Re: Ydnew ni Nas Ocsicnarf no Yadnom

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Golb evil!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 08- 8-14 9:36 AM
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What does it say that I instinctively pasted that into a ROT13 decoder?


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 08- 8-14 9:50 AM
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It's amazing to me that I never before realized that "Ydnew" was just a normal name spelled backwards.


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 08- 8-14 10:04 AM
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The question is, though, which normal name spelled backwards is it?


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 08- 8-14 10:05 AM
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Especially since your prents named you El Pru.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 08- 8-14 10:05 AM
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prents s/b p-rents


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 08- 8-14 10:06 AM
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My guess is Carla.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 08- 8-14 10:07 AM
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Tlas Hserf tseggus ot tsrif eht eb em tel.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 08- 8-14 10:09 AM
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emas drow peek. Yrrab redro


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 08- 8-14 10:11 AM
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3: Me neither! But I'm not amazed.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 08- 8-14 10:13 AM
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If it was written as "ydneW", I'd have realized it immediately.


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 08- 8-14 10:18 AM
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Or if it had been hyphenated, maybe.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 08- 8-14 10:19 AM
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11: Yeah, I think even I would have figured that out.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 08- 8-14 10:19 AM
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Setaborper ot knird!


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 08- 8-14 10:22 AM
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emas drow peek. Yrrab redro

Drow?! Yikes!


Posted by: Annelid Gustator | Link to this comment | 08- 8-14 10:22 AM
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In all seriousness, people, let's get our meetup on.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 08- 8-14 10:22 AM
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So all went well until neb began to invert, no longer the order of the words in the sentence, but that of the letters in the word.

This further modification neb carried through with all his usual discretion and sense of what was acceptable to the ear, and aesthetic judgement. Nevertheless to one, such as me, desirous above all of information, the change was not a little disconcerting.


Posted by: lourdes kayak | Link to this comment | 08- 8-14 10:22 AM
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I was serious.


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 08- 8-14 10:24 AM
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I was serious.


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 08- 8-14 10:24 AM
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Very serious.


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 08- 8-14 10:24 AM
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10: Now I recall that I actually knew this (she alluded to her first name in a previous thread) and I managed to forget! Now, I am amazed.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 08- 8-14 10:26 AM
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?yadnoM sihT

I'm around. Maybe Rosamunde?


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 08- 8-14 10:38 AM
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Yes this very monday, the one which is the day after the day after tomorrow!


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 08- 8-14 10:42 AM
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"Ocsicnarf" is fun to say.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 08- 8-14 10:44 AM
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I can't make it. Will read any liveblog after the fact.


Posted by: Bave | Link to this comment | 08- 8-14 10:49 AM
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I may be able to make it, but I won't really know until day of.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 08- 8-14 10:49 AM
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I'll be in Oakland that day & might could be free sometime after 7.


Posted by: Benquo | Link to this comment | 08- 8-14 11:34 AM
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17: OP has an endianness problem.


Posted by: a tair lad | Link to this comment | 08- 8-14 12:56 PM
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How many Unfogged readers/commenters are remembers of the world's largest scientific society, anyway?


Posted by: Klug | Link to this comment | 08- 8-14 1:09 PM
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National Geographic?


Posted by: Bave | Link to this comment | 08- 8-14 1:10 PM
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AAAS?


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 08- 8-14 1:29 PM
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I get confused about the difference between the American Academy of Arts and Sciences and the American Association for the Advancement of Science.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 08- 8-14 1:34 PM
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Is one of them a creationist front?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08- 8-14 1:36 PM
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I make it easy on myself by not belonging to either.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 08- 8-14 1:37 PM
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32: I sometimes mix up the National Academy of Sciences with them, too. The one with "Arts" in the name has the spiffy building nearby, I'm pretty sure.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 08- 8-14 1:48 PM
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30, 31: yteicoS lacimehC naciremA eht claims to be it, even though it's an easily challenged statistic.


Posted by: Klug | Link to this comment | 08- 8-14 2:10 PM
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The National Academy of Sciences building is probably just a box.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 08- 8-14 2:16 PM
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It's a good place to walk your dog.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 08- 8-14 2:19 PM
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||Prac ni CD 4102.90.01 |>


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 08- 8-14 7:47 PM
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I can't commit to anything; Ms. Y's Date of Confinement looms. Is it possible we could choose a place just a teensy bit quieter than last time?


