Re: Issues

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Is this the thread where discuss the ways in which Mario Incandenza can be seen as a Christ figure?


Posted by: MAE | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 7:25 AM
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I considered the lobster the Christ figure.


Posted by: conflated | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 7:56 AM
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Nah, Christ went willingly.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 8:04 AM
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Take, eat; this is my body. And this is the melted butter for dipping it in.


Posted by: MAE | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 8:08 AM
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A t-shirt seen at Folsom -- "Jesus forgot his safe word" -- was worth a dumb chuckle. Also saw a St. Andrews Cross in use and a lot more whipping and blood than last year. (Times trend piece: "Blood gets wider circulation.")


Posted by: Bave | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 8:11 AM
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Also saw a St. Andrews Cross in use

In honor of the referendum?


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 8:12 AM
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I just can't read "Folsom" without interpolating "Prison Blues" right after it.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 8:13 AM
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Interesting, there seems to be another use of Folsom besides the prison. I didn't know either.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 8:14 AM
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I feel like there's potential for outrage by Twitter activists over the fact that the (mostly white, mostly yuppie) San Francisco S+M evangelist community stages a yearly showpiece fake torture fair that uses the name that is (yes a real street but also) most famous for beog real prison in the same state. Where (mostly nonwhite, non-yuppie) prisoners are in fact being tortured for real and/or raped.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 8:33 AM
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4: Jesus, like lobster, was not, of course, kosher.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 8:33 AM
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"Being a"


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 8:33 AM
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9: relatedly, there are lots of Jack the Ripper ghost tours in London. I wonder how much longer we'll have to wait for the first Myra Hindley or Peter Sutcliffe tour?


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 8:35 AM
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"S&M evangelist" sounds like an interesting subcategory of TV preacher.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 8:36 AM
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13: not a very small one either. Look at those chaps in the Philippines who parade around flogging themselves. Or the Shia at Ashura. Or the Korean Catholics: one of them successfully crucified himself last year which takes the kind of bloody-minded unstoppable determination that you really only find in the Land of the Morning Calm.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 8:39 AM
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9 is dramatically too stupid even for Twitter activists, which is I guess something to be proud of.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 8:41 AM
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11: Jesus (1), like lobster (2), is a common component of hallucinations.

1. passim.
2. by Sartre, among others.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 8:42 AM
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If we're going to talk about prisons, we should be talking about last night's episode of The Good Wife. Did Cary really do what they said he did? Was there some clue in an earlier episode I've forgotten?


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 8:45 AM
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Interesting, there seems to be another use of Folsom besides the prison.

a yearly showpiece fake torture fair that uses a name that is (yes a real street but also) most famous for beog real prison in the same state.

WE'D STAGE IT ON FALSUM BUT THEN EVERYONE WOULD HAVE TO BE A BOTTOM.


Posted by: OPINIONATED FRISCO S+M LOGICIAN | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 8:45 AM
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Having watched Robert Sapolsky's lecture on the biological basis of religious belief, I am now convinced that there must be a common neurological basis for all this sort of thing. (It's not bad. You should watch it. It's on YouTube. More than an hour long though. )


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 8:48 AM
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Following that Franzen article a couple years back, this makes two New Yorker publications by people who are mad at David Foster Wallace. I look forward to Shouts & Murmurs getting in on it.


Posted by: lourdes kayak | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 8:59 AM
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18 is great.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 8:59 AM
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Hey, ⊥ is an HTML entity! How convenient: ⊥. I assume ⊤ will work too? Apparently yes.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 9:02 AM
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BDSM logician.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 9:03 AM
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11: Jesus (1), like lobster (2), is a common component of hallucinations.

My favorite line in A Christmas Carol is the description of the "dismal light" in Scrooge's hallucination of Marley's face in the door knocker glowing like "a bad lobster in a dark cellar".


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 9:47 AM
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24: not a flight of fancy: rotting fish actually does glow in the dark (as does rotting wood), so presumably lobster would too.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 9:53 AM
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The basis of one of history's great insults.

"He is a man of splendid abilities but utterly corrupt. He shines and stinks, like a rotten mackerel by moonlight."


