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Scott and Blake Lively: father and daughter. She is pathologically devoted to him and is his main source of funding. Fact.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 11-17-14 10:23 PM
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I used to think Taylor Swift was thin and blonde and boring, and then I watched the video for Blank Space.


Posted by: Unfoggetarian: "Pause endlessly, then go in" (9) | Link to this comment | 11-17-14 10:27 PM
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My high school just won a state championship in volleyball and I had a nice conversation on Facebook with the great aunt of one of the team members.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-17-14 10:33 PM
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The pictures in her Wikipedia article seem calculated to make her look as unattractive as possible.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11-17-14 10:36 PM
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-great, maybe. I suppose it is rude to ask, so I will not.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-17-14 10:38 PM
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Said article also lists her occupations as: "Actress, model, celebrity homemaker". There doesn't seem to be a SOC 2010 code for that last one.


Posted by: Otto Von Bisquick | Link to this comment | 11-17-14 10:42 PM
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Otto!


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11-17-14 10:43 PM
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teo! So nice to have a place to come back to when procrastinating.


Posted by: Otto Von Bisquick | Link to this comment | 11-17-14 10:47 PM
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We'll always be here for you.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11-17-14 10:50 PM
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hi otto! be on our show.


Posted by: alameida | Link to this comment | 11-17-14 11:48 PM
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You can just go walk around by Madison and 85th or something and grab them coming out the the Jack Roger's boutique or whatever.

(taking notes)


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 2:45 AM
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This is a mean girl thing to say, but Lively is not someone who is having an attractive pregnancy.* I feel like there are people whose looks are precariously based on a state of quasi-anorexia, and then once they gain weight for whatever reason, they verge into the not really attractive at all territory. In her case, plus weight gain and sans hair dye, it's becoming apparent that her appeal was solely based on being thin and blonde.

*I know with karma, by saying this I'm going to look like a puffy octopus if/when I am pregnant.


Posted by: Buttercup | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 4:07 AM
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"Blake Lively" is an Evelyn Waugh character's name, surely, not a real person's.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 6:02 AM
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Not to mention Ms Lively's horrible, GOOP-abee lifestyle blog.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 6:07 AM
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she's thin and blonde.

I expect more nuanced analysis, al. First of all, she has, to use the term of art, a fantastic rack. Also, very nice hair. More than that--and I've never even seen a video of her, let alone anything she's in--her face lends itself well to being made up as either glamorous California girl, or vaguely horse-faced but still-pretty moneyed East Coast society girl. Versatile! But she's almost thirty, so you won't have her to kick around much longer anyway.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 6:39 AM
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I don't care if it's a full post or what, but can we talk about this interview with Jaden and Willow Smith? Someone could use it to relink that giant thinkpiece on the Styles page and/or just make jokes about what makes this a JOINT interview like my other-place friends are doing.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 6:46 AM
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Spoiler alert for essear: "There's a theoretical physicist inside all of our minds, and you can talk and talk, but it's living [that defines time, I think is what he means -- ed.]."


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 6:47 AM
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15. I think you misspelled "work of art" IYKWIMAITYD.


Posted by: DaveLMA | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 6:48 AM
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And pertinent to the actual thread:

WILLOW: I went to school for one year. It was the best experience but the worst experience. The best experience because I was, like, "Oh, now I know why kids are so depressed." But it was the worst experience because I was depressed.

I'll stop now, I promise.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 6:49 AM
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there were the parents and other student-athletes vigorously defending the coaches and more or less calling the victims lying sluts, or saying, "well he never touched my kid." (Worst. Defense against sexual assault. Ever.)

God, every time I hear this line I just want to yell back that your kid probably isn't that hot.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 6:55 AM
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re: 20.last

Covered, most effectively, in the notorious (genius) BrassEye paedophile special.

[Assuming this is the relevant clip, no headphones to check]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyNHmskN-vo


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 6:59 AM
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15: your objections would have some merit, ogged, were I not saying to fashion magazines in particular that they should stop trying to make her happen. she is certainly attractive in the particular ways you note. us weekly may continue, or gq or whatever, but if you want to really just hoist someone up by main force to the vogue cover level without them either having been an important runway and editorial model or being a current star of widely viewed tv shows or movies then the person must have something very special about them, such as extraordinary charisma, or exceptional personal fashion taste. ms. lively has demonstrated no such qualities and to say that she has been given ample opportunities to do so would be do massively understate the amount of my personal time that has been spent in airports around the world, or in hotels at night with jet lag, seeing her gleam palely at me from the pages of a magazine on which I have spent actually, really, some money. I never walk out of that stupid narnian departure bookstore place without dropping $45.


Posted by: alameida | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 7:03 AM
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16: we can officially talk about that shit. that wasn't a joint interview, that was a mescaline interview or something.


Posted by: alameida | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 7:04 AM
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First of all, she has, to use the term of art, a fantastic rack.

The correct phrase is "awesome goats"


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 7:11 AM
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Or "extraordinary charismas".


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 7:12 AM
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"Beautiful eyes".


Posted by: knecht ruprecht | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 7:16 AM
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Al, I wish I could think of what to say about the high school dynamic beyond that everyone and I know who's been the victim of a teacher-type scandal has a similar story. Obviously yours is particularly ghoulish, but I suspect there are similar things going on right now and I'm not sure when or if there will be a tipping point.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 7:18 AM
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15: Also, very nice hair.

Is it real, though? I'm inclined to think no. (I mean, not that she's bald but that she has pieces in. But what do I know about white-people hair?)


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 7:20 AM
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If you've eaten at a poorly run Arby's, you probably know what it tastes like with horsey sauce on it.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 7:21 AM
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were I not saying to fashion magazines in particular

I can think of one really simple solution to your annoyance here.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 7:23 AM
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Serious for real bullying. Methodical, months-long, and ultimately successful campaigns to crush the souls of the meek, or to bring low the mighty. Of my class of 68 girls four had anorexia/bulimia that was serious enough that they had to be hospitalized at some point. Think what the rate must have been overall! In the bathroom closest to the cafeteria, after lunch, you could just hear people booting in the stalls while you waited. Constant, subtle criticism of the target's weight is a key element in the girl bullying toolkit, needless to say...I knew of four suicide attempts also (one personally as you know.)

