Re: Guest Post - India

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Communists have also been frequently in power over the years in the state of Kerala. They put education first to the extent of now being one of the top exporters of skilled labor.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 03-27-15 12:38 PM
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Communists exporting people is how we got Ted Cruz.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-27-15 12:39 PM
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Ted Cruz is from Kerala?


Posted by: Tom Scudder | Link to this comment | 03-27-15 12:50 PM
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Wait that's the state where Bombay (sorry -- Mumbai) is and you can't eat beef? Fuck you.


Posted by: Tim "Ripper" Owens | Link to this comment | 03-27-15 12:51 PM
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You can still have water buffalo. That's probably the same as bison in flavor.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-27-15 12:53 PM
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AIMHMASPP, my parents one had a Catholic priest from India over to dinner. He wouldn't eat beef, even in Nebraska.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-27-15 12:56 PM
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I'm fine with no eating beef as long as it isn't for more than a day. Or two days, if there's pork.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-27-15 1:00 PM
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4. Locally, the adverse consequences apparently hit muslims disproportionately. You won't have to share their suffering, Insh'allah.

One of the most interesting things for me in reading about India is the unfamiliar social groups. The basis for regional and caste based discrimination just doesn't register for me.


Posted by: lw | Link to this comment | 03-27-15 1:01 PM
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Isn't the new PM from the BJP? I think it's fair to characterize them as more than just "fundie-curious".


Posted by: snarkout | Link to this comment | 03-27-15 1:03 PM
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So TRO's posting to the military governorship of the Turks and Caicos Territory is on hold while he puts down the anti-beef rebellion in Maharashtra? Do the Canadians know yet?


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 03-27-15 1:08 PM
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What if you only eat a little bit of beef at a time? Is that ok?


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 03-27-15 1:12 PM
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9. OK, kindly adjust with a better description.


Posted by: lw | Link to this comment | 03-27-15 1:12 PM
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This is interesting. I never would have guessed that India produced so much beef.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 03-27-15 1:26 PM
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I understand the Indian PM will be making a state visit to Canada next month. If they come to an alliance, it could spell trouble for the Turks and Caicos Halford Islands.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 03-27-15 1:28 PM
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That's probably about the
border dispute.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-27-15 1:30 PM
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Or maybe Canada wants the Turks and India wants the Caicos.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 03-27-15 1:58 PM
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Pankaj Mishra has used "idengenized fascism."

http://www.theguardian.com/books/2014/may/16/what-next-india-pankaj-mishra


Posted by: dairy queen | Link to this comment | 03-27-15 2:00 PM
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Yeah right like a military alliance between Canadians and non-beef eaters has a chance. The T&C under benevolent carnivorous despotism are impregnable.


Posted by: Tim "Ripper" Owens | Link to this comment | 03-27-15 2:02 PM
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17 is pretty good. Appadurai is definitely worth reading;Ceylan Uzak and others, and Turkish cinema worth watching.

The free flow of capitals is important and I don't think nationalism is really winning as much as being used by other identities and hybridities and nomads across economic classes. IOW, identities are also weapons of the weak but as used on balance strengthen the ruling classes.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 03-27-15 3:23 PM
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And it's a bad terrible mistake to compare this in any way with 30s fascism. Borders, especially mental borders, are way too porous. It is something different, something new, but also something old: neoliberalism, a kind of liberalism as control mechanism.

Himmler likely really did buy into his ancient ritual bullshit, as did many of the Japanese officer corps.

Obama, although y'all can't accept it yet if ever, was just conning the rubes, plebes, and marks at his Nobel speech and at Selma.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 03-27-15 4:07 PM
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Modi's not just from the BJP - he's pretty close to being an actual upfront genocidaire and was definitely complicit in anti-Muslim pogroms when CM of Gujarat.


Posted by: Keir | Link to this comment | 03-27-15 5:18 PM
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To his credit, Modi did say something the other day about maybe people should go easy on persecuting the Christians.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 03-27-15 5:30 PM
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The BJP government literally tried to ban Christmas though.


Posted by: Keir | Link to this comment | 03-27-15 5:51 PM
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Hmmm not super into these Hindu nationalists I must say.


