Re: Hard-hitting journalism

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Is Vox flat, one wonders.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 03-24-14 1:12 PM
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You display a sad lack of faith in the potential for disruptive innovation enabled through the application of strategic dynamism.


Posted by: AcademicLurker | Link to this comment | 03-24-14 1:13 PM
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The auto industry would not be the same in this country if it were not for Paleolithic inventors.


Posted by: dalriata | Link to this comment | 03-24-14 1:18 PM
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I hadn't realised it was going to be video led. I wonder if that's just a launch thing (GE is prominently sponsoring the launch and has a video ad at the start of each story video, so maybe they're just accommodating that commercial imperative).


Posted by: Ginger Yellow | Link to this comment | 03-24-14 1:30 PM
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2: On twitter, Ayesha Siddiqui is wondering whether "trolling" is just "disruption" without VC.


Posted by: k-sky | Link to this comment | 03-24-14 1:32 PM
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3: YOUR JOKE IS WRONG. The wheel was a neolithic invention.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 03-24-14 1:36 PM
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Once the annoying music stopped, I didn't hate the interview all that much.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 03-24-14 1:36 PM
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On the one hand, people, in the aggregate, have more stuff and live longer. On the other hand, the technological understanding of being has so far eclipsed all other modes of intelligibility that we cannot even make out the call of our murdered gods clearly enough to mourn their absence.


Posted by: Heidegger | Link to this comment | 03-24-14 1:38 PM
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The article is just silly. Everyone knows the greatest Chinese invention is xiaolongbao.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 03-24-14 1:39 PM
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I'm hoping 7 will be used as a blurb in Vox's advertising.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 03-24-14 1:39 PM
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Great recipe for content without paying anybody -- just call up people who wrote the book you're reading and ask them a bunch of random questions. It pays in exposure!


Posted by: PGD | Link to this comment | 03-24-14 1:39 PM
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8: SHUT UP, MARTY! GOD, SOMETIMES I WISH YOU'D JUST STAY AT THAT GODDAMNED CABIN! MY FRIENDS WILL BE HERE FOR DINNER IN TEN MINUTES AND I DON'T WANT YOU RUINING EVERYTHING WITH YOUR MUMBLING CIRCULARITIES ABOUT "CLEARING" THIS AND "EC-STATIC" THAT.


Posted by: OPINIONATED MRS. HEIDEGGER ON THE NEW CBS SITCOM "Fridays in Freiburg" | Link to this comment | 03-24-14 1:43 PM
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Wait, there was video here? I guess adblock took care of that for me?


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 03-24-14 1:52 PM
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I've been mildly worried ("worried") that the new Vox/538/etc. would mean that there was more good internet to read every day and that I would get even less work done as a result (presumably somehow managing to get actual negative work done). It's been a relief to realize that this is very unlikely to turn out to be the case.


Posted by: brodysattva | Link to this comment | 03-24-14 1:58 PM
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4: I tweeted, annoyed at their first video, and they said it was until they got the full site running.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 03-24-14 2:03 PM
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Neb only posted this to prove that he still knows how to work the blog despite his age-onset dementia.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 03-24-14 2:22 PM
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I tried to watch and first a 20 second ad played showing all the cool things GE does and I thought that was the entire answer to the question. Electricity! Plastics! Isn't industry great!


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 03-24-14 2:24 PM
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From the linked piece: "Pretty much the only place you can look at and see a negative trend is with some global environmental measures. The amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere going up and we all know what that's been doing to the climate."

Yeah, some. Pretty much. I'm aware that calling something "one of the stupidest fucking things I've ever read" is typical hyperbolic, weak-ass imprecise criticism of the kind that makes up half of the Internet, but that is seriously one of the stupidest fucking things I have ever read.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 03-24-14 2:43 PM
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14: Silver just hired a climate change denialist as 538's science correspondent. I am so fucking pissed.


Posted by: togolosh | Link to this comment | 03-24-14 3:29 PM
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Well maybe if the climate change scientists would just take a look at some data...


