Re: Dale Chung, Sore Loser

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High school basketball games have 10 minute quarters, right? 160 points is two baskets a minute. If the other side had held the ball until the ref called whatever it is refs call when you just hold the ball, I think they could have held them to 140.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-17-15 8:43 AM
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I stopped reading the linked article after "girls."


Posted by: Todd | Link to this comment | 01-17-15 8:48 AM
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No one ever suspended my high school quizbowl coach when we did that sort of thing, even if it was embarrassing all around.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 01-17-15 8:56 AM
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AIMHMHBMHBMHB, we played a soccer game in high school against this team in Jacksonville who beat us 10-0 in the first ten minutes. There was a mercy rule.

We all piled on the bus, super hyper because we'd barely run around before getting creamed. I declared that we should return to our school and tell everyone that we'd beaten them 5-0, or something. We thought it was so self-evidently ludicrous that it would be a good prank.

People believed it, because no one thinks very hard about these things. Then obviously someone told the truth within the first day of the prank, because 30 girls are not going to keep such a stupid secret which was not even exactly a secret for very long.

Then it became some weird scandal where I was deemed the evil manipulator who was actually trying to falsify team record, and I got a stern lecture, which I found bewildering.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 01-17-15 8:59 AM
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Anybody would be a bit bewildered if their backside got a lecture.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-17-15 9:02 AM
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When I was in college, I mentioned that a bunch of us went to a truck stop for breakfast after staying up all night finishing work for the end of the semester. This resulted in my uncle giving me a lecture about why I shouldn't visit prostitutes because apparently truck stops sometimes have prostitutes.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-17-15 9:05 AM
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My only reaction to this is that watching a game that ended 161-2 would be so unutterably boring that I can't believe the spectators didn't cry "Hold, enough!" after the first quarter.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 01-17-15 9:14 AM
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apparently truck stops sometimes have prostitutes.

If they're anything like the ones here, they also have cheap but satisfying breakfasts.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 01-17-15 9:16 AM
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On the OP, I wonder if the losing players weren't trying to lose. Maybe to get the coach fired.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-17-15 9:16 AM
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8: Yes. And are open at 5am.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-17-15 9:19 AM
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Parts left out of the OP>

But Bloomington coach Dale Chung says Arroyo Valley used a full-court press for the entire first half to lead 104-1 at halftime.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 01-17-15 9:48 AM
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OP writer would have pressed the whole game. 200-0 had to be within reach.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 01-17-15 9:53 AM
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1) The winning team apparently played full-court press, steal and layup, for much of the game. Against that level of competition that wouldn't even be good practice.

2) Winning team could have played a four-corner stall (HS doesn't have shotclock?) or played only half the court, in other words play zero defense. Again, competition wouldn't be worth the effort of defense.

I think that is what I would have done. Keep one player at the end to inbound, leave one player at the middle, and make the offense play 3 on 5 and defense 2 on 5.
That is better practice.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 01-17-15 9:53 AM
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If the score is such a moral travesty then forfeit the game and get the hell off the court. What a joke.


Posted by: Disingenuous Bastard | Link to this comment | 01-17-15 9:53 AM
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a mercy rule

In little league, and again during my later-in-life redux of little league (law school softball), I always heard this referred to as a "slaughter rule." Probably because people who play baseball, like aspiring lawyers, are dangerous sociopaths.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 01-17-15 10:02 AM
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In another article on this topic, a coach in a similar winning situation said he'd been cautioned because his players weren't trying hard enough. Also, winning coach is black. COINCIDENCE?


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 01-17-15 10:04 AM
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I've always thought of mercy rules being mercy on the spectators. Because I'm a bad person.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 01-17-15 10:06 AM
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The losing coach was probably black too.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-17-15 10:07 AM
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Dale Chung? I guess it's possible.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 01-17-15 10:10 AM
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I don't know anybody with that name who isn't black.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-17-15 10:24 AM
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That is "Dale Chung." I know many people named Chung who aren't black, but Bayes Rule says I have to consider all information.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-17-15 10:26 AM
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At first I thought the coach was suspended because he'd failed to get a shutout.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 01-17-15 10:37 AM
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I wonder if the other team got two points from a field goal or two free throws.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-17-15 10:39 AM
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Since it was 104-1 at halftime, I'll let you do the math.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 01-17-15 10:43 AM
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It's nice that there wasn't a half with no scoring by either team.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-17-15 10:44 AM
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How'd they get those extra points without touchdowns?


