Re: Road trip and Iceland

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Was the actual article bad, or just the way Slate framed it? (I'd saved for later reading the same article published in a different venue, with the title "The Icelandic experience challenges the view that constitutional process must be exclusionary and secretive.")

It seems like the main lesson here is that you're not going to have real constitutional change if you leave veto power in the hands of existing winners, who are unlikely to want to change a system that they've successfully gamed. See also the British Columbia Citizens' Assembly: "In 2004, the government of British Columbia embarked on a bold democratic experiment: it created an assembly of 160 near-randomly selected citizens to assess and redesign the province's electoral system. The British Columbia Citizens' Assembly represents the first time a citizen body has had the power to reform fundamental political institutions" ... which failed because their proposals were subject to a 60% supermajoritarian referendum hurdle, and hence "lost" when they got only 57% of the vote.


Posted by: x.trapnel | Link to this comment | 08- 1-14 9:29 AM
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Slate's framing, specifically.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 08- 1-14 9:30 AM
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kids were fine, and I actually just found it difficult myself to be trapped in a car for that long. I thought that by the time you're an adult, you can take endless road trips without any problem, but it turns out that the last leg of the trip I was really antsy

Aha! Who got it right?

Now I think I need to write a self-help parenting book The Self-Focused Parent: How to raise better children by making them take care of you.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 08- 1-14 9:30 AM
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Your prize is flying to Montana and driving my children back to Texas!


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 08- 1-14 9:32 AM
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4: Where's my ticket?


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 08- 1-14 9:36 AM
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they'll understand it's not a renewable resource.

"Enjoy your treats while they last! You won't have them, or Grandma, forever."


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 08- 1-14 9:38 AM
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5: Save your receipts for the reimbursement form.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 08- 1-14 9:39 AM
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7: Ok! My wife's going away for the weekend, so I have to bring my stepdaughter and dog. Your kids are going to love our dog! This is going to be be so much fun!


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 08- 1-14 10:16 AM
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What a relief. Please treat yourself to the best steak in Wyoming.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 08- 1-14 10:18 AM
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In World War Z (the novel), Iceland was one of the last places on earth totally infested by zombies. Just sayin'.


Posted by: bill | Link to this comment | 08- 1-14 12:52 PM
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Vaguely on the subject of trips, we're planning our first family trip in five years that isn't visiting other family. I'm finding it stressful because I have no idea what I want to do, or what is possible to do on vacation with a two-year-old. It seems like the default thing is to rent a room somewhere near a beach, and take the two-year-old to the beach. I don't know that I'm going to find this preferable to going to work.


Posted by: Nathan Williams | Link to this comment | 08- 1-14 1:30 PM
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Vacations are just trips unless you've got extra adults who like your kids.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 08- 1-14 5:28 PM
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11 -- not quite for a 2 year old, but for 3 and up I highly recommend skiing. You get an activity+day care for the kid+some vague sense the kid is learning a skill+non skill learning day care. The only downside is that it costs a zillion dollars.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 08- 1-14 6:35 PM
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Also don't knock just going to the beach too much, the key is to find a really nice ass beach to go to, preferably with day care. I can recommend one in your area! Unfortunately the zillion dollar problem is also an issue.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 08- 1-14 6:38 PM
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Have in-laws that looooooove small children.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 08- 1-14 6:41 PM
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Have in-lawscommenters that looooooove small children.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 08- 1-14 6:45 PM
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Don't be creepy, Eggplant.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 08- 1-14 6:46 PM
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"I love to pick up and drive small children in Montana!" Creepy or no?


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 08- 1-14 6:47 PM
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Hey man, parts of Montana are gorgeous.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 08- 1-14 6:51 PM
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Let's have him try it out, and then we can decide if it's creepy. Peep and Eggie can have an adventure.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 08- 1-14 7:09 PM
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Unfogged group vacation/daycare pool at the geographical center of Unfogged, which is, I don't know, Newfoundland.


