Re: Now What?

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The answer to "now what?" is obviously the same climb, but without any ropes at all.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 01-14-15 5:50 PM
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Maybe start at the top and go down.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-14-15 5:53 PM
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Or with only one hand.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-14-15 6:02 PM
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Maybe start at the top and go down.

Or with only one hand.

Said the actress to the bishop.


Posted by: Turgid Jacobian | Link to this comment | 01-14-15 6:04 PM
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Perhaps the Dusk Wall is next? Or does the Midday Wall need to be conquered first?


Posted by: Otto Von Bisquick | Link to this comment | 01-14-15 7:13 PM
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What next? Sit in bars getting free drinks for the rest of your life. On the ground.


Posted by: will | Link to this comment | 01-14-15 7:21 PM
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Well, you don't see that everyday.


Posted by: Bev Johnson | Link to this comment | 01-14-15 8:05 PM
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using only their hands and feet to pull themselves up

I don't know anything about this sport, so I have a question. If you're not using only your hands and feet to pull yourself up, aren't you not climbing? In other words, what parts did the reporter get wrong?


Posted by: Todd | Link to this comment | 01-14-15 8:22 PM
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8: prehensile penises


Posted by: Turgid Jacobian | Link to this comment | 01-14-15 8:31 PM
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8: what they mean is that they weren't using any ladders or anything mounted in the rock. Apparently they actually spent some time removing aids other climbers had put in.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 01-14-15 8:38 PM
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8: See "aid climbing" and devices like ascenders.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aid_climbing

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ascender_%28climbing%29

The real hardcore guys are the free soloists like Dean Potter and John Bachar (Bachar finally fell and died doing that shit in '09, he was in his early fifties). Free soloists don't use rope or any protective gear, they just go up with a bag of chalk and their climbing shoes.


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 01-14-15 10:26 PM
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Thanks for the info. The way the article put it made it sound like "they used their hands, not like the rest of those winch-and-basket-riding punks."


Posted by: Todd | Link to this comment | 01-15-15 12:02 AM
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Yeah, no banging in whatever those metal things are called.

And yes, every time I heard it on the radio I was hoping there would be a film of it to watch. They had to wait for a few days at one point for one of them's fingertips to heal! Amazing, although also very high in my "no, I would never be at all fucking interested in trying that" list.


Posted by: asilon | Link to this comment | 01-15-15 3:43 AM
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Yeah, no banging in whatever those metal things are called

Pins, I believe LB called them. To be honest, I think fixing a mixer during a climb would be as much of a hindrance as a help.


Posted by: Ginger Yellow | Link to this comment | 01-15-15 4:41 AM
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I was a very young beginning climber when Harding and (another) Caldwell did the first aid ascent of this climb, using bolts and pins, in 1970. That was thought to be a "media circus" because it got some press coverage, but it took months for the details of the route to trickle from Yosemite to far-off Pittsburgh (admittedly not a climbing mecca).


Posted by: bill | Link to this comment | 01-15-15 6:27 AM
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We now have an indoor climbing wall. It's in the same building at the fencing classes and the co-op.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-15-15 6:29 AM
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Chicago seems to be the most not-a-Mecca of all not-climbing Meccas. I think the only climbing walls in the area have come in just in the last five years. Should I acquire a backyard, I'd like to put a climbing wall in it. This is awesome, but probably not allowed around here.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 01-15-15 6:47 AM
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We just bolted the handholds into the brick of our garage.


Posted by: Ginger Yellow | Link to this comment | 01-15-15 6:52 AM
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Make this.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-15-15 6:54 AM
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So I can die in a fire?


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 01-15-15 6:59 AM
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That step is optional.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-15-15 7:00 AM
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We went to a Maker Faire with our son and they took a picture of him for the newspaper. He was holding a violin and looking like he knew how to play it.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-15-15 7:02 AM
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We have a climbing centre in town. Think two of my kids have been there. I wouldn't mind doing that.

A friend's partner had some sort of climbing set-up in their stairwell. Not sure what, but I've seen a photo of him dangling in a harness. She said it wasn't a sex thing.

14 - I'm slow today. I was sure LB hadn't commented on this thread! Fixing a mixer would give you something to do when you were just hanging there waiting for your climbing buddy's ruined fingertips to heal. Do you think they took any books to read with them? Probably a kindle, rather than an actual book.