Posted by: Yawnoc | Link to this comment | 08- 8-14 8:37 PM
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Congratulations or I'm sorry she didn't have a better lawyer. Depending.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08- 8-14 8:42 PM
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Oh please quieter.


Posted by: dairy queen | Link to this comment | 08- 8-14 9:04 PM
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I might could make it too! Rosamunde is certainly convenient for coming in from the East Bay.


Posted by: lourdes kayak | Link to this comment | 08- 8-14 9:06 PM
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The sausage place next to toronado on haight? Isn't it kind of small? Confused.


Posted by: dairy queen | Link to this comment | 08- 8-14 9:12 PM
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There's a larger location at Mission and 25th. It's chill.


Posted by: lourdes kayak | Link to this comment | 08- 8-14 9:16 PM
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On a Monday night we could likely have our run of any number of places. Rosamunde's good, as is the Sycamore (only a few blocks down Mission from there).


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 08- 8-14 9:37 PM
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Aaahhh! Either could work and would be nice to meet ydnew.


Posted by: dairy queen | Link to this comment | 08- 8-14 9:48 PM
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40: WHAT? COULD WE A QUIETUS MAKE? ARE YOU GUYS TALKING ABOUT HAMLET?


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 08- 8-14 10:04 PM
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I am pretty sure I could make it at this point, actually. I suppose depending on location I may just drive all the way in to the city, though I'd probably be going at rush hour.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 08- 8-14 10:08 PM
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39: Carp in DC on Oct. 9? (Or Sept. 10?)


Posted by: torrey pine | Link to this comment | 08- 8-14 10:19 PM
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I was confused about that too.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 08- 8-14 10:20 PM
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Charley is American, right? Presumably he's using American date formatting conventions, but backwards. 10/09/2014.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 08- 8-14 10:26 PM
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That seems like the most likely reading, but the backwardsness makes it all confusing.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 08- 8-14 10:28 PM
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Also, using periods between the numbers rather than slashes or hyphens isn't typical American practice, which contributes to the confusion.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 08- 8-14 10:29 PM
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I kept getting confused myself.

I was talking to my brother while making the travel arrangements, and he said that Sept 11 is a great time to travel, as people are afraid of anniversary stuff. Just watch, I'll be proven wrong, but ISTM that (a) they don't operate that way and (b) if they did, they'd use a different calendar.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 08- 8-14 10:31 PM
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So which is it?


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 08- 8-14 10:33 PM
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(I was thinking military, not European.)


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 08- 8-14 10:33 PM
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I guess 55.2 implies September, but everything is confusing now.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 08- 8-14 10:33 PM
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Sept.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 08- 8-14 10:34 PM
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I thought it was an LC call number for a book about Czech archives.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 08- 8-14 10:34 PM
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60: This what happens when you go to library school.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 08- 8-14 10:35 PM
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I still all about the copula omission.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 08- 8-14 10:35 PM
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60 That would be less embarrassing.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 08- 8-14 10:36 PM
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59: yay meetup in DC!


Posted by: torrey pine | Link to this comment | 08- 8-14 10:49 PM
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I wish there were Unfogged commenters in the places I travel for work, but somehow I think if there were any in Nome or Kotzebue I would know it by now.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 08- 8-14 10:52 PM
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I can probably make it Monday. Later is better for me, since I'm coming up from the south bay.


Posted by: Dave W. | Link to this comment | 08- 9-14 12:12 AM
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I'm following but can't easily check in til Sunday - settle on somewhere and I'll be there. Say 7 pm? Or 6?

47: Charmed, thank you.

3/10: I think it's come up before.

29: The boyfriend is at the conference; I'm tagging along mostly to visit family.

59: I think I'm around then.

65: I want so badly to visit where you are, but it's unaffordable without a handy conference to foot bills.


Posted by: ydnew | Link to this comment | 08- 9-14 2:01 AM
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67: Enjoy! (Sadly leaving Sunday night.)


Posted by: Klug | Link to this comment | 08- 9-14 6:42 AM
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65 -- There don't seem to be any in Kamiah or Qualicum either. (I'm writing from the latter right now.) And now I've stopped going where you are too. Find me a lawsuit, though, and I'll go to Nome, St. George, wherever.

