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Oh look, I did that thing again where you think I'm offline, and then I stomp on your post. We'll be on the road in 30 minutes, I swear.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 08- 2-14 6:03 AM
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Worst co-blogger ever.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 08- 2-14 6:07 AM
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I cob-log like I parent.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 08- 2-14 6:08 AM
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Did I used to complain about that? I guess I still generally find video a bit tl:dr.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 08- 2-14 6:17 AM
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Happy trails.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 08- 2-14 8:45 AM
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It's always ok to stomp on posts that are just links to, or embedded, video.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 08- 2-14 1:05 PM
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"I like Jewel videos"-- Ogged.


Posted by: FL | Link to this comment | 08- 2-14 1:23 PM
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You too cool for school types are missing a fun video.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 08- 2-14 1:49 PM
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That is a fun video. Sometimes I wish Jewel were still the world's most famous Alaskan.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 08- 2-14 2:56 PM
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I've been away for a few days. What did you do to get famous so quickly?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08- 2-14 2:59 PM
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A gentleman never tells.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 08- 2-14 3:01 PM
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Today I saw a Nissan with antique plates (i.e. the plates you get for an older car you have in a collection, not for daily use). It looked really nice for a 25 to 30 year-old Nissan*, but still it seemed odd.

* A car has to be 25 years old to get the plate and a Nissan that is more than 30 years old is a Datsun.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08- 2-14 3:18 PM
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Teo, have you watched any of "Alaska: The Last Frontier"? Follows the Kilchers--Jewel's extended family--on their homestead outside of Homer.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 08- 2-14 4:11 PM
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No, but I've heard about it. I think it's considered one of the better Alaska reality shows, which isn't saying much.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 08- 2-14 4:16 PM
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Ok, you verbal virtuosos, I need some help in an ongoing philosophy argument with my wife. I'm looking for some technical French or German term that means "half-glimpsed" which I keep imagining exists. It's not going to convince her anymore than "half-glimpsed" itself does, but I'm feeling the need to up my rhetorical game.
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Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 08- 2-14 4:16 PM
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14: I sort of watched an episode or two (my wife was the one really watching) and it was somewhat interesting. But yeah, the state must easily lead in reality TV crews per capita.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 08- 2-14 4:18 PM
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But yeah, the state must easily lead in reality TV crews per capita.

I'm sure it does, and not everyone is happy about it.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 08- 2-14 4:25 PM
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By one count there have been 34 Alaska reality shows in the past five years.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 08- 2-14 4:29 PM
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Today I saw a Nissan with antique plates (i.e. the plates you get for an older car you have in a collection, not for daily use).

In CA the plates stay with the vehicle when it changes hands so all the classic cars still all have the old plates from the same era. It's pretty neat.


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 08- 2-14 4:29 PM
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Those direct-democracy type things never work out as population increases. You need to have the people elect representatives to shoot fireworks at the helicopters instead of letting everybody do their own.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08- 2-14 4:29 PM
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15: presque vu?


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 08- 2-14 4:31 PM
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21: I dunno, it appears to have been pretty successful in this particular case.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 08- 2-14 4:31 PM
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22 to 20.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 08- 2-14 4:32 PM
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Successful? He missed.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08- 2-14 4:37 PM
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Thanks. Not exactly right, but I'll use it at some point.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 08- 2-14 4:38 PM
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I'll probably try take a run down the mise en abyme road as well. The garden that frames the garden.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 08- 2-14 4:41 PM
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I thought the road names in your area were all woodsy-type stuff or just really racist.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08- 2-14 4:45 PM
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24: He wasn't actually trying to shoot down the helicopter, and he succeeded in scaring the reality show people away.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 08- 2-14 4:45 PM
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28: That's his post-hoc statement. If he'd called it ahead of time, I'd buy it.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08- 2-14 4:46 PM
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Well, successfully shooting down a helicopter that's flying over your house seems like a Pyrrhic victory at best.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 08- 2-14 4:48 PM
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Touche.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08- 2-14 4:49 PM
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20 -- A while back I linked to that ad from a state senator running in the Rep US House primary where he shoots down a drone. He came in second.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOoXJI4vBns


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 08- 2-14 6:15 PM
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32: He's quite the freedom fighter. Wow.


Posted by: Just Plain Jane | Link to this comment | 08- 2-14 6:33 PM
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19: You can now get CA vanity plates in the old colors. My boyfriend and I joked about getting black and yellow plates for his Honda Fit.


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 08- 2-14 6:47 PM
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Jane, I recollected Charlotte Whitten on that "Eve" thread.