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 01-17-15 10:46 AM
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26: They got half a safety in the first half, and then bogeyed a hole in the second half.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 01-17-15 10:49 AM
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Anyway, leaving aside what the other coach did, losing two games by 90+ points is a pretty good indication that you should not coach.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-17-15 11:00 AM
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This is probably the fault of whatever league organizes the contests, it's their job to ensure team levels are at least on the same planet. A hockey league I occasionally play in sometimes doesn't bother keeping leagues somewhat level and it results is blowouts and accompanying fights. If this had happened in my league someone would have shit in someone else's glove.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 01-17-15 11:23 AM
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Everywhere I've been, high school leagues are organized around distance and size of the school. I don't know what else they could do.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-17-15 11:46 AM
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Heebie is an evil manipulator. I did not know that.

Many leagues have a mercy rule. if there isn't one you should just pretend there is. Even the psycho Woody Hayes coach of my son's team, the team with the lawsuits, put in the subs when we were ahead 20-0 in the second quarter.

Kid sports isn't Vince Lombardi Winning is the Only Thing sports. It's supposed to be about education, etc. And even in the pros there are complaints about running up the score. And these HS kids weren't bloodyminded high-testosterone millionaires.


Posted by: John Emerson | Link to this comment | 01-17-15 12:11 PM
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even in the pros there are complaints about running up the score

Also completely shameful.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 01-17-15 12:36 PM
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People are so weirdly moralistic about sportsball.

I assume the two points on the other side were free throws. The other team was even bad at drawing fouls.


Posted by: Yawnoc | Link to this comment | 01-17-15 1:12 PM
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Also, winning coach is black.

Turns out if you're a black police chief and get shot going into the home of white survivalist who phoned in a bomb threat to a school in it might just be part of the job to get shot.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 01-17-15 1:18 PM
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I'm surprised there wasn't a mercy rule.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 01-17-15 1:24 PM
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That's only when the cops are white.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-17-15 1:24 PM
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The clock did run without stopping in the 4th quarter. Apparently the winning coach asked for that in the 3rd but the officials declined to do it.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 01-17-15 1:29 PM
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Probably didn't want the concession stand to lose sales.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-17-15 1:43 PM
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More seriously, changing the rules like that seems like a bigger deviation from established practice than just deciding to create a 'game ends when one side is up by 50' rule.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-17-15 1:46 PM
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39: PA high school football does that in the 2nd half when the margin gets past a certain amount.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 01-17-15 1:57 PM
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Posted by: knecht ruprecht | Link to this comment | 01-17-15 2:05 PM
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40: Did not know that.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-17-15 2:10 PM
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32 gets it right. Take your one-sided loss like a man.
13 also get s it right. There are more creative ways to humiliate the other team, including ones that could result in useful practice for both teams.
It's supposed to be about education, etc.
I'm confidant that everyone involved learned a little something.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 01-17-15 2:23 PM
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That level of mismatch between teams seems like exactly the place for the losing team to adopt a 'turn the other cheek' strategy. I mean, losing be a lot is embarrassing, and losing by a massive amount is massively embarrassing. But if the score ends up being like 423-2 then I think it has moved far enough into the absurd that there's really nothing embarrassing there anymore. If anything the winning team would feel like they were being mocked.


Posted by: MHPH | Link to this comment | 01-17-15 4:03 PM
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I actually don't even understand how it's possible for two teams (in the same league, so at least in the same universe of age, competitiveness, etc) to play and for one to get only 2 points. I feel like if my high school team played the Houston Rockets they'd get more than 2 points.


Posted by: Tim "Ripper" Owens | Link to this comment | 01-17-15 4:32 PM
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41. Sure. As long as it is reasonably reachable by Metro I can make it. What neighborhood are you staying in?


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 01-17-15 6:49 PM
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46: Dupont Circle.


Posted by: knecht ruprecht | Link to this comment | 01-17-15 7:31 PM
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45: I think we've had this discussion before, but given the disparities between people playing sports at different levels, if the Houston Rockets played hard, your high school team, unless it had a future Division I star on the roster, almost certainly wouldn't come close to scoring a point. In fact, I doubt your high school team would advance the ball over mid-court more than a few times.


Posted by: Von Wafer | Link to this comment | 01-17-15 8:03 PM
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I'd pay to see that.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 01-17-15 8:26 PM
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48: OK, with the Rockets, maybe. But let's say it was the Seventy-Sixers.


