Re: Kitchen remodeling

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Yet another thing that makes me angry about capitalism: people who witter on about how it gives you freedom of choice as a consumer. It doesn't give you freedom of choice, it lets you buy what large corporations decide they want to sell you, and every year they decide they want to sell you something different so they can make more money. And if you say, "Sorry, I'd prefer to buy this other thing that you were selling a few years ago" they just point at you and laugh.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 04-19-14 8:29 AM
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As best I can tell, nobody sells pink anything.

Stone? Will the desire for pink be enough to overcome your hatred of granite?


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 04-19-14 8:39 AM
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Possibly, but just having pink in it isn't sufficient.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 04-19-14 8:42 AM
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But yes, pink stone would be my first choice.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 04-19-14 8:43 AM
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This is probably a stupid question, but do you not have big tile stores where you are? We have a couple and they definitely had some pinks a year ago, not that that's worth anything to you. Not Home Depot-type things, but nothing but tile or tile and stone.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 04-19-14 8:46 AM
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We have some huge ones, even with online inventories and many beautiful stone options, but no pink. A link to the kind of place you were at? It may be a matter of knowing the right vocabulary.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 04-19-14 8:48 AM
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Like this place.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 04-19-14 8:51 AM
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Over here you can certainly find pink granite surfacing on line, even on eBay. If it's pink enough for you...


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 04-19-14 8:51 AM
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Sounds like what you want is something like pink quartz. Looks like this is the place that supplied it.


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 04-19-14 8:53 AM
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Check for "salmon." And if you call they'll know other terms.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 04-19-14 8:54 AM
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I'd seen the first link in 9 but only been able to chase it to alibaba, which I gather is the amazon of China.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 04-19-14 9:04 AM
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My secret hope for this thread was that you guys would be able to get me unstuck. I suspect things will be unaffordable though.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 04-19-14 9:06 AM
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THIS MATERIAL CAN ALSO BE BACKLIT.


Posted by: Bave | Link to this comment | 04-19-14 9:11 AM
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You are not alone in your search. Apparently, there's a tiny local chain in LA that ships.

9 looks great for Barbie's Malibu Dream Kitchen.


Posted by: ydnew | Link to this comment | 04-19-14 9:20 AM
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Or there's pink Durat.


Posted by: ydnew | Link to this comment | 04-19-14 9:34 AM
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Heebie, you want Concetto 8410 Rose Quartz, which can be special ordered by a Cesarstone dealer.


Posted by: jms | Link to this comment | 04-19-14 9:35 AM
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Ogged and Bave are right. Glowing pink quartz countertops would be awesome. If you don't want to be that awesome, you could do stained concrete.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 04-19-14 9:48 AM
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Can concrete really be stained pink? I would have thought the gray was too dark for starters.

I'm not against this quartz option.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 04-19-14 9:52 AM
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The pink quartz really is quite pretty.


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 04-19-14 9:57 AM
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I'd come across the first two links in 14, too. I felt kinship.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 04-19-14 9:58 AM
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When we were doing our kitchen thing last year, we found it very useful to go to the countertop stores (in Spokane, to broaden choices) and look at the slabs. For granite or marble this is more or less required, since they're fairly unique. Also useful for quartz. We ended up getting our marble slabs from a Consentino warehouse that happened to have a small inventory of actual stone.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 04-19-14 10:03 AM
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When I think of pink stone, I think of Butte.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 04-19-14 10:04 AM
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18: Not as pink as the quartz, but if you do an image search for stained concrete, you'll see a few pretty light colors.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 04-19-14 10:11 AM
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22 is very pretty.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 04-19-14 10:20 AM
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The shower room I share with Trapnel is pink. But not tile or stone. I no longer feel the need to wear sunglassses in there, but that is probably eye damage, not acclimation.


