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I have chest hair, but I pluck my own back hair while I'm on conference calls.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 7:55 AM
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I have a 1970s style hairy chest. I'd look like a gorilla if I hadn't had the hair on my back lasered off. As I slowly turn into my Dad I'm planning to get electrolysis to zap off the ear hair and crazy eyebrow hair. Of course the top of my head is slowly getting easier and easier to shave despite an efflorescence of hair everywhere I don't want it.

On the diet thing: I've done well with simply eating a single meal a day and smoking like a chimney to deal with the hunger pangs. Now that I've quit for the bazillionth time I can't manage that level of calorie restriction so my weight loss has stalled. I'm hoping I can manage a more modest version of what I had been doing, but the constant hunger sucks.


Posted by: togolosh | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 7:56 AM
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I guess lasering works better for the middle part you can't reach.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 8:00 AM
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My chest is optimally hairy.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 8:04 AM
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I have chest hair, but it's exceedingly pubic in aspect. It's not very satisfying, but I don't think shaving it would be an improvement.

One month to go on the artificial diet in toto! During the week starting May 1st I may have 200 calories of protein and 2 cups of fresh vegetables - daily, alongside 5 instead of 6 meal replacements. In the fourth week of May I can transition to all real food, and the program enters a new phase. Cumulative weight loss now 58lb.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 8:05 AM
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Can they laser ear hair? I either like or don't mind the hair elsewhere on my body, but ear hair is annoying. I guess I don't like the idea of sticking a laser in my ear, either.


Posted by: Bave | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 8:08 AM
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You can't expect them to put the laser you your head and shoot out.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 8:09 AM
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I guess I'm also ear-hair-laser-cannon-curious.


Posted by: Tom Scudder | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 8:10 AM
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I have a 1970s style hairy chest.

Good.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 8:11 AM
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I have like one hair on my collarbone that keeps growing back. That's just about it.


Posted by: Turgid Jacobian | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 8:12 AM
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This is going to sound uninformed, but what do men who groom off chest hair do? Shave it? The idea of a stubbly chest seems really gross. But I'm also kind of unable to believe that there's a significant part of the male population either getting regularly professionally waxed or spending the money on lasers or electrolysis.

Tl/dr -- I guess I thought any fashion for men in body hair was limited to show-biz people or the few men who are so fashiony they might as well be show-biz people.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 8:14 AM
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11: It's been a while since I wandered the beaches of Southern California, but when I did, the overwhelming majority seemed to be sans chest hair. That's a self-selected population, granted, but I don't think they were all aspiring actors.


Posted by: AcademicLurker | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 8:18 AM
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200 calories of protein and 2 cups of fresh vegetables

My usual breakfast is whatever greens or other vegetables we have in the fridge that will go bad if they don't get eaten, wilted in a pan and with a couple of eggs scrambled into them after they're wilted. Shredded cabbage works fine, grated carrots are good. I started doing this to keep the fridge cleaned out, and because I like it, but it sounds exactly like what you're allowed to eat, and it's a big plateful of food that tastes good if you like that kind thing. (Hot sauce doesn't have calories to speak of, right?)


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 8:18 AM
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12: So are they waxing, or are they stubbly? Because, if the latter, ick. (Oh, there's no reason for me to judge on anyone I'm not having sex with. Shave your chests if you want, guys.)


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 8:19 AM
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11- one uses electric clippers with the guard on it. Even with the guard down to very low, it does not completely shave the hair off, and therefore you skip the stubbly part.


Posted by: Rance | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 8:19 AM
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I'm thinking about the part of the article that talks about "people who believe they're worthless because they're not thin" and I've worked hard not to be one of those people, but days like today I feel like I've failed. (Or maybe I feel like I'm worthless for other reasons. Or maybe I shouldn't deliberately try to myself look hideous because doing otherwise would be more threatening. etc. etc. etc.) I still hate bodies even though I shouldn't.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 8:21 AM
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I've got chest hair. And back hair. And shoulder hair. Basically, like togolosh hair everywhere except my head.

For the most part I don't care about it, but I could really do without the recent development of crazy old-man eyebrows.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 8:21 AM
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15: Ah. Come to think, Ogged told me the same thing about his own grooming habits, and I forgot. I guess that wouldn't be so bad. But I'm still not seeing the point.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 8:21 AM
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Moderately hairy. I used to shave the part that comes up to my collar but have fallen out of the habit. (And the stubbliness there wasn't great, but I don't like chest hair coming up that high.) I've been open to the idea of chest waxing but as I'm not in shape in the slightest I think that'd end up looking pretty bad.

I've started getting ear hairs--just two or three right now, but I fear I'm going to turn into one of those guys with massive ear bush. Do not want. Ear lasering is intriguing.


Posted by: dalriata | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 8:24 AM
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or are they stubbly?

Not obviously. It might have been awkward if I tried to check more closely.


Posted by: AcademicLurker | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 8:24 AM
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I feel as if I should confess that I've been dieting since last fall, and I'm kind of ashamed of myself about it, because I generally disapprove of dieting as stupid and bad for you. (And particularly something that shouldn't be established as a norm in front of children -- I've been trying to be inconspicuous enough about it that the kids aren't aware.) Half-ass low-carb: no bread, rice, or alcohol unless I actually specifically want it, or am being polite, and portion control. And skipping lunch, largely because that's not visible to the kids.

I'm twenty pounds down since November, and just as I expected don't look strikingly different -- I didn't think the weight I put on after having kids changed how I looked much at all, and taking most of it off hasn't either. I'm really not sure why I'm doing this: mostly, I think I'm taking out some stress into being control freaky.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 8:30 AM
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21 is worthless without pics.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 8:31 AM
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I used to shave the part that comes up to my collar but have fallen out of the habit.

