Re: The Semis

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Univision now charging for streaming. Daaaamn!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07- 8-14 1:16 PM
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Hola! Plus BBC.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 07- 8-14 1:21 PM
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Well, that was a good game.


Posted by: Annelid Gustator | Link to this comment | 07- 8-14 1:23 PM
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Wow. Homefield advantage not absolute so far.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07- 8-14 1:25 PM
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Wtf I got up to get food in the snack line and missed three fucking goals!


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 07- 8-14 1:25 PM
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That's for being cryptic.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07- 8-14 1:25 PM
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They're just setting up the greatest comeback ever.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 07- 8-14 1:27 PM
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Whoa.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 07- 8-14 1:27 PM
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Has someone started the cryingbraziliansoccerfan tumblr yet?


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 07- 8-14 1:27 PM
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I'm now in a hotel room on the Staroměstské namaste hoping to sleep soon, but many-mouthed cries keep coming from the square outside, despite the rain.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 07- 8-14 1:29 PM
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Very funny, autocorrect - Staroměstské náměstí.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 07- 8-14 1:29 PM
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Yay I saw that one. I though offside. I'm sitting next to the son of a FIFA ref actually.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 07- 8-14 1:30 PM
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Whaaaat


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07- 8-14 1:30 PM
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Oh my. Somebody throw in the towel, please.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 07- 8-14 1:30 PM
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What the actual fuck


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 07- 8-14 1:30 PM
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What happens if they tie?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 07- 8-14 1:32 PM
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All of Brazil collapses from emotional exhaustion.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 07- 8-14 1:33 PM
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Huh. I guess every audible shout has been at a goal.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 07- 8-14 1:34 PM
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7-3 would be a respectable final score for football after all.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 07- 8-14 1:34 PM
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This is insane.


Posted by: J, Robot | Link to this comment | 07- 8-14 1:34 PM
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I texted 15 exactly to Blume. What is happening I don't understand


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07- 8-14 1:35 PM
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At least they'll avoid the humiliation of losing to Argentina.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 07- 8-14 1:37 PM
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Match fixing!


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 07- 8-14 1:37 PM
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This is hilarious. Not great football but it is hilarious.


Posted by: Keir | Link to this comment | 07- 8-14 1:38 PM
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So is there any norm in soccer by which Germany mostly stops trying to score?


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 07- 8-14 1:38 PM
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In high school soccer, yes.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 07- 8-14 1:39 PM
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25 nope.


Posted by: Keir | Link to this comment | 07- 8-14 1:40 PM
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And our adult league has mercy rules where the losers start to get extra players on the field.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 07- 8-14 1:40 PM
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At some point you just scramble everyone--Lahm playing forward with Neuer, Ozil in goal, etc.


Posted by: Annelid Gustator | Link to this comment | 07- 8-14 1:41 PM
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Too send the goalie upfield?


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 07- 8-14 1:41 PM
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Brazil sobbing gifs on screamer are amazingly sad.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07- 8-14 1:43 PM
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+early


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 07- 8-14 1:44 PM
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Oh, crying Brazilians. I apoloize for laughing at you.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07- 8-14 1:47 PM
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Holy shit, well this wasn't the game to skip the first half of...


Posted by: Unfoggetarian: "Pause endlessly, then go in" (9) | Link to this comment | 07- 8-14 1:48 PM
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34 - you're telling us.


Posted by: OPINIONATED BRAZILIAN NATIONAL TEAM | Link to this comment | 07- 8-14 1:48 PM
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Apparently all the largest comebacks ever were four goals, never five.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 07- 8-14 1:49 PM
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They're in Bob Lee's Panic Room!


Posted by: J, Robot | Link to this comment | 07- 8-14 1:51 PM
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25, sure, at some point they prioritize not getting injured.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 07- 8-14 1:51 PM
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Yeah at least we only lost 1-0 losers.