Posted by: knecht ruprecht | Link to this comment | 01-17-15 8:46 PM
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Me too. Regardless, I think people generally underestimate how much better professional athletes are at sports than even very good amateurs. I think I've told the story of trying to walk on to the basketball team at my undergraduate institution (a Big 10 school, but at that point absolutely awful at every revenue sport). I had played back-up point guard in high school on an okay team in a very good league. I was reasonably good but certainly not great. Anyway, at the tryouts, I happened to catch fire. I literally couldn't miss and was playing stifling defense against farm boys from the upper Midwest. As this was going on, the assistant coaches, who were watching from scissor lifts, kept rejiggering the teams and winnowing down the number of people playing. Finally, I made it to what I think was the second or third to last cut. At that point, I found myself being guarded by a bench-warmer on the varsity. Literally every time I tried to advance the ball, he took it from me. I couldn't move an inch. It was hilarious and instructive. And he wasn't all that good! I am 100% certain that if he tried to play against the worst player on the Houston Rockets, that person (Nick Johnson?) would make him look as bad as he made me look (probably worse, actually). Professional athletes aren't human.


Posted by: Von Wafer | Link to this comment | 01-17-15 8:47 PM
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I actually don't even understand how it's possible for two teams (in the same league, so at least in the same universe of age, competitiveness, etc) to play and for one to get only 2 points. I feel like if my high school team played the Houston Rockets they'd get more than 2 points.

When I was in high school, the girls' basketball team was good enough one year that they won a couple of games by 90+ point margins and blew out pretty much everyone they played, until folding inexplicably in the state tournament. This was in a generally competitive league of schools with enrollments in the 1000+ range.


Posted by: DaveLHI | Link to this comment | 01-17-15 8:49 PM
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FWIW, Ping Pong, 2014 anime series, besides being a magnificent tight work of art by one of the best ever directors, Yuasa, and written and supervised by professional players, is exactly about the huge differences between 1) desire, 2) effort, 3) training and skill, 4) talent, and 5) genius. "Wellll, fuck, you just gotta say" Warm, funny, arty as fuck, kinda terrifying. 8.68 of 10, #44 rank of thousands at myanimelist. Really fucking good. Highly recommended, the best of anime. 11 24m episodes, do it in a night

It also showed how the best schools attracted the best players gaining resources who competed against each other and wiped out all the other schools.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 01-17-15 10:00 PM
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Both high schools I went to had one guy on the varsity (when I was there) who went in to the NBA, with one of those guys having a pretty decent NBA career. So I think they could have knocked off more than 1 basket in a game, especially once it became total garbage time. Between two girl's high school team, a ridiculous blowout's not a surprise; it's the failure to get off a single shot.


Posted by: Tim "Ripper" Owens | Link to this comment | 01-17-15 10:09 PM
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I went to a very small high school. The starting quarterback was also the starting safety and the high scorer in most basketball games and one of the best runners at track.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-17-15 10:15 PM
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And umm, chess rankings are not geometric, they are logarithmic. Or sumpin.

A 2400 can beat 50 2000s in simultaneous blindfolded games.

And Kasparov or Anand or the Scandy kid would make a laughing stock of a 2400.

The more you understand a discipline, the weirder the best look from your position. I read a lot of young GM's dying of frustration. Topalov.

Sometimes it's just "I'm tenth best in the world, how do I become champ. What can I do?"

"Sorry."

Ping Pong is about that sorry.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 01-17-15 10:16 PM
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"Bangkok, Oriental setting.
And the city don't know what the city is getting."


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-17-15 10:31 PM
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41: I'd be interested in a meetup in DC, but only 50% chance I'll actually be able to make it, due to hideous approaching deadline at work!


Posted by: torrey pine | Link to this comment | 01-17-15 11:25 PM
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I'll be in DC in a few weeks so I anticipate proposing another meet up.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 01-18-15 7:43 AM
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48: [HS team playing Houston hypothetical] In fact, I doubt your high school team would advance the ball over mid-court more than a few times.

In fact, in the game in question apparently the losing team only advanced the ball over mid-court a few times in the first half against the press.

Other items gleaned from local reports. It was a non-league game. Coaches had known each for a while and winning coach had told Chung that he was going to use the full-court press for the first 3 quarters.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 01-18-15 7:55 AM
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I'll try to make a Wednesday meetup but we're in the middle of grant writing so I may not be able to.


Posted by: togolosh | Link to this comment | 01-18-15 8:02 AM
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In pause/play news, I just broke up with she of the epic 40 hour date. She is not taking it well. I'm trying to be as nice about it as I can, but she seems want a bit of a fight. Hopefully it will be cathartic. She's a really nice lady, just not the one for me.
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Posted by: togolosh | Link to this comment | 01-18-15 8:04 AM
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Probably a serial killer.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-18-15 8:08 AM
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winning coach had told Chung that he was going to use the full-court press for the first 3 quarters

Then he lied about that.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-18-15 8:09 AM
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41: I'm around, happy to meet wherever is convenient for most people.