While I'm generally all for body hair (or hairlessness, whichever. Neither's particularly a problem), I am reminded of an incredibly hairy boss I had in a stupid job back in the 90s, working at FORTUNE on the business side. He was a couple of levels up from me, so I'd only see him every so often at meetings, and he generally wore open necked polo shirts. And it was clear that his chest hair was absolutely continuous with his heavy beard -- he had very visible stubble all the way down his neck and over his collarbone area, that ended in a smooth curve where he stopped shaving. No naturally hairless interruption between the chin and the chest at all.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 8:34 AM
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11: On Queer Eye for the Straight Guy, they used some kind of electric razor thing. But they weren't actually removing all of it--just trimming it. He still looked hairy, but groomed.

I think swimmers get waxed.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 8:34 AM
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17.2 is worthless without pics.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 8:35 AM
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Men: do you have chest hair, or do you groom it away?

There's an excluded third option here.

I have some chest hair, mostly around my nipples, but definitely nothing like Sean Connery in James Bond movies, and there's no grooming involved(1). Men vary in general. Sometimes the same man. A friend of mine is half Chinese and half Italian and jokes that he's Italian from the waist down(2), because his legs are so much hairier than his torso.

I do groom my eyebrows, though. Trim them, and shave away entirely the unibrow I'd naturally have. I resisted doing so for years because I viewed it as unnecessary grooming, but eventually my eyebrows grew so long that they'd get in my eyes, and once I got a tool specially for that, I might as well use it on the unibrow too.

(1) Not of my chest, that is

(2) Nudge, nudge, wink, wink


Posted by: Cyrus | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 8:35 AM
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My chest is best described as prepubescent.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 8:37 AM
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22: If you Google Image my real name, there are plenty. None of me, admittedly, but plenty of pictures.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 8:37 AM
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18 - The point is that it looks better. Just like a regular hair cut. Depending upon how hair one's chest is, it can get super curly and pubic-hair looking. Giving that a trim from time to time, can make it look better. As a plus for me, I'm on the skinny side, and my particular hair pattern makes me look like I've got larger pecs when they are trimmed a bit.


Posted by: Rance | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 8:38 AM
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Such a card, LB.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 8:39 AM
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29: Fair enough, if you think it looks better, you should do what you like. I'm just not seeing the presence of chest hair as generally a negative. (Also, 'pubic hair looking'? I mean, curly body hair looks like curly body hair, but that's not a reaction I'd ever have myself to chest hair.)


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 8:40 AM
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This thread needs the Daily Mash: http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/health/men-get-their-own-bullshit-body-types-2015032696744


Posted by: Alex | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 8:42 AM
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You can't expect them to put the laser you your head and shoot out.

We can but dream.

I have some chest hair, mostly around my nipples, but definitely nothing like Sean Connery in James Bond movies, and there's no grooming involved(1).

Yeah, this is me, basically. A little patch of hair around my sternum, and that's about it.


Posted by: Ginger Yellow | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 8:42 AM
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My hair situation is similar to Cyrus's. Or maybe Egglplant's.

If I was single, I would probably have crazy eyebrows, but my wife plucks them.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 8:43 AM
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17.2 is worthless without pics.

I tweeze that shit, man! They don't stick around long enough to get pic-worthy.

Documentation of 17.1 is now in the Flickr pool.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 8:43 AM
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I'm twenty pounds down since November, and just as I expected don't look strikingly different

It's interesting - if I lost ten pounds, I'd pass through about four clothing sizes. I'd look very different to myself, at least. But I have no idea how to lose ten pounds. It doesn't seem like very much weight to lose, but I have no idea what to do differently.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 8:44 AM
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but eventually my eyebrows grew so long that they'd get in my eyes

Wow, that's impressive. I'd want to get rid of that too.

If I could shrink my breasts a little bit without affecting the mammary ducts or whatever they're called, I would totally do it. My breasts aren't so big that they cause real back pain to the point where insurance covers the reduction. (I know Tim had a co-worker who was petite with very large breasts and in constant pain. Even then HR had to push through the surgery which Cigna initially denied.) For me, It would be easier to find clothes that fit, and I would have more bra choices, but mostly I just feel like I would feel freer.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 8:45 AM
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If I could shrink my breasts a little bit without affecting the mammary ducts or whatever they're called, I would totally do it.

I'm kind of looking forward to being able to swap out prosthetics on a daily basis. Gaping buttons? Go down a size! Too clingy on my belly? Go up a size! etc.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 8:48 AM
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if I lost ten pounds, I'd pass through about four clothing sizes.

And twenty pounds on me is barely a size. Pants that were snug are looseish, but there's nothing really that fit in November that really doesn't fit now. It's all bone structure.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 8:49 AM
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13: Thanks!


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 8:49 AM
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I'm fairly hairy, but it's also light colored so doesn't have quite the same effect as it does on dark-haired people. The shaven chest thing is really for people with lots more muscle definition than I currently sport. I would look like a six-foot infant with a white beard.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 8:50 AM
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heebie- how do you feel about grapefruit? Half a grapefruit with meals can lead to about 4 pounds of weight loss. It seems to affect how insulin works. It's not a huge amount, but it can fill you up with fiber.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 8:53 AM
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Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 8:55 AM
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The shaven chest thing is really for people with lots more muscle definition than I currently sport.

That was part of what I was thinking; that I guess I could maybe see getting rid of of chest hair if you were trying to show off a perfectly sculpted physique and the hair got in the way of admiring the Michelangelesque musculature, but for the average human, probably not much of an esthetic win.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 8:57 AM
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42: Oh, I'm going to sound like a crazy person. I've been cutting out all carbs and sugar, very strictly, trying to see if I could get a ketogenic thing going. So while I do like grapefruit, I'd be switching horses midstream. Gotta dance with the one that brang me, at least for a little longer.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 9:00 AM
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At first I thought the question in 42 was in response to 38.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 9:01 AM
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Grapefruit halves make terrible prosthetics.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 9:01 AM
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Yeah, you really want the coconut shells for that. Drier.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 9:02 AM
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Haha. In the OP I claimed I was resigned to this weight, and within the first hour of comments I reveal that I'm actually behaving like an obsessed neurotic.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 9:03 AM
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49: An obsessed neurotic can also be resigned.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 9:06 AM
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I have chest hair, but since my general life philosophy is to exert myself as little as possible, I have never done anything about it.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 9:06 AM
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Oh, I'm going to sound like a crazy person. [. . .] So while I do like grapefruit, I'd be switching horses midstream. Gotta dance with the one that brang me, at least for a little longer.