Posted by: Tim "Ripper" Owens | Link to this comment | 03-27-15 5:55 PM
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I'm rather fond of Christmas.


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 03-27-15 5:58 PM
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Stupid phone.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-27-15 5:59 PM
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I didn't mean that. My new phone tells me how many steps I've taken and opens after scanning my fingerprint.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-27-15 6:01 PM
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I heard something about all civil servants in India getting free daily yoga passes. Which sounds really cool, until you realize its a Hindu nationalist front to push cultural hegemony.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 03-27-15 6:16 PM
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See for details, with added bonus of seeing the Communists sticking up for the Christians.


Posted by: Keir | Link to this comment | 03-27-15 6:27 PM
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The whole Wendy Doniger book banning thing also the litigation over the CA textbook standards are really depressing.


Posted by: dairy queen | Link to this comment | 03-27-15 6:34 PM
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It is plausible but I guess untrue that the Turks Islands are known as the Turks Islands because of their fez cacti.


Posted by: lourdes kayak | Link to this comment | 03-27-15 9:14 PM
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Beef is the most boring meat widely eaten by humans, basically vaguely meat flavoured filler that will carry relishes and sauces OK. To get a cut that's worth eating for its own sake you have to take out a second mortgage. If I had to forego one dead animal in my life it would be cow every time. That said, I'm opposed to banning it by law; if your beliefs forbid you to eat something, then don't eat it, end of.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 03-28-15 6:32 AM
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Well, try to get cheese from what you get out of a pig.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-28-15 6:47 AM
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Live cows are fine; it's dead ones that are insipid and dull.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 03-28-15 6:51 AM
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Several thousand live cows get a bit smelly. I don't understand how you can have a culture that depends on dairy foods but doesn't eat cattle. At least 49% of the cattle born are a waste if you don't eat them.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-28-15 6:57 AM
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Huh, I find beef unbelievably delicious, even when done badly. Chicken is the filler meat that I wouldn't care if I never ate again.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03-28-15 7:00 AM
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36 is right.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-28-15 7:08 AM
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Exactly. Tastes like chicken isn't praise.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 03-28-15 7:11 AM
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At least 49% of the cattle born are a waste if you don't eat them.

Agreed, which is why it's a good thing there are people who actively like them, and cookery writers who can imaginatively dress the stuff up for the rest of us. But my point was that banning the stuff is insane. For example, I have no clue what water buffalo tastes like, but I have drunk water buffalo milk, and it's decidedly inferior to cow milk. Waste of good potential mozzarella.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 03-28-15 7:16 AM
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In fairness, the moronic voters of California did ban both horse meat and foie gras, depriving us of two sources of deliciousness just to be morons. The fuckheads aren't only in India.


Posted by: TRO | Link to this comment | 03-28-15 7:32 AM
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I don't think I've knowingly eaten a horse.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-28-15 7:43 AM
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37 is exactly what you'd expect from a Nebraskan.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 03-28-15 7:44 AM
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I've eaten horse sushi. It wasn't bad.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 03-28-15 7:48 AM
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We all agree pig products are supreme though, right?


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 03-28-15 7:49 AM
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43: On one trip through Kyushu, we were served horse sashimi one night and whale sashimi the next. My ex ate a lot more on that holiday than I did.


Posted by: Ume | Link to this comment | 03-28-15 7:56 AM
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Heebie has never had roast chicken I guess.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 03-28-15 8:04 AM
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These central Texas chickens are delicious, live fairly happy lives until slaughter, and should be available in Heebie-land.


Posted by: Criminally Bulgur | Link to this comment | 03-28-15 8:20 AM
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I like a good roast chicken a lot but it's not even top tier bird meat, too bland. Duck, goose, turkey all have more flavor and rock way the fuck harder than chicken.