This is why I'm always surprised that people assume cyberbullying is something that is overwhelmingly done by male people. Boys and girls both bully at school, but the sort of bullying girls do seems to translate much more effectively to the digital realm, while it's not really possible to punch someone in the face via the world-wide web (omitting this functionality was a deliberate design choice by Tim Berners-Lee, who had a wretched time at school).


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 7:24 AM
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I am currently editing the driest, most boring document imaginable, but it's only 9:25 am which means everybody around me is still being all good morning chatty ha ha ha and jesus h. crunk is it hard to focus on verifying all these completely non-significant blood chemistry results.
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Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 7:28 AM
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I'm doing pretty much the same thing, except we have significant results. Hooray.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 7:30 AM
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So very many significant results.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 7:40 AM
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Fortunately, no significant lab results is good news for the product but also 100% expected given the mechanism of action, so it's like verifying that every dish in the dishwasher actually got wet. Repeatedly.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 7:41 AM
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Check the spatula used to make scrambled eggs first. Even if it got wet, there's still likely to be bit of egg on it.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 7:43 AM
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Gee, I always read "fine eyes" in Pride and Prejudice straight, never suspecting a euphemism.


Posted by: idp | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 7:44 AM
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What did you think they were proud of?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 7:45 AM
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It was in the 1800s, so they were prejudiced against about everything.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 7:47 AM
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During her childhood, her parents took her with them to acting classes that they taught because they did not want to leave her with a babysitter.
Nice prose, Wikipedia. Sheesh.
Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 7:50 AM
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31: I think the sort of bullying Alameida is talking about is dependent on real world acquaintanceship -- the message is "Everyone in your life thinks you suck", in a subtle, insidious kind of way. Someone you don't know being subtle about disliking you doesn't hurt much, so bullying by strangers online is going to be a different, higher-temperature sort of thing -- phrasing that's so hostile that being exposed to it all, regardless of the source, is unpleasant.

It's the sort of thing that either men or women might do, but it's not directly continuous with what people think of as the classic form of teenage-girl bullying.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 7:51 AM
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Blake Lively is attractive. Does anyone take public transportation? most people are not that attractive.

Her dad took his wife's last name:
http://dailyentertainmentnews.com/breaking-news/ernie-lively-actress-blake-livelys-father/

This is pretty funny:

http://www.awesomelyluvvie.com/2014/11/solange-wedding.html

By the way, the one smiling person in the main pic is Janelle Monae but people DO NOT recognize her when she isn't in a tux. Now I understand why folks couldn't figure out Superman was Clark Kent. You put Janelle Monae in a dress and fluff her fro out and people be like "who's that?" She probably be at Target EVERYDAY and we can't tell


Posted by: lemmy caution | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 8:01 AM
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Does anyone take public transportation?

Sure. It saves me money, it's better for the environment, and it lets me continually update my norms for physical attractiveness.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 8:05 AM
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41: but it's not directly continuous with what people think of as the classic form of teenage-girl bullying.

For "anonymous"/stranger bullying on the internet such as that with Gamergate I agree. But there is also the more intimate Facebook/school board (what was that one service mentioned here recently?) kind of cyber-bullying that I think is much more similar to the school stuff described in the post.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 8:21 AM
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20 : I just want to yell back that your kid probably isn't that hot.

I find this to be a weirdly awful response to the dynamic in question in many different ways.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 8:23 AM
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32, 35 headphone amelioration?


Posted by: lw | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 8:30 AM
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This thread, incidentally, is actually the first time I had ever heard of Blake Lively. I looked her up on Wiki and I don't recognise her at all.

But a friend of mine was employed to tutor the Delevigne sisters in French and German when they were about 10-14. ("I really should have kept in touch with them", he said, thoughtfully, as we drove past an immense billboard of wee Cara in Piccadilly.)


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 8:37 AM
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I know this is the one post where Awl hasn't recommended Bee, but I'm reading it and wishing I didn't have to choose which path to take, could just get through it all at once and let it be mutually exclusive if it needs to. There's a book that works a bit like that, Eleanor Catton's The Rehearsal, which is in some ways about a school's response to a molestation scandal, though there isn't exactly any bullying about it as I recall. I found it a very compelling read, anyway.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 8:40 AM
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The Scarlett Johansson-Ryan Reynolds-Blake Lively triangle didn't get one-thousandth the play that the Aniston-Pitt-Jolie triangle did. They must have better publicists.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 8:41 AM
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Or better charisma.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 8:43 AM
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50: That's all smoke and mirrors.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 8:46 AM
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|| On a completely unrelated topic, small god-daughter loved the flying thing. So, there were three of us in the aircraft: instructor took off and then handed me the controls, while explaining in detail through the headset what all the controls did, what the instruments meant etc. SGD in the back seat with immense headset on taking all this in avidly. We circled over the Chilterns for a bit and then the instructor goes "So, are you looking forward to being at the controls when you're a bit bigger?" SGD nods vigorously with huge grin on face. "Would you like to be at the controls RIGHT NOW?" Grin widens. SGD scrambles through to the front seat, plonks herself down on my knee and takes control of the aeroplane (except the rudder pedals which she is too small to reach). Flies with considerably more confidence than I had; I was doing these very shallow, wide, old-lady turns, but when SGD wants to go in a different direction she points one wing at heaven and the other at Buckinghamshire and yanks the plane round as though she has a Messerschmitt after her. A memorable trip for all concerned. |>


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 8:47 AM
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The interesting celebrity conflict is Stewart versus Paltrow. I am 100% pro-Stewart. Here is Paltrow. Anonymous books by the yard.


Posted by: lw | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 8:52 AM
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$685!


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 8:53 AM
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53: Can you justify your pro-Stewart position? And just to help Moby out here, I'll point out that this is Martha Stewart, not Jon Stewart.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 8:54 AM
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That is actually helpful.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 8:55 AM
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55: I'd originally thought Kristen Stewart and was pretty sure it was Jennifer Lawrence who had dated Paltrow's recently decoupled ex, though I'm sure not in a creepy way since she's the America's Sweetheart apex of that former triangle.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 8:56 AM
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52 is great.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 8:57 AM
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49: But in between there was the Jennifer Garner-Ben Affleck-Blake Lively triangle! But at least Garner got to have Affleck apologize to her at the Oscars.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 8:59 AM
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59: Oh! I'm retroactively shocked!


