Re: Ebay, Skirts

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I bought some amazing brown corduroy fabric with neon colored plaid dinosaurs all over it that I think I'm going to make into a skirt for myself. I was hoping for a dress, but I don't have enough. I'm trying to wear more skirts since I don't wear shorts.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 8:06 AM
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I'm thinking of trying not to wear khakis nearly 100% of the time, if that's the same thing.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 8:09 AM
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I suppose it would be more the same thing if I were thinking of getting a utility kilt, but I'm not. I'm comfortable with my genderedness.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 8:19 AM
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Skirts are so cool in summer, though. You're not going to link to the one you are bidding on?


Posted by: ydnew | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 8:23 AM
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4: heebie doesn't trust Moby.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 8:27 AM
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I could - none of you would be jerks and drive up the price, right? I suppose I could just stick you with it.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 8:28 AM
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5: Maybe it's a khaki skirt and she's safe.


Posted by: ydnew | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 8:29 AM
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I got a really nice pair of shoes on ebay once.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 8:29 AM
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6: I like it! That will be really easy to pair with tops and isn't very girly.


Posted by: ydnew | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 8:30 AM
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The main reason I want it is that I bought a pair of very witchy Mary Janes, and I really want to wear them together, with a cardigan and tights.

I forgot all about summer skirts. Those are even more problematic, because I'm neurotic about my legs touching each other.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 8:31 AM
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heebie, I love it!


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 8:31 AM
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8: Don't tell me...


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 8:31 AM
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6: I know it would be wrong, but I just think it would look better on me...


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 8:32 AM
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Don't take this the wrong way, but I'm stunned that anyone still uses ebay. Genuine question: why?

I haven't even thought about using ebay in at more than a decade. I thought it was basically still hanging around for the same reason AOL is still hanging around--because it gained universal prominence in the early dotcom years and so some number of unsophisticated, mostly elderly consumers still used it. But you're not an unsophisticated, elderly consumer, so I must be missing something.


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 8:35 AM
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My wife owns a bunch of skirts and never wears them. I wonder how common this is. Is there a certain type of skirt that appeals to women who never wear skirts, so almost every one that gets purchased is never used?


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 8:36 AM
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Those are even more problematic, because I'm neurotic about my legs touching each other.

I feel you.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 8:38 AM
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Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 8:38 AM
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I haven't even thought about using ebay in at more than a decade. I thought it was basically still hanging around for the same reason AOL is still hanging around--because it gained universal prominence in the early dotcom years and so some number of unsophisticated, mostly elderly consumers still used it. But you're not an unsophisticated, elderly consumer, so I must be missing something.

This seems like... the opposite of reality in every detail? I don't know where to begin.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 8:38 AM
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One of my nieces refuses to wear pants or shorts: only dresses or skirts. Her mom was the same way, so she's not unsympathetic.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 8:44 AM
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What about skorts?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 8:45 AM
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Did Ned just call heebie elderly and unsophisticated?


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 8:51 AM
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I don't know if skirts code particularly feminine to me.* Maybe because I associate skirts just as much with indie/punk/alternative types, and with ass-kicking-old-lady-academic types, as much as with teh 'girly'.

* I mean, other than the whole Scottish thing.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 8:51 AM
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very witchy Mary Janes, and I really want to wear them together, with a cardigan and tights.

Yes. This is why I love skirts.


Posted by: Just Plain Jane | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 8:57 AM
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http://youtu.be/gK8T6p2vgNM

Accessorize as desired.


Posted by: biohazard | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 9:09 AM
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Maybe because I associate skirts just as much with indie/punk/alternative types, and with ass-kicking-old-lady-academic types, as much as with teh 'girly'.

I'm using feminine as the opposite of butch. None of those are particularly butch.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 9:12 AM
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Not that I am, either, though. Just sort of in the middle.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 9:12 AM
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22: Yeah, it's funny how differently people split up gender signifiers. I think of myself as not terribly feminine, mostly on all the complicated grooming stuff like keeping my hair combed and so on. But particularly in the summer, I live in dresses.

Actually, my skirt/pants decisionmaking is almost completely weather driven. I hate tights, and I hate figuring out shoes that are compatible both with skirts and with bad weather. So I mostly don't wear skirts from October through April. If it's warm enough for a dress/no tights/sandals, though, there's no reason to ever wear anything else. One visible garment, nothing to worry about matching or coordinating? Sign me up.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 9:15 AM
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Urple, what are you using instead of eBay? (Don't worry--I won't tell the rest of the people in the retirement home about it.)


Posted by: MAE | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 9:18 AM
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Those are even more problematic, because I'm neurotic about my legs touching each other.

This may be TMI/girly-stuff, but I didn't wear skirts for years, even though I liked them in theory, because of the dreaded thigh-chafing. I didn't want/need to wear spanx everywhere either (they're good for some things, like super-fitted dresses, but sometimes the compression is just not necessary, especially when working 18-hour days). Then I discovered that jockey makes the equivalent of girl-boxer briefs called slip-shorts, and they've changed my life. They're like spanx but without any of the uncomfortable compression. They've changed my life. I wear skirts all the time now.

In the winter I wear tights, but when summer rolls around, these are my go-to option.


Posted by: sam | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 9:22 AM
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Don't all the fashionable litigators wear power suits?


Posted by: AcademicLurker | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 9:24 AM
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30 to 27.


Posted by: AcademicLurker | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 9:24 AM
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29: Link? I'd try something like that.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 9:26 AM
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The fashionable litigators don't work for the state. For suits, I'm either in a pants suit with some kind of stretchy knit top, or in the summers I have a couple of sheath-dress with a jacket over it suits that I'm very fond of (and that I tend to wear with sandals and no tights under the assumption that the judge's angle means they're mostly not going to see my feet).

I did have a bad moment when I realized that my good gray dress/jacket suit is from when I was a summer associate, so it's seventeen years old now. I should probably retire it before it becomes eligible to vote.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 9:28 AM
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18: and so some number of unsophisticated, mostly elderly consumers still used it

Some days I feel completely elderly. But Thorn with the corduroy/dinosaur fabric keeps me young at heart.