67.5, 64 -- We should definitely take this up when it gets closer. I'm staying near Dup Cir.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 08- 9-14 7:54 AM
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According to The Sycamore's webpage, The Sycamore is my favorite bar in the Mission.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 08-10-14 12:34 PM
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Monday? Kind of lost track of the discussion.


Posted by: dairy queen | Link to this comment | 08-10-14 1:05 PM
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The day is in the title! Yadnom!


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 08-10-14 1:07 PM
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!sknahT


Posted by: dairy queen | Link to this comment | 08-10-14 1:19 PM
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Be there or know that your life is empty, void, nothing, a nullity, a perfect unmarred inhuman sphere!

Thanks for the reminder, nosflow!


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 08-11-14 9:56 AM
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That's why I'm here!


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 08-11-14 10:01 AM
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nosflow is already at the bar! Cool!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 08-11-14 10:03 AM
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Si gniggolbevil deriuqer ot eb sdrawkcab? Esuaceb I t'nod kniht I dluoc eldnah taht dna lohocla.


Posted by: ydnew | Link to this comment | 08-11-14 10:13 AM
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77 -- nice try deflecting the fact that you're already drunk on a Monday morning, Ydnew.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 08-11-14 10:17 AM
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The post title and all the on-theme responses are fun if you hear them spoken by Twin Peaks's Man From Another Place.


Posted by: k-sky | Link to this comment | 08-11-14 10:21 AM
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Technically, The Man From Another Place doesn't speak "backwards" -- his speech has been recorded, played backwards, the backwards speech has been transcribed, the transcription recorded, and that recording played backwards to make a backwards-sounding forward speech. That's why you can make out a few of the words.


Posted by: Opinionated Tenth Grade k-sky | Link to this comment | 08-11-14 10:22 AM
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That mug you like is back in style.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 08-11-14 10:29 AM
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Oh man I have to be so wasted before I start typing backwards.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 08-11-14 10:39 AM
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I will be late but probably there by 8.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 08-11-14 6:09 PM
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Yay, fa. I'll head out shortly. For folks who don't know what I look like, I'm wearing a grey T-shirt, jeans, flipflops, and maybe a grey hoodie. Not super distinctive.


Posted by: ydnew | Link to this comment | 08-11-14 6:31 PM
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I'm wearing a grey T-shirt, jeans, flipflops, and maybe a grey hoodie

Maybe you should ride a bike so you'll stand out more.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 08-11-14 6:33 PM
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Except for the footwear, it sounds like clothing to wear to hold up a convenience store.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08-11-14 6:33 PM
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85: I am surrounded by chemists at our hotel. I stand out merely by being a white female.


Posted by: ydnew | Link to this comment | 08-11-14 6:36 PM
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87: so you're saying you'll surround yourself with chemists at the bar to heighten the contrast? "Thanks, fellas. Found the internet people. You can head back."


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 08-11-14 6:44 PM
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I'm going to miss, late night at the office intervening. Sorry to miss you, ydneW.


Posted by: dairy queen | Link to this comment | 08-11-14 6:48 PM
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I should be there shortly. Green shirt, grey hair, glasses. One Bart stop away.


Posted by: Dave W. | Link to this comment | 08-11-14 6:55 PM
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88: More that I wasn't thinking of standing out, more relieved not to.

89: Sorry to miss you. I'm sure I'll be back.


Posted by: ydnew | Link to this comment | 08-11-14 6:59 PM
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Not that I ever actually committed, but I'm gonna miss out too. Have a pork belly donut for me!


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 08-11-14 7:03 PM
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Everybody wear something grey! Hair, shirt, flip flops, hair shirt, pendant, fivefingers, septum piercing, oxford shirt, socks, pubes, dowsing rod: doesn't matter. But at least one thing. Do it for ydnew.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 08-11-14 7:05 PM
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Minivet, ydnew, and I now here, waiting for seating.


Posted by: DaveW | Link to this comment | 08-11-14 7:12 PM
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Minivet, ydnew, and I now here, waiting for seating.


Posted by: DaveW | Link to this comment | 08-11-14 7:12 PM
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Minivet, ydnew, and I now here, waiting for seating.


Posted by: DaveW | Link to this comment | 08-11-14 7:12 PM
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Okay, what now?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 08-11-14 7:14 PM
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Have beer, posting in normal sequence.


Posted by: ydnew | Link to this comment | 08-11-14 7:17 PM
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Needs moar liveblogging


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 08-11-14 7:18 PM
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Also details on these pork belly donuts!