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 9:00 AM
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55. Do you need more inforation than is already in the link? Capable and probably malevolent against insipid and self-absorbed.


Posted by: lw | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 9:01 AM
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58: indeed. In three decades, when she's bringing hypersonic airliners into Heathrow or downing Russian PAK-FAs over the Black Sea, I will feel justified pride in having started the ball rolling.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 9:04 AM
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And the Celebrate thread and 2nd part of the post just now made me recall the weird recent episode where Ken Starr (and some other prominent folks like Charlie Gibson) wrote letters in support of a teacher who had been convicted of abuse at The Potomac School (the uncovered abuse happened well before their children attended).

In short all of us in the Starr family have admired Mr. and Mrs. Kloman for many years. We do not know of any occasion when he was abusive to women or children. Thus it is possible that once Mr. Kloman had children of his own in the 1970s and once he was promoted to head of the intermediate division, he made a concerted effort to his behavior of the past.

Thus wrote the president of Baylor University (as featured on the blog "Stop Baptist Predators").

Ken Starr, objectively pro-perjury, pro-prosecutorial abuse, pro-NCAA, and pro-child abuse.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 9:05 AM
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61: You do make a good point. That is horrible.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 9:05 AM
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64 to 63.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 9:12 AM
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52: Cross-cultural question -- what's a god-daughter? I mean, I know the word, but IME in the US, it's not a relationship that exists unless you're all churchgoing Catholic or Episcopalian. Is this a UK thing, where secular heathens still all have godparents and godchildren? Or have I lost track of who's unexpectedly churchgoing?


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 9:26 AM
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I have a god-daughter. She's very nice but doesn't fly airplanes.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 9:27 AM
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67: Because you neglected to teach her!


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 9:29 AM
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Right, but IIRC, you're actually Catholic.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 9:29 AM
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Yes. Also, so are my sister and her husband.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 9:29 AM
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66: If you have your children baptized in the Catholic or Episcopal church, you bring along witnesses who promise to vouchsafe the children's Christian upbringing come what may. Those are the godparents. Even secular heathens frequently go through the process for tradition's sake, much as secular heathens in other denominations continue to get married in the the church.


Posted by: knecht ruprecht | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 9:30 AM
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Isn't it pretty general in Christianity?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 9:33 AM
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IME in the US, it's not a relationship that exists unless you're all churchgoing Catholic or Episcopalian.

YMMV. I grew up atheist and I have a godmother - it was just a little symbolic gesture, giving me a bit more connection with a friend of the family; no responsibilities entail.

Now that I think of it, I'm not sure if I have a godfather. I know my brother does; mine might be absent or dead.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 9:35 AM
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71: I know the basic principle -- I have a godfather myself (the families have lost touch, but he did send me a very nice pen when I joined the Peace Corps).

I guess I don't know any lukewarm Episcopalians in my generation -- anyone I know either actually goes to church, or has cut ties enough that bothering to get a kid baptized would be peculiar. That's probably different in the UK? Is, I suppose, what I'm asking?


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 9:35 AM
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I guess (or read in Wikipedia) Calvinist-derived branches mostly dropped the idea of godparents, but it says that Orthodox Christians and Lutherans still have them.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 9:36 AM
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66: I have a godson. AFAICT, it's an honorary aunt or uncle position. His parents are Catholic (I'm definitely not), but I couldn't attend the kid's baptism to make it "official." I think the boyfriend's stepfamily assignd godparents as well. They are devout nondenomenational (still confused by this) Christians.


Posted by: ydnew | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 9:37 AM
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Assignd = assigns. They are very good at procreating. Six little ones for three couples in five years.


Posted by: ydnew | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 9:39 AM
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This is apparently me living in my secular bubble again. Never mind.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 9:40 AM
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66. Nominal Anglicans have nominal godparents. Also it's common for perfectly secular parents to nominate two or three adults to be backup in instructing/indulging children in case of accident, and these are often loosely referred to as "godparents". The two practices frequently overlap.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 9:43 AM
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This may just be my family, but the godparent is also supposed to be the person who is on the hook if both parents die. There's still a legal thing in the will, but the expectation is that the one or both godparents will be listed there as getting the kids in the event of the death of the parents. Or, at least, they get them if the grandparents can't take them.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 9:45 AM
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80 before seeing 79.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 9:46 AM
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SGD was baptised a Catholic and therefore gets a godfather (me) who has undertaken to renounce Satan. And all his works. And all his empty promises (at this point the priest accidentally knocked the immense bible off the lectern and it hit the floor with a noise like a clap of thunder, which was a bit unsettling). I'm not Catholic myself, or even religious in any way, but apparently this wasn't a problem. Or maybe the parents just didn't tell the priest. But anyway I am a kosher godfather, not just one of these informal godfathers that 79 is talking about.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 9:53 AM
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Or maybe the parents just didn't tell the priest.

I had to get a letter from my parish.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 9:56 AM
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But anyway I am a kosher godfather

None of the Jewish kids I knew growing up had godfathers...


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 9:58 AM
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My sister and brother-in-law are godparents to the Calabat, even though I'm barely a nominal Catholic at this point; I'm godmother and shiv is a "Christian witness" for their son. They are churchgoing. We go now and then because the Calabat really loves shaking people's hands at the sign of peace. (Which he thinks is going to happen at any time the service gets quiet, and he pronounces "peace" rather like "piss", so I'm amused, at least.)


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 9:59 AM
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Kosher Godfather = Meyer Lansky?


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 9:59 AM
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45: well, that's why I semi-distanced myself from the folk-joke instead of just outright making it. It's awful.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 10:03 AM
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45, 87: It sort of makes me happy, even though I'm usually chief humorless. I mean, saying it would make people have to acknowledge why on earth they think their child has anything to do with anything other than that they have to be in the middle of every story for life to have any meaning at all.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 10:08 AM
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Calvinist-derived branches mostly dropped the idea of godparents

I was a teenager before I ever heard the word not modified by "fairy." The movie had not come out then, or that would have been my association.