Dancing with grapefruit and horses in running water? No no, you don't sound crazy at all.


Posted by: My Alter Ego | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 9:08 AM
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I can't hear you with blood smeared all over my face.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 9:10 AM
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53: Virgin blood?


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 9:13 AM
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Menstrual.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 9:15 AM
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Not mutually exclusive.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 9:17 AM
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Yeah but one is much noisier.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 9:19 AM
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I hear Midol helps with that.


Posted by: My Alter Ego | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 9:23 AM
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45: You can do the same diet and add a little grapefruit. I mean, I assume that you're still eating vegetables. Just stay away from the grain.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 9:25 AM
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23 - I had a boyfriend like that: his beard started on his cheekbones, and didn't stop until past his ankles. I used to tease him about how he knew where to stop. I liked it though.

I've lost the same fifteen pounds more than once, and I'm pretty sure I'm the only one who notices. It doesn't involve any new clothes either way.


Posted by: asilon | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 9:35 AM
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In the interest of demonstrating self-reporting bias, my chest hair looks just like Sean Connery in the James Bond movies.

More seriously, I think my chest hair is slowly advancing up towards my beard, à la LB's old boss. For now, there's a clear separation—a small isthmus of hairless skin on my neck. But at some point, I suspect I'm just going to be picking an arbitrary dividing line.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 9:41 AM
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59: Are you saying to 1) increase my current intake by ~300 calories of grapefruit, because of what it does to the insulin, or 2) replace ~300 calories of my current intake with grapefruit, because of the insulin thing, but keep the total the same or 3) adding in the grapefruit will result in fewer daily calories, compared with my current intake, because I'll reduce my total intake?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 9:46 AM
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My chest hair is in two parts; a belly band that extends about 4" up from the belly button and about 6" to each side. There's a few inches of very little, then a triangle from the nipples up to the collar bone. Most of the hair is an inch or two long; where they meet in the middle, they swirl together a bit.

I've fortunately dodged most dieting; I was stick thin in high school, gained the Freshman 15 due to sodas at meal time, switched back to water and settled in around 180# after college. A couple decades of sedentary work added about 20#, which came down a bit with some weekly toil. (Mostly shopping for sodas; dragging cases of soda through two warehouse stores then stocking them is actually exercise.)


Posted by: Mooseking | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 9:49 AM
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A hairy chest doesn't look good on a swimmer.

As others have said, electric razor with a guard on. Trim it down. Like many things, moderation is good.


Posted by: will | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 9:49 AM
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As well as moderate amounts of chest hair, I have dark hair on my hands (not my palms) that I do nothing about.


Posted by: David the Unfogged Commenter | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 9:51 AM
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My isthmus of hairlessness has all but closed up, but my neckbeard hair is fairly distinct in texture from my chest hair, making picking the shaving line easy. Too bad that having a hair chest doesn't preclude having a patchy beard. Hair, as always, picks the wrong the places to grow.


Posted by: dalriata | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 9:54 AM
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1. AFAICT, I've had the same 3 (maybe 4, but who's counting) chest hairs since I was about 13.

2. When I see a hair sticking out of my ear, I pluck it.

3. Ditto when I see too many sticking out of my nostrils (though, if I let those go for a year or two, I might be able to wax them and persuade people that they are a mustache).

4. My eyebrows have always been thin, so even as they go crazy, they will probably never resemble Gene Shalit's mustache.

5. Fortunately, I don't have to worry about plucking the top of my head anymore.

6. About 10 years ago, several years after I had suddenly put on about 20 Lbs over 6 months, I recorded every mouthful and counted points a la WeightWatchers. I lost the 20 Lbs over 6-9 months. Eventually, I gave up strict discipline, but my intake is still down from what it was, and my weight now fluctuates seasonally about 10-15 Lbs below what it did during this high period. Those of you who are paying attention will have noticed that my weight is still higher than what it had been initially, but I attribute that to being 15 years older.


Posted by: marcel | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 9:55 AM
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Seems to me the hairless trend is over in certain quarters but it drove me nuts when I was in my 20s and everyone wanted a Ken doll.


Posted by: Mister Bearcase | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 9:56 AM
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Seems to me the hairless trend is over in certain quarters

The hind ones?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 10:01 AM
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The Latin Quarter in Paris. It's been turned into a giant prison camp for people with chest hair.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 10:02 AM
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That said, I pluck ear hair furiously. I have a co-worker who doesn't and is maybe 30 and has an ear forest, and I regard this and think there but for the grace of gay go I. I'd love a more permanent and more thorough and less painful solution but as above, lasers in my ears???

Embarrassing confession! The most galling thing about being a furball is the occasional hair growing out of the surface of my nose. Tweezers my rampart, and my only one.


Posted by: Mister Bearcase | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 10:02 AM
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I have a Latina friend who married a German guy, who didn't know until he saw his own daughters that babies could be born hairy. I think that's kind of funny.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 10:04 AM
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Like nosflow, my chest is optimally hairy (though that raises the question of whose chest is actually optimally hairy, since I think it unlikely that we are a perfect match in chestal hairiness). My daughters have begun urging me to pluck the wilder eyebrow hairs, though.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 10:05 AM
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Oh and on the weight thing I have dieted successfully in the past but am medium-miserable lately and drinking and eating and being a lazy ass are what get me through, so hello, fat me. Highest weight of my life. New jeans sizes. The whole bit.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 10:09 AM
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Mister Bearcase

xox


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 10:09 AM
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I trim my nose hair once every six months, right before my dental appointment.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 10:10 AM
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New jeans sizes.