Posted by: OPINIONATED USMNT | Link to this comment | 07- 8-14 1:52 PM
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Well this was unexpected.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 07- 8-14 1:52 PM
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Looks like the Brazilian team picked the wrong week to quit huffing scotch guard.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 07- 8-14 1:52 PM
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Could be worse, in a way:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia_31%E2%80%930_American_Samoa

Also great

https://twitter.com/FutbolBible/statuses/486612179911983105


Posted by: Annelid Gustator | Link to this comment | 07- 8-14 1:53 PM
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I'm waiting for someone to make a tasteless WWII joke.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 07- 8-14 2:00 PM
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Whatever you do, don't mention the war.

Anyone know if this will be the worst knockout round defeat in World Cup history (if the score stands)? I know the Saudi team lost way worse than this one year (to Germany, IIRC).


Posted by: Tom Scudder | Link to this comment | 07- 8-14 2:16 PM
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Dear me.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07- 8-14 2:31 PM
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My gast has been flabbered. SECHS!!


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 07- 8-14 2:32 PM
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Don't you mean sieben?


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 07- 8-14 2:37 PM
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I want to see the German goalkeeper score one, just for the hell of it.


Posted by: J, Robot | Link to this comment | 07- 8-14 2:37 PM
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So will there be stoppage time?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 07- 8-14 2:37 PM
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I tell ya, if this is a fix it sure is ballsy.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07- 8-14 2:39 PM
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Don't you mean sieben?

Well, now I do. Good grief.

But it is always time for sechs here ATM, right?


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 07- 8-14 2:40 PM
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Is this what Halford meant by Strategy?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 07- 8-14 2:46 PM
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So much for your shutout loser.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 07- 8-14 2:47 PM
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Why don't the Brazilians try it?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 07- 8-14 2:47 PM
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Yeah! Nobody beats Brazil 7-0.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 07- 8-14 2:50 PM
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Times liveblog:
You know Scolari will resign. But how about the Brazil players? How can they live with the disgrace of this? How can they wear the yellow shirt ever again?
Um, they still have the third place match, right? Or do they just not show up for that?


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 07- 8-14 2:58 PM
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This one via Cole's place was actually pretty good:
From Ricky Gervais: "This won't be the first time that thousands of Germans will have to lie low in Brazil for a while for their own safety."


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 07- 8-14 3:03 PM
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It'd sure be interesting if they have to follow this up by playing Argentina this weekend.


Posted by: Unfoggetarian: "Pause endlessly, then go in" (9) | Link to this comment | 07- 8-14 3:09 PM
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Well, I'm relieved Sweden kept the record for goal difference and goals scored in a knockout game (8-0 against Cuba).

All kinds of records were broken.


Posted by: David the Unfogged Commenter | Link to this comment | 07- 8-14 3:10 PM
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Why didn't ESPN hire a Portuguese interpreter? What a bizarre decision.


Posted by: Unfoggetarian: "Pause endlessly, then go in" (9) | Link to this comment | 07- 8-14 3:16 PM
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The US ability to lose by one goal is an underappreciated skill.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 07- 8-14 3:28 PM
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That's a pretty damn shocking result. I thought Germany would win, but.....


Posted by: Turgid Jacobian | Link to this comment | 07- 8-14 3:31 PM
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Now, do we root for the all-European final in South America?


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 07- 8-14 4:00 PM
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Yes, if only for the chance to see Argentina double down on Brazil's humiliation.


Posted by: MHPH | Link to this comment | 07- 8-14 4:04 PM
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Hell no. Fuck UEFA. With a rusty pitchfork.


Posted by: Turgid Jacobian | Link to this comment | 07- 8-14 4:09 PM
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Yaaaaaay, Klose!


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 07- 8-14 5:05 PM
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The Kloser.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 07- 8-14 5:07 PM
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But how about the Brazil players? How can they live with the disgrace of this? How can they wear the yellow shirt ever again?