Posted by: bill | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 9:29 AM
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28: depending on what I might want to buy, either amazon or etsy, mostly. (I've never actually used etsy, but it has taken the place of ebay for unique or vintage things for everyone I know who might once have bought those things on ebay. And amazon sells some of those plus everything else.)


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 9:31 AM
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I hate figuring out shoes that are compatible both with skirts and with bad weather

I get around this by wearing oxfords with skirts year-round.

I wear almost exclusively skirts to work (sometimes dresses) because I can't be bothered to have the amount of tailoring done that dress pants would require for me. And if I'm going to have another kid any time in the next few years, that could potentially send the wool pants + loads of tailoring expense right down the drain, if I change size/shape more permanently.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 9:32 AM
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it has taken the place of ebay for unique or vintage things for everyone I know who might once have bought those things on ebay

Ebay is still better for designer clothes and accessories. Also for used baby clothes. I get most of my bras and quite a few shoes on eBay.


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37 me.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 9:34 AM
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As for skirts, as a guy in a Southern climate, I remain jealous that women can wear skirts to a relatively formal job. It's actually not a huge problem for me any more, since in the summer I can bike to work and shower and change when I get there, but for the first few years in DC getting around mainly by public transportation in the summer while wearing slacks was miserable.

As for Ebay, I think I've only used it once, but that was less than two years ago. I rarely seek out secondhand stuff, but when I was looking for a specific out-of-print book, it was much better than Amazon.


Posted by: Cyrus | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 9:36 AM
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37: I've bought work clothes on Ebay. I do kind of wonder -- New With Tags clothes on Ebay: are they all stolen, or how does that work? Hopefully, it's stores getting rid of overstock, but I keep on thinking I'm probably buying from career criminals.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 9:38 AM
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I wear some skirts in summer, less in the winter. I like dresses better, because you don't have as much bunching, and I have one fewer pieces of clothing that I need o pick out.

37: Blume, do you bid on bras or do you shop at "Buy Now" stores.

I love Petit Bateau children's clothing. (My grandmother bought a bunch for me when I was a baby), but it's ridiculously expensive. If I ever have a kid, I would like to buy some used stuff there.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 9:39 AM
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As for skirts, as a guy in a Southern climate, I remain jealous that women can wear skirts to a relatively formal job.

When I was in the Peace Corps, the guys who'd spent two years wearing light cotton informal sarongs at home and tailored twill sarongs at work were so sad about going home and giving it up. Skirts really are great in the summer. I wonder if the skirts as conventional menswear line is ever going to break in the US.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 9:40 AM
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I don't really like shorts most of the time. A long time ago I had flowy linen pants that looked great wrinkledand were so cool and comfortable. I want another pair like that.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 9:41 AM
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39 -- Advice I never took while living in DC was a linen suit for summer.

The only Ebay purchases I've ever made were in the last 6 months. Sunglasses for me, snowboard boots for my son. New items, sold by retailers, I think. My son's ex-GF's parents, though, just bought a car on EBay, and have done several times in the past. Year or two old. They swear by it.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 9:42 AM
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My son's ex-GF's parents, though, just bought a car on EBay, and have done several times in the past. Year or two old. They swear by it.

Wow.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 9:47 AM
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I get around this by wearing oxfords with skirts year-round.

Trying to do this sort of thing leaves me puzzled and dissatisfied with my tights/socks options. I've got some boots I wear with skirts in intermediate weather, because they're tall enough that I don't have to deal with visible socks and I can skip tights.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 9:52 AM
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I've never felt long pants were a problem in summer heat, when I've lived in places with serious summer heat, except when sitting outside in direct sunlight. But I hate shirts with long-sleeves and collars, especially in the heat.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 9:54 AM
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Summer skirt envy is what made finally abandon all pretense of adulthood and start wearing shorts to work.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 9:54 AM
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Invisible socks. Technology is great.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 9:55 AM
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Do any men in Scotland wear kilts just for the hell of it on an ordinary day, as opposed to "I am wearing a specific type of formal dress"? I mean, still not much help in the summer, given that they're scratchy wool.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 9:56 AM
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My uninformed take on eBay substitutes is that 20-somethings use Craigslist for used-stuff shopping.


Posted by: DaveLMA | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 9:59 AM
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I wonder if the skirts as conventional menswear line is ever going to break in the US.

If it didn't happen in the 70s, it'll never happen.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 10:00 AM
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ie, when the weather was perfect.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 10:03 AM
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51: But Craigslist is just for local used stuff, right?


Posted by: MAE | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 10:10 AM
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I get around this by wearing oxfords with skirts year-round.

This look gets a thumbs-up from me.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 10:11 AM
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Yeah, I think I'm probably headed for oxfords-with-skirts territory. It would make me happy and that's a good thing. (It's probably not what Lee meant when she said I needed to have a better look, but too bad.)


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 10:13 AM
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54 -- The most recent car they bought was in SoCal. They flew down to get it.

I had a client who made his living buying used cars in one part of the country and selling them in another. 4WD pickups here to sell in Arizona, Porsches there to sell in Spokane, that sort of thing.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 10:15 AM
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As soon as I don't have a real job any more, I am going to make you all kinds of skirts. We'll find a pattern that works. OR DIE TRYING.


Posted by: E. Messily | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 10:15 AM
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58 to Heebie, but also whoever else wants a skirt.


Posted by: E. Messily | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 10:15 AM
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54: And luring people to Ohio to murder them.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 10:17 AM
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I like skirts because I decided I'm too old for shorts (although I have a couple of pairs I still wear) in the summer, and too old for crazy trousers in the winter. You can only get away with corduroy trousers with neon dinosaurs if you are 2. Make that fabric into a skirt, and that's completely acceptable.

I use eBay still, although charity shops have better bargains for nice skirts, and that's where I get most of mine.


