Re: The coat rack cost $50.

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We've got two line items of mini refrigerators. Two of them cost $1K each, and three of them cost $50 each.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 08-27-14 8:34 AM
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Three desks cost $160 each, but two others were $0.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 08-27-14 8:34 AM
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We got a three-quarter of a million dollar mine-resistant vehicle. I guess because all the old coal mines.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08-27-14 8:36 AM
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Without looking at the list yet, I've seen some stuff in cop cars here which looks excessive to me for a suburban town.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 08-27-14 8:37 AM
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It seems to show "value", which is not necessarily the amount paid by the LEA.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 08-27-14 8:38 AM
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Also it's kind of unhelpful that it only shows the data at county level.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 08-27-14 8:39 AM
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3: Don't forget the 15 sleeping mats at $8.92 per.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 08-27-14 8:39 AM
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I'm extremely amused that scary old Baltimore City appears to be significantly less militarized than a lot of sleepy suburbs.


Posted by: AcademicLurker | Link to this comment | 08-27-14 8:42 AM
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Surprised that the majority of stuff in my county seems to be non-offensive - clothing, kit bags, tents, that sort of thing. The only offensive weapons are one grenade launcher, 60+ rifles, and a sword and scabbard. (Plus sights and riot shields.)

Somehow I suspect this is not a comprehensive list.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 08-27-14 8:45 AM
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An ex military birthing doll? Wha?


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 08-27-14 8:45 AM
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Where do you think soldiers come from?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 08-27-14 8:46 AM
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9: why in God's name did your local police department feel the need for a sword?


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 08-27-14 8:46 AM
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re: 12

Vampires, duh.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 08-27-14 8:47 AM
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That's stakes. Swords are for Highlanders.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 08-27-14 8:48 AM
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12: Probably for ceremonies, mostly funerals.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08-27-14 8:48 AM
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15: that's shovels.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 08-27-14 8:50 AM
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It just says my county. Could be my city police, or any number of other city police, or the county sheriff's department, or other miscellaneous separate entities like the transit or parks district police departments. Hence my 6.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 08-27-14 8:51 AM
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I'm extremely amused that scary old Baltimore City appears to be significantly less militarized than a lot of sleepy suburbs.

Well, the suburbs have more money.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 08-27-14 8:56 AM
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re: 14

I was thinking more for the post-staking beheading.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 08-27-14 8:58 AM
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That's stakes. Swords are for Highlanders.

And Blade.


Posted by: Ginger Yellow | Link to this comment | 08-27-14 8:59 AM
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None of the counties I've looked at have any major purchases, other than "Truck $25,000".

On the other hand, even four M-16s seems unnecessary for Sullivan County, which consists entirely of farms and has about 4,000 people.

On the other hand, that is probably vastly outnumbered by the number of M-16s belonging to the populace of Sullivan County.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 08-27-14 9:03 AM
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14: wait, there's a sword and a grenade launcher, and you found the sword excessive?


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 08-27-14 9:08 AM
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Small counties, good idea. Alpine County has 1,200 people, no incorporated cities, but got 1 grenade launcher, 4 rifles, and 15 "eyepiece assembly, optical instrument" (some kind of sight/scope, I'm guessing).

Sierra County has 3,200 people and one incorporated city. 10 rifles, a bunch of cold-weather clothing, 4 intrenching tools, 10 "infrared equipment, subassembly" (?).


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 08-27-14 9:10 AM
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10 "infrared equipment, subassembly"

Maybe IR filters for lights, for use with night vision optics. (Night vision intensifies visible light and near infra red, so you can have torches and cyalumes that show up in night vision but not to the naked eye). Probably not heat-vision, as the military tends to call that thermal imaging (though it's still IR of course).


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 08-27-14 9:21 AM
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Hey, they probably got a good deal on those eyepiece assembly, optical instruments. Those aren't cheap to buy on their own, and are clearly necessary for police work.

In this context "necessary" means "would amuse me". Also in many other contexts.


Posted by: MHPH | Link to this comment | 08-27-14 9:23 AM
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A thirty-thousand dollar laser level?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 08-27-14 9:26 AM
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New York NY county (which appears to include the five boroughs, as Brooklyn's Kings County was not a scroll-down option) had two items total.