Posted by: grumbles | Link to this comment | 04-19-14 10:25 AM
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I had an all pink bathroom in my apartment up in the hills in 1999. The great thing about it was that it was all tile and super resonant and I sounded like Leonard Warren when I sang in the shower.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 04-19-14 10:27 AM
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You'll have to be really careful your pinks don't clash if you go with pink tile too. Here's a source for pink tile if you haven't found one: http://retrorenovation.com/2009/04/22/where-to-find-retro-vintage-pink-bathroom-til/


Posted by: Chopper | Link to this comment | 04-19-14 10:34 AM
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[That's the courthouse. Stop in on your way through.]


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 04-19-14 10:34 AM
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Recycled glass tile?


Posted by: Virga•licious | Link to this comment | 04-19-14 10:36 AM
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The Concetto Rose Quartz countertop is available at Ceasarstone in Irving, Texas.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 04-19-14 11:21 AM
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Swap a and e obviously.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 04-19-14 11:22 AM
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Charley, the Texas Statehouse is made of pink granite. Heebie could show her Texas spirit.

20: I figured you had come across them. My grandmother's house has a yellow tile bathroom. All the rooms have been kept basically the same as when the house was built in 1947. A mint living room with rose upholstery and lace curtains, a pale blue kitchen, etc. My mother would go on long soliloquies about how she was going to rip everything out and make it more "current" with granite and stainless. I like modern and all, but yuck. It's so charming the way it is!


Posted by: ydnew | Link to this comment | 04-19-14 11:24 AM
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oh hey I've been to bw tile. i had no idea that finding pink tile was difficult or a thing. but surely you don't want pink tile countertops?? or am I missing something.


Posted by: robert Halford | Link to this comment | 04-19-14 11:35 AM
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Irving Taxes?


Posted by: jms | Link to this comment | 04-19-14 11:36 AM
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i mean I'm pro colored tile, we just spent time this week matching green tile for the bathroom, but a vintage pink tile kitchen countertop is gonna suck. Just not a good countertop material.


Posted by: robert halford | Link to this comment | 04-19-14 11:37 AM
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I agree you would come to regret tiled kitchen countertops. Especially if you bake.


Posted by: jms | Link to this comment | 04-19-14 11:41 AM
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That pink BW Tile bathroom is gorgeous though.


Posted by: jms | Link to this comment | 04-19-14 11:42 AM
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Right, that's why I'm not willing to go 4" tiles. I'd be willing to go 12" tiles, though.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 04-19-14 1:22 PM
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The postmaster at Granite Mountain was named Nimrod Norton.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 04-19-14 1:25 PM
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39: proof of the power of popular culture: the connotations of the name "Nimrod" were entirely changed by a Bugs Bunny cartoon.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 04-19-14 2:08 PM
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And on further research I see that 40 is almost certainly false. Blah blah Liberty Valance blah.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 04-19-14 2:12 PM
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Norton sounds like an interesting guy. He also supervised the first survey of the Llano Estacado and served on the commission that selected the design for the state Capitol, in addition to supplying the marble for it.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 04-19-14 2:30 PM
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So, don't take this wrong or anything, but I'd rather gargle glass shards than let heebie-geebie decorate my home.

OTOH, based on the few pics I saw, she could pick my architect any time.


Posted by: Turgid Jacobian | Link to this comment | 04-19-14 4:13 PM
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Wait till you see the final pics. It'll be surprisingly lovely and not the calamity of clashing that that bathroom is.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 04-19-14 4:30 PM
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When we were house-hunting, one hose we mostly liked (and even put an offer on) had a bathroom that was 100% pink - pink 4" tile, which was on all surfaces including the ceiling, pink vanity, pink toilet, pink bidet, pink tub. Not interesting textured rose quartz or anything, just nearly-bubblegum pink. It was really quite something, but I'm pretty sure it would have been the first thing to go.