My SIL was Episcopalian, and I became Godfather to my nephew, my introduction to the concept. He's 48 now.


Posted by: idp | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 10:15 AM
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A friend of mine has a "honeymom" which functions as a godmother. I don't know if that's a michigan thing or what.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 10:18 AM
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Alameida:

Comparing this summary with the last one, it occurs to me to ask if many of your detractors may not have realized how much access to you and opportunity he had. Still very wrong to react the way they did, but if they didn't know about it, and were just presuming an ordinary teacher/pupil relation, they might have been wondering how much initiative you might have taken.


Posted by: idp | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 10:21 AM
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The counterpart to a honey mom is a honey boo boo.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 10:21 AM
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Sugar daddy.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 10:22 AM
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Speaking of hair and style, I would like some advice from the fashion minds of unfogged. I have naturally wavy/frizzy hair and a very big/ high brow.

The only way I can get it to look reasonably kempt is to iron it. I currently part it down the middle. I've been growing it out, and I need to get it cut soon to have more layers put in. Second day hair has a little more generally non-frizzy wave.

I don't like pictures of me, because all I ever notice is my forehead. I'm not willing to go for bangs, but I'm trying to figure out what I should ask my stylist for. And. if my hair gets in my eyes too much, I find it annoying.

I googled "hair styles for big foreheads and found this link.

I am wondering whether something like "10. Christina Hendricks Bold Layers" or "14 Kate Beckinsale long layers" would work. Kate's forehead isn't really *that* big, and I'm not going to grow my hair that long, because it will overwhelm me, and be too heavy.

I'm trying to wear my hair down more, because I look too young when it's pulled back in a pony tail. I'd also like a style which would allow me to pull it back part-way without drawing too much attention to my forehead.

Thoughts, anyone? Serious ones.

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Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 10:23 AM
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I am an informal godmother to one delightful 10 year old, and a sworn in in church godmother to one delightful 2 year old. The mother of the 2 year old and I chatted about it - she wanted the proper ceremony (and does go to church quite a bit, though as far as I know she's agnostic and interested in lots of faiths), and I decided I didn't have any qualms about promising the sky that I would be good. The minister knows me anyway and didn't seem to have a problem with it either. I know some people do.

My kids do not have godparents of either variety. Nor do they have appointed guardians if we die - we figured that we couldn't predict what would actually be best at the time if we did die, and there were enough people around who could and would take them in, and that it was probably best just to leave it up to those left behind to sort out.


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God, every time I hear this line I just want to yell back that your kid probably isn't that hot is insufficiently fetching.


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95: If I have a kid, I will most definitely figure out an appointed guardian. No prospects in sight right now.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 10:30 AM
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94: I don't have a particularly large forehead, exactly, but I have a very large skull, leading to a large face, and without a whole lot of hair around it I look kind of terrible. What I tell people cutting my hair is 'long layers around my face', and I end up with an untidy version of the long-hair cuts at the bottom of the page you linked. I think it ends up looking mostly okay.


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Which is, yeah, I'd try 10 or 14, and see how it looks on you. I'm not clear on what you're worried about being overwhelmed, but it doesn't seem to be a problem on me.


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87. 88: My humorlessess explicated a bit. In the cases* that I have been aware of personally, the parental dynamic stems from their anxieties about their child not getting a fair shake athletically if they are perceived as not supporting the coach 100%, and/or active and hostile denial that their kid could also be being actually abused**. It's all part and parcel of the massive (and joint) psychologically-abusive Youth Industrial Sports System that all parties have bought into. But I now am reading it as a "joke" so we're all good. ***

*Several with actual sexual abuse, others just psychological and low-levels of physical abuse.

**Or (often years) after the fact, justifying their behavior at the time.

***In penance I will offer up a similar awful joke that absolutely cracked me up at the time. King of All Blacks (character who called into the Howard Stern Show): "What I want to know is why is it always boys and not girls? Where are all the normal priests?"


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99: I have small shoulders and a petite frame and am short, so if it gets too long, it doesn't look proportionate.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 10:49 AM
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I got it.

I don't think length much past your shoulders has much effect on how it makes your face look, though -- anything with sort of bits and pieces around the sides of your face, from a chin length bob to shoulder length or so, should do the same sort of thing. (Actually, and good lord should no one be listening to me about hair, or about what they look like, but if I remember your face well enough which I probably don't, there's a Christina Ricci hairstyle down near the bottom of the linked page that I think might look good on you. Not the kind of thing I could manage, but if you're already ironing your hair you could probably make it do that.)


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 10:53 AM
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Well, I know you don't want bangs, but I think the best answer for this question is usually something at least related to bangs. The Christina Ricci cut, for example, actually includes bangs, but that sort of sideswept bang is less stressful in the growing out stages. How would you feel about that?

Layers around the face can make the rest of your face look narrower without reducing the forehead real estate, for an even foreheadier result.

Also, what happens if you just switch to a side part? You can experiment with that ahead of time.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 10:59 AM
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Oh, yeah. Center parts seem very foreheady to me. (Sally just started parting her hair in the middle, and suddenly turned into whatserface from Freaks and Geeks. She was delighted when I mentioned this, and immediately dug up an old Army jacket to complete the look.)


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 11:03 AM
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As the child of a lapsed Unitarian, my son has a fairy godmother.

Re ms. lively, tom and lorenzo make this an efficient one to adjudicate, agree she lacks that something more to justify ink in vogue, but quite plausibly has it in spades for gq or similar.


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103: I don't think I look like Christina Ricci, but a few people have said that I do, so maybe I should look into her style.


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106: From the one photo I've seen of you, I thought you resembled her and would also suggest her hair style. And, side part.

Do you trust your stylist? They too should be able to help. (Recently started going to a new one. I've always had very fine, thin hair, but whatever he's doing when he cuts it makes it look like I have twice as much.)


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Thoughts, anyone? Serious ones.

You must be new here.


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103: I just worry that I will be constantly pulling them back because they are irritating.