Posted by: asilon | Link to this comment | 01-15-15 7:34 AM
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Talking of reading, every year my son's school have an "extreme reading" competition, which is basically a "show us how you are spending the money you're saving on school fees after your son managed to get in here" competition - http://www.reading-school.co.uk/31/latest-news/article/338/extreme-reading-winners-announced - up the Dawn Wall would be a worthy contender.


Posted by: asilon | Link to this comment | 01-15-15 7:39 AM
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I recently watched this movie about the 2008 K2 disaster. It mostly confirmed my impression that I totally fail to see the appeal of mountain climbing.


Posted by: AcademicLurker | Link to this comment | 01-15-15 8:00 AM
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Speaking of kindles, mine got stolen. Well, sort of. I left it on a bench in Slough station by mistake, and when I went back a few minutes later it was gone. But, some kind bloke found it on a London-Oxford train, later that evening; got my email address off it, and emailed me. Then he went out of his way to meet me a couple of days later and hand it over.

People. Not all bastards.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 01-15-15 8:02 AM
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Pittsburgh used to have a great outdoor shop. It was in a building with a double-height lobby, and they installed a climbing wall there, surely the first in town (20 years ago?). Then REI opened, drove them to the suburbs and then out of business. Hurray.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 01-15-15 8:14 AM
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Weird. Not that the guy returned it, but that it disappeared other than forever. Maybe this is the futuristic version of leaving your newspaper on the seat for the next person.


Posted by: Ginger Yellow | Link to this comment | 01-15-15 8:15 AM
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Oh, this reminds me: The Kletterwald we went to in Germany this summer was beyond awesome. I'd heard about zip line adventures in the US, but they never seemed all that intriguing. AB's cousins suggested this, but we really didn't know what it was until we got there. AB can't do heights, but the kids were totally into it, and Iris was a fucking champ, utterly fearless. There's one in one of the county parks that we're going to go to as soon as it opens, but I'm pretty sure it will be smaller/less awesome. But more convenient than the Rheinland.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 01-15-15 8:18 AM
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I can't (or won't) do heights either. I get queasy look down from heights in Minecraft.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-15-15 8:22 AM
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If I'm plausibly safe (railings, handholds, or in this case harness), heights don't bother me at all, but e.g. walking atop even a medium high wall (say 10'+) gives me weak knees. At the Kletterwald, there's a jump called the Grand Canyon, maybe 40' high. You're wearing a harness attached to a counterweight (spring? whatever), so it's utterly safe. Iris jumped right off and then got in line to do it again. I had to stand at the edge for 2-3 minutes psyching myself up. And this is after 2 hours of zip lines, rope walks, etc. that fazed me not at all. But this... too much.

Coolest thing I've ever done for work was to do the site visits for the reconstruction of the smokestack at the Cork Factory in the Strip - 225' high, walking up scaffolding to the top. Unbelievable views, cool job, and basically not nerve-wracking. But scaffolding gives lots of handholds.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 01-15-15 8:41 AM
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Chicago seems to be the most not-a-Mecca of all not-climbing Meccas

This is true. I've lived most of my life in Illinois, and everything I know about climbing a sheer cliff face, I learned from watching The Princess Bride.


Posted by: Todd | Link to this comment | 01-15-15 8:44 AM
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Even when I was a kid, I could barely make myself jump from the high board. I never enjoyed it, but if everybody else did it, I could make myself.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-15-15 8:50 AM
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We now have an indoor climbing wall. It's in the same building at the fencing classes and the co-op.

Good Lord. Fencing classes? Co-op? Next thing you'll be telling me there's no steel industry anymore.


Posted by: bill | Link to this comment | 01-15-15 8:50 AM
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Even when I was a kid, I could barely make myself jump from the high board.

Related: after watching the aforementioned movie about K2, Netflix recommended this biopic about an "extreme" skier who died in 2009. I watched a bit of it, and it seems like the guy's life could be reasonably summarized; "He really really liked to jump off of things". He starts out jumping off the roof of his house into snowbanks as a kid, then off of cliffs into rivers, then bungee jumping off bridges then base jumping off buildings then "parachute ski jumping" off mountains. Then he gets killed.


Posted by: AcademicLurker | Link to this comment | 01-15-15 8:59 AM
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Next thing you'll be telling me there's no steel industry anymore.

Well, the region's largest employer is still in the big Cor-Ten steel building downtown...


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 01-15-15 9:01 AM
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I did climb onto the roof of my house from a snowbank. It turns out that hearing clomping from the roof is a good way to get your dad out to play in the snow.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-15-15 9:03 AM
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I did lots of rappelling in Ohio as a teenager; like football, it was something I got out of my system.