I wonder how Silva and Neymar feel. On the one hand, they must be thinking (especially Silva, since it was the defense that was so lacking) that their presence might have made a difference. But on the other hand, what a relief to not have been part of that atrocity.


Posted by: x.trapnel | Link to this comment | 07- 8-14 5:08 PM
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I'd like to think that Özil missed his open shot in the final minutes intentionally, as a gesture of mercy.


Posted by: x.trapnel | Link to this comment | 07- 8-14 5:10 PM
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That's how you know he's a degraded Turk and not a true German.


Posted by: Turgid Jacobian | Link to this comment | 07- 8-14 5:23 PM
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So we watched the Colombia/Brazil game, and we are not skilled soccer-watchers, but what was everyone so upset about? It seemed like both teams were playing kind of dirty and rough, but neither team seemed that much worse than the other. But the post-game narrative has been all about how nasty Brazil was and how we had to root against them, and this narrative apparently caught on in Mount Olympus or Valhalla or wherever.


Posted by: Bave | Link to this comment | 07- 8-14 5:50 PM
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Silva was probably thinking why was I an asshole who got a useless yellow for running in front of a punting goalie.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 07- 8-14 5:58 PM
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Once again a demonstration that offense in soccer is impossible against a marginally competent defense.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 07- 8-14 6:04 PM
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73 -- the Brazilians weren't even marginally competent.


Posted by: Keir | Link to this comment | 07- 8-14 6:17 PM
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71: Two things:

1) Brazil has the image (which has been out of date for 40 years now, but whatever) of being the carefree, happy-go-lucky, fun team. So seeing them play a rough game is more jarring to a lot of people than seeing, say, Germany play that way.

2) Brazil wasn't just rough, they were calculatedly rough. There was a discussion on Twitter a couple of days later about the way they specifically fouled James Rodriguez, and rotated the fouls through their players so that no one in particular would get singled out by the ref.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 07- 8-14 6:56 PM
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"But the post-game narrative has been all about how nasty Brazil was and how we had to root against them"

That's not something I recognise, both teams were seen as dirty. People were mainly angry at the ref and with FIFA, since they've instructed referees to issue yellow cards than normal, since it makes games too stop-start (and probably because they don't want too many top players suspended). Until now players haven't taken advantage of it that much afaik, but this game got out of control, the game became extremely stop start and Brazil lost Neymar and Silva.


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 07- 8-14 7:15 PM
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"But the post-game narrative has been all about how nasty Brazil was and how we had to root against them"

That's not something I recognise, both teams were seen as dirty. People were mainly angry at the ref and with FIFA, since they've instructed referees to issue yellow cards than normal, since it makes games too stop-start (and probably because they don't want too many top players suspended). Until now players haven't taken advantage of it that much afaik, but this game got out of control, the game became extremely stop start and Brazil lost Neymar and Silva.


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That was me. Both times.


Posted by: David the Unfogged Commenter | Link to this comment | 07- 8-14 7:40 PM
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That's a very strong assumption about intrapersonal consistency.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07- 8-14 7:44 PM
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Well I never. I wasn't able to see that live, so I only just found out. I expected Germany to win. I didn't expect a cricket score.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 07- 9-14 1:25 AM
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That's a very strong assumption about intrapersonal consistency

SPEAK FOR YOURSELF.


Posted by: OPINIONATED HERACLITUS | Link to this comment | 07- 9-14 2:12 AM
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Brazil have played like a bunch of dicks all tournament. Some nice stuff from Neymar, but most of the rest of them would barely get a game in the other top teams. While there has been a bit of tit-for-tat fouling in lots of games, Brazil have been among the worse offenders.

re: 75.1

Yeah, everyone's mental image is of the teams up to and including the amazing '82 team. But even the last team that Scolari managed to victory, had a couple of really good players, and a bit of charisma about their playing.

re: 79

That should have been posted as Opinionated David Hume.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 07- 9-14 4:28 AM
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Also, I think there was a perception that Columbia were the more skilful, stylish and organised team.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 07- 9-14 4:33 AM
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ttaM is basically right here.