102: I can iron my hair, but I have no skill creating curls. And when my hair gets too long, it does get kind of weighed down. But too short, and it's not manageable.


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108: I know. That's why I added "Serious ones". For real, alameida and oudemia and Jackmormon have good fashion sense. (foxytail and LB and now Paren are providing good advice as well).


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 11:25 AM
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I know so much about hair, but I'm too shy to share it.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 11:26 AM
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107: He's good, and I've followed him twice. I have a lot of fine hair. But my hair looks so much better when he blows it dry than when I do it myself, and I always come back looking for something conservatively like what I had before.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 11:27 AM
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gets a godfather (me) who has undertaken to renounce Satan. And all his works. And all his empty promises

At my dodgy Anglican parish in London, the vicar celebrating the baptismal liturgy had the forethought to append a quiet "You answer 'yes'" when he got to this series of questions.



Posted by: knecht ruprecht | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 11:35 AM
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Wavy hair and a high forehead look great in Pre-Raphaelite paintings. Not that you'd want to do the full Dead Maiden, but it's not aesthetically bad.

I am Mother ex libris to one kid, Dwarf Lord & I are official backup-in-case-of-death parents for a friend's new kid, & I have a mother-in-Zen who I haven't seen for decades but is still friends with my mother. Characteristic 60s bit: my parents helped my miZ get an abortion, she helped when I came along unintentionally, I think I was in her wedding not long after. Felt like chaos at the time, turned out staid & well.


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106 et al:
I don't think you look like Christina Ricci, but if you had to look like someone, it would be her.


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111: If you want the real expert advice, BG, you'll have figure out a way to get Moby to come out of his shell.


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112: I know the phenomenon. This is why I was so happy to have someone who managed to actually cut & style it in a way that is something I can manage myself. When he does it, it obviously does look that much better than when I do it, but when I do it, it doesn't look like a completely different hair cut. Finally, someone who took me seriously when I said I'm completely awful/lazy at hair! (And who has devoted a fair bit of time trying to teach me how to do it.)


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 11:43 AM
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"But my hair looks so much better when he blows it dry than when I do it myself" - this is universally true. Lazier than a flat iron and less fiddly, also taking advantage of natural slight eave, try hot curlers. Particularly if you don't have excessive amounts of hair, just whack in a few before you hop in the shower and take then out after your coffee. Bit of gentle fluffing and you're good to go. Some volume in your hair can balance out a large forehead.


Posted by: dairy queen | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 11:45 AM
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wave not eave, obviously


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Not obvious at all. I thought you were talking about hair forming a ridge to keep water off your eyes.


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118: I think I might need to try that, but probably for days off/nights out/etc, because wow anything more complicated than a brush is too much for me most mornings. (I meant what I said re: being lazy about hair.)


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118: I try not to wash my hair more than every other day, usually every 3rd. (Sometimes 4th, but then it gets gross.)

Link to the kind of curlers you're talking about?


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 11:50 AM
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Link to follow promise! Will have to look tonight, but they are dead simple to use.


Posted by: dairy queen | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 11:54 AM
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120: I have such absurd amounts of hair that rain has difficulty penetrating, so yes not obvious.


Posted by: dairy queen | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 11:55 AM
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Oh my fucking god, the snow they're getting in upstate New York right now. aaaaaaaaahhHHHHHH do not want


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 11:56 AM
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I used to have that. Then it went away.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 11:57 AM
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I too have absurd quantities of hair. I feel that if I tried to get curlers involved my arms would probably fall off before I was done.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 11:57 AM
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126 to 124. We have a dusting of snow here right now. It hasn't gone away yet.


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We have a dusting of snow here right now. It hasn't gone away yet.

We got several inches the other day; some melted, and now what remained has frozen very very solid. I don't *think* the horrible nightmare snow is coming here or to you.


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125: It is always bad in Buffalo's southtowns, where it's 4 feet and so on. We should facetime with my grandmother and see if she can show the girls some impressive drifts.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 12:00 PM
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Over 5" an hour though! And they're expecting up to 70" total! And it's the middle of November! Ugh, I die.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 12:01 PM
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I get paid for snow days. Let it snow, let it snow, let it snow.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 12:02 PM
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FYI-- There are a couple of pictures of me in the flickr pool. One at a black tie event and one that Sifu posted from a meetup with arthegall when he first came to Boston for a year.

My eyebrows are properly groomed now and open up my eyes more.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 12:03 PM
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"Let it snow" is truly one of the most annoying phrases in the English language. Though if snow days were directly followed by an immediate and full disappearance of all the snow that brought the snow day about, I'd be right there with you.


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NYC winters, over the last decade, have had a lot of ridiculously pleasant snows along those lines. A foot of pretty snow, and then two days later the weather goes above freezing for a couple of days, maybe with a night's rain to wash it away. All the 'snow day'! and nothing grubby and icy a week later. (Last winter wasn't like that, admittedly, but prior years.


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134: I loved snow in highschool, when I had no shoveling responsibilities.

I once mentioned my proposal for municipalities to clear sidewalks instead of requiring property owners to do it. I think that this is how it works in parts of Canada. Then I would be happy to have it snow.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 12:11 PM
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Right now, I've got my window open to enjoy the fresh air and because whoever is heating the building went a little nuts.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 12:13 PM
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This is probably not the politic time or place to mention the very luscious blackberries I just bought at the market across the street...


Posted by: dairy queen | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 12:28 PM
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where did you get them!@!!! I lvoe balckbaerreis


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stet


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And it's the middle of November!

The Lake effect snow machine works best early in the season when the lakes are still warm. But this is earlier than usual--early season Polar Vortex is the perfect lake effect storm.

The Buffalo Forecast office lake effect page has great information and maps on notable events through the years.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 12:33 PM
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Yrena comes to the FB market on Tuesdays. The strawberries are hopeless now, but the blackberries are still gorgeous.


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I'll have whatever neb had.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 12:36 PM
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FB market?


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 12:38 PM
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Oh FB market.


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ferry building, it's across the street from my office.


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Looks like they are at the civic center market as well, but I don't know about the east bay.