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 08-11-14 7:18 PM
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I'm not really prepared for this climate, but I'm almost there. A few stops on BART.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 08-11-14 7:26 PM
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Through sheer inattention I am in all black except for sneakers and hat and will be there a bit after eight.


Posted by: lourdes kayak | Link to this comment | 08-11-14 7:32 PM
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I don't wear as much gray as I used to.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 08-11-14 7:34 PM
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101/102: Walk straight back to the patio. We've declined trivia.

Pork belly doughnuts do not sound like a good idea to me.


Posted by: ydnew | Link to this comment | 08-11-14 7:38 PM
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I'm going to assume 103 means no more pants for FA.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08-11-14 7:38 PM
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105 Pants are overrated.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 08-11-14 7:41 PM
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We're in the back area. Looks like they're about to start a pub quiz soon. Fake accent just arrived.


Posted by: DaveW | Link to this comment | 08-11-14 7:44 PM
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We have a lurker!


Posted by: ydnew | Link to this comment | 08-11-14 7:50 PM
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Good. He's what's for dinner.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 08-11-14 7:52 PM
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The donuts are fucking delicious. Trust.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 08-11-14 8:04 PM
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110: OK. Will order.

lk, where are you, dude?


Posted by: ydnew | Link to this comment | 08-11-14 8:06 PM
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Super exciting counterprogramming! For science, We tried the grapefruit thing! Skipped the badger noises though.
I can't really endorse it as improving the experience.


Posted by: Warren G. Harding | Link to this comment | 08-11-14 8:15 PM
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112: Thank you for advancing the field.

Waiting for fake accent's food + our donuts.


Posted by: ydnew | Link to this comment | 08-11-14 8:21 PM
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If you're going to skip the badger noises, you can't really say you tried it.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08-11-14 8:21 PM
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I asked her not to. It would have been too weird. Now I wish we'd done it in daytime so I could go lounge in the sun and lightened the carpets, so to speak.

I guess that could be really hazardous with yellow jackets around. Or ants.


Posted by: Warren G. Harding | Link to this comment | 08-11-14 8:25 PM
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Now we are seven!


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 08-11-14 8:28 PM
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We all agree that neb's other plans are bad plans.


Posted by: Yawnoc | Link to this comment | 08-11-14 8:29 PM
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116 to 115.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08-11-14 8:29 PM
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Well done, Warren.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 08-11-14 8:30 PM
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119: the blog has given me so much. I felt a duty to give back.


Posted by: Warren G. Harding | Link to this comment | 08-11-14 8:35 PM
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117: as long as you haven't gotten to the point of thinking me a bad person!


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 08-11-14 8:38 PM
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Have you manipulated LIBOR, taught to the test, or left patients to die in the emergency room?


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 08-11-14 8:42 PM
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121: depends. Did they involve a grapefruit?


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 08-11-14 8:42 PM
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No citrus fruit of any kind.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 08-11-14 8:43 PM
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124: is a pineapple a citrus?


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 08-11-14 8:47 PM
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I bet you know the answer to that.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 08-11-14 8:53 PM
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Neb:: the least you could do is have a life changing orgasm.


Posted by: Yawnoc | Link to this comment | 08-11-14 8:53 PM
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126: I actually didn't at the time I asked. I do now, though.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 08-11-14 8:54 PM
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It has a rind you can't eat, so it must be.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08-11-14 8:55 PM
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One can eat the rinds of citrus fruits.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 08-11-14 8:57 PM
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Then citrus fruits are apples and pineapples are bananas.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08-11-14 9:01 PM
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People are unconvinced* by the pork donuts; I don't eat flesh so can't judge myself.

*Yawnoc is convinced.


Posted by: lourdes kayak | Link to this comment | 08-11-14 9:01 PM
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Is Yawnoc not a person, then?


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 08-11-14 9:12 PM
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Maybe he's Devo.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 08-11-14 9:14 PM
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A corporation.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08-11-14 9:14 PM
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Someone's been putting Magazine, Wire and X-Ray Spex on the jukebox, but I'm not in the main room to find out who they are and hug them.


Posted by: lourdes kayak | Link to this comment | 08-11-14 10:39 PM
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Does anybody need to be denied birth control or labor protections? Over here. I've got rights too.

The problem with pork belly doughnuts is they're not doughnuts. It's a failure to manage expectations. You call it "deep fried pork belly" and who's complaining (except the pig)?