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 03-24-14 3:34 PM
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YOUR JOKE IS WRONG. The wheel was a neolithic invention.

I was going with the invention being the concept of tools, not wheels. They're usually useful for making cars (which are coincidentally also tools! We truly owe the inventors of the stone age so much.). But what do you know? You probably don't even use authentic artisanal stone tools when you hunt your aurochs.


Posted by: dalriata | Link to this comment | 03-24-14 3:38 PM
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The new 538 has been remarkably sucky. A hell of a lot worse than the NYT 538. Also amusing, sort of, is his feud with Krugman and the news that the one NYT columnist he thinks is good is Douthat.


Posted by: teraz kurwa my | Link to this comment | 03-24-14 3:38 PM
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19: Maybe they're just setting him up for season two when he does a heel-face turn?


Posted by: dalriata | Link to this comment | 03-24-14 3:39 PM
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Last year there wasn't a single declared interstate war.

What about I-80 vs I-35? I lost a lot of good buddies face down in the muck in that war!


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 03-24-14 3:48 PM
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22.last: Yes, the Douthat reveal was quite surprising to me.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 03-24-14 3:49 PM
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24: The Great Des Moines Jello Salad Massacre made Stalingrad look like a Sunday school picnic.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 03-24-14 3:52 PM
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Short Vox: The world, so much wow!


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 03-24-14 4:00 PM
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My naive hope is that Peak Oil will put a stop to Global Climate Change and then nothing bad will ever happen to the environment again.


Posted by: Todd | Link to this comment | 03-24-14 4:18 PM
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Once all the humans were wasteful, not green
But that could never happen again.
They taught themselves a lesson in twenty fourteen,
And they've hardly bothered things since then.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 03-24-14 4:30 PM
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I don't understand why they're doing a trickle-around launch at Vox rather than just posting nothing until they're closer to a major launch.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 03-24-14 4:30 PM
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19 helps keep the media diet small, clearly the entire enterprise is pernicious. The "take down" linked to is the more effective in being polite. Also points out the UoC connection.


Posted by: dairy queen | Link to this comment | 03-24-14 4:37 PM
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I read a few stories in the new 538's "life" section and they seemed like cases of "my numbers, let me show you them; also blah blah something something toilet paper Shakespeare this is clever you guys lol". But maybe I'm being uncharitable.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 03-24-14 4:42 PM
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I've been ok with the new 538, but mostly because I like pretty graphs, regardless of what they are about. Also, I didn't read the climate change article because I could tell from the headline it was trolling.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 03-24-14 4:45 PM
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So Immersat apparently relied on doppler effects to narrow down the path of the jet. I see how that works to a degree (narrowing down the relative velocity between the plane and the satllite), but if the satellite is truly geostationary it seems that there would still be symmetric northern path analogue to the southern path. I know the satellites can move slightly relative to the Earth in normal operations, but I would have thought that would be too small of an effect to be relevant--but maybe it was enough.

Or maybe the sensors have some other minor directional effects (but they keep mentioning doppler).
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Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 03-24-14 5:22 PM
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Yeah, I'm confused too. The Telegraph has a good article (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/10719304/How-British-satellite-company-Inmarsat-tracked-down-MH370.html) that makes it clear that initially the Doppler data did just give two more specific symmetric routes. It doesn't make clear how the southern route was determined other than by comparing it with Doppler data for similar flight.

(Which raises the question: where the hell were those similar flights going? Is this how you'd fly to South Africa?)


Posted by: Unfoggetarian: "Pause endlessly, then go in" (9) | Link to this comment | 03-24-14 5:56 PM
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18 gets it right, though I must say that the entire piece is one of the stupidest fucking things I have ever read. It's appalling in a confusing way: what is going on? Why is this of value? I thought Vox was to be data-driven in some way, or at least an explainy sort of place. That thing reads like David Brooks will *love* it.

Also, the blurb at the bottom of the leading video says "For now, follow us on the social medias." Medias. Yep.

(/frown)


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 03-24-14 6:06 PM
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Guys, there is something really weird in that linked interview.