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Many years ago in a land far away with a far different body I did a 50K cross-country ski race in the Lake Ontario snow belt. (It was the Tug Hill Tourathon at the time, now seems to be the Winona Forest Tourathon). Lack of snow to ski on was not an issue.


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126 to 127. Now that I no longer have absurd quantities of hair, I can't just get out of bed, run my fingers through it, and dash out the door. Now I wake up and look like this, and only running my head under a faucet will make the slightest difference on it. It's kind of a pain.


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running my head under a faucet

This may not be phrased quite correctly.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 12:54 PM
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You may have problems with your hair, but your skin looks amazing for your age.


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I find that the longer it has been since I have washed my hair with shampoo, the easier it is to make it look presentable without taking a full shower. I imagine after a certain number of days, this ceases to be true, but unwashed hair and partially-used containers of mixed greens smell after 8 days.


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152: urple was the one who tried the no shampoo experiment, right?


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I think urple tried no soap at all. I just tried using shampoo maybe twice a week.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 1:14 PM
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The savings really pile up.


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\\

this was interesting. this guy thinks that low oxygen levels at high altitudes in Utah lead to a change in brain chemistry that is good for those with ADD and bad for those prone to depression:

http://mic.com/articles/104096/there-s-a-suicide-epidemic-in-utah-and-one-neuroscientist-thinks-he-knows-why

Renshaw believes that oxygen-poor air tampers with brain chemistry, leading to a drop in serotonin and an uptick in dopamine. Serotonin and dopamine are neurotransmitters, brain chemicals that relay signals between neurons and other cells.

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Posted by: lemmy caution | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 1:33 PM
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I may be trying the no shampoo thing soon just because I keep forgetting to buy some when I go shopping. This may be a good thing because I've gotten this bizarre combination cowlick/mohawk thing going on as my latest cut grows in and maybe this will help slick it down.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 1:34 PM
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Soap and shampoo are absolute scams. Shower without them and you will be better off. (You will be worse off at first because your skin is producing way too much oil because you keep washing it away with soap every day. So, you'll spend a little while being too oily. But after a while your skin will adjust and you will be much healthier. And the savings really pile up.) The only downside I noticed is that for some reason if I'm not using soap or shampoo of any sort, my showers begin to feel purposeless, and since they feel purposeless, I start skipping them, and when I skip showers for some strange reason I also tend not to change my underwear, and after a few days of that things can start to smell pretty impressively rank. (And there are fine lines between odorless and then naturally human smelling and then offensively odorous, and you are not in a good position to tell when you've slid from one to another. If I start to notice that my crotch smells unpleasant when I'm sitting fully clothed at my desk in my office, I figure that's a problem.)


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 1:39 PM
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But that is a solvable problem.


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 1:44 PM
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Yeah, think I'll remember to buy some shampoo next time I go shopping.


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158: I believe that the Romans used oil and scraped the dirt off. You could try that as an experiment.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 1:46 PM
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my showers begin to feel purposeless

Every once in a while I come across a sentence that reminds me that there are other humans whose perception of reality is radically different than my own.


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I stopped using soap on my face a few months back and my skin seems to be much clearer for it. I like to think I'm encouraging a healthy microbiome there that is much more resistant to the invasions of zit-causing bacteria.

I'm still using shampoo, though. Microbiomes don't do jack for my hair.


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161: Big Strigil has you on the payroll.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 1:52 PM
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It is very cold here. Actually, it snowed a bit all day, though not much stuck. Still, it's pretty clear that this is going to be an impressively ferocious winter. I say that because the winter weather cycles of my youth tended to travel in packs of three. And also because the wooly bear caterpillars have amazingly wide bands this year (they look fully black). Which is to say, science x 2!


Posted by: Von Wafer | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 2:25 PM
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It's not like anybody had the choice to stay some place with warmer weather.


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165: I might actually bite through my tongue.


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He's right about the caterpillars not having much brown/orange this fall. And that you can group years into sets of three. I've seen it done with sets of four (Olympics, presidents).


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 2:44 PM
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Although at least VW doesn't live in Buffalo.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 2:47 PM
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There aren't any universities in the area that are morally compromised enough.


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Still, it's pretty clear that this is going to be an impressively ferocious winter.

Sob.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 3:12 PM
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Thruway just south of Buffalo right now.


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Yesterday evening I noticed the pool was a couple degrees cooler than usual. Probably because the sea breeze had been a bit on the strong side all day. That's November for you!


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They want me to take a 15FQ+ test. Which I just did. I probably got them all wrong.

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Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 3:43 PM
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My new jacket that said it was good for temperature as low as 30 degrees regular was accurately described.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 3:44 PM
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According to my reading of English novels, it's not at all uncommon for nonbelievers and even nonbelievers who are notionally members of dissenting sects to have their children baptized in the Church of England "by default."

I was surprised when someone told me, "of course there are Jewish people who have godparents, what were you thinking?" Can't remember who that was. There is someone who stands up at the naming ceremony IIRC, or was at the last one I attended.


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175: Bianquette cried this morning when I tried to put her parka on her (she's six) and I promised to check the catalogue to see if her other coat is okay for this weather, but I wore my equivalent out later and it was not.

I visited Minneapolis/St. Paul once, in February or March (that's where you are?). I remember that to get from the hotel to the customer site, you went through a mall.


Posted by: bianca steele | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 3:47 PM
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Pittsburgh.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 3:49 PM
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No, Buffalo.


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178: Google failed me.


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176 - yeah, a christening is a good excuse for a party basically. We don't (or didn't anyway) do baby showers, so you need an opportunity to get presents after the baby arrives.


Posted by: asilon | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 4:04 PM
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Dubai's like that too.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 4:05 PM
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Looks like it's going to be pretty warm, sunny even, in Philadelphia this week.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 4:06 PM
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Though if snow days were directly followed by an immediate and full disappearance of all the snow that brought the snow day about, I'd be right there with you.

According to my sister, this is Denver & Boulder.


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184. "I like snow, I just don't want it home-delivered."


