Re: Guest Post - Oakland Pukers

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Double OP!


Posted by: real ffeJ annaH | Link to this comment | 04- 4-14 5:28 AM
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I don't see the Emery Go Round as being much like the tech buses. They're both business-funded, I suppose, but the EGR is free and intended for the public.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 04- 4-14 5:43 AM
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The tech money really is replacing generations of Latino families with young, rich, (mostly) white (mostly) men. I think this bubble will burst in the next year or so, and a lot of those people will leave, but the disruption has already happened. So it goes, but I would be angry at seeing my neighborhood destroyed, too.

WHAT YOU NEED IS SOME SORT OF SYSTEM TO STOP PEOPLE FROM ONE COMMUNITY MOVING INTO AN AREA DOMINATED BY ANOTHER. I HAVE SOME IDEAS THAT I'D BE HAPPY TO SHARE WITH YOU.


Posted by: Opinionated John Vorster | Link to this comment | 04- 4-14 5:52 AM
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Thanks for caring, but I'm at home puking and not in Oakland.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 4-14 6:13 AM
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Whoops! And now I'm on my iPad and it's not easy to fix. Others?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 04- 4-14 6:18 AM
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"Squirrel Hill Puker" would work for a fix.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 4-14 6:33 AM
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5: Got it.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 04- 4-14 6:53 AM
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God I am so into this. It's like someone took my unwritten (but found in fragmentary form in blog comments here) long-form essay "Ogre From Revenge of the Nerds: Progressive Hero" and made it operational. It's hard to be a theorist of the present time, but that is what I have become.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 04- 4-14 7:19 AM
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I like that you think crustpunks are your progressive allies, Mr. First-against-the-wall Halford. Also I was talking to [ SOOBC ] about how fascinatingly unrecognizable the new-school SFBA tech people are to us nerds of the old school (while allowing that the current mishigas may be, in some sense, our fault).


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 04- 4-14 7:28 AM
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Wait... are we doing this one again?


Posted by: Yawnoc | Link to this comment | 04- 4-14 7:41 AM
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If the barfers could petition Google to bus my coworkers into SF from down South, that would be just dandy.


Posted by: Yawnoc | Link to this comment | 04- 4-14 7:48 AM
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10: My thought as well.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 04- 4-14 8:21 AM
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"I don't know how you accidentally stumble into a cockfighting rally."


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 04- 4-14 8:22 AM
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10,12: Maybe this time we'll get it right.


Posted by: togolosh | Link to this comment | 04- 4-14 8:24 AM
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Say what you like about Detroit, but I bet they're all really grateful that they haven't been overrun by young rich white guys moving in to work in the area's vibrant tech industry.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 04- 4-14 8:28 AM
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A nice thing near us: I guess to get people to consider downtown part of the neighborhood, someone funded a free shuttle through downtown Oakland up to...well, it's hard to categorize where it ends. Up to the neighborhood that is part high-rises for young yups, part eerily empty Car Repair District, and then the corner of our, uh, inburb? (I know the /b/ there is a back formation like "chocoholic" but I'm vaguely amused with inburb as a way to describe a residential pocket within the city.)


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 04- 4-14 8:33 AM
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16: if only 15 had talked about Detroit's exburbs.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 04- 4-14 8:35 AM
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Also ugh. As Emma Goldman said, "if I have to puke, I don't want to be part of your revolution."


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 04- 4-14 8:38 AM
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Do you suppose the action was called a "boot and rally"?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 04- 4-14 8:41 AM
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16: I think you mean Uptown.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 04- 4-14 8:42 AM
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I don't think we should reject "supraurb" as an urban geography term of art just because it's a terrible word.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 04- 4-14 8:45 AM
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You mean "ultraurb", the villain in Avengers 2.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 04- 4-14 8:55 AM
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Villain in Avengers 2, member of Elon Musk's infosec team, or both?


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 04- 4-14 8:58 AM
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San Francisco is turning into a broburb.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 04- 4-14 8:58 AM
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Some towns in Yorkshire are rhubarburbs.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 04- 4-14 9:02 AM
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Thanks to recent legal developments, both Seattle and Boulder are now herburbs.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 04- 4-14 9:04 AM
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It's not sprawl. It's brobdingnagiburbs.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 04- 4-14 9:08 AM
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I feel like "meeting with Elon Musk's infosec team" should be a euphemism for a sex act, but which one?