Posted by: asilon | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 10:20 AM
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58: Deal.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 10:22 AM
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I sort of expected more people would be appalled by neon dinosaur corduroy skirts, but I guess if so they're politely silent on the subject. Actually dressing like Ms. Frizzle all the time is probably not a good course of action for me, but it's a little tempting.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 10:24 AM
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As long as the dinosaur skin is sustainably sourced, I don't see why anyone would complain.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 10:32 AM
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I think I have one pair of work trousers at the moment, I wear them maybe once a year? And falke merino tights are perfect for the "winter" in SF. Boots with socks, no tights, take care of much of the rest of the year, and for the appx 10 days annually of actual warm weather strappy sandals wooo hoooo! Have to have walking oxfords at hand (foot! Ha!), of course. Dress or skirt and blouse so so so much more comfortable, also vastly more likely to be in interesting color or print.


Posted by: dairy queen | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 10:34 AM
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17: Motherf*cker. I feel so inadequate that I can't even guess what effects he's using, if any. (I usually assume no effects, just like I assume people aren't on drugs and are organically crazy unless there's proof to the contrary, but this tends to be wrong.) Totally great, Ima watch it again right now.


Posted by: lurid keyaki | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 10:40 AM
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Cars on EBay are surprisingly (or maybe not surprisingly) not cheap IME. I've never bought one but have thought about it occasionally, but when I have there have almost always been cheaper options available for the same car on Autotrader. I've used EBay primarily for incredibly stupid indulgence purchases that I now regret (Polish movie posters, soviet-era watches, 1990s Dodgers Starter jacket come to mind).


Posted by: Tim "Ripper" Owens | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 10:44 AM
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T"R"O, how should I sell a car if I am content with bottom of blue book and also nervous about every single aspect of car negotiating, including selling?


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 10:53 AM
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Honestly? CarMax. You'll get a reasonably fair but not exactly great no-haggle price, paid in cash immediately. Couldn't be easier.


Posted by: T"R"O | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 10:56 AM
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Oooh, glad to hear you say that. That was my inclination, so getting that validated is great.

Back to skirts!


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 11:01 AM
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Mmmm Falke. I keep stroking Falke socks.

I was trying to explain to someone just this last weekend why it is worth spending £20+ on lovely Wolford tights and how they are SOOOO much better than tights from the supermarket. They didn't believe me (even though it is a FACT!).


Posted by: asilon | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 11:04 AM
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I buy maybe 50% of my clothing on ebay. Mostly because I decided not to buy clothing that's probably made in poor labor conditions, but I allow myself the loophole of buying used. If you're in the market for non-vintage, reasonably nice used clothing, I don't think anything really competes with ebay. There are a few recent start ups (ThredUp is the biggest that I know of), but ebay still has way more volume.

I know my size in about five brands, and restrict my buying to them.

Also buy some baby stuff on ebay, but generally the consignment stores around here are easier and you can actually see the condition of the clothing better. I wish something similar existed for adult clothing, but it doesn't, at least in my city.


Posted by: Sarabeth | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 11:12 AM
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Oh, hey, sort of on-topic. I just bought a car yesterday. It's the first time I've bought a car and I feel both proud and like it's a capitulation to normalcy.

I was incredibly nervous about the whole experience and, thankfully, was able to handle that by just drawing out the "looking and thinking about it" phase of the process for ages. Even with that actually completing the purchase was exhausting.

Also, I use e-bay all the time, mostly to buy CDs, which falls into the "old people who haven't moved on" category, and also bike stuff.


Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 11:13 AM
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Did you get a Charger?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 11:15 AM
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No, I did not.


Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 11:16 AM
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Please explain why not.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 11:19 AM
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I didn't realize there was going to be an essay question.


Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 11:23 AM
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There's a true/false option.

"Do you hate America?"


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 11:25 AM
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If you had realized that, would you have bought a Charger?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 11:25 AM
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A woman needs a skirt like a fish needs a tangible object, and that's a fact.


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 11:27 AM
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Apparently, I haven't made up a test in so long, I can't even write a proper true/false question.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 11:28 AM
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I do kind of wonder -- New With Tags clothes on Ebay: are they all stolen, or how does that work?

I wonder this sometimes too, and then I push those thoughts from my head.

+++++ on the love for Falke. Their fishnets are the perfect crossover of sturdiness and fineness of the net. (So they don't look too trashy. Though wearing your net tights with oxfords also effectively skews the look away from va va voom.)

Falke also makes great invisible socks, the kind that come up over your instep but not up onto the ankle at all. So you can wear socks with your oxfords in the summer and not have them visible at all.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 11:40 AM
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I found the slip shorts on Amazon, and there's also something called Pettipants, which is such a great word.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 11:41 AM
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37: Blume, do you bid on bras or do you shop at "Buy Now" stores.

Mostly the latter. There are several bra sellers who offer either bidding or BIN, but if you bid on the bras someone inevitably "wins" the bidding for $10 over the BIN price. So I know to treat those as BIN only.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 11:43 AM
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I've wondered that - is there any code of conduct about sellers creating fake buyers to drive up the price?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 11:50 AM
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85: Wouldn't that be a good way just to potentially lose a sale? I thought the way to ensure an item didn't sell for less than you wanted to sell it for was to create a reserve price.


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 11:55 AM
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Bid rigging is generally illegal/criminal, and I assume (without really knowing) that EBay both bans it formally and has various tracking mechanisms to identify suspects. And that it sometimes happens anyway, but probably not often.


Posted by: T"R"O | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 11:57 AM
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If only there were someone here who knew a lot about eBay's fraud detection and handling practices...


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 11:59 AM
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I thought the way to ensure an item didn't sell for less than you wanted to sell it for was to create a reserve price.

I haven't sold anything on eBay, but there are different prices for different listing features, and I think that may be more expensive. Having a reserve also drives some bidders away.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 12:02 PM
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You're using a sniper to bid on that skirt, heebie, right?