Brazil had a strong reputation and a lot of initial affection due to their history. But then they played cynical, dirty soccer the entire time, and even their best/most charismatic/Official FIFA Selected Important Player Neymar didn't manage to do anything magnificent enough to justify their hype. Their initial match against Croatia made a lot of people (reasonably) think that they had been assured by the officials of a certain place in the tournament given how many questionable decisions were made in their favor (I am very willing to believe that with a fair referee they would have lots that match). From there they managed a win against Cameroon (yay!) and a tie against Mexico and Chile, which only made people more suspicious that they were a mediocre team scraping through by favoritism and playing dirty.

Colombia on the other hand was the exciting, new, charismatic team headed up by a brilliant, adorable striker, which is to say, they were what people thought Brazil would be before the tournament. So a match characterized by a lot of fouling (and especially cynical fouling on the Brazilian side) allowed by the referee, in which Brazil got two yellow cards that could very easily have been red and James Rodriguez got a yellow card for something that was debatable was a foul at all, in which Brazil failed to dominate or score goals in regular play, and in which a valid Colombian goal was disallowed, made Brazil look even more like the villain of a not-particularly-subtle sports movie. People were very willing to believe that the rougher fouling by the Colombians, especially later in the game, was retaliatory or a matter of frustration, but not when it came to Brazil.


Posted by: MHPH | Link to this comment | 07- 9-14 6:31 AM
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I don't know about soccer, but he's right about the David Hume thing. I'm slipping.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07- 9-14 6:33 AM
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even their best/most charismatic/Official FIFA Selected Important Player Neymar didn't manage to do anything magnificent enough to justify their hype

He had a really stunningly beautiful flop in their first game.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07- 9-14 6:39 AM
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Let me just add that it's bullshit that PKs count towards the golden boot or how great a goal scorer someone is considered. Sure, they let the best guy on the team take them, but even the worst guy or heck the goalie would run up his scoring total if he were allowed to take all the PKs.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 07- 9-14 6:46 AM
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Wow. Just watched the game. Some theories:

1) Brazil got the starting time wrong, and assumed the first half was Germany's warm up time.
2) The Make-a-Wish wish for some teenage Brazilian kid was to have him and a bunch of his friends impersonate the WC team in the semi-final, and out of the goodness of their hearts, the Brazilian team went along with it.
3) Match fixing scandal of the millennium
4) Neymar and Silva are really that good
5) Someone forgot to bribe the referee enough (related to 3)
6) ...?


Posted by: Buttercup | Link to this comment | 07- 9-14 8:06 AM
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heck the goalie would run up his scoring total if he were allowed to take all the PKs.

Allegedly, in lots of teams, the goalie is one of the best penalty takers. They usually have a powerful strike, and understand what goalies do. It just seems to be convention that they don't take them that often.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 07- 9-14 8:08 AM
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88. Probably somewhere between 1 and 4. 3 would make me extremely happy if it came out, because I don't see how the FIFA bureaucracy would survive it, and they need to die in a fire.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 07- 9-14 8:15 AM
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The problem with having a goalie take a non-shootout PK is that play resumes immediately if it's not a goal or goes out of bounds, so then you have no goalie. I do recall some goalies taking shoot-out PKs.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 07- 9-14 8:25 AM
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My theory is that Brazil made it way, way farther than they had any right to be due mostly to one sided refereeing - without that I very much doubt they would have made it out of the group in the first place. So they were due for a loss, either because they got a referee who wasn't interested in openly helping them out or because they ended up facing a genuinely good team. And sadly for them they managed to get both at the same time, which resulted in the absurd loss against Germany. I think a lot of commentators are right that Silva (who could easily have gotten a red card instead of the yellow that kept him out of the game so there's no reason to feel sympathy there) would have helped a lot and Neymar (whose injury was karma but not his own fault at that moment) wouldn't have made too much difference, but even so it probably would have been embarrassing for them.