59: Do, certainly.

62: Yikes, was going to ask how that was going. Maybe you can manage to be a bit of a jerk to make her feel better. I hate when someone spoils for a fight.


Posted by: ydnew | Link to this comment | 01-18-15 8:11 AM
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62: Maybe it was her birthday. You break up with someone on their birthday—even inadvertently—and people will talk.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 01-18-15 8:26 AM
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You should always break up with people on your own birthday, thus implying the break up is your gift to yourself.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-18-15 8:28 AM
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"This helps me more than it hurts you."


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 01-18-15 8:30 AM
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...and I'm a very strict utilitarian.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-18-15 8:34 AM
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(a) It is unfortunate when a jeweler who formerly made really neat things now makes only fairly boring things.

(b) I successfully re-identified a jeweler using only the knowledge that she's based in a shared studio space in SF and a memory of one of her earring designs.

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Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 01-18-15 8:36 AM
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And I just watched Gone Girl last night.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 01-18-15 8:53 AM
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You should always break up with people on your own birthday, thus implying the break up is your gift to yourself.

But after you have unwrapped their gift to you, in case you want to keep it.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 01-18-15 9:16 AM
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and after you have verified that they didn't make you a cake or organize a surprise party for you at their house. The cake because then you wouldn't get any, and the party because, awkward.


Posted by: E. Messily | Link to this comment | 01-18-15 9:18 AM
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The cake because then you wouldn't get any

If you're breaking up with someone who brought you presents on your birthday, you deserve not to get any.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 01-18-15 9:27 AM
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You break up with someone on their birthday--even inadvertently--and people will talk.

How do you inadvertently break up with someone?


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 01-18-15 9:46 AM
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"Inadvertently" goes with "on their birthday". Though really, how do you inadvertently break up with someone on their birthday?


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 01-18-15 10:00 AM
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I was almost broken up with both the day before and the day after my birthday last year.

You know, in many respects, that wasn't the best relationship.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 01-18-15 10:03 AM
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29: My god, the glove shit story!


Posted by: Nworb Werdna | Link to this comment | 01-18-15 10:05 AM
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"Inadvertently" goes with "on their birthday".

The hell you say.

I've never been broken up with on my birthday, but I have been canned on it.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 01-18-15 10:53 AM
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Re: recent queries about poor service, I'm at a brunch where we waited 1.5 h for drinks and still haven't gotten food (almost 2 h now). We have requested rescue from both a competent waitress and the bar, which got drinks delivered. Still not going to dock tip, but "unlimited" drinks seems like a cruel joke at this point. Poor waitress looks overwhelmed and on the brink of tears. All her tables are in the same boat


Posted by: ydnew | Link to this comment | 01-18-15 12:13 PM
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80: That's the point at which you walk out.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 01-18-15 12:14 PM
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With a group of 14? Just got food AND waitress refused to get a manager. However., weall get free shots and mimosas topped off with champagne. I think the rest of staff just took pity. We got food, but three people's orders were left off. They just watched the rest of us eat. It's not normally like this here; it's just this one section.


Posted by: ydnew | Link to this comment | 01-18-15 12:37 PM
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And she undercounted free shots by 2! Wow.


Posted by: ydnew | Link to this comment | 01-18-15 12:42 PM
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Maybe she figured those two were anti-vaxxers.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 01-18-15 12:48 PM
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Clearly there needs to be a mercy rule for incompetent wait staff.


Posted by: knecht ruprecht | Link to this comment | 01-18-15 12:49 PM
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At that point, I'd insist on talking to the manager and calmly explaining the expectation that the entire meal be free, or at the very least, heavily discounted.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 01-18-15 12:53 PM
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I think the longest I've ever been kept waiting for food was an hour and a half, at which point we walked out.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 01-18-15 12:58 PM
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Have been refused a manager by two waitresses now! At any rate, everybody got food, table is splitting checks, and we're trying not to stiff busboys. Just handed a rescue waitress a tip for her extra effort. If it were a smaller party, we probably would have gone elsewhere, but reseating a group of 14 for Sunday brunch would have been nearly impossible. Nobody died. Everybody got fed. Could have been worse.

85: Or a slaughter rule.