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41, 44: You don't get the kind of bullying happening because people can smell fear on you the way you do in school, but there's the occasional online group that seems to function as a small hipster bar, although it's supposed to be for discussing some novel or something. (And, ok, if you want to discuss drug deals in public in your special code, that's not my problem, and is that really what you want to do with the 24/7 AA thread going on at the same time?) Also some people do the kind of thing that would be called negging or whatever if it were trying to get actual physical sex but it's emotional abuse interpersed into a conversation about some interesting topic which you had both appeared to be making a good-faith effort on. So you don't agree: you get emotional abuse. You disagree with the wrong third party: you get emotional abuse. You meta-discuss the discussion: you get emotional abuse about how you're maybe not fit to be in a discussion. I don't see women doing this, maybe because I never see women getting past step 1 with the subculture that does it. I also don't see it a lot any more, maybe because of better moderation, maybe because they've gone off to do other things. Maybe they've just gotten subtler. Maybe they found my real name more tempting than this one.

Not the same thing as the school bullying, however, though I knew one or two girls who were into gaslighting and similar things.

The Irish girl who'd moved to Amherst was bullied mostly by other girls (boys drove them around town to help out and stuff), but yeah, it sounds a lot like the Facebook stuff mostly men do now.


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183: That will probably be the topic of conversation the next time I talk to my dad.


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so mny thots!:
158: urple, every now and then you surprise me with your sheer urpleness. the degree to which you are you and not other people is indeed striking.
52: ajay, you are shaping up to be a totally awesomesauce godfather. one of my godfathers is a huge tall bearish man with a big black mustache, and when I was little he lived in a tiny white house with a tin roof, that was heated only with a wood stove; granted, out on a creek in south carolina--still, it can freeze! he could play the fiddle and would play songs for me like "froggy went a'courting." he also let me drive his motorboat when I was 7, which was great. it's not like there are a ton of things to run into in a hurry in a motorboat on a wide tidal river.
LB: my children were very legit baptized even though I am a notional episcopalian. well, I mean, I guess I went to church school for six years, and church at various times, and was baptized; it's just that I don't personally care. it's like being ethnically jewish. they have godparents. ITIHMHB that the best part is when the priest (ours is English) puts the chrism on the baby/kid's forehead and says "CHRIST CLAIMS YOU FOR HIS OWN." like, ok, wow, end times problems, sizzolved. I also had a fairy godmother growing up who was queer so she thought it was funnier that way. she's crazy but cool, would show up late at night and wake me up to bring me cool gifts, like once those giant easter eggs made of sugar with little scenes inside, and sometimes leave her black cashmere overcoat that smelled of opium (the perfume) by accident, and sometimes in middle school I would come downstairs and she and my mom would pretend to have woken up super early when any fool could see they had stayed up all night doing coke, which was funny.
BG: hmmm, I'm honestly a big bangs advocate. I know they're scary, but if you're willing to consider side-swept layers then you're willing to have the bangs exist in their growing-out stage. as far as worrying about them getting in your face, choppy layers are worse than bangs in a way because they're longer. the period during which you are blowing them up our of your eyes is short. since you have a high forehead I would avoid the betty page high and blunt and go for the hits-the-eyebrows and layered, but then you do have to trim them. salons will let you come back for bangs trims a few times per haircut.

but if not then I agree a side part would take the focus off your forehead, and then layers around your face. again I'm the advocate of radical change but I would whack a lot off if the ponytail is boring you. if all you ever do is wear a ponytail, if your long hair working for you? working the way a bob made of all long layers would? or shoulder-skimming length? I feel like the right haircut would let your hair be able to air-dry with product in it. it's just hair, it'll grow back! sometimes we look strikingly better with some new thing.


Posted by: alameida | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 7:17 PM
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42: don't you dast suggest I can't recognize janelle monĂ¡e in varying outfits? don't you think I watched all he videos, ever?

91: you know, idp, I actually never thought of it like that. I really can't imagine why. huh.

ajay, as to your point that women have superior verbal bullying skills; they do, but they are also greatly dependent on affect. with girls online now, I imagine you can see everyone else's conversations about you all the time, and parties that you didn't get invited to, and people making fun of you on an open page. I think it must suck horribly. but you have to know the people first for it to work. it's not a good stranger to stranger bullying method, like gamergate. I think often then sheer volume of "why don't you kill yourself you slut" is important. but both girls and boys send messages like that, maybe just that particular type boys more, and sometimes devote more time to creating multiple fictitious accounts to hound someone. it's a different method.


Posted by: alameida | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 7:23 PM
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I feel like the right haircut would let your hair be able to air-dry with product in it.

This is true fact. And it reminds me that ung I need to go get a fresh haircut from the new guy at my old haircut place. He gave my waves the true loving attention they craved and the results were pleasing. I am worried, though, to see that his name does not appear on the salon's website. Is he gone already? I sure hope not.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 7:30 PM
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188.1: People are not urple still can give urple ideas.

And they can also reinforce them.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 7:30 PM
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I need a haircut very badly, as shiv is correct in observing that it's reached Game of Thrones or hobbit territory, but despite my appearance, I offer my $0.02: BG, high foreheads love long sideswept bangs with a side part. If your hair can handle it, go for it.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 7:47 PM
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We are almost 200 comments into the thread and no one has mentioned Blake Lively's glamorization of slaveowners?

Honestly, until last month I struggled to keep her straight among the Blakes/Ryans/Channings/ambiguous names of Hollywood people whose movies I haven't seen. But hoo boy, did she set herself apart. Blech.


Posted by: Witt | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 7:52 PM
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That was mentioned up in 14.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 7:56 PM
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Someone needs to thank alameida for making me go back and see that 158 was written by urple (who I don't know) and not them. They won't know who they are, so thank you, alameida.


Posted by: bianca steele | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 7:59 PM
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Who did you think it was written by?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 8:05 PM
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194: oops, so it was. Sorry, oudemia!


Posted by: Witt | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 8:11 PM
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192: I should try it. Need to figure out whether left or right part is better.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 8:27 PM
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Just ask your stylist how to tell if you dress right or dress left.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 8:33 PM
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188: I always pulled it back when it was shorter too. I have been told that I look sexier with longer hair, so...


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 9:39 PM
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As promised, the hot rollers are from "baby bliss" (where the hell do they get these names?), ceramic (so hold the heat) covered in thin fuzzy material, and came with clamp things to keep them on. Could not be simpler to use.