Posted by: Yawnoc | Link to this comment | 08-11-14 11:37 PM
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Now I'm totally confused about what these "pork belly doughnuts" actually are.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 08-11-14 11:40 PM
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Guys in aviator shades and track suits ostentatiously drinking Veuve Clicquot rosé on BART, thank you for the evening's final spectacle.


Posted by: lourdes kayak | Link to this comment | 08-11-14 11:47 PM
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I assume 139 isn't to 138. Otherwise I'm even more confused.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 08-11-14 11:48 PM
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No, 139 is to guys who probably don't know about Unfogged. But maybe one of them was Halford.


Posted by: lourdes kayak | Link to this comment | 08-11-14 11:51 PM
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I'm sure Halford wouldn't be caught dead in San Francisco these days.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 08-11-14 11:54 PM
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Thanks so much to everybody! You're all charming beyond expectations.

Teo, the pork belly doughnuts are (I think) cooked pork belly dipped in a slightly sweet batter then deep fried and served drizzled with maple syrup. Ever had a fried Oreo/fried pickle? Like that. They were fine, but I wasn't so taken with the maple syrup.


Posted by: ydnew | Link to this comment | 08-12-14 12:00 AM
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Teo, the pork belly doughnuts are (I think) cooked pork belly dipped in a slightly sweet batter then deep fried and served drizzled with maple syrup. Ever had a fried Oreo/fried pickle? Like that. They were fine, but I wasn't so taken with the maple syrup.

That sounds... pretty gross, actually.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 08-12-14 12:03 AM
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I'm not sure how it could be described as a "doughnut," either, unless that's just defined as "anything fried."


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 08-12-14 12:05 AM
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But I'm glad the meetup went well.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 08-12-14 12:08 AM
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||
repeating another meetup chance: I'll be in Sacramento this Saturday. Meetup, recommendations? I hear the train museum is great.

Will be at ESA. Will probably blend in.
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Posted by: clew | Link to this comment | 08-12-14 12:11 AM
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144/5: Not gross unless you really don't like sweet & salty combinations. Or fried food.


Posted by: ydnew | Link to this comment | 08-12-14 12:17 AM
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Well, I suppose if it were fried to the point where only the meaty part of the pork belly were left it might be okay, although the maple syrup still gives me pause. For context, the only time I've encountered pork belly is as part of a "BLT" where it replaced the "B" and at the time of ordering I was not totally aware of the difference, which turned out to be considerable.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 08-12-14 12:26 AM
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I would go to Sacramento for a meetup but I'll be out of town this weekend. The railroad museum is good for rolling stock but unless they've improved recently, not great for history. There's also a history museum, which I remember being good for seeing old Central Valley machinery, but not great for history. I liked the Crocker Art Gallery when I saw it, though it's not spectacular, but I haven't seen it since its recent expansion.

Wait, didn't you live in the area? So maybe you already know the sightseeing options. I feel like Sacramento has this potential to do a really great job with California history, but they're falling short.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 08-12-14 12:37 AM
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The pork belly donut wasn't gross, but the pork belly part pretty quickly overwhelms the rest of the taste making the outer doughnut-y part seem kind of pointless.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 08-12-14 12:40 AM
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I guess I'm mostly just unsure about what the appeal of pork belly as a foodstuff is supposed to be.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 08-12-14 12:45 AM
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Some people like to eat meat in various forms.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 08-12-14 12:47 AM
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As opposed to bacon on the one hand, and lard on the other. I think I understand both of those. But then I'm Jewish, so maybe not.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 08-12-14 12:48 AM
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153: Straight fat, though? I mean, I've eaten raw mukluk, but I wouldn't exactly recommend it.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 08-12-14 12:53 AM
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Muktuk, that is. Whale, not seal.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 08-12-14 12:56 AM
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I'm sure I'll eat seal at some point, but I haven't yet.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 08-12-14 12:57 AM
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I don't really know the composition of pork belly. As I say, it wasn't gross, but I'm also not likely to seek it out. One of the sliders I had was pretty good but I ate them so quickly I didn't pay attention to which one was which (lamb vs. beef, I know, it should be easy to tell, but they both had a bunch of sauce).