Posted by: MHPH | Link to this comment | 07- 9-14 8:25 AM
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It did sort of seem like they knew in the Costa Rica game that they were screwed unless they played dirty and got favorable treatment from the refs.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07- 9-14 8:27 AM
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93: But they didn't play Costa Rica... do you mean Chile?


Posted by: Annelid Gustator | Link to this comment | 07- 9-14 8:37 AM
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I meant Colombia.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07- 9-14 8:48 AM
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I should have just hedged and said "the Spanish-speaking country beginning with C".


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07- 9-14 8:49 AM
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Catalonia.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07- 9-14 8:50 AM
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The Colombian super in our building grinned like a shark when I brought up the Brazil/Germany game. It made him very happy.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 07- 9-14 8:52 AM
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And this is not a man who smiles easily.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 07- 9-14 8:53 AM
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98: the Facebook statuses of my Colombian friend, during the game:

Hahahhahahahahah!!!!! Mwahahahahahah!!

Followed by:
Schadenfootballfreuden!!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07- 9-14 8:54 AM
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Catalonia.

A word to the wise. If you think Catalonia is a Spanish speaking country, don't go on holiday there. (It is, to the extent that almost everybody knows Spanish, but you could get into a lot of trouble if you say that in public.)


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 07- 9-14 8:56 AM
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Awesome, I incorrectly corrected. Booyah.


Posted by: Annelid Gustator | Link to this comment | 07- 9-14 8:57 AM
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Chilavert of Paraguay was a PK-shooting keeper, even in international play. He was a fiery dude.


Posted by: bill | Link to this comment | 07- 9-14 8:59 AM
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101: I was trolling our vast audience of Catalan lurkers.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07- 9-14 9:03 AM
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Wait, the German for the team is "Die Mannschaft"? How has no one mentioned this before? I suppose the rest of you knew.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 07- 9-14 10:05 AM
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That has definitely come up before.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 07- 9-14 10:07 AM
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I know I've personally mentioned it before.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 07- 9-14 10:09 AM
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Not surprisingly, during the 2006 world cup.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 07- 9-14 10:11 AM
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104: Ves-ten al cony de ta mare, malparit!


Posted by: OPINIONATED CATALAN LURKER | Link to this comment | 07- 9-14 10:14 AM
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The Upsetter of Catalan.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07- 9-14 10:30 AM
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Ok, rooting for Argentina.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 07- 9-14 1:01 PM
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I think I'm rooting for... penalty kicks? Dunno. Can I root for Germany again?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07- 9-14 1:07 PM
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I am rooting New World.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 07- 9-14 1:09 PM
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Have to root for the Oranje, since they're the national team of my religion.


Posted by: Tom Scudder | Link to this comment | 07- 9-14 1:31 PM
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108: 2006! Wow! He who does not wish to be named was commenting, and ttaM didn't have dyslexia yet.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 07- 9-14 1:36 PM
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114: Rastafarian?


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 07- 9-14 1:37 PM
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In the Netherlands, even the Rastafarians are good Calvinists.


Posted by: Tom Scudder | Link to this comment | 07- 9-14 1:46 PM
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Are you allowed to throw your shoe at the ball?


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 07- 9-14 2:08 PM
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You're thinking of curling.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07- 9-14 2:38 PM
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Isn't it supposed to be over now?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07- 9-14 3:12 PM
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That 2006 thread was pretty entertaining. I had forgotten about it.


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 07- 9-14 3:15 PM
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And so it is: 11 meter.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 07- 9-14 3:37 PM
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89 --- keepers have also normally had quite a lot of practice taking shots / sending in crosses. If you tend to pair the keepers for warmups / drills, one of them has to be playing the attacker, after all.