If your hair is relatively thick, at least shoulder length and has a reasonable amount of texture/wave, a very low maintenance way to go is wash, and when damp put in a moderate amount of something to encourage smoothness and holdyness, then french braid for day one, tuck the end in under the braid and everyone will think you did something super special (ha!). If you don't know how to whack your hair into a french braid the tricks are: 1 - don't look in the mirror; and 2 - don't worry about the "middle", just get the outer boundaries in the braid and you'll be fine, a few hairpins strategically distributed, no worries (put some spares in your handbag with your lipstick). Figure out where the center of gravity for the braid looks best on you (high - elisabeth of Austria - or low - clara schumann) and aim for that, not a precise science, but with the tiniest bit of practice totally works. Systematically search every drugstore in your usual orbit to find the one that stocks unscented elnett and you are golden, very small amount of it and you can be in meetings until 10 pm without any worries, brushes out like a dream. Do not be tempted by anything but unscented, my god the scent on that stuff is horrendous.

Sleep on the braid, bang 6-9 hot rollers in the next morning, you'll end up with some volume and wave without overwhelming frizz.

There is no need to get all wrapped up in manic brushing at any point in this process. Life is too short; finger comb and move on.

Anyone with shoulder length thick hair who is washing it more than 2x per week is clearly childless and likely not gainfully employed, my god that would take forever. Even if I wait to braid my hair until it is only damp it is not dry the next morning. And blow drying is a massive drag plus has a measurable effect on the local power grid, glaciers permanently calve if I try to blow dry my hair.


Posted by: dairy queen | Link to this comment | 11-18-14 11:09 PM
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One of the nicest visuals of the Buffalo lake effect snow showing the abruptness of the transition from clear to getting dumped on (shot from a plane window at night). Map of snow depths around Buffalo.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 11-19-14 6:13 AM
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Broader regional view of current snow depth. A typical pattern (dependent on wind direction, sometimes the big snows are further south if winds is more from W/NW than SW like in this case). Note that Toronto got no snow from this, also typical.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 11-19-14 6:17 AM
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Yeah, my cousins in Toronto would often visit Cleveland and find themselves stunned by the mile-high snirt drifts. Regardless, it's about 11 degrees here today, which is cold, even in Canadian.


Posted by: Von Wafer | Link to this comment | 11-19-14 6:25 AM
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Yeah, my cousins in Toronto would often visit Cleveland and find themselves stunned by the mile-high snirt drifts.

On the other hand, think of the joy of waking on a weekday morning and hearing that your local school has declared a Snirt Day. No school! You can put on your snirt shoes and go out and play in the snirt with all your friends!


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 11-19-14 6:30 AM
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and you can go slredding! and have hot kakano! with mrshmanallows!


Posted by: alameida | Link to this comment | 11-19-14 6:33 AM
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The kids and I made a snirtman


Posted by: rob helpy-chalk | Link to this comment | 11-19-14 6:35 AM
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Those are some big glasses.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-19-14 6:37 AM
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205: snirt is a thing in Cleveland. It falls as snow and becomes snirt after it sits on the ground, mixes with filthy air and dirt, and is plowed into unsightly drifts. Which is to say, your scenario is nonsense.


Posted by: Von Wafer | Link to this comment | 11-19-14 6:39 AM
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The little girl's glasses look great, Mobes. Seriously, don't be such a judgmental dick. You'll have to answer to alameida.


Posted by: Von Wafer | Link to this comment | 11-19-14 6:41 AM
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Sorry alameida.


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209: I honestly thought that was a typo. I stand corrected. Once again, Cleveland is not only stranger than I imagine: it is stranger than I can imagine.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 11-19-14 6:48 AM
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I appreciate your honesty but deprecate your lack of ability to imagine post-industrial frozen hellscapes.


Posted by: Von Wafer | Link to this comment | 11-19-14 6:50 AM
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I have been told that I look sexier with longer hair

There are very few people for whom this statement is not true.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 11-19-14 6:53 AM
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Also, while we're talking about the unchanging nature of fashion, I find myself needing a new down jacket (and maybe some moon boots). Are these warm? I mean the genre, rather than that specific jacket.


Posted by: Von Wafer | Link to this comment | 11-19-14 6:55 AM
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The Clevelander has 50 portmanteaux for snow mixed with various forms of dirt and trash.


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215: I'm sure they're great. Don't mind me. I'll be over in the corner, shivering and being force fed corn.


Posted by: Opinionated Goose | Link to this comment | 11-19-14 6:57 AM
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you have to know the people first for it to work. it's not a good stranger to stranger bullying method, like gamergate.

Good point. That is presumably the difference between things like Gamergate and things like, presumably, the Megan Meier case: the women who were involved with Meier's death knew her well (a friend of Meier, the friend's mother, and one of the mother's employees).


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217: one reason why I'd buy the Patagonia is that they use only "traceable down." No, seriously!


Posted by: Von Wafer | Link to this comment | 11-19-14 7:04 AM
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Since I'm going to be killed for my meat anyway, go ahead and take the feathers.


Posted by: Opinionated Goose | Link to this comment | 11-19-14 7:06 AM
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The video at that link is AWESOME.


Posted by: Von Wafer | Link to this comment | 11-19-14 7:07 AM
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Because B.O.C., that's why.


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"Patagonia Brand Soylent Green. Traceable! Only comes from people being killed for other reasons.


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212: I thought it was a typo, too, and I live in Cuyahoga county. That is actual Cleveland snirt in that snirtman.


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224: Right. Not a term in general use back in my NE Ohio days. But the thing described was certainly a feature. I would walk to school imagining that they were mountain ranges and mentally mapping them.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 11-19-14 8:36 AM
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I appreciate your honesty but deprecate your lack of ability to imagine post-industrial frozen hellscapes.

New mouseover.


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 11-19-14 8:57 AM
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CNN and Wolf Blitzer all over the important parts of the Buffalo snowstorm story.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 11-19-14 12:13 PM
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I, too, failed to know about snirt. but it's obvious now. the revolting black slush of fourth-post-snow-day in NY is definitely something like snludge, unless the happy scenario adverted to by LB above ensues.


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