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 04- 4-14 9:10 AM
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I am reading a conversation about happiness on fb including things about how happiness is a choice. How nice for everyone.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 04- 4-14 9:11 AM
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It's a child, not a happiness.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 04- 4-14 9:12 AM
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young yups

What's the name for this process, where initialisms or acronyms become words themselves and then get modified with terms that're already part of the original acronym?


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 04- 4-14 9:17 AM
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I liked the link to forced rhubarb. Thanks.


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 04- 4-14 9:25 AM
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Right now I'm writing propaganda for public-private partnerships. Kill me now.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 04- 4-14 9:36 AM
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31 back formation again, I'd say. There's some common example but I'm forgetting it. In this case, to me "yuppies" denotes people who were yuppies when the term yuppie got born (80s, we would say?), so non-young, hence the specifier.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 04- 4-14 9:41 AM
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I've drank enough fluids without puking that I can pee like a Penn student.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 4-14 9:54 AM
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I thought back-formation was when you took words and decomposed them in anetymological ways, like pease indefinite becoming peas plural. Is there a specific word for 31, besides just neologism? Re-formation?


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 04- 4-14 10:11 AM
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The common example is "ATM Machine".


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 04- 4-14 10:44 AM
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I guess "Ohio River" is somewhat similar. Or at least it will be for the few hours until teo shows up to tell me how I am wrong.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 04- 4-14 11:40 AM
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It's very common for geographical features, and particularly hydronyms, to become lexicalized. So I'd say yes, it's somewhat similar, but more understandable since an acronym should be more decomposable than a word from another language.

For that matter, the Allegheny River is the same way. (Although to the Iroquois, the Allegheny was part of the Ohio--and is still signed as such on the Allegany Indian Reservation--and our name for it comes from the Lenape.) The first Old World example I could find are the cluster of Eastern European rivers starting with D (Danube, Don, Dniestr, etc.) that all derive from PIE *dānu, which Wikipedia says is a term for river or possibly a river goddess from a root word being "flowing". (Aren't Rhine & Rhone similar?)


Posted by: dalriata | Link to this comment | 04- 4-14 11:53 AM
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The Ohio Ohio River State University of Ohio and Ohio's Ohio River.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 04- 4-14 11:55 AM
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Oh look, Wikipedia's got a list of tautological place names. (Sadly my go-to - Torpenhow Hill, aka "Hill hill hill hill" - is apparently apocryphal.)


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 04- 4-14 11:57 AM
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40: Which is on the Olentangy which apparently has the same property: It was originally called keenhongsheconsepung, a Delaware word literally translated as "stone for your knife stream", based on the shale found along its shores.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 04- 4-14 11:58 AM
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41: the go-tos for me have always been "The El Alhambra Inn" (real, as far as I know, but no longer existing) and "Maison de la Casa House" (fake, of course).


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 04- 4-14 12:03 PM
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39: Should I bring Stewart's Names on the Land to the next meetup so we can geek out in the corner? (It did not escape my attention that you used "dissected plateau" for Pittsburgh topography the other day, apparently innocent of my tiresome pedantry on the subject.)


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 04- 4-14 12:03 PM
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41: Which does not include the Ohio.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 04- 4-14 12:05 PM
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45: It's a wiki! You can edit it!


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 04- 4-14 12:06 PM
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In LA we have the the tar tar pits.


Posted by: Tasseled Loafered Leech | Link to this comment | 04- 4-14 12:09 PM
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39: Sounds fun to me! I am nothing if not a geography geek. Looking forward to pedantry to tire all pedants.


Posted by: dalriata | Link to this comment | 04- 4-14 12:09 PM
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err, 44.

Disappointed that I didn't find any "Lago Lake" but I did find a "Reserve at Loch Lake."