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 12:03 PM
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My first eBay purchase was my wedding gown. I'm pretty sure I won the Internet that day.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 12:05 PM
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Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 12:06 PM
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Bit of reverb and the guitar has extra mics to pick up the body percussion. I know him very slightly and have seen him play. He has much more terrifying stuff online where he retunes on the fly, while singing (he has a good voice).


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 12:08 PM
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I combined using eBay with local charity shops to buy furnishings and appliances when I moved back to the UK and had to start over from scratch. You can search for items that are geographically closest to you, and I found a fair number of decent bargains that way: table and chairs, bookshelves, tumble drier, and so on. I don't think I'd ever buy clothes from eBay, but that's partly because there are at least 10 charity shops within five minutes' walk of where I live, and I much prefer to try stuff on before buying.


Posted by: Ume | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 12:13 PM
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92: I saw that. It's pretty clear they crossed the line to evil by a wide margin.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 12:15 PM
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tumble drier

I heard those are bad for the environment.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 12:15 PM
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OT: I need something notarized. Do banks still do that for free if you have an account there?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 12:16 PM
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92. Yeah, that just killed me. So awful, for no reason at all.


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 12:17 PM
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I've convinced myself that fishnets showing between skirt/dress hem and boot tops are fine for days w/o client meetings or court appearances, and I think successfully as a couple of partners have occasionally sported this look over the past winter, although with not-quite-fishnet-fishnets.

Muji also sell an invisible sock device wearable with oxfords or plain canvas lace up shoes. And an affordable good quality face cleaning oil.


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88: Heh. Yes, "shill bidding" is totally against the site rules and you can get your account suspended for it. Besides people investigating complaints there's software doing things like looking for bids and listings coming from the same IP along with more sophisticated analyses. Possibles generated by the software go into a queue and they're then looked at by the fraud agents. Lexis/Nexis was hugely useful for linking up accounts by finding common addresses, relatives, etc.


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Anybody can make an affordable oil to clean a good quality face. It's the shitty ones that need expensive cleaning oils.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 12:25 PM
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97: My bank did it for me for free, recently.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 12:26 PM
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The generic cold cream at the drugstore is actually my preferred option.


Posted by: dairy queen | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 12:27 PM
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The name "cold cream" has always bothered me. It suggests the alternative is something punishingly hot.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 12:30 PM
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97: Don't know about banks. I've gotten stuff notarized at AAA.


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97: Even more recently a secretary here at work notarized a document for me for free. One of the lesser-known perks of working for a law firm!


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 12:43 PM
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Did you win, heebie? It looks like you won!


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 1:16 PM
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I haz skirt!


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 1:21 PM
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Heebie U students are so comically polite: "My apologies for walking out of class. I made some bad decisions last night and now I'm paying for them. Won't happen again."

I had assumed he was regular sick, until I got this email just now.

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Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 1:26 PM
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That is a nice shape (although it calls itself a-line. Is that right? I think of a-line, in a skirt, as something that, while it's wider at the base than at the waistline, not a pencil skirt, is narrow/stiff enough that it doesn't hang in folds. I'd call the linked skirt 'full', not 'a-line.' Anyway, I kind of hate a-line (my definitiion) skirts, but I like this one.)


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 1:26 PM
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I think you're right - A-line is those mod, above-the-knee 60s miniskirts. Ebay sellers have absolutely no idea that people attach standardized meaning to terms like "scoop neck" or anything.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 1:30 PM
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I found a notary, but I lost $5 for the Notary Fee and $5 a clerical fee.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 1:33 PM
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111: Or kind of dowdy (looking. To me. No one should value my fashion judgment or feel personally judged, you're all better dressed than I am) slightly-past knee length skirts that are either part of a suit or are made of a sort of suit-like fabric.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 1:36 PM
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I haz skirt!

Pics or it didn't happen.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 1:37 PM
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Boy, google images is no help on this one. "A-line skirt" gets you a broad enough range that it might as well be "skirt".


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 1:37 PM
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I think it qualifies as A line because it's not dirndl (gathered at the waist) or circle (much fuller), and of course not pleated. I find the most flattering A lines are fitted to the widest part of hips and then very slight flare from there, retro airline stewardess style. As challenging to pull off, from a figure perspective, as a pencil skirt but much better for walking, and when done well excellent aesthetically. Very difficult to find.


Posted by: dairy queen | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 1:37 PM
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Not that I have devoted inordinate mental resources to the classification of skirts or anything, oh no ...


Posted by: dairy queen | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 1:39 PM
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Besides general harasslement and blood-from-turnip-squeezing, here's an abuse in the DOJ report I hadn't heard of: entering people into the state "wanted" database, "indicating to all other law enforcement agencies that the person should be arrested if located", when they don't have probable cause for arrest - officers even explicitly described the system as an alternative for when they lack probable cause. (pp. 22-23)


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Is that what dirndl means precisely? It fits the image in my head (which is mostly "would this skirt look appropriate on a German milkmaid"), but I've never been sure.


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I always associated it with something that was related to milk.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 1:43 PM
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That's my understanding - unpleated or otherwise tacked-down gathers at the waistband. All this is ridiculously imprecise but at the moment helping stave off despair in light of the news.


Posted by: dairy queen | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 1:45 PM
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Uh-oh, what news?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 1:47 PM
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112: Are you saying that you were charged $10? Robbery!


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 1:47 PM
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Is my cat ok?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 1:47 PM
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123: What is the usual and customary fee?


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125: It looks like $5 is how much it is supposed to cost in Pennsylvania. The $5 clerical fee seems like a way of getting around that.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 1:55 PM
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I don't know. They had only blunt, bludgeoning weapons.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 1:58 PM
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entering people into the state "wanted" database, ... officers even explicitly described the system as an alternative for when they lack probable cause. (pp. 22-23)

That's horrible (and really not helping me decide if I should read the linked document -- because I will lean awful things that I didn't know, or if I shouldn't read it because I don't want to learn awful things).

