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Agreed on the determination of teenagers, but I guess I'm just not as squeamish about roaches as he is. Now, if it had been pigeons that would be a different matter...


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11-20-14 10:27 PM
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It's a well-told story, but I find myself skeptical of a house (in Florida, no less) with only _dead_ insects.


Posted by: Cosma Shalizi | Link to this comment | 11-20-14 10:28 PM
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2 is also a good point.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11-20-14 10:30 PM
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I think that was an essential element of the story. We imagine him going from room to room, expecting that this room will be the one full of LIVE roaches that will finally disgust him enough to stop working, and never do they appear. Why are they all dead? Does fumigation work that well when it's done to a house unoccupied by humans?


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 11-20-14 10:33 PM
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I think it's probably hard to judge one's squeamishness about roaches, as it would manifest itself in a situation like that, without having been in a situation like that, but hey, Alaska's a crazy place.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 11-20-14 10:34 PM
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I have lived in other places, you know.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11-20-14 10:36 PM
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Why are they all dead? Does fumigation work that well when it's done to a house unoccupied by humans?

Surely fumigation works better in a house unoccupied by humans than it does in a house occupied by humans, where the effects of said fumigation on said humans would be a consideration in the decision on how thoroughly to fumigate.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11-20-14 10:38 PM
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I figured someone had treated or fumigated the place and the effect was delayed but catastrophic. Think of all the crunching.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 11-20-14 10:40 PM
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Think of all the crunching.

Yeah, no, this does nothing for me. I've seen lots of dead bugs.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11-20-14 10:42 PM
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I thought there was going to be a dead body on that mattress in the room.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 11-20-14 10:42 PM
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I have lived in other places, you know.

Yeah, but I mean, Alaska's so much, like, BIGGER than those places, and you, teo, are a man to match its bigness.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 11-20-14 10:43 PM
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The portion of my life that I have lived in not-Alaska is much BIGGER than the portion I have lived in Alaska, though. And I'm not that big a man.

(...laydeez.)


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11-20-14 11:05 PM
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Fun sized. The word is fun sized.


Posted by: Martin Wisse | Link to this comment | 11-21-14 12:06 AM
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I also to 10. To the point where I am now slightly disappointed.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 11-21-14 12:19 AM
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Yeah, another agreement with 10. It was a nice mystery story, but had no payoff at the end. What was up with all those roaches?


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 11-21-14 6:15 AM
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Maybe they'd consumed the body entirely, even the bones, and had all died because the deceased had been poisoned by their kindly Lawng Islund grandmother.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 11-21-14 6:37 AM
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14: Be the change.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 11-21-14 6:53 AM
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14: I'm with ajay. where is the murdered child? having said that, my children are truly amused by south carolinians' stakhanovite use of courtesy to change what is real: we have re-named the 'giant flying cockroaches' we have there 'palmetto bugs.' girl x's friend naoko wanted to know if they were any different from the 'giant flying cockroaches' we have in narnia (but not so much in naoko's native osaka, japan, leading to some distress for the young lady.) nope, just the same. here they are also known as 'aiyah behind you! cockroach one, so big lah! you see--why you never clean? always like that one, you never clean what, eat here eat there anyhow. hey, why you don't kill already?!' in south carolina we also have wholesome 'river rats' (that's why our club of kids from all up and down the bluff was called 'the bluffton river rats'). in new york these are called 'sewer rats' or 'holy fucking shit that is as big as a yorkshire terrier' rats or 'oh god look down the subway tracks it must weigh three pounds' rats. like it says on the license plate, 'smiling faces, beautiful places.'


Posted by: alameida | Link to this comment | 11-21-14 6:58 AM
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Only a monster would say 17 -> 18.1.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 11-21-14 7:05 AM
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Narnians aren't bad at that themselves. Witness the rigorous insistence that the smog that covered Narnia for weeks last year and forced everyone to wear N95 masks was to be known as "the haze". Which sounds kind of nice and relaxing.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 11-21-14 7:11 AM
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Does it say something about you, whether you expected there to be a body or a cheeseburger?