Posted by: idp | Link to this comment | 01-15-15 9:05 AM
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31: This is very familiar. I really like heights and climbing, but jumping off things is terrifying. When I was maybe 12, I did a weeklong Outward Bound trip, with a ropes course -- maybe 40 feet up? I don't remember. Loved the course, balance beams, zip line, cargo nets, all lots of fun and not frightening at all. But the last part of the course was a 40 foot swing -- stand on a platform 40 feet up, clip on to a cable attached to a tree branch 40 feet away, and jump off, so you end up swinging down and ultimately hanging just above ground level. I could not jump off, and ended up climbing all the way back through the ropes course down to the ground. Sort of a peak moment, embarrassment-wise.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 01-15-15 9:12 AM
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To tie the subthreads together: I saw one of those ropes courses outside Dusseldorf a couple of years ago, and it looked like a lot of fun. The other thing we saw around there was an old factory, comprising several just gigantic buildings, that had been converted into something like an adventureland/hangout/concert hall. It was such a cool use of the buildings and space.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 01-15-15 9:12 AM
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To tie all the subthreads together, one of the things you could do at the old factory was take the attached stairs to the top of one of the buildings. Uh, no way, man.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 01-15-15 9:14 AM
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41.last: totally would have done that.

The Germans have been much more effective/inventive at reuse of their old industrial structures. There are myriad reasons, but it basically comes down to all the things that are wrong with America. So we have malls where the mills were. Hurray.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 01-15-15 9:18 AM
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Indeed. A couple of the people we were hanging with were (German) architects, and the projects they told us about, reclaiming old industrial spaces, sounded amazing, and like nothing that would ever happen here.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 01-15-15 9:19 AM
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43: I guess there's the High Line in NYC. Not quite a factory, but the same general idea.


Posted by: AcademicLurker | Link to this comment | 01-15-15 9:22 AM
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Among these dark Satanic Malls


Posted by: idp | Link to this comment | 01-15-15 9:23 AM
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I think maybe the indoor climbing wall/fencing/co-op place would be considered an old industrial space. Or maybe just a warehouse.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-15-15 9:25 AM
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I had disabled it remotely, so I think the person who picked it up must have fiddled with it a bit, seen there were no books on it, and dumped it for the good samaritan to find.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 01-15-15 9:27 AM
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This is the way the world ends
Not with a bang but a Dave and Buster's.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 01-15-15 9:29 AM
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46: Small-scale industrial reuse happens all the time, and we've long been able to turn gorgeous old brick factories into lofts. What I'm talking about are the giant steel mill buildings that almost never get turned to another use. They sit empty, they get torn down, or they find another industrial use.

Granted, Pittsburgh does have movie studios in some buildings of this description, although it's not remotely as interesting as what the Germans have done.

Sigh.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 01-15-15 9:49 AM
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That reminds me. I really should go see Carrie Furnace sometime. It wouldn't even require crossing a river.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-15-15 9:54 AM
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Sigh. Some friends and I snuck in back when it was closed to the public. There was snow on the ground, and it was amazingly picturesque. Indeed, I took many pictures, with the digital camera from work. On Monday, the graphic designer (who was in charge of the camera) deleted the photos without asking.

Over Carrie Furnace? I'll never get over Carrie Furnace.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 01-15-15 10:01 AM
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We do have a climbing wall in our yard. The challenge is over once you're about 4 years old though.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 01-15-15 10:01 AM
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I am relieved that they're going to keep the deer head. Part of my sorrow at the lost pics was that I was sure they'd get rid of that (and the other art things) when they opened it for tours, but, to its great credit, Rivers of Steel has recognized that the guerrilla art is part of the story, too.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 01-15-15 10:04 AM
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46: Small-scale industrial reuse happens all the time, and we've long been able to turn gorgeous old brick factories into lofts. What I'm talking about are the giant steel mill buildings that almost never get turned to another use. They sit empty, they get torn down, or they find another industrial use.

One of the best indoor climbing walls in the UK is a repurposed steel mill in Sheffield.


Posted by: Ginger Yellow | Link to this comment | 01-15-15 10:09 AM
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Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 01-15-15 11:59 AM
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If Germany wants to repurpose Florida for some better use I'm sure we could negotiate something.


Posted by: Buttercup | Link to this comment | 01-16-15 2:30 AM
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