Did you see this story?

To jail someone once for trespassing at their job is a miscarriage of justice. To do so repeatedly, over the objections of their employer, who owns the relevant store, is an absurdity. And this isn't something that happened just a few different times. It happened so often that the store owner finally complained to the police department.

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I think you're right - A-line is those mod, above-the-knee 60s miniskirts.

No, dairy queen is right-- it's a broader term than that. I wear the kind of a-line she is describing for all of my dressier work outfits, and yes, they are nearly impossible to find. But I can't wear a pencil skirt, so there's no other alternative.


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127 better not be to 124.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 2:07 PM
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I want to call dq's skirt 'flared' or 'tulip-shaped', and reserve 'a-line' for something literally trapezoidal in silhouette -- straight lines angling away from the body as you go down. But I'm probably just misusing the term.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 2:08 PM
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Goddamnit, Jammies just found out that he has to go out of town next week. It annoys me that these things are always last-minute.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 2:09 PM
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The other thread within this thread. The kind of news you desperately want to *be* news so long as the world is as fucked up as it still clearly is - the alternative being that it is ignored -, but that you cannot bear to read this day.


Posted by: dairy queen | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 2:11 PM
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127 was a very nerdy joke to 126.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 2:11 PM
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Oh good lord. That was a very nerdy joke.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 2:12 PM
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Tulip is much more dramatic widening, and nearly always a very bad idea, the best A line (to my mind) much less extreme. No flare, please (shudder).


Posted by: dairy queen | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 2:13 PM
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Find a picture, if you would? I'm not visualizing it.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 2:15 PM
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98% of the non-underwear* clothing my kids have ever worn has been from thrift shops and eBay. You can get e.g. used Mini-Boden stuff for a fraction of the original price, often in immaculate condition. And then, when it's outgrown, AB resells it on eBay, thus continuing the circle of life. AB will also track down specific items that she's noticed in catalogues for herself.

Amazon and etsy aren't remotely comparable for these purposes.

*plus some % of the underwear, somehow. There's a system


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 2:18 PM
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For you, LB, I braved the horrors of hunting up a pic and remembering how to copy a URL on my phone! http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/85/3f/e2/853fe2b8943518d4814e39bc835d29b2.jpg

That should take you to a picture of an orla kiely dress with a basic a line skirt.


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134: If anyone else was puzzled this link might help --
http://l-clausewitz.livejournal.com/394539.html


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 2:21 PM
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I went to see what was on ebay and I see that I could get a refurbished Samsung Note 3 for $350. I may do so because I want to join the big phone crowd.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 2:21 PM
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And in this brief window of time when I can remember how thus thing works, this one is for Thorn:

http://www.shopbirdboutique.com/image/cache/data/OK_spotskirt_1-1000x1000.jpg

This would be AWESOME in corduroy with plaid dinos.


Posted by: dairy queen | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 2:22 PM
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139: I understand. Yeah, that's a-line to me too -- I was misunderstanding 'slight flare'.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 2:23 PM
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Ebay is the only source for a lot of the items in my stepdaughter's Xmas and b-day wish lists. I got her a Basil (from The Great Mouse Detective) plush toy, and she sometimes seems to love it, and other times says that it doesn't look like him at all, and that it must be a knock-off.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 2:27 PM
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Also, Thorn, I am appalled.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 2:28 PM
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So, the guy on Craigslist selling three Samsung phones all at once with no chargers or packaging has stolen phones, right?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 2:38 PM
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At least he lives near me, so it would be convenient.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 2:39 PM
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Re the discussion of twee on another thread back when I was most recently in the throes of getting a brief filed - I think I broke the twee-o-meter o'er the article Josh posted when buying my kids bday gifts of vintage accordion sheet music. But I loathe Cath Kitson (sp?) and like nearly every other thing on that list and am so far from nostalgic. Except it is wonderful to handle sheet music from the 1930's that is worn from being played so much! So many hours of playing already in it!


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I think (and would be correct vis a vis UK usage) of tulip as this shape:


http://nlathe.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/16713786_01_b.jpg


Wider on the hips than on the knee, and often with a sort of upside down pleat. My wife wears that shape a lot.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 2:43 PM
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Image search suggests that you're right -- it's not the shape I was thinking of, but I must have just pulled the wrong word. I might have been thinking of trumpet-shaped?


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 2:46 PM
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a sort of upside down pleat

An inverted pleat, I think is the term.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 2:47 PM
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Inverted pleats are mountain - valley - valley - mountain rather than valley - mountain - mountain - valley box pleats. The ones pictured are unusual only in being slightly bias, and in only dealing with the waist/hip difference, not the whole waist/hip/walking ease increase. Like darting the top of a pencil skirt vs goring an A-line or trumpet skirt.


Posted by: clew | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 3:10 PM
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I'm pretty sure I shouldn't wear pencil skirts, but I like them, so I do. I love skirts because they tend to fit me a bit better than dresses (long torso/short legs - often hit at the wrong point), but lately I have fallen in love with tunics. Why did no one tell me that tunic + leggings is basically pajamas?


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 3:14 PM
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58: I call dibs on a skirt!


Posted by: J, Robot | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 3:14 PM
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153: oh, come on.


Posted by: Opinionated Pathans | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 3:16 PM
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Image search suggests that you're right -- it's not the shape I was thinking of, but I must have just pulled the wrong word. I might have been thinking of trumpet-shaped?

I can only assume this was intended to be posted in the penis-measuring thread.


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 3:17 PM
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I like a kick pleat in a skirt, too.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 3:18 PM
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152. like this?


Posted by: lw | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 3:21 PM
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A well executed kick pleat gets you to the flattering narrow A line shape quite nicely. Properly accessorized more sexy librarian than retro air stewardess.


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155: My apologies.

You are all in trouble for introducing me to Falke. My imaginary basket has hundreds of pounds of merchandise in it. (Though apparently I might be able to get it through my husband's shop at hefty discount, so....score?)