According to the transcript, Kenney says:

The amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere going up & we all know what that's been doing to the climate

But if you actually listen to the video, he says:

Carbon dioxide output has been rising very dramatically, and we've got a serious problem with climate change on the horizon.

Bizarre. I can't immediately spot any other parts of the transcript with that kind of discrepancy.


Posted by: Witt | Link to this comment | 03-24-14 6:24 PM
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Kenny. In my defense, there is a local councilman named Kenney.


Posted by: Witt | Link to this comment | 03-24-14 6:25 PM
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35.last: I can't get anything that would be a real flight to follow that trajectory on the Great Circle Mapper. Perth to South Africa go through that area but on quite different headings and NZ/Eastern Australia flights generally go even south of that*.

*The NZ ones (if there are any) would surely come closer to passing over Antarctica of any remotely probable regularly-scheduled non-Antarctic flights.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 03-24-14 6:27 PM
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Although just tried Singapore to Santiago Chile (pretty sure not a flight) and it would go close to that route (and probably cross part of Antarctica).


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 03-24-14 6:29 PM
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Do they actually have the website designed so that the only way to find all of their articles is to scroll to the bottom of each page, one by one, and click "next video"? Or is there a hidden table of contents or something somewhere?


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 03-24-14 6:29 PM
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That Great Circle Mapper is pretty awesome. Are there flights that do the south polar route? From the map it looks like South America (Sao Paolo, Buenos Aires) to Australia or South Africa to Tahiti would do it.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 03-24-14 6:37 PM
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35, 39: Would you have to compare against the same satellite, or could you compare Doppler data against a similar geostationary satellite and an airplane flying on a route in a similar relative position, someplace where such a route would make sense?


Posted by: Spole | Link to this comment | 03-24-14 6:41 PM
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The boyfriend (who is pretty interested in all things aviation) tells me that although the Great Circle maximizes distance you can travel, many routes don't necessarily follow it. He suspects there's a Malaysia-Australia (Kuala Lumpur to Perth?) route that looks similar, at least in terms of the Doppler shift. He was thinking also that the flight's actual signals can be compared to the route the flight should have followed (which would have known data) to get a match to the Doppler or not.


Posted by: ydnew | Link to this comment | 03-24-14 6:50 PM
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41: Presumably that's an interim thing. But the whole thing, or at least the launch, is sponsored by GE, which really has creepazoid written all over it.

I confess myself to be really surprised. I listened to 30 seconds of Ezra's voice explaining over a bunch of introductory nationalistic, capitalist, GE-style images that the news doesn't give us what we want, and all I could think was Wow: Greenwald's new thing is probably more likely to be of value.

But we'll see. Klein's ambitious, I'll give him that.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 03-24-14 6:51 PM
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43: Yes, did have that thought as well.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 03-24-14 6:52 PM
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37: Didn't one of the language/linguistics bloggers have a series of posts about how journalists routinely get direct quotations wrong even when there's video or audio evidence easily available showing that they're wrong? This isn't a defense, just something that may not be unusual but which doesn't get noticed unless you're paying close attention or looking for discrepancies.

Like neb, I didn't even know there was a video. But I read the link on the phone so it might not play in the mobile view at all.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 03-24-14 7:36 PM
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47: Yeah, except it's odd that a) the only part of the transcript that seems to be wrong is the one dealing with a controversial topic, and b) it's wrong in the direction of making the controversial statement milder.

Quite a coincidence.


Posted by: Witt | Link to this comment | 03-24-14 7:55 PM
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Well, it's not like the interview and site pre-launch is being presented with sponsorship of an energy company. I mean, that would make people wonder about the integrity of the entire venture.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 03-24-14 8:09 PM
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Medias. Yep.

That's a joke, playing off W's "the internets."


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 03-24-14 8:34 PM
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This text has been edited for clarity and length

Maybe this refers to the editing of the climate change quote?