The only truly new jeans size is 11π x 12e.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 10:15 AM
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the occasional hair growing out of the surface of my nose.

Buck feels your pain.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 10:17 AM
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My wife got me a nose hair trimmer and nags me about using it every so often. She's just the right size to look right into my nostrils (which now that I think about it would seem likely to be a not very appealing view, hairs or no hairs)


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 10:19 AM
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We've gotten old. Instead of Brazilian waxing, we discuss chest, ear, and nose hair grooming.

Constipation, insomnia, and back pain tomorrow!


Posted by: will | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 10:22 AM
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I'm pretty hairy in terms of chest-hair. 70s Sean Connery-ish,* but not a huge black thatch. My beard grows pretty thick and fast, too. But because I'm not that dark, I don't think I look particularly hairy, if I don't have my shirt off.

I don't think hairy chests are actually all that common. A little central patch, maybe. I remember and ex g/friend sliding her hand into my shirt in a taxi [end of first date] and being quite surprised.

In terms of grooming, I trim my beard, trim my eyebrows and nose hair, and shave the un-bearded bits every so often. I can't imaging waxing, or any of that faff.

* although Googling, that seems to vary a fair bit from film to film.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 10:34 AM
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80: Are saying this thread isn't just the initial planning phase for this year's The Studs of Unfogged swimsuit calendar?


Posted by: AcademicLurker | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 10:36 AM
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Constipation, insomnia, and back pain tomorrow!

No really, the memory foam topper helped with almost everything.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 10:37 AM
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I have like 4 chest hairs. I've always considered that an embarrassment, and didn't realize people did it on purpose.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 10:38 AM
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But they're spiky?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 10:39 AM
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62: Eat 1/2 of a grapefruit which is like 150 calories. Something closer to 3.) you'll naturally want to eat a little bit less because of the fiber and it will probably boost your metabolism a bit because of the insulin thing.

The original fadgrapefruit diet probably makes no sense scientifically, but it's survived since the 30's.

Also, for whatever reason, I find hard-boiled eggs more filling than fried or scrambled eggs. So hardboiled egg and an extra egg white works well for me with the grapefruit and non-fat greek yogurt.

Here's the paper abstract studying grapefruit, grapefruit juice, and grapefruit pills. You'd get less dramatic results if you ate less of it, but it can't hurt. My Dad has diabetes and both of his parents did too, so anything to protect against metabolic syndrome catches my eye.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 10:41 AM
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I don't yet trim my eyebrows because they're prominent but not particularly wild. I used to sometimes get them threaded, which hurt like a fucker and I'm not sure it looked good or markedly different. It seems I can talk endlessly about body hair. (I also only shave about every ten days, bad habit from years of a job where nobody expects me to look well-maintained.)


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 10:44 AM
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I walked into the kitchenette in the office once late at night or on a weekend, can't remember except that it was a time when only those who truly had no choice would be there, and a senior person was microwaving egg whites out of a carton. Presumably to eat. So depressing.


Posted by: dairy queen | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 10:45 AM
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Who knew dairy queen worked at urple's firm.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 10:46 AM
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87: Threading is more convenient than waxing.


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71.last, 78: I get hair on the surface of my nose too, despite not being all that hairy (see above), but I don't find it all that annoying. I just shave it roughly weekly. It's not hard to run a razor down my nose, same as down my cheeks and over my chin.


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89: She doesn't work at Dairy Queen?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 10:53 AM
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91: I didn't even know that was possible.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 10:55 AM
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91: I pluck because it's just one once in a while and I secretly half believe the "shave it and it will grow back mightier" probably-a-myth and also it feels more like a rebuke to pluck it.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 10:56 AM
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Like WHERE IS YOUR FOLLICLE NOW.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 10:56 AM
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Mister Bearcase

The offhand reference to an otter in H is for Hawk really threw me, especially since it was in a context where it wasn't completely unambiguous whether it was an animal or a man.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 10:59 AM
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No really, the memory foam topper helped with almost everything.

2025 Unfogged Threads:

Hot Flashes are the worst!

Why don't my kids ever call?

Which wheelchair/walker should I get?

Water Aerobics Wore Me Out!

Viagra or Watermelon rinds?


Posted by: will | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 11:00 AM
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Hm I love grapefruit.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 11:01 AM
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96: or... a Manimal!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 11:02 AM
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97: For the archives. We'll need to check back in 10 years.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 11:03 AM
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I have a mole in my right eyebrow that sprouts thicker, longer hair, yielding noticeable assymetry. For a while I trimmed them. Then I started tweezing them. Then I developed a nervous habit of plucking around them indiscriminately with my fingernails while at my desk. I've decided it's best that I ignore my eyebrows from now on.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 11:09 AM
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OK, I've seen a lot of chests over the last few weeks, and with-hair outnumber without-hair, with a large minority being very hairy.


Posted by: asilon | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 11:09 AM
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Watermelon rinds? I've heard tell of the uses of grapefruit, but nothing of this.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 11:10 AM
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102: Attending many orgies?


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102:

asilon's commitment to science is impressive.


"I'm sorry, sir, but I will need you to lift up your shirt."


Posted by: will | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 11:11 AM
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a large minority being very hairy
Racist, and sizist. At least it sounds like you're having fun.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 11:12 AM
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The microwaving was happening in a little pressed paper bowl, and a plastic fork was at the ready for consumption. I had a terrifying vision that no salt would be added, but managed to suppress this horrific prospect before falling into an abyss of despair.

I'm usually a chatterbox with the guys about office happenings but this was such a downer I never even mentioned it to them. You are the first people I've ever told about it. Not sure yet if doing so has been therapeutic or has just reopened the wound ....