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 3:26 PM
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Decidedly score, paren. Decidedly.


Posted by: dairy queen | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 3:35 PM
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Besides general harasslement and blood-from-turnip-squeezing,

That's it! Simultaneously harassing and hassling! That's what they were doing! Exactly!


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 3:36 PM
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I put a picture of my new fabric in the pool because it is so great and I probably won't have a skirt from it for a long time.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 3:43 PM
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Is that what dirndl means precisely?

That may be an accurate description of the shape of the skirt part of a dirndl, but I have a pretty strong impression that dirndls definitionally include material above the waist, whether apron-style (that is, a square of fabric that has straps that go over the shoulders) or corset-style (aka The Slutty Barmaid). Basically jumpers, in that they're made to be worn over shirts.

I'd add that the last time I was in Germany, every department store had a big display of Trachten, or traditional country wear: dirndls and lederhosen. I'm pretty sure I didn't see anything that was a true skirt, but I could be wrong (and that still might not be considered a dirndl, but was being sold as part of the general look; there was certainly a spectrum of more and less traditional styles).


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 3:51 PM
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pre-mocked, but the design lines are usefully clear.


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more scavenging, with kilt & dirndl. Ish.
http://lulusvintage.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/06/19/mccalls2407_2.jpg


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Are those flyswatters?


Posted by: jms | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 4:12 PM
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Almost any article of clothing can be a flyswatter.


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154: done.

I don't have any very interesting corduroy or tweed right now but I could get some. I have a lot of crazy lightweight cotton and linen, all ready for the summer months.

I especially like making skirts out of home dec fabric lines because of how I can pretend to be in the Sound of Music. This one looks pretty fun for example.


Posted by: E. Messily | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 5:04 PM
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Remember the Carol Burnett spoof of Gone with the Wind where she came down in a gown made from the curtains, including the curtain rod?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 5:08 PM
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So, if I buy an unlocked phone on ebay, I can just take the little chip out of my phone, plug it in to the new phone and I'm good?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 5:22 PM
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heebie:

29 here. Sorry for the delay in responding to your request earlier today. I got stuck doing actual work at work all afternoon (shocker!).

jockey slipshorts

I usually get them on sale at the jockey outlet at my local outlet mall.


Posted by: Sam | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 6:48 PM
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169: May I join in? I love summer skirts.


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173: Certainly. Also I am very taken with the pettipants in 89. I'm going to make a bunch of those too. I don't care about my skin touching my other skin, but regular slips always end up twisting around in weird ways that I think shorts would solve.

I wear skirts with cowboy boots or sandals. In theory, I have other shoes that would also work, but in practice, when I put other shoes on I always hate it and switch to boots or sandals depending on the weather.


Posted by: E. Messily | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 7:26 PM
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I especially like making skirts out of home dec fabric lines because of how I can pretend to be in the Sound of Music.

That's why I like wearing my nazi uniform!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 7:30 PM
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uh


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 7:30 PM
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I was a Nazi in civilian dress. I don't think that's because my school had only one Nazi uniform. They called my character "Herr", which I don't think is military.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 7:35 PM
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I'm not making you a nazi uniform, Sifu. Even if it's out of curtains.


Posted by: E. Messily | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 7:38 PM
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And, having searched fruitlessly, I think we have a new high point for "weirdest thing in my browser history".


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 7:42 PM
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"Somebody on macrumors will know!"


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 7:43 PM
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Probably Etsy will hook you up.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 7:44 PM
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I am seventeen going on, what, ninety? Also female.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 7:46 PM
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This isn't exactly what I was looking for but it is kind of great anyway.


Posted by: E. Messily | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 7:50 PM
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Searching for "chintz nazi uniform" brings up a lot of Evelyn Waugh content for whatever reason.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 7:55 PM
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Ladies who wear oxfords with skirts, what oxfords do you have? It's a look I think I'd like, and I think I can pull off.*

*because I am old and broken, oxfords sound far more comfortable than any sort of loafer or flat given that tie shoes are better for foot support.


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The expression on the guy's face in 183 is worth a million bucks.


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I just planned out an outfit tomorrow wearing another skirt and the witchy shoes, on the premise that I ought to wear goddamn skirts if that's what I'd like to do.

Of course, we've already got a school delay for ice tomorrow morning, because seasonal lag.


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185: I have some maroon hush puppies that I'd wear, if I got into this skirt wearing thing.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 8:19 PM
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Now I want to eat at Long John Silver's.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 8:23 PM
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172: thanks!


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 8:36 PM
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Oh you mean the seasonal lag that's bringing another six inches of snow to the DC area?


Posted by: Turgid Jacobian | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 8:40 PM
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Oh you mean the seasonal lag that's bringing another six inches of snow to the DC area?


Posted by: Turgid Jacobian | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 8:40 PM
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and there's also something called Pettipants, which is such a great word.

Just the right thing to wear when commenting on the next blog over, Pettifogged.


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Oh you mean the seasonal lag that's bringing another six inches of snow to the DC area?

Hey, that's our snow! Give it back! We've got a dogsled race to run!


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Now I want to eat at Long John Silver's.

I wasn't aware there was one on the UChicago campus, but I can't imagine what else maroon hush puppies would mean.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 9:06 PM
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Is that your new job?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 9:07 PM
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To teo.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 9:07 PM
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Nah, if there's any institution that's currently a more precarious place to work than the State of Alaska, it's the Iditarod. No way would I take that chance.


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If I did work there, though, I would be seriously tempted to move the race to Boston this year.


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197: I was just about to admit to taking a job frying fish.


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People would vandalize any dog that stopped in their parking spot.


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Snow has been disappearing at an alarming rate. I don't know where they're moving it to. I guess the city's snow-hauling equipment is never going to haul away the epic mounds in my front yard, though.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 9:16 PM
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The Iditarod is free to move to Kentucky or any of the other places where snow falls frequently and heavily nowadays.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 9:17 PM
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Yeah, I think the school system where my mom works is about to run out of make-up days.