Posted by: bianca steele | Link to this comment | 11-21-14 8:27 AM
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My heart is pounding. He just got to the bulge in the mattress. I'm not sure I can finish it.

As most of you know, I lived in Miami for 7 years. Jesus, the palmetto bugs (that is, giant roaches, ~2" long).

Hmm. glancing upthread, it appears there's nothing to fear.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 11-21-14 8:44 AM
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Oh, hey, palmetto bugs already mentioned.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 11-21-14 8:47 AM
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Not that Americans' tendency to fly American flags is not weird, but every time I see someone mentioning how uniquely weird it is I would like to point them in the direction of Dennmark. Danes loooove their flag.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 11-21-14 8:49 AM
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I've lived my entire life in Palmetto Bug locations, and they gross me out. I kind of skimmed the article at a brisk pace so as not to dwell on it too closely.

(The grossest thing about palmetto bugs is that they are so big that they audibly and physically crunch when you kill them, like a small mammal. That is why I trap and release them, just to avoid the grossness of the sound and smear.)


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 11-21-14 8:50 AM
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When my sister and I went to see the 2nd Indiana Jones, we had heard about the scene with the bugs. My sister agreed to watch and tell me when it would be safe to open my eyes.

I'm much better about bugs now, but I'm still not sure how I'd handle them in vast quantities, dead or alive.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 11-21-14 8:52 AM
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I refuse to live anywhere without a winter cold enough to prevent those kinds of giant bug piles.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-21-14 8:55 AM
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25: I learned the hop-on-'em technique for palmetto bug execution. Just stomping them gets bug guts on the other shoe and ankle.


Posted by: biohazard | Link to this comment | 11-21-14 9:00 AM
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My sister agreed to watch and tell me when it would be safe to open my eyes.

Mrs. E have a standing agreement along these lines. I tell her when the snakes are gone so she can uncover her eyes, and she tells me when they're done with the close-up shot of the hypodermic needle being inserted into the vein so I can stop looking away.


Posted by: MAE | Link to this comment | 11-21-14 9:02 AM
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The bug I most abominate is the goddamn motherfucking camel cricket. Vile, loathsome, hopping, crunchy things. They are like shrimp with giant cricket spider legs. I hadn't seen any in a while but then today one hopped into my hand when I went to throw something in the garbage. Then I heard one in front of the sink (they are big and crunchy enough that they make noise when they move around). I jumped and it hopped away. I look into the sink and there is a-fucking-nothing one. Now I see a dead one by the back door. I would burn the house down if I hadn't already had a stroke and died.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 11-21-14 9:05 AM
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A cricket on the hearth is good luck.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-21-14 9:06 AM
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These are NOT the nice sqeaky Jimminy-Times-Square kind!


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 11-21-14 9:09 AM
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"Camel cricket" sounds like some sort of 19th century British imperial eccentricity, like, say, "elephant polo".


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 11-21-14 9:11 AM
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More high brow than donkey basketball.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 11-21-14 9:20 AM
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Heh.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 11-21-14 9:24 AM
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Less exciting than ostrich jai alai.


Posted by: MAE | Link to this comment | 11-21-14 9:26 AM
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Donkey basketball sounds like it would be murder on the flooring.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-21-14 9:32 AM
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Not if they wear basketball shoes.


Posted by: DaveLMA | Link to this comment | 11-21-14 10:52 AM
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24: In fairness to the Danes, their flag isn't nearly as tacky.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 11-21-14 11:21 AM
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camel cricket

California has the Jerusalem cricket, a strong contender for gnarliest bug in North America.


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 11-21-14 11:26 AM
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I never saw camel crickets growing up but now they're all over the place. I've also heard them called cave crickets.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 11-21-14 11:41 AM
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You could probably control your cave cricket problem by getting one of these.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 11-21-14 11:46 AM
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on the flag: I liked how he thought that a picture of two neighboring houses with flags would be sufficient to illustrate Americans' strangeness. A nice view into how others see us.


Posted by: dalriata | Link to this comment | 11-21-14 11:46 AM
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Aw, it's kinda cute!