Posted by: lourdes kayak | Link to this comment | 08- 1-14 7:14 PM
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Or somewhere towards the center of the earth.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 08- 1-14 7:22 PM
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Atlantic Ocean, some depth down?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 08- 1-14 7:22 PM
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14: is an ass beach like the opposite of a topless beach?


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 08- 1-14 7:32 PM
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In-laws do love small children, but they're ten hours away.


Posted by: Nathan Williams | Link to this comment | 08- 1-14 7:33 PM
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For complicated reasons, I'm actually near a beach within two hours of your presumed location RIGHT NOW Nathan Williams. If you drive your kids up here I'm ready to party with them.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 08- 1-14 7:36 PM
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Not in a creepy way.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 08- 1-14 7:38 PM
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I mean does an ass beach have to be creepy? Only if you're a creep to begin with.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 08- 1-14 7:39 PM
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Unless your kids are libertarians. Then things are getting creepy up in this bitch.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 08- 1-14 7:41 PM
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Hot damn am I getting derunk in this New England near beach community that I am in for annoying, complicated reasons. If I get into a fight, can we do a meetup at my bail hearing? What does the bible say.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 08- 1-14 7:45 PM
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I'd ask you to redact that but honestly at this point how can I legitimately ask to redact anything. Let's start a fist fight!


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 08- 1-14 7:47 PM
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Some guy is staring at me funny for using the IPhone! I'm going to go over to speak with him to defend ALL of your honors..


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 08- 1-14 7:49 PM
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30: e-mail us where you are, Halford!


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 08- 1-14 8:01 PM
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Southern Maine.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 08- 1-14 8:03 PM
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I totally intimidated IPhone stater with the power of eyebrows and crossfit.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 08- 1-14 8:04 PM
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Honestly it is so beautiful here in summer that it is objectively better than Southern California. Still, let's see who I can provoke a fight with to prove otherwise.


Posted by: Rover Halfdn | Link to this comment | 08- 1-14 8:07 PM
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Man, if you were closer, I'd totally track you down.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 08- 1-14 8:07 PM
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Bostoniangirl Vs. Rover Halfdn
FIGHT!


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 08- 1-14 8:08 PM
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No fight. I just want to go to the beach. I agree that Maine is beautiful in the summer.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 08- 1-14 8:10 PM
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We're about to leave for our a trip to a place with loads of extra adults who like our child and even so it doesn't entirely seem like it will be better than staying put. I mean, it will, it will be great! but right now on the eve of leaving, it does not seem so great.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 08- 1-14 8:11 PM
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We have friends (multiple families) (academics and/or K-12 teachers) who set off for yearly epic road trips that often occupy nearly all of the summer. To me, it really doesn't sound like as much fun as having a whole entire summer to putter around your house. They seem to like it.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 08- 1-14 8:16 PM
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That is, with kids in day camps or daycare. If your alternative is being at home with the kids every day, by all means go for an epic roadtrip and at least shake things up.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 08- 1-14 8:18 PM
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Day 1 done. Wyoming.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 08- 2-14 6:39 PM
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Treat yourself to a nice steak.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 08- 2-14 6:41 PM
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And shoot someone in the face.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 08- 2-14 7:21 PM
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Done.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 08- 2-14 7:22 PM
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Next week we'll be going to Yellowstone for 10 days and its a really nice drive from here up through WY. East to Evanston then north through Star Valley and Teton.


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 08- 2-14 7:58 PM
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47: I suspect the part heebie's driving through is a lot less picturesque than that part.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 08- 2-14 8:51 PM
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It's pretty, but super monotonous.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 08- 2-14 10:08 PM
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Huh so the answer to the question "why does that mountain range seem to be called essentially The Tits?" is "because that is in fact where the name comes from." Thanks, internet! (Bok bok!)