Posted by: Keir | Link to this comment | 07- 9-14 3:57 PM
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Maybe the rule should be: no scoreless draws in knockout rounds, but penalties after any other kind of tie. So if it's 0-0 after extra time, the teams have to keep playing.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 07- 9-14 3:58 PM
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It's kind of awkward that the Argentine player who should have been pulled after a concussion wound up being their star today.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 07- 9-14 3:59 PM
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118 -- handball, technically.

And, by the way, this is what two good defences playing against very good offence can do: hold it to a nil-nil draw.


Posted by: Keir | Link to this comment | 07- 9-14 4:09 PM
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I am at the crappy ER with a god damn nosebleed.

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Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 07- 9-14 4:27 PM
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Becks said that the ER treatment for a nosebleed is pharmaceutical grade cocaine.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 07- 9-14 5:30 PM
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So, possibly a fun evening on some level?


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 07- 9-14 5:31 PM
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Hospitals are one of the most fun places to be coked up, for sure.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07- 9-14 5:39 PM
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If you bring your own pipe, they get angry.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07- 9-14 5:47 PM
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129: hair of the dog what bit you, Eh?


Posted by: Turgid Jacobian | Link to this comment | 07- 9-14 6:26 PM
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I can haz red card? K thx.


Posted by: Silva | Link to this comment | 07-12-14 1:06 PM
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That managed to incorporate many of the annoying features of soccer in general and this World Cup specifically.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 07-12-14 1:08 PM
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Wow the ref saved the other half of that red card and have it to Robben for no reason. I guess FIFA had a stern conversation with the refs about the need to favor the home team after the semi.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 07-12-14 1:10 PM
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If Brazil go down by three one of them is going to punch a Dutchman. Probably Silva, he's an idiot.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 07-12-14 1:19 PM
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Punches coming?


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 07-12-14 2:49 PM
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Hulk smash. Or at least he tried to an the Dutch player just ran away.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 07-12-14 2:54 PM
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I really would have liked to have seen the game that got played in the parallel universe where the referee was allowed to call the game fairly and sent Silva off within the first few minutes. Now I can't decide who I'd like to see win the final more: Germany because they play beautiful soccer and I've been cheering for them so far, or Argentina because screw you Brazil.


Posted by: MHPH | Link to this comment | 07-12-14 3:08 PM
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Argentina because fuck UEFA with a road flare.


Posted by: Turgid Jacobian | Link to this comment | 07-12-14 3:17 PM
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What's wrong with UEFA? I'd assume that everyone would root against Germany because Germans.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 07-12-14 3:53 PM
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Bunch of self-aggrandizing pricks, run the sport in high colonialist style, etc.


Posted by: turgid jacobian | Link to this comment | 07-12-14 4:00 PM
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Explain?


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 07-12-14 4:23 PM
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Rooting for _federations_ seems some fucked up bullshit. Especially given the last few years of epic FIFA-cuntery, in which all the federations are complicit. Admittedly, Platini does seem like a dick, though.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 07-12-14 4:36 PM
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141 is right. I had to google to even learn what UEFA is and can't imagine why I'd care.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-12-14 4:41 PM
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Goooooo Germany!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07-12-14 4:44 PM
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I'm not *for* CONMEBOL. Just against UEFA. And please, don't pretend that the Cossacks don't work for the czar.


Posted by: turgid jacobian | Link to this comment | 07-12-14 5:01 PM
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The czar is dead. The Cossacks work for Putin.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-12-14 5:03 PM
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148: Потэто, потато.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 07-12-14 5:12 PM
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Is CONCACAF the stupidest acronym ever created or what? Yet I hear partisans of it all excited because Costa Rica and sort of USA.