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 11-21-14 11:48 AM
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Yeah, I think if anything the outliers are England and Germany where hanging the flag is a statement of right-wing refusal to apologize for crimes of previous regimes, kind of like hanging the Confederate flag here.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 11-21-14 11:52 AM
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45: See flag and white van-guy-twitter-shadow-cabinet-firing-gate, which is incomprehensible to me on so many levels.


Posted by: dalriata | Link to this comment | 11-21-14 11:55 AM
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link


Posted by: dalriata | Link to this comment | 11-21-14 11:56 AM
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42: I . . . I'm . . . uh . . . I'm going to go curl up in the fetal position and think happy thoughts for a while.


Posted by: MAE | Link to this comment | 11-21-14 12:11 PM
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46/7. St George's flag, as opposed to the Union Jack, tends to be waved by white English racists, although it's also used by perfectly decent English football fans and some on the left are trying to reclaim it.

White vans are proverbially badly driven by young working class men, who are the demographic most widely despised by the UMC.

The tweet said, "Oh god, look what we're dealing with" at a time when Miliband is desperately trying to reconnect with the working class. Terminally tone deaf.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 11-21-14 12:21 PM
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Why white vans? Because of the serial killing?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-21-14 12:25 PM
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I understood the St. George's flag bit, and it seems like a reasonable symbol to reclaim. (And even more reasonable before the Scottish referendum.) Thanks for explaining the thing about the van; over here they're associated with jokes about child predators so I was fairly confused.

I still think that's reading a lot into a tweet that's just that picture and the text "Image from #Rochester". But your ways are different than ours, and if Farage can make hay over it (or over Miliband's reaction?), it's definitely a cockup.


Posted by: dalriata | Link to this comment | 11-21-14 12:28 PM
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Because people, especially young working class men, who need vans to make deliveries, carry their tools, whatever, tend to buy more white ones than other colours. No idea why.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 11-21-14 12:28 PM
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Someone please point to the 900-post thread in which we all discovered that British people drive white vans instead of pickup trucks.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 11-21-14 12:49 PM
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I remember that thread, but I assume it was because British people were mostly child predators.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-21-14 12:50 PM
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53: And Seattle contractors, too! Hyp.: rain.


Posted by: clew | Link to this comment | 11-21-14 3:23 PM
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I still don't really get the reason Farage was able to make so much of it, and I pass the English flag + white van combo every time I drive anywhere in my town. (Which is not Rochester.)

The other thing I don't really get is that I hear Tory/UKIP types making fun of white van men (as distinct for disparaging their driving, which everyone seems to do) more than anyone else. And I've never seen anyone in the villages around here (mainly populated by wealthier, more conservative types) fly an England flag. The whole brouhaha feels like one of those bait and switches - "Hey, this person has done something we'd normally do! Let's crucify her!" But I have to admit I haven't been paying particularly close attention.


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 11-21-14 3:50 PM
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for = from


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 11-21-14 3:52 PM
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What *do* wealthy conservative small-town types do to indicate their [patriotism | loyalty | devotion] to [queen and country | tradition | Englishness] ?


Posted by: clew | Link to this comment | 11-21-14 3:54 PM
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Also: was Thornbury on side during the supposed coup attempt? And, how likely is it that she'll be back in office in the first post-win reshuffle?


Posted by: Keir | Link to this comment | 11-21-14 3:55 PM
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Union Jack is the orthodox way - retired half-colonels in Wiltshire with the Union Jack flying are the stereotypical rich UKIP voter.

But also, why do you need to demonstrate the fact that you, lawyer in Tunbridge Wells, are a loyal, patriotic, and devoted part of the greatest nation this earth has ever seen? Isn't it just obvious by the very facts of existence?


Posted by: Keir | Link to this comment | 11-21-14 4:01 PM
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Keep the lawn & garden perfectly manicured.


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 11-21-14 4:24 PM
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Black taxi drivers and white van men: British people are so racist.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 11-21-14 4:27 PM
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The worst thing about cave crickets is when you try to smoosh one it first jumps around really energetically in random directions, sometimes right at your face. Eventually it gets tired and becomes an easy target.


Posted by: Todd | Link to this comment | 11-21-14 7:14 PM
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