Posted by: idp | Link to this comment | 08- 2-14 6:48 PM
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Those plates were iconic for the whole continent, and probably for the Dominions beyond the seas. The old Hot Rod magazines, that title but also its competitors and stablemates, were filled with dream cars with those plates.


Posted by: idp | Link to this comment | 08- 2-14 6:51 PM
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Speaking of reality shows, we watched a bunch of Naked Dating with Jammies' family.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 08- 2-14 7:25 PM
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Man, everyone has their own reality show.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 08- 2-14 7:34 PM
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You can now get CA vanity plates in the old colors.

You can pre-order them, it looks like from the state site - they won't come out until next year, and even then only if there are enough pre-orders for a given style.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 08- 2-14 9:27 PM
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I find the idea of Naked Dating amusing and would totally watch it but we don't actually get tv channels for the usual reasons of moral and intellectual purity. Reality shows about Alaska I do not think I would watch. I can't muster a lot of curiosity about Alaska.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 08- 2-14 10:52 PM
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Aw. It's a really interesting place!


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 08- 2-14 10:53 PM
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I do suspect most or all of the reality shows suck, though.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 08- 2-14 10:54 PM
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Ha, I was like "should I post that, knowing the only person likely to respond is in Alaska?" I guess the thing is less that I'm convinced it's uninteresting than that I'm certain I'll never go there.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 08- 2-14 10:57 PM
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That's okay. Most people never got to Alaska.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 08- 2-14 11:53 PM
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After all, it's really isolated from everywhere else in the world except places that are similarly famous for being isolated, like the Yukon and Siberia.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 08- 2-14 11:56 PM
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Speaking of the Yukon and Siberia, I'm finally reading 1491 and it's super-interesting but it leaves me kinda confused about the current status of the whole overkill story.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 08- 3-14 2:27 AM
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teofilo, it's on my bucket list. So if I get a sufficiently slow, cheap cancer you have to show me where to catch some decent trout. I did once stopover in anchorage


Posted by: Nworb Werdna | Link to this comment | 08- 3-14 3:49 AM
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I can't muster a lot of curiosity about Alaska.

Really? Alaska is incredible--like going to another planet where your money and language still work. And it's only three-and-a-half hours from SeaTac.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 08- 3-14 5:34 AM
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48: forswearing plane travel might have something to do with it.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 08- 3-14 5:38 AM
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I find the idea of Naked Dating amusing and would totally watch it...Reality shows about Alaska I do not think I would watch.

Naked in Alaska.


Posted by: AcademicLurker | Link to this comment | 08- 3-14 6:04 AM
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43: we should totally drive up to Alaska together. And then make the trip into a reality show. Except that it would be pretty boring, because we mostly agree on everything. Maybe McManus would join us to goose ratings?


Posted by: Von Wafer | Link to this comment | 08- 3-14 6:26 AM
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51 I would so totally make an exception to my no reality TV entertainment diet to watch.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 08- 3-14 7:02 AM
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51: I could see how many hours I was able to spend recriminating you for being a nice semi-local person and then leaving. That's good television, right?


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 08- 3-14 7:49 AM
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48: you're new around here, aren't you?


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 08- 3-14 7:57 AM
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I'm finally reading 1491 and it's super-interesting but it leaves me kinda confused about the current status of the whole overkill story.

My understanding is that it's still pretty up in the air and there's no real consensus. People publish papers regularly arguing for one side or the other based on some new piece of evidence or reanalysis of existing evidence. I think Mann goes a bit too far in implying that the anti-overkill side is now ascendant, but I've only read a few of the papers myself.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 08- 3-14 2:21 PM
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So if I get a sufficiently slow, cheap cancer you have to show me where to catch some decent trout.

I guess there are places in Alaska where you can fish for trout, and I'm sure some people do, but I'm not sure why when there's so much salmon available. But then I'm no fisherman myself.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 08- 3-14 2:22 PM
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56: Salmon and trout are close relatives so places like the Kenai that have big salmon also have monster trout. Rainbows are great fighters on the line and are fun as hell to catch.


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 08- 3-14 2:37 PM
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I read 1491 and 1493 entirely because teo made me.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 08- 3-14 2:37 PM
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58: And?


