Re: History

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ogged: Objectively pro-Ebola.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 09- 6-14 2:30 PM
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My dad, a leftist, observed to me sometime in the 60s that revolutions had tended to make refugees, admittedly propertied refugees of the adherents and privileged classes of the former regime. And that among these people were often individuals and entire families who showed extraordinary drive, talent and discipline. He'd have been thinking of the almost-contemporary Cuban Revolution, but certainly meant to include the Russian and the Chinese, and would have predicted the same for the Vietnamese.

And I remember him adding, characteristically, "So 2 societies benefited!'


Posted by: idp | Link to this comment | 09- 6-14 3:23 PM
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I see he drives a BMW. No word on the color, though.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 09- 6-14 3:26 PM
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Next time I see her I'll be sure to tell her what you said, ogged.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 09- 6-14 3:34 PM
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I am reminded of Vonnegut's Cat's Cradle, and the chapter "Dr. Schlichter von Koenigswald Approaches the Break-Even Point."

Multi-generationally.


Posted by: DaveLMA | Link to this comment | 09- 6-14 4:01 PM
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I'm much more focused on ethnicity than gender.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 09- 6-14 4:16 PM
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Josh: More racist than sexist, but definitely both.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 09- 6-14 4:25 PM
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Josh, you fool, Persian monarchists don't just drive BMWs. There's also Mercs, an occasional Lexus, and the Bijan Veyron.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 09- 6-14 4:41 PM
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Who says that gender isn't an ethnicity?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09- 6-14 4:43 PM
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That may have been unfair. I'm not super clear on Bijan's role in the super complicated world of Iranian politics.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 09- 6-14 4:45 PM
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heebie is ethnically female, but she doesn't practice.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 09- 6-14 4:45 PM
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All I'm saying is that Nazi Germany would have considered me female.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09- 6-14 4:47 PM
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Hitler: totally sexist.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 09- 6-14 4:48 PM
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This discussion must be very triggering for our readers in the secret-police community.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 09- 6-14 4:51 PM
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Hitler: more racist than sexist, like Josh?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09- 6-14 4:52 PM
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Anyhow, I'm not going to check the archives but didn't Ogged say once that the preferred car was a black BMW 3 series? Which is total bullshit, it's a white E-Class.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 09- 6-14 4:52 PM
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For Persians who've scored the right car and need to protect it:

http://www.naaminis.com/pix/naaclors.jpg


Posted by: biohazard | Link to this comment | 09- 6-14 4:54 PM
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16: Thanks, Standpipe.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 09- 6-14 4:56 PM
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15: Probably, yeah.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 09- 6-14 5:01 PM
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I think I said that Iranians shouldn't drive black Beemers, on pain of being stereotypes.

I could live with the bitterness of the child of a torturer enjoying the fruits of the wealth and freedom her father worked so hard to keep others from having, and I could even forgive private feelings of loyalty for a father who has surely been good to his kids, but to publicly fete his courage and conviction, when he was really a more brutal, hands-on John Yoo, deserves a rebuke.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 09- 6-14 5:10 PM
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Stop yelling.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 09- 6-14 5:12 PM
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We saw that.


Posted by: Keir | Link to this comment | 09- 6-14 5:12 PM
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Hey, I saw that.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 09- 6-14 5:12 PM
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I meant 'we'.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 09- 6-14 5:13 PM
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Computers. How the fuck do they work?


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 09- 6-14 5:13 PM
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Computers. How the fuck do they work?


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 09- 6-14 5:13 PM
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We saw that.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 09- 6-14 5:15 PM
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I didn't see anything.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09- 6-14 5:25 PM
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It is up there though. Not quite "Heinrich Himmler was a public servant ... And a great Dad" but not way off either.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 09- 6-14 5:29 PM
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I sorta kinda loosely dated a girl of Iranian extraction while I was living in New Orleans. And then I found 133,191 rials.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 09- 6-14 7:17 PM
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I have an Iranian boss. He's great.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09- 6-14 7:22 PM
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I played racquetball doubles with one guy who was iranian. He was both very hairy and unbelievably terrifyingly wild with the racket.


Posted by: Turgid Jacobian | Link to this comment | 09- 6-14 7:37 PM
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And he kept wanting to take over an embassy.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09- 6-14 7:39 PM
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This is the "let's all list all the Iranians we know" thread?


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 09- 6-14 7:40 PM
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No.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 09- 6-14 7:42 PM
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Whyever not?


Posted by: Turgid Jacobian | Link to this comment | 09- 6-14 7:44 PM
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Oh good.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 09- 6-14 7:44 PM
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Where is the thread about how evil the NCAA is and how much more evil it will be if Ohio State doesn't get some shit going quickly?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09- 6-14 7:45 PM
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I suppose nobody else is watching, but I've either great timing or a wizard.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09- 6-14 7:48 PM
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Some of us have our reasons, TJ!