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 9:58 AM
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25: I'd read about that and have wanted to test the proposition, but for some reason I never end up with extra lobster.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 10:02 AM
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Or enough enough lobster. My lobster appetite, let me consider it.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 10:04 AM
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The Lobster of Minerva Shines at Dusk.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 10:16 AM
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If she'd only taken the trouble to make a lobster roll for lunch, she wouldn't have let it go to waste like that. Hegel would surely have agreed.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 10:28 AM
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Bad lobster sounds like a surrealist Doctor Who plotline.


Posted by: Ginger Yellow | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 10:34 AM
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Oh hey. There was a guy who looked exactly like Jonathan Groff at Folsom and while I was googling the name Folsom so I could get into high dudgeon about 9, I saw a headline indicating he was there. Famous people sightings are rare here so you are allowed to be excited about them.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 2:17 PM
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I still don't know what Folsom is except for a prison. Speaking of prison, how bad is an overnight trip on Greyhound? Megabus doesn't cover my potential route, except during the day.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 2:23 PM
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Folsom Street is a street in San Francisco. Every year there is a BDSM-y street fair on that street, creatively named "The Folsom Street Fair", along with (one is told) several satellite events before and after. Neither the fair nor the street is named after the prison; nor is the fair located on that street because the street's name is shared with a prison.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 2:26 PM
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I suspect one could extend the joke in 18 with something about the principle ex falso quodlibet but I'm not precisely sure how.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 2:28 PM
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Folsom the town (where the prison is) and Folsom the Street are both named after Joseph L. Folsom, who was a dude of some sort.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 2:34 PM
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I think that counts as the street and the town/prison not being named either one after the other! Though I admit I wasn't actually sure about that.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 2:38 PM
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You people act like Folsom Dam isn't the first thing that comes to mind when you think of Folsom.


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 2:55 PM
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More like Empty-some Dams these days.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 2:57 PM
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The Folsom Street Fair is something to see, boy.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 3:03 PM
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31: Or an actual Tom Baker episode http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/The_Power_of_Kroll

Though I guess that was more of a squid.


Posted by: conflated | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 3:06 PM
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The Folsom that first comes to mind for me hasn't shown up yet in this thread at all.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 3:21 PM
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40 has put "Working Class Hero" into my head.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 3:24 PM
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Most of us don't know who Grover Cleveland's wife was.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 3:25 PM
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42 -- no, but that's more fertile ground for the Twitter Activists.


Posted by: Robert Halford | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 3:28 PM
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45: The paleo ones, presumably.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 3:46 PM
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Hmmmm,have been so busy with work didn't remember FSF was this past weekend, hope child saw nothing scarring on bus ride to or from accordion lesson. He hasn't mentioned anything yet.


Posted by: dairy queen | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 4:12 PM
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There were little kids in attendance!


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 4:17 PM
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I'm not sure if I find that reassuring or not! Eh, sure it was fine and he had his head in the clouds as per usual.


Posted by: dairy queen | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 4:22 PM
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I don't think it's anything to be reassured by. Just somewhat surprising.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 4:29 PM
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Indeed.


Posted by: dairy queen | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 4:36 PM
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As a child who grew up in the Berkeley/SF region, I can attest that no matter how straitlaced your personal environment may be, eventually you just accept that sometimes people in public will wear bondage gear or nothing at all, and that's just a thing that some people do.


Posted by: Jackmormon | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 5:07 PM
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52: Hm, I'm doing to demand, then, that Rand Paul, about to set up shop in the Bay Area, let us know what he thinks. He wants to expand the Republican tent, right?

20: this makes two New Yorker publications by people who are mad at David Foster Wallace.

Somehow I'm surprised that there are only two. Maybe people feel it's still too soon?


Posted by: parsimon | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 5:29 PM
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Oddly, this New York Times magazine piece just popped up too, though I guess Antrim is more traumatized than mad.

I understand that suicides leave wrecks behind them, and that of course they evoke anger... and yet, the rhetorical shape of that anger often escapes me. To call the action cowardly or selfish, as happens, seems to come out of a felt need to disown the suicide, as if he or she has to be buried in unconsecrated ground.

Karen Green's forgiveness machine made more sense to me.


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 8:20 PM
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"angry at the illness rather than the person," I mean. Though again, it's a bit like getting angry at the weather. This is not a majority viewpoint.


Posted by: lourdes kayak | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 8:26 PM
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Fucking weather.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-22-14 8:35 PM
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