Posted by: Nathan Williams | Link to this comment | 04-19-14 6:08 PM
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Our dining room was cotton candy pink on two walls and bubblegum pink on two walls, plus the whole house had been smoked in for 30 years until everything took on an unintentional sepia tone. One of the former residents came by today and was happy that there's a happy family here and didn't want to see the inside, which is probably the best way to deal with it. She commended Lee for redoing the downstairs bathroom immediately, so apparently the whole family hadn't been on board with the plan to pour their own concrete shower and then put linoleum on the sides of it and consider that done!


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 04-19-14 6:11 PM
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I had a pink-tiled bathroom in an apartment in Queens (Astoria). Mostly pink, but with black accents and trim. Circa 1940s, maybe? I loved it, and still miss that bathroom (which also had a built-in, swing-arm drying rack).


Posted by: Just Plain Jane | Link to this comment | 04-19-14 7:05 PM
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I've seen those, and agree that the black trim makes it much more attractive.


Posted by: idp | Link to this comment | 04-19-14 7:13 PM
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Yeah, pink with black trim was definitely a thing for a while. This was not of that genre, just all-pink.


Posted by: Nathan Williams | Link to this comment | 04-19-14 7:20 PM
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Tile can be painted with special but easily-available enamel, particularly when you're moving in a darker direction.

Perhaps an all-pink could be transformed by blackening just a trim row.


Posted by: idp | Link to this comment | 04-19-14 7:32 PM
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I grew up in a house with a pink tile bathroom. Built in 1965. There was another bathroom that had the same tile, but in powder-blue.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 04-19-14 10:11 PM
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I grew up in a house built in 1970. The tiles in the bathroom were green, but not interestingly so. The carpets were the standout. All shag or that stuff with the sculpted designs.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04-20-14 6:02 AM
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The super-nice, but cheap 'cause they're near us, condos nearby have pink bathrooms. Pretty intense. My current room was done in Pepto-Bismol Pink at some point, with the radiator done in alternating pink and white flanges. Hoping to get that corrected this spring.

I would so, so love to have little hexagonal tiles on the bathroom floor, and subway tiles on the walls. That would improve my life immeasurably.


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 04-20-14 7:56 AM
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NMM2 Reuben Hurricane Carter. He could have been the champion of the world.

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Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 04-20-14 8:28 AM
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In Patterson that's just the way things go.


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 04-20-14 9:19 AM
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Found my parent's stone. Go to "marble/limestons" and "pink", and scroll down to Norwegian Rose.

This site has the beautiful pinks. Wow.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 04-20-14 10:06 AM
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That is an interesting pattern, with an organic quality and very striking color.

When I saw the name, I thought it might have a relation to the Norwegian decorative art, Rosemaling, which I'm interested in, but it takes its name from the location of the quarry.


Posted by: idp | Link to this comment | 04-20-14 10:41 AM
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Here are the individual image links for Norwegian Rose from the site in 56:

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Seven

(No, I'm not procrastinating in the face of approaching deadlines. Why do you ask?)


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 04-20-14 1:29 PM
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The fake stone countertop in the main hall bathroom in my parents' house was that sort of pattern. Instead of the rose color it was goldish beige.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 04-20-14 6:17 PM
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McManus hasn't shown up in his regular haunts that I know of. Anyone know?

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Posted by: jackie | Link to this comment | 04-21-14 1:45 AM
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Huh, he hasn't been here recently, either. Let us know if you learn anything.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 04-21-14 8:26 AM
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It's more support for my theory that McManus is Putin. I assume he'll be back after he steals as much of the Ukraine as he can.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04-21-14 8:38 AM
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62: I guess that seems more likely than my theory that he was Hurricane Carter.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 04-21-14 8:53 AM
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Holy shit this is a pretty exciting marathon finish.

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Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 04-21-14 9:08 AM
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Moreso than last year?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 04-21-14 9:09 AM
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Too soon.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04-21-14 9:10 AM
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I felt conflicted as I wrote it.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 04-21-14 9:11 AM
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Heebie, for the record, I love your decorating taste. I love that it looks like something vivid (not bland, not copied, not following current trends). I hope you find your pink counters.