Posted by: TRO | Link to this comment | 03-28-15 8:25 AM
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live fairly happy lives until slaughter

That seems like psychological cruelty.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-28-15 8:28 AM
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Whatever, bro.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 03-28-15 8:45 AM
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49 is possibly one of the more eccentric defences of battery farming that I've come across.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 03-28-15 9:00 AM
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I'm not trying to defend battery farming, but cockfighting.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-28-15 9:05 AM
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Fig leaves and green almonds at the market this morning, yum yum yum! Also feeling hilariously old listening to very deep voiced young man at the artichoke stand generously and at surprising length giving advice to an apple farmer about some tractor issue as the apple farmer isn't too much older than me I'd guess and the artichoke kid I remember as a pipsqueak back in the day.


Posted by: dairy queen | Link to this comment | 03-28-15 9:16 AM
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Some chickens are tastier than others, depends if they're bred for eggs or meat taste, or combo. I've heard but have no idea if true that the tastier meat ones are closer to the cockfighting ones. We've been sorta spatchcocking them and roasting in a big cast iron pan otherwise used for pizza night. Also mega yum!


Posted by: dairy queen | Link to this comment | 03-28-15 9:20 AM
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Heebie has never had roast chicken I guess.

This is false! It's delicious. So is fried chicken, for that matter. But chopped up chicken in a pasta or in a dish....eh.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03-28-15 9:25 AM
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47 is good to know! Also there's MooJesus which is no joke, and in nearby Seguin.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03-28-15 9:26 AM
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Fig leaves and green almonds at the market this morning

I miss the market I assume you went to, on which the berkeley farmer's market, while nice, is not a patch. (I'm assuming it was the Ferry Building but maybe it was actually Alemany??? At Alemany as at Civic Center on Wednesdays there's a mostly-citrus farm from Fresno or thereabouts that also has green almonds and green walnuts and sometimes BITTER ALMONDS too. They have the most astonishing variety of citrus in autumn and winter, and also quinces for cheap.)


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 03-28-15 9:31 AM
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From 56, just to drive home the point:

-Please take the time to browse (or read word-for-word!) our website, to find out about who we are, what we are doing and how very, very, VERY much we love Jesus.

Plus the only licensed hand-pumped raw milk dairy farm in Texas!


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03-28-15 9:35 AM
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Not that I think raw milk is a great idea.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03-28-15 9:36 AM
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It was the FB but i love Allemany and CC too, you can get better okra either place than at FB. I am having to staunchly resist lemon hoarding as you can just feel that any week now poof! they'll be gone. I'm not being particularly successfully at resistance though we have an absurd amount of Meyers at home.


Posted by: dairy queen | Link to this comment | 03-28-15 9:37 AM
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I may become vegetarian to never again worry about explaining why I would find whale sashimi morally abhorrent but might try horse.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 03-28-15 9:45 AM
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That, and I enjoy feelings of moral superiority.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 03-28-15 9:46 AM
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Because you can't overfish horses.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03-28-15 9:47 AM
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Goddamnit, heebie, I just meant thinking how about killing intelligent, social animals for food makes me sad. Extinction threats hadn't yet entered my mind.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 03-28-15 10:05 AM
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Although, with the oceanic ecosystem collapse it's probably too late to worry about that particular barn door.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 03-28-15 10:07 AM
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Horses aren't intelligent social animals? Pigs? Goats? Chickens I'll concede, but I suspect you are unlikely to clamor for chicken sashimi. I knew a guy who was socially constrained to eat chicken sashimi once, during a heat wave. He survived!


Posted by: dairy queen | Link to this comment | 03-28-15 10:09 AM
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Horses aren't intelligent social animals?
Neigh.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 03-28-15 10:12 AM
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Horses are just slender, athletic cows, right? I assume grazing herd animals are not possessed of innovative, independent minds.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 03-28-15 10:18 AM
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Horses can do addition.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-28-15 10:23 AM
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No one takes whales to dressage competitions.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03-28-15 10:25 AM
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But my novel supposes, what if they did?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-28-15 10:27 AM
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Then we wouldn't feel so bad about eating them.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03-28-15 10:32 AM
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There's never been a commercially successful recording of horse song.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 03-28-15 10:35 AM
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Horses perform terribly in rap battles.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 03-28-15 10:35 AM
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Krill gets stuck in their giant horsey teeth.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03-28-15 10:36 AM
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No one takes whales to dressage competitions.