Posted by: dairy queen | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 11:13 AM
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106: You don't see color or height? Impressive commitment to egalitarianism.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 11:14 AM
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But did he have chest hair, dairy queen?


Posted by: will | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 11:15 AM
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Behold, Esau my brother is a hairy man, and I am a smooth man.


Posted by: Opinionated Jacob | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 11:16 AM
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I guess moderately hairy:legs and arms blond, chest gray, belly black. Dad had a rug on his back, but not Ron Jeremy bad. I don't. Lots and lots of freckles.

The arms have white gaps I tell everyone are knife fight scars. Won't get tattooed cause I prefer hair.

FWIW, my latest information is that Japanese women, especially young ones, absolutely loathe body hair on men and there is a huge depilatory industry. Japanese gays are more varied about it.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 11:17 AM
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108: Thanks for making fun of my blindness, Walt, you dirty taxonomist.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 11:25 AM
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I wouldn't say there's a huge depilatory industry for men (yet) in Japan, as most Japanese men have little body hair to start with, though it is definitely a rising trend. Body hair generally is disliked on both men and women, and it's common for women to shave their entire face and arms as well as elsewhere. I once had to translate an advertisement from a very well-known electronics manufacturer for a facial electric razor for women aimed at the US market, and gave up trying to explain why I thought it probably wouldn't sell.


Posted by: Ume | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 11:33 AM
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most Japanese men have little body hair to start with

Everybody knows that from the James Bond scene with the hot tub.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 11:35 AM
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We also know it's hard to get western women to give you a bath.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 11:38 AM
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It does seem to me there aren't many hairy-chested Hollywood sex symbols after the 70s.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 11:42 AM
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116: I remember seeing "The Godfather Part III" in the theaters and the audience audibly being shocked and repelled during the scene where Andy Garcia's lying in bed with Bridget Fonda.


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116: I don't even recall them being in the film, because the only things I remember about it are the excruciatingly bad death scene and that Janet Maslin referred to it as The Godfather Part III: A Night at the Opera.


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116: Ahem


Posted by: Thomas Magnum | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 11:54 AM
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118: "Dad?"


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199: Ha! Good thing I clicked the link before writing my comment. I was about to say that either Burt Reynolds or Tom Selleck was the last. Pwnage averted!


Posted by: AcademicLurker | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 11:57 AM
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199=119


Posted by: AcademicLurker | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 11:58 AM
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Burt Reynolds is from the 70s even in the 80s.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 12:02 PM
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Sam Elliott was a contender. Love the haircut.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 12:03 PM
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People were hairy into the late 80s. Head, pubic hair, chests.


Posted by: will | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 12:03 PM
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In the 80s, women had huge bangs that were hairsprayed into erectness. Unless they were short women, their hair reached the top of the door frame.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 12:06 PM
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I wish somebody had told me that an exposed, hairy ass wasn't stylish anymore.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 12:06 PM
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Currently I bet Jon Hamm selectively shaves, and still has a thick stripe down the center.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 12:07 PM
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What, like a chest mohawk?


Posted by: My Alter Ego | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 12:09 PM
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126: As far as women's fashions in the 80s go, I'm still waiting for someone to explain shoulder pads. Objectively weirder than big hair, I say.


Posted by: AcademicLurker | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 12:11 PM
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The shoulder pads were hot.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 12:14 PM
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I always understood that they were meant to make the naturally pear-shaped look less so by broadening their shoulders. They looked horrendous on me, but the concept seems not entirely insane -- every man in a business suit is doing the same thing.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 12:15 PM
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Google image is your friend.

Umm. Hair/yCh/ests/Ru/le has an 18 yr old to enter and is a NSFW gay site that covers int'l film. Used to be, Indian, South and West Asian movie stars, Arabs, Israelis had a abundance, not so sure about current fashion. HCR seems to be doing the research.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 12:15 PM
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It's HRC. She's not going back to her birth name not matter what Fox says.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 12:18 PM
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David Duchovny's no Tom Selleck, but his chest wasn't shaved/waxed in the X-Files.


Posted by: L. | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 12:18 PM
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I'm Connery-esquely hairy. TWYRCL makes me trim now and then to accentuate this fine-tuned chest, ladies... for open-collared-shirt-decency's sake.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 12:18 PM
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My coloring is like Apo's, judging from the pictures. I had dark red hair on my head and neck, but the hair on my upper body below my head is much finer and fairer. From my waist down, beginning at my navel, it's darker and thicker like my head.

So chest or arm hair doesn't show very much. My head and beard started to go white after 40 and did so rapidly. Only my eyebrows retain any red now, although there is enough red in my hair that it shows when wet and makes the look when dry more like blonde than bleached. There's not been much color change apart from my head.


Posted by: idp | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 12:21 PM
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Shoulder pads fell out of style once women could increase their breast size.


Posted by: will | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 12:22 PM
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I meant to type: "Is it a related that..."


Posted by: will | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 12:23 PM
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Is Wolverine sexy?


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 12:23 PM
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Are we talking Hugh Jackman, or the line drawing?


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 12:28 PM
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135: David Duchovny took his shirt of in the X-Files?

140: Wolverine seems to be the exception to the trend. Apparently you can still be sexy with a hairy chest as long as you have an adamantium skeleton and retractable claws.


Posted by: AcademicLurker | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 12:32 PM
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142.2: Ah ha!


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 12:47 PM
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Hang on, does his hair regenerate? He might have an excuse.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 12:53 PM
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does his hair regenerate?

I'm going to make a wild assumption and guess that the answer is probably yes.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 1:01 PM
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A google image search for "sabretooth shaved" is sure confusing.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 1:04 PM
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But hair is dead cells. I think the hair follicles would regenerate, but hair would have to grow out at a regular pace.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 1:05 PM
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147: thank you for making that explicit.


