted by: dz | Link to this comment | 02-23-14 2:50 PM
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86 see 20 (16) and 58


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 02-23-14 3:44 PM
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Former gf had a "nipple-sparing" mastectomy, meaning that the surgeons removed the nipple and areola and sewed it back on afterwards. No normal sensation left, which can be a big deal depending on how much it figures into your sexual response. If you already have issues around sex, as we did during the precipitous decline of her libido, it may exacerbate things. If not, great.

if the normal sensation was no longer there, then what would be the point of implants?

Contributors to online discussions about this often stress the potential psychological benefit of maintaining something like your pre-mastectomy appearance. Following major surgery that may change your sense of self (and your sexual response), you may take comfort in not having people stare at your now-boobless self, or even in just being able to put on clothes you like and still having them fit the same way. Maybe not—lots of women do just fine without reconstruction—but it's worth considering.


Posted by: President Somebody | Link to this comment | 02-23-14 4:21 PM
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88.2 That wasn't me asking, that was my male partner saying that he wouldn't want to fondle breasts that didn't provide much/any sexual pleasure for the breast-owner. That it would have as much point as rubbing someone's elbow.

I certainly understand the desire to 'look normal'.


Posted by: asilon | Link to this comment | 02-23-14 4:35 PM
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And god almighty, I hate the word boobs.


Posted by: asilon | Link to this comment | 02-23-14 4:37 PM
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I wonder if Beyond the Valley of the Dolls is on Netflix. For no reason at all, I wonder this.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02-23-14 4:47 PM
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90: So this is probably not asilon's favorite Fugs song.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 02-23-14 4:59 PM
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89.1 was the Dwarf Lord's response, too, although he then thought of his fine collection of Bakelite knobs and pots that aren't connected to anything, not my elbow.


Posted by: clew | Link to this comment | 02-24-14 9:53 PM
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