Because you have to buy them tickets for like 50 seats.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 03-28-15 10:40 AM
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Then we wouldn't feel so bad about eating them.
We might, if they went to dressage competitions all the time, for no good reason?


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 03-28-15 10:43 AM
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Heh.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03-28-15 10:51 AM
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Horses are just slender, athletic cows, right?

Technically, it would be more accurate to say that whales are obese, indolent cows, but for the sake of argument, why not?


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 03-28-15 10:52 AM
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So horses are slender, athletic, land-whales?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03-28-15 10:54 AM
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Sheep are just goats without wool.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 03-28-15 10:54 AM
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Goat is just another word for nothing left to shear.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03-28-15 10:55 AM
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80. 60 foot long horses are.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 03-28-15 10:55 AM
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If Eggplant watched the Super Bowl, he'd know a lot more about horses.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 03-28-15 10:56 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNqtNBMfa0E


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 03-28-15 10:59 AM
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83: Slender, athletic land-whales are so dumb.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 03-28-15 11:02 AM
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In Chinese, the word for "sheep" is the same as the word for "goat". I trust, gentlemen, that you take my meaning.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 03-28-15 11:10 AM
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That they don't get parts of Gospels?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-28-15 11:19 AM
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82 is wonderful.


Posted by: dairy queen | Link to this comment | 03-28-15 7:29 PM
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87 probably explains why I had so much trouble recently convincing my girlfriend that a ram is a male sheep but a goat is something else altogether.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 03-28-15 7:43 PM
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"Those who can't do, teach. And those who can't teach, teach physics."


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-28-15 7:54 PM
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The year of the goat/sheep has just started and I work with mostly Chinese people at the moment, so I can attest to 87.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 03-28-15 8:33 PM
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92: Yeah, we were at a Chinese restaurant that had some sign related to the new year and a picture of a ram and she referred to it as a goat, which led to an hour of Wikipedia-ing the biological classification of ungulates.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 03-28-15 8:46 PM
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Wait a second. In Chinese Christianity, who goes to heaven and who goes to hell?


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 03-28-15 9:10 PM
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People who read 88 were already wondering.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-28-15 9:12 PM
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95: I don't even see the New Testament.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 03-28-15 9:22 PM
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Also I took a whack to the face this morning. Cut me some slack.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 03-28-15 9:22 PM
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I had no idea sheep and goats had something to do with heaven and hell.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 03-28-15 9:27 PM
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I do remember lots of stuff about how we're supposed to bathe in lamb blood.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 03-28-15 9:27 PM
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98: It's a metaphor.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-28-15 9:32 PM
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99 isn't?


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 03-28-15 9:36 PM
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98 outs essear as not a Cake fan.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 03-28-15 9:41 PM
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99: The bathing part, I suppose.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-28-15 9:42 PM
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One of the churches we pass on the drive to school has had a sign alluding to the idea that Christ's blood will wash you whiter than snow and I have no idea if it draws only from the white part of a very poor racially mixed neighborhood or if I should be more obvious about saying "Fuck that shit!" to the older girls, but for now I've left it alone and let them not pay attention.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 03-28-15 9:49 PM
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Thorn, I think that the idea of a red sticky substance making you white already suggests we're in the realm of metaphor. Though I suppose there is carbolic soap ...


Posted by: NW | Link to this comment | 03-29-15 3:49 AM
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But I can't help feeling that the metaphorical equation of "white" = "clean" and "pure" is something that could do with some push back by now, however old and traditional it is.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 03-29-15 4:12 AM
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106: I wish, but good luck on that.

Milk, raw silk, cotton, wool, linen

Clouds

Yoruba, Brahmin, Muslim, Chinese and Japanese

"Old and traditional" understates the force

I'm a night and rain person myself, but I still like stars and being able to read

Green has a shot, blue maybe cause sky and oceans


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 03-29-15 6:18 AM
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Best you could would probably push yin and yang as hard as possible, but you really aren't going to be able to devalue fucking light. Nature is not on your side.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 03-29-15 6:30 AM
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It would be easier to point out that white people aren't.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 03-29-15 6:58 AM
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"Christ's blood will wash you as clean as the Snuggle fabric softener bear appears to be clean." "Christ's blood: Like a ShamWow, but for everything."