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 03-24-14 11:08 PM
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There are a few other places where they seem to have edited the text in inexplicable ways, but most of them just remove some of the context for the remaining text. Which yet again is sort of the opposite of what Vox is allegedly supposed to be.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 03-24-14 11:10 PM
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The set of the video just screamed "We are trying to show that we are hipster journalists" to me. I kept getting distracted by the liquor bottles in the background.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 03-24-14 11:13 PM
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You know what's really fun is losing an hour of sleep to a rare middle-of-night headache.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 03-25-14 5:30 AM
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50: That's a joke, playing off W's "the internets."

Oh. Well, it needed more "Joke!" markers or something, like arrows pointing at it marked by googly-eyes. It is, sadly, a little hard to tell who's responsible for producing what at that site, whether any given thing is the work product of some corporate hack or marketing team, or is the work of someone with a sense of humor. Man, it's amazing how grumpy-making the whole thing is.


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 03-25-14 8:48 AM
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OT. My wife is a psychologist. She works in a private practive. The private practice for which she works was last year awarded the contract to do psychological evaluations on all candidates who are applying to be police officers. The city requires that all police candidates go through psychological assessments to try and help reduce the risk that the people with the official-issue guns will be complete sociopaths. The private practice for which my wife works, and my wife as worker there, have been doing these police evaluations. They were recently gathered together by the police dept.'s HR group, and given a stern lecture claiming that their evaluations have been WAY too strict. Apparently Exhibit A for this was the fact that some current police officer's nephew, who the officer swears is a good kid, failed his psych assessment. Which has ruined the poor kid's life, because he was born to be a cop. The thing is, my wife says they recommend almost all of the candidates. They fail fewer than 10% of the people they test, who (my wife claims) are for various reasons people you really do not want to put in a position of discretionary authority over other people. If anything, she thinks they should be much more strict. According to my wife, the HR people said explicitly that the department wants them to officially "recommend" ALL candidates that they test. If they have concerns about a candidate's psychological profile, they should "conditionally" recommend the candidate "with reservations". Because the department can still decide to hire someone who has been conditionally recommended, but they can't hire someone who has outright failed. And the department wants the psych assessments to inform their hiring decisions, not to interfere with them. They stated openly that if the assessments continue to not-recommend certain candidates, they will be moving this contract somewhere else. And so now my wife's boss, who owns the practice, has given her (and her colleagues) direct orders to comply with this request. She feels deeply uncomfortable with this, although they have carefully combed through the professional ethical rules governing psychologists and she thinks technically this wouldn't violate of the rules of her professional license--as long as she lists in the report all the issues she identifies, she has done her job. "Recommend with reservations" vs. "Not recommend" for a job as a police officer are not professional psychological judgments. My thought was that they should just leave off the recommendation part entirely, and do a pure psych evaluation, which they could then give to the police force to review and do whatever they want to do with it. But apparently that won't work, because having an official recommendation included as part of the report is somehow part of the requirements.


Posted by: Thomas Jefferson | Link to this comment | 03-25-14 10:32 AM
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That is some scary shit. My dad used to do that for a state capital. But I never heard of anything like this.

More evidence the world is going to hell in a hand basket.


Posted by: roger the cabin boy | Link to this comment | 03-25-14 10:51 AM
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Press for written rather than spoken instructions in this matter, at least from the contractor boss, and if at all possible from the PD.


Posted by: lw | Link to this comment | 03-25-14 10:54 AM
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And get the practice's malpractice carrier to sign off on it.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 03-25-14 10:57 AM
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Alla them policeman are cawmuniss.


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 03-25-14 10:57 AM
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I know it's a point of "journalistic ethics" that you don't run copy by sources, but does that apply to this kind of "editing for clarity"? It seems totally wrong to me to edit someone's words like that without checking with them that it gets the meaning right. But my experience is that "journalistic ethics" precisely says you should behave unethically in this way.


Posted by: Unfoggetarian: "Pause endlessly, then go in." (9) | Link to this comment | 03-25-14 2:25 PM
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59 seems like good advice.


Posted by: Thomas Jefferson | Link to this comment | 03-26-14 9:44 AM
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