My parents' county, Contra Costa in California, had 11 pages with all kinds of things like boots and gauze pads and special windows and yes, a 658,000,000 mine-resistant vehicle and a couple of assault vehicles.

I suspect some sampling error.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 08-27-14 9:26 AM
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That is amusing:

DRYER MAYTAG 1 EA $573.98
DUMBELL 2 Each $0.00 (repeat 15 times)
GLUTE HAM BENCH 2 EA $1,500.00 (??)
GRENADE POUCH,MAINTENANCE OF ORDER AND CROWD CONTROL 30 Unknown $0.00 (at least it was free . . . ?)

I stopped at the L's.


Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 08-27-14 9:27 AM
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... and a fucking buttload of guns, wow.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 08-27-14 9:28 AM
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Seven pairs of snowshoes! Fun!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 08-27-14 9:29 AM
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26: "Laserplane Leveling System." It's an airplane that levels buildings with lasers, right? Surprisingly cheap.

I think I already said this on someone's feed at the other place.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 08-27-14 9:31 AM
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My old home in Deep Redstatia seems to have acquired only eminently sensible items for a police force in a bucolic county. I give a lot of credit to the local sheriff, a Republican who looks like a southern sheriff out of central casting, but talks like a blue collar version of Mark Kleiman.


Posted by: knecht ruprecht | Link to this comment | 08-27-14 9:32 AM
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The prices are high because this is a doddle to pay the arms manufacturers?


Posted by: clew | Link to this comment | 08-27-14 9:34 AM
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31.1: ahh, must be.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 08-27-14 9:35 AM
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27: Queens County looks to have sprung for a "SPECIAL TOOL KIT,ORGANIZATIONAL" in March.


Posted by: mike d | Link to this comment | 08-27-14 9:36 AM
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Seven pairs of snowshoes! Fun!

Bindings sold separately, apparently.


Posted by: knecht ruprecht | Link to this comment | 08-27-14 9:37 AM
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Ours seems pretty reasonable, though I don't know where or why they expect to use modular sleep systems. But flood lights, generators, trailers, I'm not too worried.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 08-27-14 9:37 AM
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1033 gives this stuff free of charge! The dollars are for accounting purposes! Why are you still talking about "deals"?


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 08-27-14 9:40 AM
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"Modular sleep system" = sleeping bag?


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 08-27-14 9:42 AM
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Ah, Westchester County got in on the action: eight full pages. 10K each for two explosion-disposal robots and 12 data servers, as well as lots and lots of "utility trucks." Maybe New York City loaded up on this stuff right after 9/11 under Giuliani and didn't need anything under the 1033 program.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 08-27-14 9:44 AM
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What on earth is DC doing with 17 cargo planes?


Posted by: potchkeh | Link to this comment | 08-27-14 9:49 AM
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"Modular sleep system" = sleeping bag?

Sleeping bag + goretex bivvy bag + cold weather sleeping bag liner + stuff sack to put it all in.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 08-27-14 9:49 AM
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LA County has close to 3500 rifles and the LAPD has its very own design for the reticule in their Trijicon sights because of not invented here syndrome. Woohoo! If there's ever again two old Asian ladies with a truck needing ventilation, we're up for it.


Posted by: biohazard | Link to this comment | 08-27-14 9:57 AM
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I wonder if these grenade launchers come with any sort of training.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 08-27-14 9:58 AM
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44: I'm sure the Army Field Manual has comprehensive and comprehensible instructions on how to use them to inflict maximum causalities on the enemy on the field of battle.


Posted by: knecht ruprecht | Link to this comment | 08-27-14 10:46 AM
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"Before firing into crowd always remember to make sure they are leftists. After firing it is imperative to shout "Disperse or I will shoot!"


Posted by: MHPH | Link to this comment | 08-27-14 10:48 AM
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Also, man are police in the UK rationally organized - all services seem to have at least a thousand officers, except for City of London, Civil Nuclear Constabulary, and Warwickshire. By contrast, my county of 1.5 million people has operating in it 14 city police departments (including two cities of 10,000 people), the sheriff, the state highway patrol, two university forces, and police departments for BART, the parks district, the utilities district, and Union Pacific Railroad, for god's sake. Not including any federales.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 08-27-14 12:01 PM
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My county of 1.2 million people has 107 municipalities. They don't all have police departments, but I think a majority of them do.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08-27-14 12:05 PM
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Plus at least two university police forces, the sheriff, the state highway patrol, the public school district police ...