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203: Sure, that works too.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 9:31 PM
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I mean, it's a thousand miles long, so it can be routed through lots of places.


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199 seems like genius. Or NYC; isn't there a statue of the dog in Central Park?

Oxfords-with-skirt-wearers, I also would like more examples. In my imagination I'm an elegant 1930s intellectual, but in practice I seem to be all feet.


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The Iditarod only dates back to the seventies, Wikipedia tells me. I would have thought it was much older.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 9:51 PM
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It's vaguely inspired by the serum run of 1925, but yeah, it's not very old itself.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 9:58 PM
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I went on a couple of dates with a fiddle-playing doctor who, each time we met, was wearing brown oxfords with tights of some color or another and a skirt. She did not look like a 1930s intellectual, but it was pretty cute.

And then I had dinnter at Bar Tartine.


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Dinnter?


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 10:19 PM
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maybe not saddle oxfords.


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No, that's a typo. I had dinner.


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Ah.


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Saddle oxfords seem like a whole new level of thing.


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Ebay sellers have absolutely no idea that people attach standardized meaning to terms like "scoop neck" or anything.

I don't understand certain things people do. Like they're selling some generic mid century thing and they put on this big list of names KNOLL EAMES PEARSALL KAGAN and, sure, if I were looking for things along the lines of Eames, this might draw me in, but if I am looking for actual Pearsall and get 1,000 hits, many of them crappy, I shall be cross. Ebay used to be good for vintage stuff and now is generally pretty expensive with once in a while a real find.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 11:04 PM
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The Nazi uniform sub-thread made me laugh very, very hard.

(As punishment, I am listening to the saddest music in the world!)


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 03- 4-15 11:42 PM
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Ladies who wear oxfords with skirts, what oxfords do you have?

I wear these in winter and these in summer. (The summer pair ranks as perhaps my best eBay score ever.)

I am currently lusting after these in a gray color, but I probably don't neeeeed them.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 03- 5-15 4:35 AM
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Oxfords-with-skirt-wearers, I also would like more examples. In my imagination I'm an elegant 1930s intellectual, but in practice I seem to be all feet.

It's important that the oxford have a relatively low vamp, and that the tongue not come up too far. It helps if you can see the curve of your ankle and very top of your foot.

I personally prefer shoes where the sole extends out from around the edges of the upper, as in all three examples I linked above. (Is there a name for that?) With oxfords particularly, if they're too sleek it feels unbalanced with my heavy calves.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 03- 5-15 4:53 AM
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I looooooove your summer oxfords, Blume.


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 03- 5-15 5:16 AM
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Those are really cute, Blume. This whole thread makes me want to go shopping, but my inner cheapskate reminds me that I have enough clothes.


Posted by: ydnew | Link to this comment | 03- 5-15 5:30 AM
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Those are super fantastic shoes. I'm sold!


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 03- 5-15 6:02 AM
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If you want cut-out oxfords, my wife's shop can sell you these:

https://linkonym.appspot.com/?GMizX68VSE336lCpCbDxG665Lbix8UxltX8bIWhCnZAZRfA5nfJIXhsKV7CIVhPV2BxvidhrlBY4a--hzkXLX3M_8mx1T30YcA==


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 03- 5-15 6:06 AM
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That's like 300 in Fahrenheit money.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03- 5-15 6:29 AM
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If you wore $300 shoes and no khaki pants, Moby, people would pay attention to your shoes.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 03- 5-15 6:32 AM
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Right now I feel like complaining that the bus is overheated. Sure, it's free and running nearly on time despite the school-canceling weather, but I'm starting to get sweaty and it's too crowded to be able to remove my pants or coat.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03- 5-15 6:35 AM
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The bus is free?


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 03- 5-15 6:45 AM
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I bet people would pay attention to Moby's shoes no matter what kind of pants he didn't wear.


Posted by: E. Messily | Link to this comment | 03- 5-15 6:55 AM
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well, shoes among other things, probably


Posted by: E. Messily | Link to this comment | 03- 5-15 6:56 AM
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My left shoe has a hole in the bottom but I don't want to wear my other pair because all the fucking salt has ruined this pair.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03- 5-15 7:01 AM
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227: As a part of my compensation, I get a free bus pass.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03- 5-15 7:02 AM
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I assume 231 is to 230, and now I wonder what kind of shoe warranty I could get.


Posted by: Turgid Jacobian | Link to this comment | 03- 5-15 7:11 AM
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It helps if you can see the curve of your ankle

Boy does it. Yowza.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 03- 5-15 8:01 AM
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Save something for the wedding night.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03- 5-15 8:03 AM
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ttaM's efiw's pohs lles emos ytterp seohs.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 03- 5-15 8:11 AM
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I was thinking the same thing, but forwards.


Posted by: ydnew | Link to this comment | 03- 5-15 8:30 AM
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S'532 tnemtimmoc ot eht tpecnoc dnuof gnitnaw.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 03- 5-15 8:48 AM
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"ttaM's" si lanoitidart.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 03- 5-15 8:52 AM
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lanoitidart!


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 03- 5-15 8:52 AM
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.eyveT, is ti eruS


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 03- 5-15 8:57 AM
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tahW tuoba eht ralugnis 'lles'?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 03- 5-15 8:58 AM
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Thanks, Blume. 219.3: there is a name for it, it used to indicate that the shoes were truly resolable, and I bet ttaM could give us the details.


Posted by: clew | Link to this comment | 03- 5-15 9:53 AM
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it used to indicate that the shoes were truly resolable

Ooh I hope so, because I'm planning to have those cream shoes with the tan toe cap forever.


Posted by: Blume | Link to this comment | 03- 5-15 9:58 AM
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I decided to wear my oxford hush puppies today, and posted a photo in the flickr pool. They're more maroon in person.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03- 5-15 9:58 AM
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241: ?BLASBYMW


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 03- 5-15 10:00 AM
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Ebay sellers have absolutely no idea that people attach standardized meaning to terms like "scoop neck" or anything.