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 08- 2-14 10:55 PM
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French explorers are super into tits.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 08- 2-14 10:56 PM
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I mean I guess naming a mountain The Big Tit isn't exactly inexplicable, though it's a little fourth-gradeish. Is there a word like phallic/yonic but meaning breastular?


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 08- 2-14 11:00 PM
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This is the worst insomnia, laying on the floor of this overpriced shitty peak season motel, so I can be directly in the stream of the failing AC unit. It's not even that hot out but my internal temp is wacky. So various limbs keep falling asleep, but not me, and tomorrow's drive keeps seeming worse and worse.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 08- 2-14 11:01 PM
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I'm hoping writing all that out will allow me to sleep. That is my plan.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 08- 2-14 11:02 PM
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Not much worse than insomnia that amplifies itself by creating worries about things it, itself is going to make worse. I dunno, keep reading. Teo says the Teo and Smearcase show is not very interesting so we might lull you to sleep.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 08- 2-14 11:02 PM
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Tetons, hooray.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 08- 2-14 11:03 PM
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On the other hand it has been minutes upon minutes since Teo's last comment so it's possible he's already asleep and I will just have to tell you bedtime stories. Once upon a time there was a cell phone that wanted more than anything else in the whole world to swim...


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 08- 2-14 11:06 PM
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Hey, it worked.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 08- 2-14 11:08 PM
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I actually off-blogged you a whole message on how tightly I was gripping my phone on the in laws boat. Somehow I thought I'd like to have it to take photos but I ended up sitting on it to be safe. Obviously the message wouldn't go through from the middle of a lake, so no sanctity is being v'd.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 08- 2-14 11:09 PM
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Teo says the Teo and Smearcase show is not very interesting so we might lull you to sleep.

Prove me wrong!


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 08- 2-14 11:15 PM
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Except the sanctity of sleep. Unfogged doth murder sleep.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 08- 2-14 11:16 PM
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Actually I've spent the past few minutes reading about breast-shaped hills, for which I blame Smearcase.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 08- 2-14 11:16 PM
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Oh great now I feel like I have to admit to a murder or something.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 08- 2-14 11:16 PM
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Or admit to something else super interesting so as to avoid the stylistic no-no of two three comments in a row referencing murder.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 08- 2-14 11:18 PM
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I could murder a burger right about now.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 08- 2-14 11:27 PM
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I could murder some Tums.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 08- 2-14 11:28 PM
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I don't think there's actually any stylistic restraint on number of comments referencing murder.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 08- 2-14 11:36 PM
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I had to get up at 4-ish this morning because I stupidly booked an early flight. How does anyone function at this kind of hour?


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 08- 3-14 2:26 AM
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I was up at 3:50 to settle a baby. He didn 't really settle so fitful sleep from about 5 - 6:30 for me. Sucks. Never ever been a morning person, never will be. I think super early risers (by choice) are all serial killers in waiting.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 08- 3-14 3:15 AM
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...waiting impatiently for their victims to wake up, because there's no fun in murdering someone in their sleep.


Posted by: torrey pine | Link to this comment | 08- 3-14 5:25 AM
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because there's no fun in murdering someone in their sleep.

Oh, I don't know...


Posted by: Opinionated Macbeth | Link to this comment | 08- 3-14 10:23 AM
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We've achieved Denver.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 08- 3-14 4:51 PM
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Because it's fascinating to hear about someone's accumulation of miles.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 08- 3-14 4:52 PM
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I'm certainly fascinated.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 08- 3-14 4:53 PM
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Are Jammies & Ace flying back from here or are they staying with you?


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 08- 3-14 4:56 PM
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I used all my miles to go back to Nebraska for my reunion.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08- 3-14 5:01 PM
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We just dropped them off at the airport. From here on out it's me and the HPs.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 08- 3-14 5:03 PM
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Do you have different DVD for this leg, or is it still Annie?