Posted by: dalriata | Link to this comment | 04- 4-14 12:09 PM
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"Maison de la Casa House"

I love Calvin Trillin so much.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 04- 4-14 12:11 PM
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Fro some reason these are reminding me of the time we were skiing with friends at Lake Tahoe and their son came up excitedly and asked if we could go fishing later in Lake Vista.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 04- 4-14 12:12 PM
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I've drank enough fluids without puking that I can pee like a Penn student

It's esprit de l'escalier at this point, but that incident puts the Penn back in "spend a penny".


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 04- 4-14 12:15 PM
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Pretend I got the tags right.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 04- 4-14 12:15 PM
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There are several Vista View Estates.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 04- 4-14 12:16 PM
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What's the word for place names that contain within them the forces that created the features for which they are named? State College and College Station certainly fit this category, but I'm also thinking of e.g. Westlake Village in California where the only reason there is a lake and any resemblance to a village is that somebody named that spot on the map "Westlake Village".


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 04- 4-14 12:19 PM
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44: It has not escaped my attention that you two make an adorable couple on several fronts, though your wives may disagree. Or agree too quickly? Forget I brought this up.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 04- 4-14 12:24 PM
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Also Oxford, Mississippi.


Posted by: dalriata | Link to this comment | 04- 4-14 12:25 PM
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55: Somebody come up with a joke involving Wanker's Corner. I'm too busy watching the Red Sox home opener working.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 04- 4-14 12:31 PM
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56: Is this what it feels like to be shipped?

FWIW, my wife has decided (or at least has claimed) to actively ignore Unfogged, as she sees it as "my thing." Which gives me more license to be stupid. Blissful, wonderful stupidity.


Posted by: dalriata | Link to this comment | 04- 4-14 12:32 PM
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My dad walked the Olentangy banks for 25 years on his lunch breaks. Chemical Abstracts Service, where he worked, is right up against it.

For some reason it's the Franklin County waterway I've had the least to do with. I have stories about Scioto, Darby, Alum, but not Olentangy, however close I lived to it.


Posted by: idp | Link to this comment | 04- 4-14 12:32 PM
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53: Pretend I got the tags right.

I just today, sent an internal email where I did <i> rather than italicizing some text. The email software did not helpfully italicize it for me (nor does gmail per a quick test).


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 04- 4-14 12:41 PM
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56, 59.

My wife would read my posts here, 8 years ago when I was active and not doing much else. She thought I put too much effort into the comments and was too elliptical and hard to follow. She had definite opinions about some of the personalities.

She posts now at a blog, a forum actually, and her stuff is invariably well-written and well-received.


Posted by: idp | Link to this comment | 04- 4-14 12:42 PM
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59.1: It would be if I hadn't been teasing, I suppose! Sorry. (Though Stormcrow gave me a book, too. I suspect it's his MO for luring people into more Pittsburgh meetups.)

Lee mostly calls this "your stupid internet friend place" but she doesn't bring it up much anymore.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 04- 4-14 12:47 PM
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56: Half you age plus seven rule violation. As long as we're blowing up the sanctity of all off blog whatever violations


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 04- 4-14 12:47 PM
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I thought everybody agreed to go along with sqrt(age) + 12; no?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 04- 4-14 12:49 PM
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63.1: I suspect it's his MO for luring people into more Pittsburgh meetups.

Sure. Since everything else about them sucks. And I ain't *giving* young Dal my freaking copy of Stewart.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 04- 4-14 12:52 PM
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65: Just because James Franco clearly did doesn't mean we all did, right?


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 04- 4-14 12:52 PM
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66: I assumed someday you'd want your hilarious book back and I'd have to drive back out there!


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 04- 4-14 12:54 PM
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I thought the rule of book lending was that you never really expect to get it back. But if that was a ruse to get Thorn to come upriver without a paddle (unless you want to go kayaking or something), I support that.


Posted by: dalriata | Link to this comment | 04- 4-14 1:04 PM
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68: Nah, it's yours to keep--I think you are the perfect family for it*. But drive back out anytime, anyway.

*Theoretically, that particular book was used to help teach kids to read in an elementary school in the Bronx up through the the mid-1980s.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 04- 4-14 1:06 PM
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What I've been really trying to do this whole time is think of another example of an acronym that is sometimes used with one of its component words extraneously spelled out.

Ok, this place advertises "Military MRE Meals."