Posted by: Tim "Ripper" Owens | Link to this comment | 03-29-15 7:40 AM
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I'm still confused about something. Did Amanda Know kill somebody or not?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-29-15 8:02 AM
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111: Only the innocence of tourists in Italy.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 03-29-15 8:06 AM
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Shit. Now I can't mock the typo in 112.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-29-15 8:07 AM
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Shit. There's isn't a typo in 112. I'm going to have more coffee.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-29-15 8:08 AM
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But there is a typo in 111. I don't think coffee will be sufficient. Time to break out the whiskey.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 03-29-15 8:21 AM
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Let's also pause for a moment to recall the fantastic awfulness of the British press in the Amanda Knox thing. Europe: sometimes it sucks.


Posted by: T"R"O | Link to this comment | 03-29-15 8:26 AM
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And while we pause let us also consider the unseemly eagerness of otherwise intelligent Americans to be persuaded on the case by the efforts of the expensive spin doctor hired by Knox's family.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 03-29-15 8:41 AM
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117: The prosecution's theory of the case was absurd, there was very little physical evidence pointing to Knox, and someone else was convicted of the crime. If they paid that spin doctor 5 dollars, they paid too much.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 03-29-15 8:45 AM
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Yes, "spin doctors" known as "all available physical evidence" are an American plague! Bizarro sex cult theories with no physical evidence are cool! "Foxy Knoxy" goes free!


Posted by: T"R"O | Link to this comment | 03-29-15 8:51 AM
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And there are many ways that the UK is better than the US. Are you seriously going to defend the UK tabloids as one of them?

I used to wonder why the Soviets bothered with Pravda, because everyone must know that much of it is lies. I think the Knox case demonstrates the power of propaganda in the absence of a competing narrative. If it was an important story, there would have been competing narratives, but since it was a sleazy tabloid story, there was only one. In the absence of a competing narrative, the only existing narrative becomes the default one.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 03-29-15 8:52 AM
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To be fair, we as Americans have the advantage of having seen people convicted for ridiculous Satanic cult crimes on our very own soil.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 03-29-15 8:59 AM
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I've said this elsewhere, but anyone even vaguely inclined to consider AK guilty should read The Monster of Florence, which isn't about AK at all, but rather, at least in part, about her batshit insane prosecutor who apparently applies his same theory of the crime (sex! sluts! satan!) to every case that crosses his desk.


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 03-29-15 9:02 AM
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Not to pile on chris y, but piling on chris y: Are we to take it that Italy's Supreme Court was also swayed by the mesmerizing power of American spin doctors?


Posted by: snarkout | Link to this comment | 03-29-15 10:47 AM
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Are we to take it that Italy's Supreme Court was also swayed by the mesmerizing power of American spin doctors?

Pocket Full of Kryptonite sucked. I'm sure that the Italian Supreme Court listens to Blues Traveler if they want a pop-bluesy early 90s band from the mid Atlantic.


Posted by: AcademicLurker | Link to this comment | 03-29-15 11:26 AM
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If the Italian Supreme Court had to choose been Spin Doctors and Blues Traveler, I'm surprised many more Americans haven't been sent to jail there.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 03-29-15 11:29 AM
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sex! sluts! satan!

To be fair, Who? What? Where? is a bit old.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-29-15 12:08 PM
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Anyway, I was thinking a good way to look at this is to get base rate and then proceed with Bayesian adjustments. I couldn't find any crime statistics broken down by how hot the perpetrator was, so that didn't work.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-29-15 12:16 PM
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I've heard impassioned defenses from Italian physicists I know of both the Amanda Knox prosecution and the prosecution of those geologists who said L'Aquila wouldn't have a disastrous earthquake. They tend to get riled up at the thought that Americans are trying to influence the outcomes of their legal proceedings.


Posted by: essear | Link to this comment | 03-29-15 12:18 PM
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Impassioned defenses of Baysesianism?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-29-15 12:21 PM
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An Italian coworker had a truly unfortunate brush with the US legal system (a disgruntled ex-boyfriend, serious accusations, drama). She kept telling us how stupid and terrible our system was, so I was grateful to have the counterexamples in 128.