Posted by: Turgid Jacobian | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 1:06 PM
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'wolverine alopecia' also pretty weird.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 1:07 PM
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I submit that Jon Hamm is the #1 most attractive person in media at this moment. I just can't stand that show.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 1:13 PM
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I think the weight thing might be a version of the just world fallacy, same as blaming Katrina victims and rape victims.


Posted by: emir | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 1:14 PM
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What's not to like about Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 1:14 PM
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LB, that clearing-out-the-veg-drawer breakfast of yours sounds so good and simple that I can't believe I haven't been doing it. Ever since a relatively recent move to the UK led me to discover Marmite and butter on toast, I'm having a harder time letting go of carbs at breakfast than I would otherwise.

I'm moderately hairy-chested; full coverage but not impressively thick except in the context of my family where I host 98% of the chest hairs of all living and recently departed members. (There are a lot of mailman jokes.) I never dreamed of trimming until I dated a guy who used clippers on his. Up to then, I had always thought clipped chest hair looked hilariously fake and porny, and I dreaded the eventuality of grey body hair appearing as a feature of my sex life. A couple minutes into our first naked-together time, and I thought his clipped salt-and-pepper chest was the best thing I'd ever seen. It's amazing how quickly one can revise one's preferences in these matters.

So now occasionally I take the clippers to mine, including the grey ones. I had my back waxed once, which resulted in a bacne attack so severe I skipped morning swim-dates with a friend for 2 weeks. Never doing that again.

Nose hair doesn't bother me because it makes itself known so easily, but ear hair is evil. Those devils can grow long enough to flap in the breeze before you ever notice they need tending-to.


Posted by: Swope FM | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 1:30 PM
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Hugh Jackman is definitely sexy, but I'm boycotting him after he danced to 'Blurred Lines' on the Graham Norton show. I sold my Wolverine DVD, and have somehow avoided Les Mis since then. I'm doing OK as long as no one mentions him, you bastards.

I'm trying to remember which young-ish actor I have seen in the recent-ish past with both a hairy and a shaved chest, in different things. I should have written it down at the time or something. It gave me hope that being hairy is starting to be allowed again.

(When I'm not out sexually harassing men, I'm being a student nurse, currently on placement on a men's ward. Had a cyclist in today with a pneumothorax and various bruises and scrapes. Offered him painkillers, and suggested rule 5 as an alternative.)


Posted by: asilon | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 1:58 PM
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You have gender-separated hospital wards?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 2:03 PM
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asilon:

Was this public knowledge!? Or did I just miss it?

Congrats!


Posted by: will | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 2:08 PM
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but I'm boycotting him after he danced to 'Blurred Lines' on the Graham Norton show

That struck me as more of Graham Norton's fault than Jackman's. But, well, I like Mr. Jackman.


Posted by: Parenthetical | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 2:09 PM
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Wait, hold on, remembered the scene incorrectly. (Sorry, that was like a trinity of hot men for me). Carry on in your boycott!


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Some are, some aren't. The mixed wards have single sex bays, and don't put men and women in the same room. The only way into our ward is to walk through the equivalent female ward, so they're just different ends of one big ward really.


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156 - I think I've mentioned it before, but thanks, I'm really enjoying it.


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Everybody doesn't get their own room?


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161: Only the crazy Canadians are doing that for infection control purposes. But that's the origin of the term semi-private room. You have a roommate or 2 but aren't in a big long ward.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 2:25 PM
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suggested rule 5 as an alternative

I know what rule 34 is, but what's rule 5?


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 2:30 PM
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43: That's not surprising. Just the SF-East Bay "core" alone has Muni, BART, AC Transit. Then you add the other 5? 10? agencies. Caltrain, GGT, SamTrans, VTA, ACE, West Contra Costa, ferry operators, etc.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 2:37 PM
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Rule 5: harden the fuck up.


Posted by: Charlie W | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 3:04 PM
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That's not really selling national health care very well.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 3:17 PM
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and have somehow avoided Les Mis since then

Russell Crowe's pitchless bellowing wasn't incentive enough?


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 3:20 PM
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165: These are new to me.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 3:40 PM
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That reminds me. I really should see Master and Commander.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 4:00 PM
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Gandalf's eyebrows stuck out as far as his hatbrim. I couldn't imagine that af a child.

(Jiminy it's hailing with thunder. Climate wierding.)

I don't get why clipped chest hair isn't poky-sharp. Is it?

My puzzle: eyebrows. Are we really supposed to be filling them in with powder? Even if not pale-haired? Looks like moleskin patches.


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I had to google Rule 5 too. The link in 165 is #4 on the page and most of the rest of the links are about baseball, but the image search is almost all cleavage and lingerie pinup photography. I'm not sure why.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 4:44 PM
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Why not?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 4:51 PM
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Vittorio Gassman as Brancaleone has the most marvelous curves added to nearly join his brows. The costumes are a stupendous example of High Crochet-Macramé.


Posted by: dairy queen | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 4:53 PM
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I don't get why clipped chest hair isn't poky-sharp. Is it?

My chest hair is soft and comforting, so probably not.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 5:01 PM
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Fuzzy Wuzzy was a Bear
Fuzzy had no hair
Fuzzy Wuzzy wasn't fuzzy
Was he?


Posted by: OutOfTheBlue | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 5:25 PM
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169- "That reminds me. I really should see Master and Commander."
Seriously - you should, best thing ever (for certain values of ever.)


Posted by: OutOfTheBlue | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 5:27 PM
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Oops - I thought you meant 'read' read Master and Commander. I have no opinion of the movie.


Posted by: OutOfTheBlue | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 5:31 PM
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The number of lines on the ship approaches reality, much closer than in other old sailing ship movies.