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08-27-14 12:07 PM
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Just rifles here, and a radio set. Nothing at all for RightWingNutJob County to our south. Flathead got one of those mine resistant vehicles, which makes sense, I suppose, given the border with Canada.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 08-27-14 12:35 PM
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I said "Mom, that coat rack is plaid, with a butterfly collar."


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 08-27-14 12:42 PM
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32, 50: Extrapolating from two data points, I have a hypothesis to test. Someone should run a regression between the per capita value of kit acquired through the 1033 program and the percentage of African Americans in the county population.


Posted by: knecht ruprecht | Link to this comment | 08-27-14 12:50 PM
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Wow, .45 caliber automatic pistols are cheaper than I thought they'd be.

Going through the listings for the various places I've lived over the years, I came across these entries for Virginia Beach, VA:

D0UBLE STACK OVEN 1 EA $5,470.00
SALID BAR 1 EA $3,422.01
SLICING MACHINE 1 EA $2,500.00
VEG CHOPPER 1 EA $2,500.00

("Get to the chopper!!")


Posted by: MAE | Link to this comment | 08-27-14 1:02 PM
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Hey, we just had cops with long guns (as I believe the fetishists insist they be called) on our street. No idea exactly what was going on, but there was one hell of a turnout for what seems to have been one young dude fleeing on foot. At one point 2 cops and a police dog were in our basement because they though the guy might have fled in there. Exciting!

In "annoying MIL" news, her reaction time to the information that there could be a gunfight directly under her feet was about 30 seconds to leave the room, including the annoyed, "I am hurrying" rejoinder. Mind you, she was standing and aware of the basic circumstances at the outset.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 08-27-14 2:56 PM
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At one point 2 cops and a police dog were in our basement because they though the guy might have fled in there. Exciting!

Wow.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 08-27-14 3:01 PM
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but there was one hell of a turnout for what seems to have been one young dude fleeing on foot

Well yeah. Chases are fun and sometimes you get to see some bite action from the dog.


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 08-27-14 3:18 PM
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I haven't watched the video, but I keep seeing the "Big Important CEO kicks puppy dog in elevator, then blames the puppy dog" and each time I think "Yeah, well puppies can be really fucking annoying."


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 08-27-14 3:33 PM
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I guess manners mean you couldn't run to the basement ahead of her to get a better view.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08-27-14 3:34 PM
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My local police sure buys a lot of china. The LAPD cafeteria (temporarily shut down) used to serve its food on melamine, but maybe after it reopens they'll host doll tea parties.


Posted by: jms | Link to this comment | 08-27-14 5:04 PM
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My favorite thing I found was that police in New Orleans bought twenty snow camouflage parkas. In New Orleans.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 08-27-14 5:34 PM
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They're probably just fucking with Minnesota.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08-27-14 5:55 PM
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60: after the 1783 Icelandic volcano eruption the Mississippi froze in New Orleans.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 08-27-14 6:11 PM
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sometimes you get to see some bite action from the dog.

Indeed, subsequent reports are that the chasee was, indeed, bitten before being subdued. I'm very glad that my dog didn't notice all the police dogs running around the neighborhood and decide to bust out and try to play.

Rather more alarmingly, apparently he (the chasee, not my dog) tried to shoot at the cops, but his gun jammed. He was hiding out in the old age/rehab home down the street.

I'm kind of surprised that 62 isn't from Emerson. And 58 is funny.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 08-27-14 6:33 PM
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62 maybe belongs in the Icelandic volcano thread.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 08-27-14 6:35 PM
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Hennepin Cty. got 9 pps. worth of stuff. I have to say, picking up only 1 LITTER, DECONTAMINATION, MASS CASUALTY sounds either strikingly optimistic or significantly ill-planned.


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 08-27-14 6:38 PM
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61: Looks like we got 112 pairs of extreme cold weather boots, plus 50 ECW parkas and pants.


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 08-27-14 6:42 PM
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One county I checked got a bunch of bayonets. That strikes me as inappropriate for police use.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 08-27-14 6:50 PM
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I went to see if I could find the news report on 54. Instead, I found this gem.

Warning: Page loads with sound and Bell.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08-27-14 6:53 PM
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Fairfax County, VA's list is short, and remarkably sensible.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 08-27-14 6:54 PM
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68 makes me feel better about my MIL's hoarder tendencies.