Posted by: ydnew | Link to this comment | 03-29-15 12:26 PM
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Re: Beef. I am looking at beef for one of the dishes at our wedding reception, but I am tempted by the duck. (you have to get two dishes, because they use up 2 cuts of meat.

The duck is (a.) Five-Spice breast with dried aprocot sage Shrub and (b.) Confit leg or thigh with rhubarb chutney.

There are several grass-fed beef options.

No 1 is (a.) Grilled-then-sliced double-thick sirloin steak with red onion jam and (b.) Cider-Braised boneless beef short ribs with spring garlic gremolata.

Duck and beef (with the exception of tenderloin) cost the same.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 03-29-15 1:18 PM
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Having duck and beef is nice. Gives you something for the vegetarians.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-29-15 1:26 PM
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Holy shit I can't wait until this wedding is over.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 03-29-15 1:28 PM
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Is 131 just musing aloud or is there a question there or what?


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 03-29-15 1:30 PM
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I don't go to fancy restaurants much these days. I've never even had onion jam.


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 03-29-15 1:36 PM
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That was me.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-29-15 1:36 PM
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134: There was a question, and I got distracted while I was typing. Which sounds better is what I meant to say.

132: Mobes, there will also be fish and probably something vegetarian.

133: Sorry.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 03-29-15 1:38 PM
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Back to the Italians... For Love and Gold playing at the PFA tonight! http://bampfa.berkeley.edu/film/FN22027

I've not seen it yet but heard about it for years and prospective proof of its awesomeness, the Italian I just messaged about it replied within 30 secs.


Posted by: dairy queen | Link to this comment | 03-29-15 1:39 PM
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So bay areans, go to the PFA tonight!


Posted by: dairy queen | Link to this comment | 03-29-15 1:40 PM
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Ummmmm, hello dq, tonight is the last night of the SFCMP Project TenFourteen series, with three world premieres including the premiere of a piece by George Crumb, and a performance of Varèse's Ionisation.

That movie does sound pretty cool though.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 03-29-15 1:43 PM
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Speaking of bay area goings-on the Berkeley Rep's production of Tartuffe is intolerably awful in almost every respect (the set dressing is nicely done).


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 03-29-15 1:48 PM
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Oh man that looks great too but going with the Italians on this one. Have fun at the concert and next time à la Cinémathèque!


Posted by: dairy queen | Link to this comment | 03-29-15 1:51 PM
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Another side bar-oh my is it delightful to have a teenager old enough to go with friends to see Don Quixote and not have to sit through it again! And then they take the bus back to the apartment and all you have to do is provide tea. Okay, also pay for tix and lunch out pre performance. And I did miss the donkey.


Posted by: dairy queen | Link to this comment | 03-29-15 1:53 PM
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That doesn't sound like a common problem.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-29-15 2:01 PM
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Almost everyone manages to hit some part of the donkey


Posted by: NW | Link to this comment | 03-29-15 2:16 PM
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I've not seen it yet but heard about it for years and prospective proof of its awesomeness, the Italian I just messaged about it replied within 30 secs.

I'm tempted but I'm also afraid that all this proves is that it's awesome to Italians. WHAT TO DO?


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 03-29-15 2:16 PM
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Oh Josh go for it! We can introduce you to a couple of very charming Italian women too! Although one is underage, so caution. The movie looks hilarious.


Posted by: dairy queen | Link to this comment | 03-29-15 2:23 PM
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HMMMMM


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 03-29-15 2:24 PM
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147: I don't know how my girlfriend would feel about that.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 03-29-15 2:25 PM
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Men and women can be friends, Josh.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 03-29-15 2:27 PM
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Right just friends bring your girlfriend!


Posted by: dairy queen | Link to this comment | 03-29-15 2:35 PM
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Not sure what the last installment in this story was, but someone confirming the original WWTSM line. (Warning: perpetually raised voices and long barking laughter - i.e., a sports show.)