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 08- 3-14 2:43 PM
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Actually that's impressive since I haven't even read 1493 myself. I intend to at some point, though.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 08- 3-14 2:44 PM
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I liked 1491 a great deal, and 1493 less so. The second book seems a bit stretched out. I tried to read 1491 a bit skeptically, since it's obviously written to promote a certain point of view, but it had a big impact on how I imagine the pre-Columbian Americas looked.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 08- 3-14 3:36 PM
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I sort of liked 1941 but it wasn't great or anything.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08- 3-14 3:39 PM
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Yeah, it's definitely best to read 1491 skeptically. It's very engaging and I think the overall message is reasonable, but he's definitely picking sides in active scholarly disputes, and his presentation tends to downplay the amount of controversy involved.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 08- 3-14 3:39 PM
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62: But I hear good things about 4119.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 08- 3-14 3:47 PM
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62: Did you have a view of what North America looked like before Columbus? I pictured it being like 10 people running in a gigantic forest.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 08- 3-14 3:48 PM
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Missing that Moby is making a joke is possibly the most embarrassing possible failure.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 08- 3-14 3:56 PM
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Right. Because I though 1491 was great.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08- 3-14 4:01 PM
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That is a bad video. I should know, Matt Welch of Reason fame made fun of me for complaining about it at my old blog.

By mixing with the rabble and then revealing her powers, Jewel sucks the fun out of karaoke. The message of this video is that, actually, most people can't do the things celebrities do, that privilege follows a natural order, and there's no point in trying to join the elect if you're not already in it.



Posted by: k-sky | Link to this comment | 08- 3-14 8:17 PM
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But...that's ridiculous. She can't stop anyone else from sounding good. And "privilege" just seems inappropriate there--success is at issue, and we all know that there's a lot of luck involved in success, but it was nice to see that here's a somewhat shlocky artist that we like to make fun of, but she's genuinely talented enough to wow people without the imprimatur of a record label. ("Celebrities" is also inappropriate, conjuring the Kardashians and MTV veejays and the like--she's a performer, and most people can't perform like even middling pros.) It's a nice anti-cynicism video.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 08- 3-14 8:49 PM
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By mixing with the rabble and then revealing her powers, Jewel sucks the fun out of karaoke. The message of this video is that, actually, most people can't do the things celebrities do, that privilege follows a natural order, and there's no point in trying to join the elect if you're not already in it.

I'm kind of curious how you came to that conclusion. I can't say the blog post makes it crystal clear to me.


Posted by: remy | Link to this comment | 08- 3-14 9:50 PM
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I hadn't realized the fun in karaoke was contingent on being able to undermine the natural order.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 08- 3-14 9:53 PM
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Er, to be a bit less hit-and-runny: it seemed like the crowd was having quite a bit of fun. The dominant feelings seemed to be joy and exuberance at getting to hear Karen/Jewel sing, and astonishment at her talent. Is the fun supposed to be getting sucked out for us?

I didn't see any expression of the idea that Jewel's talent was just part of the immutable order of things, or unattainable to us plebs, or anything like that; setting up a strong wall between the audience and Jewel didn't seem like part of what the video was trying to achieve.* "Anti-cynicism" seems like a good way to describe it to me; contrast the tone here with the depressed tone of the NYT (?) article discussing the famous subway violinist almost no one paid any attention to.

Inasmuch as it was supposed to be a joke, I didn't find it funny. If it was even intended to be a joke, I guess it was on the audience. But it didn't seem malicious.

* I mean, I'm not exactly sure just what the video was trying to achieve, other than making a moderately entertaining, maybe anti-cynical, video. I'm not sure there's a message here at all. But I usually find out later I'm missing the point when I think that.


Posted by: remy | Link to this comment | 08- 3-14 10:04 PM
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It was the Washington Post.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 08- 3-14 10:11 PM
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The Joshua Bell thing was understandable, I suppose. Sturgeon's law needs some sort of instrumental busker coda, as 99% (or 99.9%) of them are shit,* and when you get to the remaining 1% (or 0.1%) how many are going to stop for long enough and be experienced enough listeners to tell the difference between Bell and someone else competently playing a Bach partita or whatever?

* I am a decent jack-of-all-trades guitar player but no virtuoso and can probably count on the fingers of one hand the number of solo guitar buskers I seen, ever, I wasn't easily more competent than.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 08- 4-14 2:20 AM
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Caucasian DC is uniquely shitty IME for people not paying attention to their physical environment. Possible others: the Manhattan of those too powerful for the subway (but how to get a crowd of those? I guess the engagement brags come closest), LA, or Shanghai would be worse.

I liked the video-- fun for everybody, even the vimeo audience.


Posted by: lw | Link to this comment | 08- 4-14 8:05 AM
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99% (or 99.9%) of them are shit,* and when you get to the remaining 1% (or 0.1%) how many are going to stop for long enough and be experienced enough listeners

God point. I had to sit and eat lunch to realize that the guy playing the Casio keyboard who did a near-perfect Elton John imitation was also capable of doing a near-perfect Billy Joel imitation.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 08- 4-14 8:09 AM
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