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 09- 6-14 7:50 PM
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The Iranian I know best is Canadian anyway.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 09- 6-14 7:53 PM
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I don't know any Iranians. Not even ogged.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 09- 6-14 7:59 PM
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My uncle used to live in Iran. He left in late 1978.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09- 6-14 8:05 PM
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Seriously though, it's like Ohio State hadn't realized it could try harder until I said something.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09- 6-14 8:16 PM
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I should remember not to brag about my peed powers.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09- 6-14 8:26 PM
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Stupid phone.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09- 6-14 8:27 PM
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45 = new mouseover text, PLEASE!


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 09- 6-14 8:30 PM
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I've worked with a few. They all had black BMWs. Really.


Posted by: biohazard | Link to this comment | 09- 6-14 8:47 PM
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My chair has a tan BMW, not black.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09- 6-14 8:49 PM
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The Canadian guy can't legally buy a car.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 09- 6-14 9:01 PM
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Why not?


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 09- 6-14 9:13 PM
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Licenses revoked in multiple states for too many unpaid tickets and traffic violations, I think? Maybe no insurance company will sell him a policy? Also this.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 09- 6-14 9:17 PM
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That shows impressive commitment to being an asshole.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 09- 6-14 9:47 PM
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I have a Zoroastrian friend, and he gets very upset if people call him Iranian instead of Persian. He also gets upset if you call it Zoroastrianism instead of Zarathustrianism, because he hates the Greeks.


Posted by: Buttercup | Link to this comment | 09- 6-14 11:30 PM
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But how does he feel about Freddie Mercury?


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 09- 6-14 11:34 PM
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And the Shah, I guess, but let's keep our priorities straight.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 09- 6-14 11:35 PM
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Now I'm waiting for one of you to say you know the feces grater.

This new information makes the very next comment to the one essear links even more apt.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 09- 6-14 11:40 PM
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45 belongs in the kidney stone thread.


Posted by: dalriata | Link to this comment | 09- 7-14 5:08 AM
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I was also, shamefully, thinking 57.2. But seriously, who does that?


Posted by: dalriata | Link to this comment | 09- 7-14 5:11 AM
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The Iranian guy I know (actual Iranian citizen) is forbidden by the United States Government from traveling in the US beyond a radius of 50 miles from Grand Central Station.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 09- 7-14 6:02 AM
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So, no hardship.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 09- 7-14 6:09 AM
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who does that?

There is an earnest answer to this, especially if the guy is under about 35 and grew up in Iran. When older Iranians go back, they can't believe how coarse and rude the culture has become, even as they recognize that there's basically no shared civic community, and most everyone lives with crushing economic pressure--everyone is stressed out and it's every man for himself.

That said, the guy essear knows is clearly someone predisposed to find himself on the asshole spectrum.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 09- 7-14 6:11 AM
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Well, judging by the guy's Facebook photos, either the rules have been relaxed, or Lake Champlain is a lot closer to NYC than I thought.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 09- 7-14 6:27 AM
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there's basically no shared civic community, and most everyone lives with crushing economic pressure

Sounds just like Washington DC.


Posted by: Todd | Link to this comment | 09- 7-14 6:33 AM
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I think the only Iranian guy I know is the author of this book. Is he the kind of author who responds to negative Amazon reviews? Yes he is.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 09- 7-14 6:43 AM
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Hey ogged, have you read The Twilight War? I recommend it. It covers three decades of low-level military conflict and failed attempts at diplomatic rapprochement between Iran and the U.S.

I also quite liked Guests of the Ayatollah by torture normalizer Mark Bowden, about the 1980 hostage crisis. His account of the failed attempt to rescue the hostages is fascinating and worth the price of the book.


Posted by: knecht ruprecht | Link to this comment | 09- 7-14 6:50 AM
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66: A story from a Delta operator's book about the raid: a senior noncom was knocked unconscious when one of the helicopters crashed, woke to find himself alone on a burning helicopter that he thought was still 1000+ feet in the air, chucked himself out the side door without a parachute. Asked later what he thought he was going to do without a parachute, he replied, "One problem at a time, Top."

Words to live by, really.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 09- 7-14 7:29 AM
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have you read The Twilight War?

I haven't. How skeptical should I be that it's written by a US government historian?


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 09- 7-14 7:40 AM
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How skeptical should I be that it's written by a US government historian?

Not just that, but the son of the general who had overall command of U.S. Forces in that theater for much of the relevant timeframe.

Nevertheless, it is pretty evenhanded, and definitely calls out the U.S., not just for the undeniable fuckups (U.S.S Vincennes, etc.), but also some little known missed diplomatic opportunities for which he faults American hardliners.


Posted by: knecht ruprecht | Link to this comment | 09- 7-14 7:59 AM
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Baha'i and torturer really don't go together at all. It's like a Unitarian serial killer.


Posted by: togolosh | Link to this comment | 09- 8-14 7:43 AM
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Mennonite mad scientist.


Posted by: dalriata | Link to this comment | 09- 8-14 7:51 AM
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