Maybe I can troll the thread a little by noting that the situations aren't as comparable as they seem because one's first drug code violation isn't even made public by the NFL, let alone acted on.
Stephen A. Smith pre-trolled this thread. Unless he's in the video. Didn't watch it. Because video.
Is he the one that said that women should know better than to get beaten up, or something? That's fairly clunky for Unfogged-level trolling.
He said that hitting a woman is wrong, but women also shouldn't provoke men. It doesn't really work, but I bet Stephen A. Smith knows some really annoying women; for all we know, they might even be as annoying as he is, in which case, yeah, they're responsible for being beaten up.
Exactly right. The sophisticated psychological reading of that Stephen A. Smith thing is that Stephen A. Smith knows, in his heart of hearts, that in a just world Stephen A. Smith would be beaten up constantly for being so annoying.
He said that hitting a woman is wrong, but women also shouldn't provoke men.
Hitting other people is wrong, regardless of gender, but there are many situations where I can't muster much sympathy for the person on the receiving end. "Asking for it" is most certainly a real and common phenomenon.
Which one is more likely to interfere with your ability to be a badass on the field on Sunday: spending your downtime mellowing out with weed, or beating up your friends and loved ones? That's the only question concerning the NFL.
They, of course, have to deal with both the practical and public-relations sides of the question, but the moral side is not on their radar.
The bizarre thing isn't the lax treatment of domestic abuse, because the NFL has lax treatment of every crime. The bizarre thing is the draconian treatment of drug violations.
the NFL has lax treatment of every crime
Except end zone celebrations.
Those aren't crimes, they're atrocities.
1998: Leonard Little drives drunk, killing someone. Suspended 8 games.
2009: Donte Stallworth drives drunk, killing someone. Suspended 16 games.
I wonder if in the past, it was just unheard of to suspend a player for any sort of non-fatal crime. Non-fatal and non-drug-related, of course.
On the avoiding it thing, there's a more charitable interpretation and I didn't watch what Smith said so I don't know if that's what he was going for, but there's the "self-preservation" aspect where if I know someone's about to kick my ass I'll try to deescalate the situation so I don't get hurt. Now if I do that I'll either avoid any further interaction with them as opposed to staying in a relationship where it's constantly my responsibility to deescalate when someone's an asshole, or I'll call the cops or get some other kind of backup. If he was saying that someone who's about to hit you, you should try to escape and/or stay calm, fine, I'll buy that. If he's saying that men are jerks and you need to be submissive to keep them from hitting you, well, fuck him.
Ray Lewis killed someone and got a fine but no suspension.
16: And an endless series of credulous, tongue-bathing profiles in venues written and edited mostly by Scared Whitey ESPN, Sports Illustrated, etc., etc. Lots of "Yes, Ray, tell us more about how the awful media made you look bad for being involved in that homicide. The media really are awful."
16: To be precise, two people were killed during a fight in which Ray Lewis took part.
All we can say for sure is that there were two fewer living people and Ray Lewis continued to live.
19: The guilty party was the media, really. The media made God's Linebacker take a plea to testify. And settle the wrongful death suits.
OT: Whilst one is feeling dyspeptic, Saul Bellow's offspring seems either a wanker with execrable taste or a charlatan without shame.
Seems to be comity all around on wife-beating and/or murdering NFL players. I was considering posting whether one concludes that Captain Happy is a big racist.
"It's not to condone it in any way when we say it was that other guy's fault."
That was me. Anyway, as author of the unforgettable "In Praise of Nepostism" Bellow Jr. certainly came out as shameless a long time ago.
Baltimore Ravens no longer allowed to have any players named Ray.
Solved!
I'll take a boldly pro-manslaughter stand and note that I think it's pretty clear that Ray Lewis was guilty of witness tampering but it seems very unlikely that he personally killed anyone. Aaron Hernandez: still the champ!
Aaron Hernandez: still the champ!
But holding at 3 murder charges. My fantasy murder league was hoping for more production.
[Goes to hell.]