Posted by: DaveLMA | Link to this comment | 07-12-14 5:19 PM
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UEFA sucks because its president, Michel Platini, wants to run for FIFA president and was instrumental in getting Qatar the 2022 World Cup. He's also intent on expanding the European Championships until basically every country in the federation qualifies.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 07-12-14 5:28 PM
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I'm still not sure what the big deal about Qatar is. I mean, if a country has to waste billions of dollars on infrastructure they won't use only to be humiliated* why not have it be an awful country? It seems only fair.

And if it's because they got it (almost certainly) because of bribes, well, it's not like this is some new low for FIFA.

*(South Africa being an exception, because when they had the cup a lot of people discovered how awesome South Africa really is, which was good for them. Qatar seems unlikely to get this benefit.)


Posted by: MHPH | Link to this comment | 07-12-14 5:34 PM
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All those people who discovered how nice South Africa was in the 80s were the real pioneers.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-12-14 5:40 PM
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Why is the "e" in "Потэто" backwards?


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 07-12-14 5:48 PM
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I don't know enough Russian to know which letter is a closer match for the sound I was going for.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 07-12-14 5:51 PM
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Wikipedia suggests it's used in places where the ordinary "e" would be pronounced like "ye" and you don't want the "y" sound, but that this is at the beginnings of words or after vowels, so that doesn't seem to be the case here.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 07-12-14 5:51 PM
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It does get more Google hits than "Потето".


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 07-12-14 5:52 PM
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"Потято" also gets some hits.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 07-12-14 5:53 PM
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I admire your dedication to researching my silly joke.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 07-12-14 5:53 PM
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Oh, your jokes are never silly, teo. They're always worth researching!


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Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 07-12-14 5:56 PM
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152: http://www.newrepublic.com/article/117818/qatar-2022-world-cup-pace-kill-4000-migrant-workers-says-espn

It's also a dangerously hot environment for players and miserable experience for fans


Posted by: Criminally Bulgur | Link to this comment | 07-12-14 5:56 PM
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159: I feel sure that I sat down at the computer intent on researching something else but after clicking a bunch of Wikipedia links about Cyrillic letters I have no memory of what that would have been.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 07-12-14 6:00 PM
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Thanks, neb.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 07-12-14 6:01 PM
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But an hour or so ago I was looking up color vision because of some conversation and did you know that lots of non-mammalian vertebrates have more than three distinct color receptors in their eyes? Imagine a world with four primary colors. Maybe some of the really ugly brown fish are actually dazzling if you have fish eyes.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 07-12-14 6:01 PM
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картошка картофель


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 07-12-14 6:02 PM
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I guess it shouldn't be so surprising that the Russians got their word for potato from the Germans, but where the hell did the Germans get theirs from?


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 07-12-14 6:06 PM
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From Italian for 'truffle', it seems. Weird.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 07-12-14 6:07 PM
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But an hour or so ago I was looking up color vision because of some conversation and did you know that lots of non-mammalian vertebrates have more than three distinct color receptors in their eyes?

Uh yes, DUH


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 07-12-14 6:15 PM
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Yeah, it does seem like "place with the worst weather on earth (heat version) may not be the best place for a massive soccer event. Are they air conditioning the stadiums?


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 07-12-14 6:22 PM
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Maybe they'll just have all the games consist exclusively of penalty kicks.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 07-12-14 6:39 PM
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Is it a dry heat?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-12-14 6:46 PM
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Imagine a world with four primary colors.

Human photoreceptors don't really subdivide neatly into primary colors.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07-12-14 6:56 PM
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Presumably Qatar will design the stadiums so that it is constantly snowing inside them.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07-12-14 6:57 PM
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Supposedly they will be air conditioned using solar power.


Posted by: Unfoggetarian: "Pause endlessly, then go in" (9) | Link to this comment | 07-12-14 7:00 PM
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173: I didn't think they did, but I thought the converse was true: that the reason we use three primary colors is because we're looking to span a basically three-dimensional space of physiological responses. (After all, there's a continuum of visible frequencies, so it's not as if there's anything about the underlying light itself that singles out a three-dimensional space.)