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 08-12-14 1:01 AM
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Well, it's quite possible the pork belly I had was an outlier, but my memory of it is certainly of a relatively small amount of skeletal muscle attached to a relatively large amount of disgusting fat. But I do think I'm unusually averse to straight fat.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 08-12-14 1:07 AM
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I lived in Davis a bit less than a year and didn't make it to Sacramento, which was silly. The river parks look delicious from the train.


Posted by: clew | Link to this comment | 08-12-14 1:50 AM
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158. Pork belly is spare ribs with the bone taken out. It's fine, you've probably eaten it dozens of times under various guises.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 08-12-14 2:08 AM
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pork belly doughnuts are (I think) cooked pork belly dipped in a slightly sweet batter then deep fried and served drizzled with maple syrup.

This actually made me nauseous when I read it.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 08-12-14 2:45 AM
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It made me salivate.

But I do think I'm unusually averse to straight fat.

It sounds like it. Not all fat is great, but pork fat and lamb fat are amazing. Especially in a pork belly context. I'm not sure how you can like bacon and not like pork belly - it's basically the same cut (in the US), just in joint form and not cured. Of course, maybe you just were served a bad meal.


Posted by: Ginger Yellow | Link to this comment | 08-12-14 4:07 AM
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Pork belly is often cut differently in the US -- more like a thick cube of fat with meat on top if it -- which can lead to a sort of unfortunate failure mode of undercooked fat and overcooked meat if it isn't done right. I mean, I'd still eat it, but I'll eat anything.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 08-12-14 4:16 AM
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I'm glad Ginger Yellow just quoted the part I would have because I concur totally with teo except wouldn't say "straight fat" because I'll get accused of heterophobia. I have had some pork belly in Korean and fusion recipes that I've liked but have still found too close to having unacceptable amounts of fat.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 08-12-14 4:17 AM
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Funnily enough, I find lamb fat pretty rancid, unless it's cooked within a very fine level of tolerance, which it basically never is. Pork belly fat, on the other hand, is delicious.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 08-12-14 4:48 AM
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The only pork belly I've ever been able to eat with real enjoyment is kakuni, the Japanese dish in which it's braised for so long the fat breaks down into a deliciously gelatinous substance. Otherwise, it's just, ugh. But then I would pick the fat off the ham in sandwiches when I was little, and only eat bacon if it was fried to a crisp, so I'm probably also unusually fat-averse.


Posted by: Ume | Link to this comment | 08-12-14 5:16 AM
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Zardoz is about to do another psychogy experiment. Will report back if this one breaks her brain. She has started to figure out that she gets a toy afterwards and is thus more excited than she has been.

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Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 08-12-14 5:54 AM
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Here's hoping she doesn't turn the electro-shock dial up to "Capital Punishment" no matter how many questions the guy gets wrong.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08-12-14 6:04 AM
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I've had pork belly prepared deliciously in Chinese dishes. The US version does seem hit-or-miss.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 08-12-14 6:24 AM
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I've liked the pork belly I had, but it wasn't in doughnut form. I do have trouble eating much very rich food. The one time I had foie gras, I felt a queasy until I ate some vegetable thing to cut the fat. I tried feeling bad for the goose (or gander), but it didn't work.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08-12-14 6:27 AM
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The only pork belly I've ever been able to eat with real enjoyment is kakuni,

The Bento Cafe in Camden does a great buta no kakuni.


Posted by: Ginger Yellow | Link to this comment | 08-12-14 6:34 AM
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Korean pork belly is crazy amazing. I've had good pork belly here but yeah, essear gets it right. For a long time I would always order it when it was on a menu because "fuck yeah, I love the shit out of some pork" but it turns out I actually don't always love the shit out of pork belly, which took a while to sink in.

I tried cooking some on the grill recently; went okay.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 08-12-14 6:35 AM
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169: the experiment took two minutes. That dial must have been on a hair trigger. Er


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 08-12-14 6:39 AM
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Zardoz got him mid-sentence!


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 08-12-14 6:46 AM
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Funny, I thought the dough and glaze overwhelmed the taste of the meat.

Love pork belly as implemented by the new local deli-ish restaurant, in a hash with eggs on top.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 08-12-14 7:03 AM
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Never eaten pork belly.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 08-12-14 7:04 AM
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Bacon is pork belly. Except in Canada.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08-12-14 7:06 AM
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Then I've eaten pork belly.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 08-12-14 7:09 AM
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The deep frying did good things to the excess pork fat. The breading and syrup didn't add much IMHO.

