Re: Guest Post - talking monkeys

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Has this been posted before? Study finds institutional press releases as a major driver of exaggeration of studies. (Or as the friendly media liaison put it, Are PR Flacks Destroying America?)


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 12-28-14 7:07 AM
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As far as not trusting the journalist, this is the first I've heard of "pants" meaning LONG underwear in British usage.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 12-28-14 7:08 AM
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EEEEEEEEEE ooooooooooo UUUUUUUUUuuuuu


Posted by: OPINIONATED MONKEY | Link to this comment | 12-28-14 7:50 AM
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"On the island ... you did find a lot of hok but you also found a lot of krak," Schlenker says.
I blame the CIA!
Posted by: MHPH | Link to this comment | 12-28-14 7:55 AM
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Oh, on PR flacks, apparently the US has five times more than journalists now, and better paid.


Posted by: conflated | Link to this comment | 12-28-14 9:29 AM
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then go on to list a bunch of examples of... single-word calls about different kinds of danger! Which is an interesting topic, but is not new or exciting.


Don't let it bother that languages (2) and (8) consist only of orders. if you want to say that they are therefore incomplete, ask yourself whether our own language is complete—whether it was so before the symbolism of chemistry and the notation of the infinitesimal calculus were incorporated into it; for these are, so to speak, suburbs of our language.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 12-28-14 9:41 AM
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If monkeys really used language "just as sophisticated as human language", I'd feel guiltier when I ate them. Like when I ate a chimp as opposed to like when I eat pork.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 12-28-14 9:49 AM
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If these guys really cared about science, they would be teaching monkeys and dolphins to communicate with each other via bee flower dances. That's what I'm waiting for.


Posted by: E. Messily | Link to this comment | 12-28-14 10:12 AM
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This also just reminded me of the article I read a few years ago while I was prepping a class about the evolution of language. I loved it so much I emailed this key sentence to rfts for posterity: "to explore this problem, we asked whether French-born human neonates and cotton-top tamarin monkeys can discriminate sentences of Dutch from sentences of Japanese, and whether the capacity to discriminate these two languages depends on whether they are played in a forward or backwards direction"

SCIENCE


Posted by: E. Messily | Link to this comment | 12-28-14 10:17 AM
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I suppose using French babies and monkeys saves money over using all monkeys.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 12-28-14 10:24 AM
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shoot the shit with the monkeys

Monkeys aren't that sophisticated. Theh just fling shit.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 12-28-14 10:29 AM
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just as sophisticated as human language

Well that's a wide range right there.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 12-28-14 10:53 AM
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Wait, which is exactly what Heebie said, I guess. Oh well. No value added. No one in here but us monkeys.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 12-28-14 10:54 AM
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11: I'm not sure the implicit hierarchy of things you can do with shit is correct.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 12-28-14 11:09 AM
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9: Marvelously, that sentence has not just one but two hits in Google Books. This, to my mind, raises some question about whether psychologists fired from Harvard can actually produce novel sentences, or rather merely utter stereotyped calls in response to immediately-present external stimuli.


Posted by: Cosma Shalizi | Link to this comment | 12-28-14 12:02 PM
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Blatant speciesism here.

I consider dog writing to be a branch of feminist theory, or the other way
around.
(Haraway 2003a: 3)

I have said and thought as much myself, or at least the other way around part.

I am reminded as so often by the final image of the 2nd Ghost in the Shell movie, in which facing each other in friendship are a human male holding up his young daughter and a cyborg holding up hir organic basset.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 12-28-14 2:35 PM
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Damn, I forgot

The very last image is of Batou, the cyborg holding the dog, looking at the little girl...holding her (female) doll.

If the theme of GitS was dematerializing and becoming immanent, the theme (of many) of GitS:Innocence is ethics after rematerializing into a world without transcendance.

There is nothing in the movie representing the concepts "Woman" or "Mother"

There is a character called Harraway. Shi is a cyborg, and a forensic pathologist.
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I do not consider my dogs to have a less sophisticated because less complex (?) communication system. Because Japan, and would the rock garden be more complex and sophisticated with 500 rocks instead of 5?
There is sometimes a sense that space and silence are where complexity is to be found.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 12-28-14 3:32 PM
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2 - yeah, it doesn't mean long underwear. Stupid article.


Posted by: asilon | Link to this comment | 12-28-14 4:39 PM
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Monkey language is so sophisticated, it's not that sophisticated.


Posted by: MAE | Link to this comment | 12-29-14 8:13 AM
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Monkeys have fifty different words for Eskimo.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 12-29-14 5:47 PM
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Monkeys have fifty different words for the rage they feel on hearing about The Monkees.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 12-29-14 5:48 PM
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