Re: In Slate, An Article That Looks Thoughtful Is The Truest Contrarianism Of All

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I hadn't even realized anything like this pill was close to market. I guess I spend too much time on medicine for old people.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 12- 9-14 6:40 AM
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Use of the word "savvy" requires sanction. I don't want to revisit the early, bloody days of the "teh" prohibition, but civilization must be defended.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 12- 9-14 7:17 AM
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I skinmed the linked article which is all I ever do to any piece of writing lately and thought it was great. I keep getting into conversations about Truvada/prep for reasons I don't fully understand. It seems like there are issues where the tone of the argument has more to do with my feelings than the substance, which now that I've typed it seems pretty obvi. I just said "obvi" for Flippanter, possibly.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 12- 9-14 8:22 AM
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I found the article via Smearcase's incessant conversating (I said that to annoy anyone who's in the mood) and actually the dynamic in 3 might be a good conversation topic here too. I liked the piece.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 12- 9-14 8:34 AM
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3: [Pained sounds.]


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 12- 9-14 8:42 AM
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I can attest to the existence of some nuttiness in the gay community. Some of the comments in The Kid's FB pages demonstrate that ideology trumps science and statistics right up until the splat on the pavement. Festinger for the win once again.

(I'm delighted The Kid seems mostly immune to bullshit. I can't parent him any longer, all I can do is advise if asked.)


Posted by: biohazard | Link to this comment | 12- 9-14 9:52 AM
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Yeah, more of 3 would be good.

I suppose someone has worked out the effects of Truvada-ing only part of the population? that is, if everyone could be on it for a generation, we'd be done with AIDS, yo? but there's no way everyone will be on it that long. Half-measures backfire for, say, pesticide resistance. Or TB treatment. And how do we get it to poor-country truck stop prostitutes?

Also, I very much liked the line about freedom within form.

In my blinkered view, I also kept being reminded of the Blinkered Straight Guy Attitude of "you should be on the pill so we'll be safe what do you mean not all STDs are treatable?" Different, but not completely different.

I am preemptively relieved by having lived before antibiotic-resistant UTIs. That's going to be a return to prudery, I tell you what.


Posted by: clew | Link to this comment | 12- 9-14 1:11 PM
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||Hey Ogged -- this is literally happening for real with your dream girl.

Jessica Biel gave hints of an organic restaurant called Au Fudge in various publications, which she's dubbed the "Soho House for kids." Now comes confirmation from Toddrickallen that the actress will be opening the exclusive concept inside the former Smoke steakhouse space on Melrose in West Hollywood.
Biel says that the place will be reserved for only the Hollywood elite, allowing just the children of the rich and famous (or rich and famous children) to hang out in a "comfortable" environment. Though Biel does not have any children of her own (though one is on the way), she does recognize the need for such figures to hobnob with their own ilk.

An organic-food-serving "Soho House for kids" called Au Fudge is the hottest ass of all.|>


Posted by: Tim "Ripper" Owens | Link to this comment | 12- 9-14 1:17 PM
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I wonder if there's a worse job in the United States than serving as a staff member at Au Fudge. I guess maybe working as a staff member at Au Fudge and also being Smearcase would be the worst.


Posted by: Tim "Ripper" Owens | Link to this comment | 12- 9-14 1:21 PM
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And how do we get it to poor-country truck stop prostitutes?

Yeah, I keep thinking that seventeen years from now, whenever the patent runs out and it gets cheap (assuming that there's no non-IP reason for it to be expensive) there's a serious public health opportunity. Now, less so.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 12- 9-14 1:21 PM
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Don't worry about us. We'll be fine, I guess.


Posted by: Opinionated rich-country truck stop prostitutes | Link to this comment | 12- 9-14 1:26 PM
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Maybe there's an opportunity for charitable giving like that shoe company -- buy your monthly supply of Truvada, and donate a month's supply to a clinic?


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 12- 9-14 1:30 PM
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I've heard it is actually being made available in health clinics in SF for free. (Although that info came with an undertone of "these promiscuous spongers" despite being from someone in homeless services.)


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 12- 9-14 1:37 PM
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Sponge worthy.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 12- 9-14 1:39 PM
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11: Fair point.


Posted by: clew | Link to this comment | 12- 9-14 1:52 PM
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Typed and deleted twice, tasteless joke in response to 9.

The thing I keep saying in conversations about Truvada is that it would be helpful if the youngs could maybe stop with the "why are you guys so WEIRD about SEX?" stuff. I had all of one friend die during the worst AIDS years, which is pretty atypical for someone my age, and it still gets right up around my neck to be called sex-negative for having reservations about compulsory Truvada for one and all. (Obviously I'm being really fair about this and not parodying anyone's arguments at all.)


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 12- 9-14 2:13 PM
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But this also has all the problems of any pill that you need to take any day. Hell, for women, id I could get some sort of intra-uterine Truvada to the women of Africa, I'd do it in a heartbeat. People forget to take stuff like that regularly.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 12- 9-14 2:15 PM
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While I was away, and didn't need to follow Jessica Biel news to maintain my sexist cred, she had work done and turned thirty, and that's the end of the Jessica Biel song.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 12- 9-14 2:18 PM
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Yeah, I had a client who was homeless and + and reminded us that sometimes he hadn't had water to take his meds with.

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Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 12- 9-14 2:37 PM
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