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 04- 4-14 1:12 PM
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Actually, I think as of today both Nia and Selah can be considered pre-adoptive placements rather than just foster, so I'll have increased flexibility to do whatever the hell I want as their almost-parent. I'd been tentatively planning trips to Columbus and Cleveland, but maybe I should add Pittsburgh too. Meetups with toddlers are probably not as much fun, but that might be the best I can do these days. We've already planned for Buffalo for June, but may try traveling one weekend a month through the summer or something. At some point, Selah will have to get used to being in her car seat for a long time, poor thing.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 04- 4-14 1:12 PM
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Ok, this place advertises "Military MRE Meals."

That's not redundant. MRE = "Meal, Ready to Eat".


Posted by: knecht ruprecht | Link to this comment | 04- 4-14 3:27 PM
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73: Yes. and ...


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 04- 4-14 3:44 PM
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It's not a big thing, and I guess adds clarity, but I think Military MREs would cover it.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 04- 4-14 3:45 PM
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Here's someone offering LEED Design, although perhaps not entirely fair as the head noun is the L. (Also, way more LEED buildings in Pittsburgh than I realized. By which I mean two. Or way more active enviro-Wikipedians in Pittsburgh than I realized, anyway.)


Posted by: dalriata | Link to this comment | 04- 4-14 3:50 PM
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I'm still not puking, but I feel bad. Not own the Washington football team bad, but worse than writing for the Colbert report.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 4-14 4:08 PM
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DSW seems to have become DSW Shoe Warehouse. But I guess that's more like the whole GNU thing.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 04- 4-14 6:22 PM
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D(SW)+


Posted by: dalriata | Link to this comment | 04- 4-14 6:25 PM
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Meals ready to eat MREs.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 04- 4-14 6:30 PM
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MRE amirite?


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 04- 4-14 6:37 PM
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"ATM Machine" (mentioned above) and "PIN Number" are the classic examples of this phenomenon, in addition to the various geographic names people have pointed to.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 04- 4-14 8:56 PM
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Also "OPEC Countries," although that one's a little different because it usually has a slightly different meaning from the acronym used alone.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 04- 4-14 8:57 PM
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Alaskan mainland?


Posted by: dalriata | Link to this comment | 04- 4-14 9:02 PM
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"SAT test" seems to get used fairly regularly.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 04- 4-14 9:02 PM
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84: That's a good one.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 04- 4-14 9:04 PM
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Huh, I know one of the people on this list. It probably won't be difficult to figure out which one.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 04- 4-14 11:11 PM
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Laser light show.


Posted by: Todd | Link to this comment | 04- 5-14 5:17 AM
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I'm glad to see this thread has not rehashed the political economy of urban planning in the modern world via puking.


Posted by: Yawnoc | Link to this comment | 04- 5-14 8:05 AM
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"PIN Number" and "SAT test." Dammit, I knew there were good ones out there but could not think of any. Great, now I have low self-esteem and won't able to face doing the taxes.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 04- 5-14 9:09 AM
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If this is the kind of geography thread, is there a simple tool that will draw you a circle on a map - preferably something like google maps or open street map - showing everything within a given radius?


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 04- 5-14 9:15 AM
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91: This'll do it. I wish that was a default feature of Google, as it's something that I do in an ad hoc fashion pretty often. I'd also really like something that would do it with a different metric, like distance or driving time on streets.


Posted by: dalriata | Link to this comment | 04- 5-14 9:19 AM
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http://www.freemaptools.com/radius-around-point.htm


Posted by: Yawnoc | Link to this comment | 04- 5-14 9:20 AM
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Ack, that doesn't tell you what the radius is. That's somewhat less useful, I'll see if I can find something better.


Posted by: dalriata | Link to this comment | 04- 5-14 9:21 AM
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This is awkward to use, but it lets you specify the radius numerically.


Posted by: dalriata | Link to this comment | 04- 5-14 9:23 AM
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Mapumental.com will do travel time isochrone maps, but I think it only covers the UK


Posted by: Alex | Link to this comment | 04- 5-14 10:36 AM
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Thanks. 93 basically does what I'm looking for.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 04- 5-14 10:46 AM
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Yackety Sax dubbed over ravers dancing at an outdoor music festival. Worth watching through the first 16 bars at least.