I'm a fat lover (distinct from a chubby chaser) myself. Certainly, if fat puts you off then pork belly is not your jam. I'll never understand people who knowingly order pork belly then complain it's too fatty. (Not accusing anyone here, but I've seen it done.)


Posted by: Yawnoc | Link to this comment | 08-12-14 7:13 AM
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What people mean when they say pork belly is a baconish piece of meat cut an inch thick and not necessarily smoked.


Posted by: Yawnoc | Link to this comment | 08-12-14 7:14 AM
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Well, we mostly eat uncured (but smoked) bacon these days. Something about nitrates and death. I don't recall.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08-12-14 7:16 AM
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Maybe nitrites?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08-12-14 7:16 AM
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The variation in the fat/meat ratio in pieces of pork belly is quite high, but also hot fat can be somewhat delicious by itself if you eat it while it's still hot hot hot. If the skin is left on the belly that's nice too!


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 08-12-14 7:18 AM
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Except for the naturally occurring nitr*tes in celery juice!


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 08-12-14 7:23 AM
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Nitrutes


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 08-12-14 7:24 AM
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185: Right. Except those.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08-12-14 7:25 AM
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Certainly, if fat puts you off then pork belly is not your jam.

Jam is my jam.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 08-12-14 7:29 AM
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Jam was my jam ere I saw Elba.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 08-12-14 7:36 AM
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Melba my toast ere I saw jam.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 08-12-14 7:38 AM
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I'll melba your toast with pleasure, heebs.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 08-12-14 7:39 AM
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Why thank you, Neb! They're usually in bed by eight, but I don't really care when it's not my problem.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 08-12-14 7:41 AM
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I wasn't a big fan of the pork-belly donuts either. The individual flavors were all fine, but the combination didn't work for me. I wound up having the roast beef sandwich afterwards, which was good, and also arrived much more quickly than the sliders or donuts (perhaps because it didn't need much cooking?)

Seemed like there were lots of relatively easy pub quiz questions, but just as well we didn't participate, as that would have prohibited liveblogging for the duration and forced us to concentrate on the questions instead of getting to know each other. They seem to do that every Monday night, so perhaps some other time.

Glad to have a chance to meet up with everyone.


Posted by: Dave W. | Link to this comment | 08-12-14 7:59 AM
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Dave: How's the mouse?


Posted by: Yawnoc | Link to this comment | 08-12-14 9:49 AM
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Deep fried?


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 08-12-14 9:50 AM
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On meetups: the misses and I are going on vacation to Northern Knifecrimea starting later this week; we'll be in Edinburgh over the weekend and perhaps Glasgow for a day a few weeks later, with a bunch of quaint rural places in between. No one here lives up there anymore, do yunz? If I'm wrong, would anyone be up for a meetup?


Posted by: dalriata | Link to this comment | 08-12-14 9:52 AM
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Not these days, alas!


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 08-12-14 10:01 AM
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196: I'll be missing you by about 3 weeks! We're also holidaying up there.


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 08-12-14 1:10 PM
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I adore lamb fat, unlike ttaM, and have to really stop myself from eating the pure fat on the lamb chop. I am not, however, fat-averse in the least.

I definitely do think that pork belly is relatively easy to screw up, though - it's not uncommon to just have way too much fat to meat ratio. I prefer making it at home, for the most part. (I'd probably feel differently if there were Korean restaurants around here.)


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 08-12-14 1:19 PM
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There's a Thai restaurant in SF (now with three locations, good for them) that not only makes great pork belly dishes, but manages to get ahold of really meaty belly pieces. Recommended!


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 08-12-14 1:23 PM
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All this talk of fat is making me wonder whether I shouldn't use some of my retained gribenes in the potato salad I'm probably making tonight. If I only add it to the portions I'm actually going to eat, it has potential, I think. WILL UPDATE AS EVENTS DEVELOP.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 08-12-14 1:25 PM
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I have always been grossed out by fatty meat so I can't really account for why I love pork belly in good preparations like Ssam Bar/Noodle Bar's pork buns or the ramen at the place we always forget the name of across the street from the mall with the karaoke place. Should be gross. Is not gross.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 08-12-14 1:28 PM
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I have always been grossed out by fatty meat so I can't really account for why I love pork belly in good preparations like Ssam Bar/Noodle Bar's pork buns or the ramen at the place we always forget the name of across the street from the mall with the karaoke place. Should be gross. Is not gross.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 08-12-14 1:28 PM
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200: Friends took us to that place I think and it was really terrific. Hopefully this comment will not post twice.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 08-12-14 1:29 PM
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200: Yeah, I think that's why I prefer making it at home - I know for sure that the butcher will cut me/find me a piece with the ratio I want.