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 07-12-14 7:02 PM
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I thought there were three types of photons.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 07-12-14 7:05 PM
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172

I've heard it's actually pretty humid there, so no.


Posted by: DaveLMA | Link to this comment | 07-12-14 7:07 PM
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176: my understanding is that we use three primary colors because people thought (because they knew that humans were trichromats) that you'd need three colors to span the pshyiological space, but that the actual mechanism of opponent processes -- and the human least discriminable difference -- doesn't really line up with that (which is why you have things like TVs with four primary colors). But I don't know the research that well, and also color vision is crazy weird (like, as in, it's really hard to get a straight answer to questions like "so what is color vision for?")


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07-12-14 7:11 PM
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178: Well, the place is a peninsula sticking out into a gulf, so.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 07-12-14 7:12 PM
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But the three primary colors thing is a lot older than knowing that humans are trichromats, isn't it? I thought it predated knowing about cone cells. Maybe part of it is just a combination of historical accident and convenience: it's possible to get a basically satisfactory range of distinguishable hues by mixing three colors but not by mixing two, so artists or whoever a long time ago decided to use three?


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 07-12-14 7:15 PM
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There's also the weird thing that we're descended from a relatively recent bichromat ancestor, and so one of the three receptors is weird.


Posted by: Unfoggetarian: "Pause endlessly, then go in" (9) | Link to this comment | 07-12-14 7:16 PM
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But I feel like there should be at least a pretty good correlation between the number of distinct color receptors and the perceived dimensionality of the color space. We need to figure out how to evolve intelligent dogs and lizards who we can discuss the issue with.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 07-12-14 7:19 PM
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181: I dunno. I suppose it must predate knowing about cone cells (according to this it predates Newton, anyhow) but it seems like it can't possibly predate a relatively sophisticated ability to manipulate the color of light, since color mixing in pigments works completely differently.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07-12-14 7:21 PM
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183: not necessarily; first of all there are actually four types of receptors (counting rods, which also have a characteristic frequency response curve) and second of all there are all kinds of nonlinearities and other context-sensitive inputs before you get to perceptual discriminability.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07-12-14 7:23 PM
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From that link: "Thomas Young is credited with suggesting that the eye has three different kinds of color receptors".

Young also did a lot of work on deciphering the Rosetta Stone. Seems like an interesting guy.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 07-12-14 7:25 PM
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So maybe the equality of the traditional number of primary colors and the number of cones is just down to the law of small numbers (i.e. "there aren't that many small numbers")?


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187: yeah, I mean, if you were looking for the minimum number of colors to do a pretty good job of covering the perceptual range, hard to beat three.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07-12-14 7:29 PM
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I thought there were three types of photons potatoes:

potato
potahto
potatoe


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 07-12-14 7:31 PM
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Wait, we don't have to evolve intelligent dogs; we just need to isolate a society of color-blind people and let them develop their own color theory independent of trichromat hegemony. I guess there might be some ethical issues.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 07-12-14 7:33 PM
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I take the blame for 189.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 07-12-14 7:34 PM
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And surely it's only a matter of time before parents can choose to have designer babies with four or even five distinct kinds of color receptors in their eyes.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 07-12-14 7:36 PM
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192: hey! maybe it's already happening.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 07-12-14 7:40 PM
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"De Vries never wrote about four-coned women again."


Posted by: Bave | Link to this comment | 07-12-14 10:35 PM
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That article is fascinating.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 07-12-14 10:40 PM
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Some humans are tetrachromats. Years ago I wrote a series of (philosophy) seminar papers on colour vision, so read tons of stuff, including Land's original 'retinex' papers.

Clicking through to that link, pre-pwned.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 07-13-14 1:40 AM
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186. Thomas Young had a go at pretty much everything. Brilliant man, sadly overlooked. There's a well regarded biography that I've been meaning to read for years.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 07-13-14 1:45 AM
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