67 doesn't make me feel better about anything.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 08-27-14 7:00 PM
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Since nobody ever clicks on links, 70 excepted, I'm going to put the key quote here:

"He has no sewage, no running water. He takes his urine, puts it in a cup and dumps it all over the neighborhood -- same thing with his feces."


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08-27-14 7:05 PM
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It might keep the critters away. I once had a nursery lady tell me it was okay to pee around my garden's exterior, because it keeps the animals away.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 08-27-14 7:08 PM
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Next time ask her about peeing around the exterior of your neighbors' gardens.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08-27-14 7:10 PM
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No mountain laurel on my property, just for the record.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 08-27-14 7:12 PM
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As several people have noted, there definitely seems to be a tendency for suburban and small-town PDs to get a lot more of the crazy-sounding stuff than major cities. Anchorage seems to have gotten mostly cold-weather gear and rifles, and Albuquerque got lots of optical equipment of various kinds. Farmington, on the other hand, got two helicopters, three mine-resistant vehicles, and something listed as "only complete combat/assault/tactical wheeled vehicles." Several very rural counties in NM with small populations also got mine-resistant vehicles.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 08-27-14 7:46 PM
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Mine-resistant vehicle fight!


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 08-27-14 7:49 PM
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Maricopa County, AZ (i.e., Phoenix and its suburbs) has 82 pages of stuff, including two helicopters, two airplanes, and four mine-resistant vehicles.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 08-27-14 7:54 PM
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What do you think the opex on a helicopter/mine-resistant vehicle is? Gotta say if I was the cops and someone offered me a free military vehicle I'd be pretty chary of the maintenance & running costs.


Posted by: Keir | Link to this comment | 08-27-14 7:56 PM
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That where they have a sheriff who crossed from "trolling everybody" to "actual evil".


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08-27-14 7:57 PM
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79: Yeah, I mean, it's not actually surprising at all. Still, 82 pages!


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 08-27-14 7:59 PM
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So much potential for inappropriate sexual relationships.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 08-27-14 8:20 PM
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78: I wouldn't be at all surprised to learn that many of those costs get rolled into the overall municipal budget in many cases. Or that, as line items, they're very rarely questioned.


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 08-27-14 8:25 PM
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What do you think the opex on a helicopter/mine-resistant vehicle is?

The helo is really in a different league there on both maintenance and operating. If you already have a city fleet maintenance with repair shops and such handling snowplows, garbage trucks, and fire engines then you likely already have the facilities and mechanics on staff who can handle or get cross trained to repair and maintain an MRAP. But you can't just snag one of your dudes off of the repair bay working on a fire engine and put him to work on a helicopter.


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 08-27-14 8:46 PM
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68: Seems like 15 years ago he was homeless. Now he owns a home... but it is deemed unfit for human habitation.

And 35 years ago... he was opposed to the Count Von Count.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 08-27-14 8:46 PM
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What do you think the opex on a helicopter/mine-resistant vehicle is? Gotta say if I was the cops and someone offered me a free military vehicle I'd be pretty chary of the maintenance & running costs.

No problem. With that kind of kit, you can ramp up the dubious traffic stops and asset forfeitures to cover it. It's like a perpetual motion machine.

Also, the steel in an MRAP alone is worth over $5,000 at scrap prices, so it might we worth taking one just for that, assuming the delivery and disposal costs don't eat up all the proceeds.


Posted by: knecht ruprecht | Link to this comment | 08-28-14 4:32 AM
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65: To my surprise but vague MN pride it turned out that of those nine pages something like seven were just "rifle, 5.56mm" and "rifle, 7.72mm" listed over and over again with a quantity of 1. (A bunch of them were on the same date too, which makes it look like a strange data entry protocol.) Most of the rest was winter gear, first aid stuff, and for some reason*, two armored trucks. That's a lot more temperance than I would have expected from them, really, especially since Tracy MN just made some minor news for having a Humvee (notable only because they could fit the entire police department inside it without anyone having to take the awkward middle seat in the back).

*(My guess: "Dude! Armored trucks!")


Posted by: MHPH | Link to this comment | 08-28-14 5:21 AM
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84: Thanks. I'd have never gotten the back story.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 08-28-14 5:29 AM
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