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152: Ahem.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 03-29-15 2:39 PM
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145: you can tell when the ballet is putting on Don Q because you'll be unsuspectingly strolling along Van Ness just north of Market and suddenly a donkey and a horse will pass you on the sidewalk. This year's donkey is not as shaggy as last year's which is a shame but really ANY donkey is better than no donkey.


Posted by: dairy queen | Link to this comment | 03-29-15 2:40 PM
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154 is the worst shaggy donkey story I've ever read.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 03-29-15 2:43 PM
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There are some really lovely shaggy donkeys at Chenonceau, and a fabulous kitchen garden.


Posted by: dairy queen | Link to this comment | 03-29-15 3:32 PM
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The Aquila decision was not as weird as it seemed - it was a political press conference with lots of weird shit going on, not just scientists scienticing.


Posted by: Keir | Link to this comment | 03-29-15 3:58 PM
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153: Oh well.

ATM: Does one have any recourse if one finds a Canadian quarter in a roll of supposed-to-be-US-quarters obtained from a bank? There's no receipt or anything.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 03-29-15 4:20 PM
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You didn't get a separate receipt for each coin?


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 03-29-15 4:37 PM
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Stupid alternate browser.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-29-15 4:48 PM
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Can they serve pierogies than were recovered from some guy's pants?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-29-15 5:16 PM
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158 -- become a plaintiff in a class action lawsuit. Alternately go to the bank and explain. Alternately, you've lost .25 so who cares.


Posted by: T"R"O | Link to this comment | 03-29-15 6:03 PM
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.05


Posted by: beamish | Link to this comment | 03-29-15 6:11 PM
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.05 only if I can convert it at no cost in time or money.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 03-29-15 8:30 PM
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By this point I've spent more than a minute talking about it here, which at local minimum wage pushes me into negative returns.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 03-29-15 8:31 PM
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Parking meter.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 03-29-15 10:47 PM
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Wow loved the movie, highly recommended! Especially the cage fighting scene. And I think the horse had a bit of donkey in him.


Posted by: dairy queen | Link to this comment | 03-29-15 11:24 PM
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166: Parking meters and washing machines won't take them, but you can try to spend it somewhere else and hope they don't notice.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 03-30-15 5:16 AM
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Also, TRO, can you shine any light on why Amazon sells a particular classic album in mp3 format for $8, but as an audio CD with mp3 thrown in gratis for $4?


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 03-30-15 7:24 AM
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Straight mp3 governed by licensing deal w/Amazon, CD+download subject to first sale doctrine.


Posted by: TRO | Link to this comment | 03-30-15 8:30 AM
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Thanks.

I can see the rough path of how that legal structure came to be, but the end result is going to feel more and more absurd as the years pass. Basically physicality is now a magic talisman? I have CDs I bought but never cracked the plastic on, because of the free download.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 03-30-15 8:55 AM
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Maybe for a small premium (less than the $4) they would agree not to actually send the CD to you but agree to hold it for you somewhere.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 03-30-15 9:03 AM
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168: Parking meters and washing machines won't take them, but you can try to spend it somewhere else and hope they don't notice

At one of my work locations, a couple of guys have a small bulk snack commissary thing going out of a file cabinet (surely in contravention of some agreement with the vending machine supplier). The percentage of Canadian coins they get is quite high--I'm sure do to this effect.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 03-30-15 9:08 AM
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If you are buying physical playback devices just for the "free" download and there is an LP option, consider taking that route. A still shrink-wrapped lp from a limited run may eventually be worth something to someone with only a worn out record.


Posted by: dairy queen | Link to this comment | 03-30-15 10:04 AM
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Btw DQ the Crumb premiere was awesome, and Schick led the assembled percussionists through two back-to-back performances of Ionisation.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 03-30-15 10:16 AM
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Oooooo cool!

Definitely go see the movie if you get the chance it's completely asinine and glorious. Sang the first bit of the theme song to the kid as he headed down the steps this morning, he took the pick up seamlessly and was on his way.


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175: Oh wow!


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 03-30-15 10:54 AM
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After the first performance he turned around and said something like "you don't think we're going to get all these percussionists together and not play it at least twice, do you?".


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