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Posted by: k-sky | Link to this comment | 04- 5-14 12:58 PM
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50: Calvinn Trillan's food writing really is the best.

Mr. Robot (should that just become Mr. Roboto, for extra awesomeness) has no interest in having anything to do with Unfogged, but he does correct me every time I refer to "my imaginary Internet friends" by saying, "But they're not imaginary!"


Posted by: J, Robot | Link to this comment | 04- 5-14 1:47 PM
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How would he know, though?


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 04- 5-14 1:53 PM
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I have the same conversation, but the boyfriend says, "But they're not imaginary. I've met some of them." I haven't yet explained that the rest are balding 47 year olds in their mothers' basements or sockpuppets.


Posted by: ydnew | Link to this comment | 04- 5-14 3:41 PM
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I just hire a guy to play me at meet ups.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 5-14 3:43 PM
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He's up for a supporting role in a new sitcom. If he gets it, I'll have to find a new guy.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 5-14 3:56 PM
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My girlfriend had a great phrase for Unfogged the other day, but I don't think I remember the exact quote. After I introduced her to the Benedict Cumberbatch & otters 2048 game and she asked how I ever found such a thing and I told her it was here, she said something like "oh right, your friends are all expert seekers of internet whimsy."


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 04- 5-14 4:00 PM
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I just ran into this: http://blog.sfgate.com/techchron/2014/04/06/anti-tech-protesters-target-google-ventures-partner-kevin-rose/

I've been wondering what the protesters really want -- other than for people to go live somewhere else -- and this article answers the question: there's a demand that Google pay $3 billion to "the anarchist group of our choosing."

I'm glad that's now cleared up.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 04- 6-14 11:41 PM
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Quit harshing my mellow, Carp, I wants me some free housing.

"This money will then be used to create autonomous, anti-capitalist, and anti-racist communities throughout the Bay Area and Northern California. In these communities, whether in San Francisco or in the woods, no one will ever have to pay rent and housing will be free."

They'll need lawyers and cops in the woods, right?


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 04- 7-14 12:23 AM
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That sounds totally reasonable to me.

In a similar vein, am I completely ethically and politically inconsistent to be an anarchist who hates tax cheats? It would be one thing if people wanted to collectively engage in tax avoision for some positive social purpose, like stopping a war or whatever. But for relatively well-to-do people to refuse to pay their fair share just because they are greedy doesn't seem to embody much community spirit or compassion for others.


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 04- 7-14 12:52 AM
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PS The reason that I am awake at 3:09 and will be leaving the house before 5:00 am is tax cheats.


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 04- 7-14 1:10 AM
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I was wondering.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 04- 7-14 1:11 AM
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It's very common for geographical features, and particularly hydronyms, to become lexicalized.

Indeed - Britain has several River Avons ("afon" = "river").


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 04- 7-14 1:33 AM
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am I completely ethically and politically inconsistent to be an anarchist who hates tax cheats?

No; it's the general anti-dickishness principle at work.


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NMM2 Mickey Rooney. Did anybody know he was still alive? (Be honest.)

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Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 04- 7-14 4:09 AM
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It's reasonable to hate anybody who makes you get up at 3.09, and it's extra reasonable to hate tax cheats because they cost you money and they cost people who can't afford it money. But why do they make you keep antisocial hours? Do you have to go to an airport to arrest them before they leave the country or something?


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 04- 7-14 4:13 AM
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I had to cab over to their rental house (in a MUCH fancier neighborhood than I live in) to get them into the cab and pay with the corporate credit card, because they got SO FUSSY about our plan to have a very nice volunteer drive them to the airport at 5:30 am that it was easier just to get a cab, but the cab company wouldn't take my credit card over the phone, so I had to be there in person. This wasn't directly related to the tax cheating aspect, but it was brought up at the same time (the last minute) so that it made things incredibly stressful yesterday. Thus, not getting any sleep due to anxiety. Jerks.


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Posted by: John Pallister | Link to this comment | 10- 6-15 1:46 AM
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OMG monetisation opportunity! Quick, wake up ogged and unchain the server. It's happening! It's happening at last!


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