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 08-12-14 1:30 PM
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200: Friends took us to that place I think and it was really terrific. Hopefully this comment will not post twice.


Posted by: Opinionated Smearcase Echo | Link to this comment | 08-12-14 1:30 PM
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Oh, have you tried Hawker Fare's pork belly rice bowl? Fantastic. (Apparently it's now only available at lunch though.)


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 08-12-14 1:59 PM
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I think I had that and liked it but it had weirdly medicinal tasting fermented greens.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 08-12-14 2:30 PM
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"medicinal tasting fermented greens" = sign me up.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 08-12-14 2:51 PM
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194: Dead mouse was found stuck to the wall in a dark corner by the china cabinet, and duly disposed of. Not clear if maybe he had tried to squeeze himself into a tight spot to avoid the cat with fatal consequences, or if he had had help. (The cat was home alone the previous few days while we were on vacation, and while we had left plenty of food, he might have decided to branch out...). My son reports that the house still smells, so I'll have to check to see if we have any other visitors.


Posted by: Dave W. | Link to this comment | 08-12-14 6:33 PM
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Hi from the lurker. It was good to meet up with you all.

137.2 got it right on the pork donuts.


Posted by: Frostbite | Link to this comment | 08-12-14 7:49 PM
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Welcome!


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 08-12-14 7:50 PM
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Glad to see some support for my pork belly stance. For the record, I also only like bacon when it's fried to a crisp, which makes ordering it a bit of a gamble.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 08-12-14 7:51 PM
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That's a nice pseud.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08-12-14 7:54 PM
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213: you don't just order it crispy? That's what I usually do.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 08-12-14 7:57 PM
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pork belly stance

I'd heard Neneh Cherry had a new album, but hadn't really heard it yet.

Welcome, Frostbite!


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 08-12-14 8:00 PM
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Frostbite: Ping me sometime and we can get proper bacon doughnuts at Dynamo.


Posted by: Yawnoc | Link to this comment | 08-12-14 8:05 PM
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From fruit baskets to pork donuts.


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 08-12-14 8:25 PM
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That sounds like a dare posed to James Burke.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08-12-14 8:27 PM
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The doughnuts from Dynamo are mostly disappointing.

I'd heard Neneh Cherry had a new album, but hadn't really heard it yet.

She has one with The Thing! It's good.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 08-12-14 8:34 PM
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213/5: I, too, like my bacon crispy, but it's hard to get it as far cooked as I like it. "Almost burnt" is the description I give, but it rarely arrives that way.


Posted by: ydnew | Link to this comment | 08-12-14 8:51 PM
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220.1 is possibly the wrongest thing ever posted here.

217: I also like Dynamo!


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 08-12-14 8:52 PM
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There's basically only one or two Dynamo-branded doughnuts that I enjoy. Let me tell you, it's rough being the only one able to see through all the hype.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 08-12-14 8:55 PM
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Frosbite: Ping Josh too. neb has other plans.


Posted by: Yawnoc | Link to this comment | 08-12-14 8:56 PM
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He's also a bad person.


Posted by: Yawnoc | Link to this comment | 08-12-14 8:58 PM
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God for the FIRST TIME IN MY LIFE I have something akin to a busy social life and are you happy for me? Are you? No. You reject me.


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215: Huh, that had honestly never occurred to me. Usually when I have bacon it's in the context of something else (BLT, burger, etc.) and adding specifications on the bacon seems a little awkward. Mostly I just try to go places where they tend to make it crispy, but the last time I went to one of those places and had a BLT the bacon wasn't crispy at all so that's hardly a perfect system.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 08-12-14 8:59 PM
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226: tell us more!


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 08-12-14 9:04 PM
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Also on team teo/ydnew when it comes to bacon (and sausages). I find asking for them to be incinerated usually produces the goods.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 08-13-14 2:17 AM
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neb: Perhaps we could compromise on pastrami and babka?


Posted by: Yawnoc | Link to this comment | 08-13-14 7:30 AM
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As long as it's not a pastrami/babka sandwich, I'm there.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 08-13-14 7:40 AM
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That really does sound disgusting.


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