Posted by: ydnew | Link to this comment | 01-18-15 1:05 PM
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I'm lobbying for Zaytinya, since it is halfway between Metro Center and Gallery Place, so nobody has to change trains.


Posted by: togolosh | Link to this comment | 01-18-15 1:10 PM
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Let me be the first to suggest not where ydnew had brunch today.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-18-15 1:19 PM
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I had chicken and peroigi covered with gravy. It was delicious.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-18-15 1:20 PM
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That no one died is a pretty forgiving standard. Mafia Cafe -- pay us and we won't kill you. We might even give you something to eat. Eventually. If we get around to it.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 01-18-15 1:36 PM
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89: Good call. I like Zaytinya.
We've paid (45 min to run credit cards) and left. 3h 15 min total.


Posted by: ydnew | Link to this comment | 01-18-15 1:41 PM
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(45 min to run credit cards)

Cripes.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 01-18-15 1:54 PM
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BG's story was also about brunch. I am sensing a pattern here.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 01-18-15 2:21 PM
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Theories about what happened in the kitchen that brought service to a halt for 2+ hours? Did the waitress break up with the expediter?


Posted by: Yawnoc | Link to this comment | 01-18-15 2:35 PM
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Yeah, there's probably a brunch more of these stories.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 01-18-15 2:37 PM
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96: If it were dinner service, I'd have gone with "cocaine".


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 01-18-15 2:37 PM
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I'm thinking the waitresses refused to fetch the manager because "believe me, they know," but if the manager were any good they would be hitting all those tables without prompting around the 90 minute mark.


Posted by: Yawnoc | Link to this comment | 01-18-15 2:58 PM
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98: You don't think they incorporate Saturday's leftover dinner cocaine into the Sunday brunch specials?


Posted by: Yawnoc | Link to this comment | 01-18-15 2:59 PM
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I'm out of town, will be getting back Wednesday eve. Joining late would be possible, but I'm afraid not likely. I'll check on that night. Hopefully next time.


Posted by: lw | Link to this comment | 01-18-15 2:59 PM
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The time I had a wait that long, the waiter had forgotten to put the order in to the kitchen during the first hour.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 01-18-15 3:01 PM
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99: If the manager were any good they wouldn't have left their restaurant so understaffed during a period of peak demand in the first place.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 01-18-15 3:10 PM
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Zaytinya works for me.

Off to the Tombs to watch the Patriots. It'll be a yucky walk across Key bridge first.


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 01-18-15 3:20 PM
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103: That would make him a great X's and O's manager, but what would that mean ethically?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-18-15 3:40 PM
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There's no shame in running up the score on brunch.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 01-18-15 3:46 PM
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Amen.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 01-18-15 4:00 PM
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Everything will seem fine until the first Hollandaise sauce drowning.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-18-15 4:03 PM
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<insert football comments from other thread here>


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 01-18-15 5:22 PM
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101: If it works out, would be happy to have you. Otherwise, see you next time. (I guess with SP?)

Sounds like Zaytinya it is. Maybe four? I can make a reservation and we can add as needed. Looks like 5:45 and 7:30 are available. Should we request a note on the front page for folks who might not have been following buried comments?


Posted by: ydnew | Link to this comment | 01-18-15 7:41 PM
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I don't know the score if the current game because the tv is too far away.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-18-15 7:57 PM
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45-7. You don't even own an internet?


Posted by: ydnew | Link to this comment | 01-18-15 7:59 PM
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|| Maybe I'm just missing it, but surely there should be some sort of meaningful rating system for YouTube videos. You can't really tall if the sound, or the video, is going to be any good at all until you actually play the thing. Here's what I'd like: separate ratings from 1-10 on sound and video quality, with a override button to play anything under 6 on either. Come on, won't this a lot better than self-driving cars, as a demonstration that AI is worth doing? |>


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 01-18-15 8:20 PM
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That technology hasn't filtered to the "legal" video world yet, but there are some torrent applications that do a really impressive job of it.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 01-18-15 8:31 PM
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Lots of videos of people talking about making light weight hiking gear or cob houses, but most are useless.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-18-15 9:48 PM
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110: The later is better for me but I'll gladly roll in late if we need to go with the earlier one.

I think a front page note might be good. Let's send up the Heebie Signal.


Posted by: togolosh | Link to this comment | 01-19-15 9:04 AM
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116: Was going to e-mail heebie shortly. Reservation is for 7:30, under my real name since I'm not making an OpenTable account for Mutumbo. I imagine they can easily add folks on.


Posted by: ydnew | Link to this comment | 01-19-15 9:20 AM
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