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 08- 3-14 5:08 PM
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We've only watched Annie once in the past two days. The current hits are Tom & Jerry and Umi Zoomi.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 08- 3-14 5:12 PM
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I like the updates too, though I'm really glad I'm not driving little children cross-country for 4 days.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 08- 3-14 5:35 PM
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We've driven close to 10,000 miles in the past month and a bit: from Davis, CA to Cleveland, OH; from Cleveland, OH to State College, PA and back 9x; from State College, PA to Gettysburg, PA and back; from State College, PA to Baltimore, MD and back; from State College, PA to Bucks County, PA and back; from State College, PA to Cleveland, OH; from Cleveland, OH to Toronto, ON; from Toronto, ON to Ancramdale, NY; from Ancramdale, NY to Bucks County, PA and back; from Ancramdale, NY to Oquossoc, ME; from Oquossoc, ME to Sag Harbor, NY; from Sag Harbor, NY to Cleveland, OH; and from Cleveland, OH to Toronto, ON, where we are now. In the next two week, we'll travel from Toronto, ON to Boston, MA; from Boston, MA to State College, PA; from State College, PA to Cleveland, OH and back; from State College, PA to Washington, DC and back.


Posted by: Von Wafer | Link to this comment | 08- 3-14 6:08 PM
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We've made it through the entire Lord of the Rings trilogy and most of the Harry Potter books on tape.


Posted by: Von Wafer | Link to this comment | 08- 3-14 6:09 PM
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What on earth. Are you delivering something by hand?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 08- 3-14 6:32 PM
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If my life were a decent mystery novel, I would know of corpses found in those places.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08- 3-14 6:34 PM
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VW must really hate airplanes.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 08- 3-14 6:36 PM
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Anyway, relatives and friends think I'm avoiding them, but at least I'm not building a huge carbon footprint this summer.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08- 3-14 6:36 PM
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83: we're semi-homeless, so we've been couch-surfing with friends and relatives. It's all been surprisingly fan, actually, because the kids are both old enough and young enough to listen to books on tape. Actually, the older boy was at camp for about a month of the epic journey, so we got to hang out with the little guy alone, which was incredibly nice.


Posted by: Von Wafer | Link to this comment | 08- 3-14 6:37 PM
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Fan or fun. Whatever.


Posted by: Von Wafer | Link to this comment | 08- 3-14 6:37 PM
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I like 83s implication that VW and his family are drug mules.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 08- 3-14 6:41 PM
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A masochistic tribute to Simon and Garfunkel's "America"?


Posted by: torrey pine | Link to this comment | 08- 3-14 6:44 PM
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Especially this part: from Cleveland, OH to State College, PA and back 9x


Posted by: torrey pine | Link to this comment | 08- 3-14 6:45 PM
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81 suggests that State College is a nice place to settle down.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 08- 3-14 6:46 PM
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First the story about the adjunct homeless woman, and now Von Wafer!?!?! The man has won a prize and PSU won't even pay him a living wage. Bérubé must be getting all the money.

Is there a Square Cash or Venmo account set up for donations?


Posted by: will | Link to this comment | 08- 3-14 6:51 PM
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Well, we already had one pretty solid piece of evidence that VW is terrible at making decisions.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 08- 3-14 7:19 PM
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91: That is an unfair stereotype. Fewer than one in ten people in Cleveland is an illegal drug wholesaler.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08- 3-14 7:29 PM
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VW is terrible at making decisions

If California runs out of water* soon, he's going to look like a genius.

* what does this actually mean?


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 08- 3-14 7:33 PM
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96.last: That Halford can't wash his car and Megan has killed a guy who refused to fix a leaking toilet after five weeks of notice.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08- 3-14 7:36 PM
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Water will be shipped in from Ohio.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 08- 3-14 7:42 PM
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I've consoled myself about my exile from California with the thought that at least we don't have to worry about water, and a Great Lake up and becomes undrinkable.


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It was one of the smaller ones.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08- 3-14 8:03 PM
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