Re: Guest Post - Oh, the stupid

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I see that soca music is at the bottom. Soca is huge down here. Which is a shame, really, because the region is home to so many other, better musical genres.

Still, the chart seems to illustrate that there is a clear correlation between "doing poorly on the SATs" and "not actually being from the United States."


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 10-25-14 8:32 AM
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They don't have data on the SAT scores of students and their musical taste. They have data on the average SAT scores at schools and the popular music at these schools. This is going to strongly exaggerate any differences. I cant blame those guys for graphing the data they have though.


Posted by: lemmy caution | Link to this comment | 10-25-14 8:45 AM
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Can I blame them?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10-25-14 8:47 AM
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3: Please do. I'll join you.

"We don't actually have representative data, so we had to use this misleading data," is probably the most common justification for bullshit statistics out there.


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 10-25-14 8:55 AM
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Yes, you can.


Posted by: lemmy caution | Link to this comment | 10-25-14 8:55 AM
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Is there any value to this? Note that apparently liking classical music correlates with low SAT scores, while liking Beethoven correlates with astronomical SAT scores. I rest my case m'lud.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 10-25-14 8:57 AM
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He has one for books too:

http://booksthatmakeyoudumb.virgil.gr

not sure what a Network Statistics page is:

"Get a friend of yours to download, using Facebook, the ten most frequent "favorite books" at every college via that college's Network Statistics page on Facebook (manually -- as not to violate Facebook's ToS)."

Turns out he went to the college with the highest average SAT score. Coincidence!!!


Posted by: lemmy caution | Link to this comment | 10-25-14 9:10 AM
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NMM2 Jack Bruce

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Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 10-25-14 9:19 AM
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The books one in 7 is ickier. "African American" lit is the dumbest genre according to their chart. (Amusing side note: Dan Brown is apparently dumber than liking Da Vinci Code or Angels and Demons.)


Posted by: ydnew | Link to this comment | 10-25-14 9:35 AM
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The books one makes a little more sense, as, apart from a few (The Color Purple, Atlas Shrugged), particular titles are less bound to class, race, etc...

Of course the trouble on the other end remains.


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 10-25-14 9:38 AM
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And, Crime and Punishment is part of the genre "Classics", whereas Pride and Prejudice is "Chick Lit".
Hmm.


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 10-25-14 9:48 AM
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11: And Wuthering Heights is a classic, not chick lit. Also, Lolita is classed as "Erotica." Hm.


Posted by: ydnew | Link to this comment | 10-25-14 9:53 AM
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Christ, what an asshole.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 10-25-14 9:54 AM
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11: Chicks dig alliteration.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 10-25-14 10:31 AM
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No more creaming to Jack Bruce.

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Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 10-25-14 11:02 AM
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Seriously, about two thirds of the news media are in the thrall of a version of the same fallacy, to wit, "Democrats are the party of the affluent. We know this because all the most affluent states, Connecticut, California, New York, are blue states, while the poorest states are red states."


Posted by: knecht ruprecht | Link to this comment | 10-25-14 11:25 AM
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NMM to Punk.

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Posted by: MHPH | Link to this comment | 10-25-14 11:44 AM
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No one counters with "Republicans are the party that impoverishes most of its constituents"?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 10-25-14 11:44 AM
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I should pass this along to the friend who'll be teaching statistical graphics next semester, as a negative example...


Posted by: Cosma Shalizi | Link to this comment | 10-25-14 11:52 AM
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16, 18: It's actually even stupider than than 18 suggests. Short version: in every state, the richer you are, the more likely you are to vote Republican. It's just that this is a stronger tendency in poorer states.


Posted by: Cosma Shalizi | Link to this comment | 10-25-14 11:59 AM
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It's so stupid and yet so common that it has a name -- the ecological fallacy.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 10-25-14 12:05 PM
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6: I love Ludwig and my test scores were indeed astronomical. This "science" is science.


Posted by: biohazard | Link to this comment | 10-25-14 1:25 PM
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If biohazard slooshies anyone not respecting his old friend Ludwig Van he'll tolchock them right in the gulliver.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 10-25-14 1:37 PM
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Like clockwork.


Posted by: biohazard | Link to this comment | 10-25-14 1:50 PM
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17: Dammit, maybe I should've sent that to HG instead. One of my real, no-foolin' punk friends posted it elsewhere a few days ago.


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 10-25-14 1:55 PM
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Casting my mind back to 2009, when they gathered the data, I suspect I listened to most of the stuff on the chart. Maybe that makes me basic.

Actually the interesting thing is how many bands listed seem to have gone quiet in the last five years, both in terms of new work and in terms of airplay.

Maybe I just don't listen to the right channels.


Posted by: DaveLMA | Link to this comment | 10-25-14 2:06 PM
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Decent sociological research on social class and musical taste is well established and very interesting.


Posted by: Gonerill | Link to this comment | 10-25-14 4:04 PM
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Oh, hey, by the way: we just got married.
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Posted by: X.trapnel | Link to this comment | 10-25-14 5:16 PM
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Congratulations. Are you abroad?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10-25-14 5:22 PM
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Or agroom? (Congratulations!!!)


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 10-25-14 5:28 PM
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Marriage ! Hooray !


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 10-25-14 5:30 PM
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Congratulations! We are not going to demand a baby.


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 10-25-14 5:32 PM
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Not s/h now.

The babysplosion must be fed.


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 10-25-14 5:44 PM
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s/h s/b s/b?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10-25-14 5:50 PM
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Still here for another two months. Ok, offline now.


Posted by: X.Trapnel | Link to this comment | 10-25-14 5:53 PM
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Are you holding a receiving line right now or something?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10-25-14 6:02 PM
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Congratulations and best wishes to trapnel and IB!


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 10-25-14 11:06 PM
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Huzzah! trapnel.


Posted by: k-sky | Link to this comment | 10-26-14 12:41 AM
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We are not going to demand a baby.

Maybe they got hitched because he knocked her up.


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 10-26-14 12:46 AM
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Last dance of the night: "No Children".

And now to bed.


Posted by: x.trapnel | Link to this comment | 10-26-14 1:41 AM
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Congrats, trapnel!


Posted by: Awl | Link to this comment | 10-26-14 2:06 AM
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Congratulations!


Posted by: Antipodestrian | Link to this comment | 10-26-14 2:58 AM
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Congrats X!


Posted by: asilon | Link to this comment | 10-26-14 3:15 AM
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28:
Congratulations!

This chart better not make it to the Chinese media, or in the posh neighborhoods of Beijing there are going to be loudspeakers in blasting Beethoven 24/7, occasionally interspersed with a Sufjan Stevens album.


Posted by: Buttercup | Link to this comment | 10-26-14 3:52 AM
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Congratulations! Best wishes for a happy life together.


Posted by: ydnew | Link to this comment | 10-26-14 7:49 AM
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Congrats !


Posted by: Leon knife | Link to this comment | 10-26-14 8:14 AM
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Oh good lord, missed this. Hi, X, good news! Congratulations, Mr and Mrs Maclaren Ross!


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 10-26-14 10:55 AM
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Congratulations!


Posted by: Penny | Link to this comment | 10-27-14 10:45 PM
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Congratulations! (By now you've probably sobered up again. Tell us more.)


Posted by: clew | Link to this comment | 10-28-14 12:31 PM
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