I'm amazed at how successful I've been selling records on Ebay just by describing them honestly. It's almost like people do searches for listings that don't include the word "mint" because anyone who uses that word is lying.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 03- 5-15 10:00 AM
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242: is this the famous Goodyear welt?


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 03- 5-15 10:03 AM
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Wow those shoes are gorgeous, ttaM, thanks for the link! Blume's summers are great too. I get my every day walking oxfords from Frye as they last and last and are resoleable. I change to heels in the office, tho.


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re: 247

It could also be hand-welted. I think the Goodyear is a mechanical process. But yeah, I think it does make the shoes easier to resole. I've had a couple of pairs of boots from my wife's place* completely resoled in the past. So it is something they do for customers.

* which is an on the expensive side high-street chain, rather than somewhere really high-end.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 03- 5-15 10:37 AM
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If you want cut-out oxfords, my wife's shop can sell you these

Right, I think I'm adding those and a number of other pairs to my wish list. So beautiful. They'll go delightfully with my new imaginary Falke tights.


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 03- 5-15 10:41 AM
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I get M shoes resoled by a guy right off Polk whose ancient cross-eyed Italian mother seems to be a permanent fixture in the shop and always progresses from strange petting of my shoes to petting me until her son tells her to knock it off. It was worse when I lived in the East Bay tho and the best shoe repair was that guy in Kensington who had had perfected the art of making money near impossible to break off the endless chit chat that always stayed just this side if uncomfortable "flirting" and leave. I told my better half how i dreaded these encounters and discovered he always found the fellow taciturn in the extreme. Shoe repair duties instantly became better half's province.


Posted by: dairy queen | Link to this comment | 03- 5-15 10:43 AM
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http://www.theshoesnobblog.com/2011/07/shoes-part-1-construction.html


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 03- 5-15 10:44 AM
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Wow phone massive breakdown of autocorrect!

my shoes

it near impossible

just this side of


Posted by: dairy queen | Link to this comment | 03- 5-15 10:46 AM
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Wow dq is now the third person I know to have said that the guy in Kensington is the best. Also is that second sentence in 251 a garden path deal or just ungrammatical or what?


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 03- 5-15 10:47 AM
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Oh, I see, it's all explained in 253.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 03- 5-15 10:48 AM
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How does autocorrect turn "it" into "money"? This must be a probabilistic deal based on dq's constant typing of the word "money" in the past.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 03- 5-15 10:57 AM
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Autocorrect keeps trying to turn "oy" into "it", because antisemitism.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 03- 5-15 11:09 AM
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The shoe repair place by me won't resole Doc Martins. Hence I have a hole in my shoe and, now, a wet sock.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03- 5-15 11:12 AM
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256: I'm constantly mystified! My phone is likely terminally confused and therefore vengeful as I switch the "region" on it pretty often to France so I can access things not otherwise available in the US and also the language setting is constantly changing especially when the kid is communicating with his friends.


Posted by: dairy queen | Link to this comment | 03- 5-15 11:48 AM
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I just bought a pile of shoe repair stuff off Amazon to try to resole Kid A's boots, because the man in the shop said he wouldn't have a go at them.


Posted by: asilon | Link to this comment | 03- 5-15 12:00 PM
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I don't think I have access to the flickr group. Could someone who knows me elsewhere hook me up? Maybe I'll finally post pictures of our kitchen.


Posted by: clew | Link to this comment | 03- 5-15 2:50 PM
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Email me and I'll send you an invite.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03- 5-15 3:30 PM
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I'm developing a unisex skirt - in case anyone is interested: http://skirtcraft.com


Posted by: Joe Q | Link to this comment | 03- 6-15 9:13 PM
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Is there...demand for that? I just suggested to my wife that we could go out in matching skirts, but she didn't sound super keen on that.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 03- 6-15 9:26 PM
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You don't have to wear the exact same unisex skirt. I mean, assuming there's somebody else who makes them.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03- 6-15 9:29 PM
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264: Your wife sounds like a smart woman.


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 03- 6-15 9:31 PM
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That's a practical looking skirt.


Posted by: clew | Link to this comment | 03- 6-15 9:52 PM
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I'm a little dubious about the lower pocket. Pockets are good, but at that height on a skirt it looks as if it might lead to the contents swinging around and bashing you annoyingly in the thigh.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 03- 7-15 7:00 AM
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but at that height on a skirt it looks as if it might lead to the contents swinging around and bashing you annoyingly in the thigh.

The main pockets, where you'd keep your keys, change, etc. are on the hip as in trousers. Those zip fastened things are, I suspect, mainly for show, though you might carry important documents like a passport or something in them for a short time. I don't think it's a problem.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 03- 7-15 7:19 AM
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That's about where a big pocket is with cargo shorts, though, and that's a relatively small problem with them.


Posted by: MHPH | Link to this comment | 03- 7-15 7:24 AM
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Having the second set of pockets right on the sides (as opposed to more towards front or back) keeps their contents pretty well out of the way of your legs. I tested a few locations and this one worked best.

I've collected feedback via product surveys, and there does seem to be demand for a product like this. It's limited, but the range of current options is even more limited. There seems to be a slowly growing buzz around skirts for men, and also a lot of interest in better pockets in women's clothing in general.

I can't vouch for matching outfits for couples, though - except maybe in Korea: http://www.buzzfeed.com/rsultan/matching-outfits-for-couples-are-apparently-a-thin


Posted by: Joe Q | Link to this comment | 03- 7-15 7:59 AM
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So it's like a less flamboyant utilikilt?


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 03- 7-15 8:44 AM
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Yes, less flamboyant than a Utilikilt in that it doesn't have the pleats or apron. But perhaps more flamboyant (for men) in another way - being outside of the kilt's bubble of relative cultural acceptance. Another difference is that Utilikilts have fairly masculine marketing while I'm going for a unisex/androgynous image.


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