21: In case anyone was in any doubt that some conservatives yearn after a time when slurs could be hurled with impunity, it's mentioned twice as a selling point for his recommendations.
Also, I would love to see the ratio of book reviews that mention an author's credentials as "husband and father" compared to those that mention "wife and mother." I'm betting 1:200 easily.
6: Dude, apo, try harder. I daresay everyone here can think of many situations where a person was beyond infuriating. And yet, somehow, that does not mean they deserved to be punched. Funny that.
There's a difference between "deserved to be punched" (lots of people, a lot of the time) and "you should punch" (almost never).
I showed up to trolling camp out of shape and overweight. I probably won't even make the practice squad.
31: Have you spent much time around Stephen A. Smith?
34: Dude, he started out as a Philadelphia sportswriter. (Ye gods, I just looked it up and that was twenty years ago. Truly, there is no justice that this man has remained employed during journalism's freefall.)
Seems to be comity all around on wife-beating and/or murdering NFL players.
Which is odd, because the topic under debate is whether it's ever acceptable to link to Upworthy.com. I will note that the headline is less exploitative of the "curiosity gap" than most; it does tell you that a TV Host is responding angrily to what you will recognize as the Ray Rice thing if you're paying attention. It does not tell you that the TV host in question does very little other than "lose his shit," so it's not entirely in the clear.
the topic under debate is whether it's ever acceptable to link to Upworthy.com
We all know that Heebie died during her impossible drive from Texas to Montana, so it's understandable that post quality would go down a bit.
We also know that Ogged carried Heebie's body back, on an epic, solo journey on horseback through Indian country, to fulfill her dying wish to be buried in Texas.
Tragically, heebie died trying to play attacking soccer in overtime.
True. We came in a procession of skinwalkers and coyotes. Her cold body was draped across the front of my saddle, and I remember thinking, I'm not permitted to think impure thoughts about this now dead ass, but I know of no internet traditions that prohibit me from using it as a work space, and declaring that it is a very useful ass, even as it is now dead.
it is a very useful ass
You can take my Montblanc when you pry it from my friend's cold, dead ass.
40-43 is just tremendous. I won't detract from it by trying to add to it.
21 The apple falls far from the tree. Saul Bellow may have been an asshole, but I'm pretty sure he would have had no problem finding a couple dozen decent or great conservative novels.
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Putting this here to remind myself that things could be much worse, but who the fuck goes out "just to grab a quick dinner" at 7 and two hours later texts home to ask if her partner would like some brought home and then an hour after that responds that, oh, she didn't bother getting any food because she didn't read the reply text? This whole scenario was annoying the first time, which can't have been more than a few weeks ago, and now I'm all petulant and my feelings are hurt. Blech.
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I think we've all gotten drunker than we meant to on rusty nails and forgotten to bring back onion rings from various bars.
There's a difference between "deserved to be punched" (lots of people, a lot of the time) and "you should punch" (almost never).
Sure can be fun though.
"That's no inkwell."
Maybe for something in sepia.
Ogged never misuses an escritoire, I'll tell you that much.
I can't think of a poop joke to add. I must be working to hard.
Go easy, Mobes, you don't want to pop an aneurysm.
Did you know that you can feel half laughing and half horrified, simultaneously, while reading the comments?
Yes. Like when someone posts using a dead person's pseud.
46: in soviet russia, quick dinner grabs you and steals cell phone!
I have truly been ruined by the stupid clickbait headlines like Upworthy and my reading comprehension has been broken. There was a headline this morning that said, "Stranded Whale Watching Boat Returning to Boston," and I thought, oh, it's something about a distressed whale watching people go by on a boat in Boston harbor.
56 is great. Language Log calls them "crash blossoms" and collects them, most recently this, from the AP:
Dutch military plane carrying bodies from Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 crash lands in Eindhoven.
Haha, the website went back and added a hyphen between whale and watching. I guess other people noticed too. I still blame Upworthy.
Those British keep leaving waffles on the Fauklands.
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The perils of on-line dating. Has Zuckerberg bought OKC?
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