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||>In Pittsburgh today the weather has been deliciously springlike. Lots of sun, cloud, sun, cloud variation. Went to the Phipps and watched the changeable sky as we walked through the various climes. There is value to being involved in a 4 season environment. (I will not be jealous of our former West Coast habitation


Posted by: OutOfTheBlue | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 5:43 PM
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I get annoyed at the sun. It makes me shut my shades so I can see screen.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 5:53 PM
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I get annoyed at the sun. How could it shine down on everyone and never shine on me? How could there be
Such cruelty?


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 5:56 PM
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yabut - it's pretty some times


Posted by: OutOfTheBlue | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 5:56 PM
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PS - 181 - take your hat off?


Posted by: OutOfTheBlue | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 5:59 PM
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Not sure if 142.1 is a joke, but it happened so often the Simpsons had a joke about it.


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I was confused by the same thing. I'm not complaining, but someone might be if I had happened to Google that at work.


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heebie, have you had your body composition checked? If your college has a health program you might be able to do it without that much expense (we have a BodPod.) I dropped a ton of weight when I started exercising after having the baby, but there was no way to keep up that kind of calorie deficit in the long term (fun while it lasted! eat all the things!), and I am back at my usual weight -- the funny thing is that it's all come on since Christmas -- I had to take a break from running due to an injury and it's like the pounds were waiting around the corner to pounce.

Anyhow, I did learn (though should probably schedule it again) that while I'm still as solid as I ever was, I'm relatively lean, which makes me feel better, and with all the crossfit you're doing, you're probably leaner if not at the weight you want.

(But god, if I had been running 35 miles a week in my 20s, I would have been so tiny. Being 35 is so weird.)


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(But god, if I had been running 35 miles a week in my 20s, I would have been so tiny. Being 35 is so weird.)

Word. The. Fuck. Up. This "thirtysomething" shit sucks.


Posted by: Turgid Jacobian | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 7:24 PM
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Hey did anyone else ever read historical fiction about the establishment of police in england?


Posted by: Turgid Jacobian | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 7:38 PM
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I read A Conspiracy of Paper which is not unrelated.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 7:56 PM
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188: Does An Instance of the Fingerpost count?


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 7:58 PM
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_Guards, Guards_


Posted by: clew | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 8:29 PM
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We really know our worth, the sun and I.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 10:32 PM
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192. Aiming to rule the earth? I thought Halford had that covered.


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 11:00 PM
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I happened to discover shortly before reading 180 and 181 that Berberian recorded "The Sun Whose Rays." As always, when she plays it straight, it's perfectly lovely.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 03-31-15 11:53 PM
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If you think your mid-30s are weird body times, let me tell you about the mid-40s when stuff actually starts breaking.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 4:59 AM
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Ok so I gave up potatoes and pasta and rice and minimised beer and did half an hour of circuits or cross training every day and after two months I'd lost 15 lbs. Now I'm eating a burger and chips, so so much for that.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 5:26 AM
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To minimize rice, when I order Chinese food, I now get the dishes with noodles.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 5:32 AM
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Anyway, the article in the OP annoyed me for various Slate-related reasons.

For example:

Right now, we know obesity is linked with certain diseases, most strongly type 2 diabetes, but as scientists are fond of saying, correlation does not equal causation. Maybe weight gain is an early symptom of type 2 diabetes.

Which is true, but deeply annoys me for reasons that shouting "correlation does not equal causation" annoys me. There's a reasonably well understood set of biological processes serving as potential causal pathways. And there's a fairly consistent pattern across several societies where food becomes suddenly more available and everybody gets heavy and diabetes. They sort of make it sound like when somebody correlates who wins the World Series and the presidential election.

Anyway, that's probably enough science for today.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 5:49 AM
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This annoys me also. That car is not "swallowed. ""Sinkhole nibbles car's tire" would be more accurate.


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. There's a reasonably well understood set of biological processes serving as potential causal pathways. And there's a fairly consistent pattern across several societies where food becomes suddenly more available and everybody gets heavy and diabetes.

I thought the carbohydrate hypothesis was pretty much the reverse of conventional wisdom though - that highly refined carbs/sugar become widely available, the composition of people's diet changes, and that drives diabetes, and increased hunger is one symptom of the whole metabolic syndrome. That it is actually an open question whether or not obesity is the cause or by-product of metabolic syndrome.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 5:58 AM
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Either way, it's "you eat too much of the wrong thing and you get less healthy."


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 6:02 AM
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Cala, that actually makes me feel a little better and optimistic. I'm definitely much more muscular than I was a few years ago, which actually goes a long way towards "cheerfully neurotic-plus-resigned" as opposed to "genuinely feeling awful". I don't think we have more than calipers here at Heebie U, but the local state U in Heebieville does have a bodpod thing.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 6:03 AM
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201: True, but in the context of why diets don't work, and doctors relentlessly prescribing people to eat less and exercise, it's a meaningful distinction.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 6:05 AM
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Like, it's exactly because scientists assumed causation that doctors are so relentless about pushing diets.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 6:06 AM
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If you think your mid-30s are weird body times, let me tell you about the mid-40s when stuff actually starts breaking

Stuff breaking and realizing that the sun is your enemy so you need an old man hat bc baseball hats look even worse.


Posted by: will | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 6:07 AM
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I think baseball hats look fine. As long as you don't do that stupid flat bill thing the kids these days do.


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I'm not sure that it is. For example, that article pointed out that it is calorie restriction, not weight loss, that can reverse diabetes 2.0. That's not saying dieting doesn't work against diabetes. It's saying dieting can work even if you don't actually lose weight.


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207 to 203 and 204.


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205: My dad's old man hat is by Sean John or something like that.


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diabetes 2.0

Diabetes 3.1 you need an uninstaller, though.


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The install wizard looks like Wilford Brimley.


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I stared and stared at this headline, thinking "I know what PIV means, but what's that acronym?"

Tense Debate as House Shifts HIV Funding to Abstinence

until it clicked. I'm an idiot.