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 04-21-14 9:19 AM
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67: I usually ignore those feelings myself.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04-21-14 9:21 AM
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Thank you, Megan! What I'm going for (very loosely, again I hate myself) is for it to feel like a picnic. I decided that that is the type of kitchen I'd be willing to spend many hours in.

So the backsplash is going to be brick veneers, the cabinets are going to stay natural wood, and the wall (of which there is very little) will be that bright spring green. It should look very cheery and bright.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 04-21-14 9:22 AM
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Oh! We're putting in a greenhouse window. I'm super excited about that.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 04-21-14 9:33 AM
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67: somebody hadda.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 04-21-14 9:33 AM
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I don't think you should qualify with "hate myself" for having a theme. There are all sorts of ways to be oversaturated and colorful (speaking for my own house) and I had to include/exclude on some basis. Mine was roughly "make it look like my talavera mug". Having narrowed your idea down to a theme isn't embarrassing. Pretentious people use the same language, but the actual vision is useful. You can't help it if other people have ruined the same phrasing. No apologies!


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 04-21-14 10:43 AM
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The editors' essay in a recent Old House Journal (or similar) had a picture of a pink-and-dark-green tiled bathroom that they apparently considered the cutting edge of informed restoration (as in, their non-restoration friends made fun of it, but they thought it was maybe kind of cool). I deduce that pink tile is in the wings for the next cool trend.

I regret ripping up well-installed, well-maintained, out-of-style stuff because (a) there's always a chance of something going wrong structurally with the replacement and (b) likewise, it's so hard to come up with something that won't look dated soon anyway. Thirty-year-old tile is likelier to come back `in' in fifteen years than new tile. I am, therefore, fond of tile paint (risk b, not a) and rueful that our kitchen reno of last year seems to be all over Pinterest now. (Glass green walls, open shelves. At least the green paint is easily changeable if it gets too too.)

The contractors were surprisingly sulky about not boxing in the stove and fridge, but it was a design rule that they went on the free ends of counters so we could go through a couple decades' changes in appliance shapes without redoing the counters. If someone wants to put in a big stove, they'll be able to by trimming an ell (and then they'll realize that the vent run, and therefore the hood CFM, and therefore the stove type, are limited by important structural members. Maybe I should paste a note to the ell.)


Posted by: clew | Link to this comment | 04-21-14 12:23 PM
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Oh, and pink, our stairwell and a lot of the ceilings are very pale pink or peach. In Seattle this just keeps everything from being utterly grey all winter, and lights up in spring and fall when our sunlight is rosy, and in summer eh, who's inside?


Posted by: clew | Link to this comment | 04-21-14 12:25 PM
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I want to see your kitchen renovation. Link to one of your many pinterest groupies?


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 04-21-14 12:33 PM
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Oh, that was stronger phrasing than it should have been, I haven't actually photographed the finished kitchen. I should because I love it and found *other* people's photos useful. I'm a terrible photographer of rooms, though -- any hints?

Vaguely like this, with painted walls instead of glass. Took the curves of the crockets from the cove moldings in the original woodwork -- we know the original kitchen likely didn't have the same woodwork as the dining room (though in a logging/milling town, who knows?), but the kitchen is slightly more open to the rest of the house than it would have been, so it seemed like a reasonable modernization.

I walked through the latest swank apartments to open in the neighborhood (called the Gatsby. Criminy. At least it doesn't have a dock) and was amused that their kitchens are the size of my bathroom and vice versa.


Posted by: clew | Link to this comment | 04-21-14 12:53 PM
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Haw, there's a Save the Pink Bathrooms page already. Lots of links to suppliers.


Posted by: clew | Link to this comment | 04-21-14 4:10 PM
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The pink Durat gets used a lot. It is color #150, and you can see the swatch here (there is a gray tab with a link in the middle of the page to "colors")

http://www.caragreen.com/products/detail/durat-sheets/


Posted by: Jessica | Link to this comment | 04-28-14 5:32 AM
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