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Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 6:49 AM
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You were thinking "fingerbang"?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 6:52 AM
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I walked into the kitchenette in the office once late at night or on a weekend, can't remember except that it was a time when only those who truly had no choice would be there, and a senior person was microwaving egg whites out of a carton.

Forgive my naivete, but what does one do with microwaved egg whites?


Posted by: Ginger Yellow | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 6:55 AM
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The female version of Richard Gere-ing?


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212, 213: H stands for Ham.


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Forgive my naivete, but what does one do with microwaved egg whites?

one eats them, if one can really call that "eating."


Posted by: Turgid Jacobian | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 6:57 AM
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So, for a couple of years I've been saying that I was curious about Crossfit, but there just wasn't a location convenient enough that I was likely to do it. I just found a convenient location that opened since the last time I looked. Heebie, talk me into this, or out of it, whichever?


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 6:58 AM
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It all depends on whether you are more afraid of diabetes or rhabdomyolysis.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 7:00 AM
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I think I'm pretty safe from rhabdomyolysis -- regardless of the coaching or social pressure, the idea that I would put out enough effort on anything to start dangerously breaking down muscle tissue seems implausible. I'm not particularly worried about diabetes, either, to be honest.


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Yes, yes! Give it a try! The people are super-insufferable, so I need sufferable people to chat with it about. Plus there's lots of fun self-tracking your stats and competing with yourself and that kind of thing.

It's highly likely that they have free community workouts that steer clear of anything remotely dangerous, which you could drop in and try. It's also likely that there's an official set of individual lessons that they'd have you do, before you started in on the real thing.

I think it took me about two months to shift from "these are too hard and I'm dreading them" to "they are not too hard anymore."

After about two years, I still do a scaled version of everything. I don't think I've ever completed an rx workout, where you use the recommended weights and so on. There's usually always something I can't do yet.


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219: I, YELMIRB DROFLIW, WILL PROTECT YOU FROM RHABDOMYOLYSIS.


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 7:05 AM
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I should semi-take that back about the people - there are a lot of people in my class who have a fun, silly side to them, and I enjoy that dynamic. But I'm glad to see a limited side to them; let's put it that way.


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Plus, I generally have much, much more energy and much less creaky and achey than I did after #2 and #3 were born. There are several factors which are hard to tease apart, but xfit has been a big one.


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221: And now I'm looking at the difference between the insanely expensive but very convenient location near work, and the much more reasonable but slightly less convenient location near home. Hrm.


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On the one hand, I'm much more likely to do something if it's really convenient. On the other hand, I'm much more likely to be able to stand the people in the cheaper location, and it's cheaper. I really should try the location near home.


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A google search for "kipping peristalsis" is a very strange mixture of markov chain spam and not-spam that is nearly indistinguishable from markov chain spam.


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171.last: It seems to be a conservative blogger thing, or possibly started that way. A couple posts in the image search link back to someone's post from 2009 about how to get hits on your blog and rule 5 is post pictures of pretty women, which has the added value of pissing off liberals and feminists.


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228 to 227.


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226: do it! do it!


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that stupid flat bill thing the kids these days do

I recently heard a cop on the witness stand describe this as, "You know, the Elmer Fudd look."


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I have emailed the info address to set up an introductory workout. If they get back to me, I'll do it. (A 1.6 mile walk to get there shouldn't keep me from it, right?)


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Hmm, the CrossFit place near me has 6 am classes, which means I could do it and be back before Lee leaves the house and just in time to wake the girls. Nia still wants to do the kids classes (which are neither dangerous nor very CrossFitty and taught by a friend of mine I trust) and so we could go together on the weekends.... I'm sort of at the point where I need to do something or sink into depressive misery and exercise I will probably hate but might be good for me would at least let me direct my hate somewhere less problematic.


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230 to 233.


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So, Heebie -- have you gotten anything out of it in terms of flexibility (which is my serious weak point. I have faith in my ability to get strong, if I work at it. I have no faith in my capacity to get limber.)?


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233: Go for it, Thorn! Exercise is a natural antidepressant, and sweatily grunting out your frustrations is therapeutic as well.


Posted by: togolosh | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 8:11 AM
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6:00 a.m.?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 8:14 AM
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I can't do anything in the evenings because I have the kids solo just about every night, although some of their evening classes have childcare. And I'm up by 6 because that's the time I have to myself before I wake them and get them ready, so in theory I could do that while being healthy and miserable and whatnot. Maybe. Maybe it would make me go to bed earlier too.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 8:20 AM
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Exercise certainly makes me get to bed earlier. It eliminates most of the phase where I'm too tired to do anything and too awake to sleep.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 8:22 AM
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have you gotten anything out of it in terms of flexibility

When mine switched ownership last year, the new guys are hugely into flexibility and supple leopard and that kind of thing. I find their approach faintly ridiculous - they have all these obscure stretches a la "today we're going to drive the tennis ball into this one tendon as you balance juuuuust so!"

Historically I think of myself as not flexible at all - by late elementary school, I was 6" away from being able to touch my toes. But I seem to be flexible enough to do everything demanded of me with pretty good form, so now I'm starting to think otherwise.

tl;dr: I'm not sure!

Oh, here's a theory: maybe running was keeping me super-inflexible, and this is nudging me towards the more flexible end of my natural range. I'm currently running maybe 1-2x a month.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 8:28 AM
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Exercise is a natural antidepressant, and sweatily grunting out your frustrations is therapeutic as well.

This is seriously true for me. I think it's what keeps me basically mellow.

I do the 6 am class, but the kids are all up by 5:30-6 anyway, so I wouldn't be sleeping more anyway.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 8:31 AM
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I find their approach faintly ridiculous - they have all these obscure stretches a la "today we're going to drive the tennis ball into this one tendon as you balance juuuuust so!"

Oh man, I was so skeptical of foam rolling/lacross ball self-massage when I started working with my trainer, but now it's my favorite thing ever. Particularly when I put my back out and with 5 minutes of work on the front of my hip I felt everything get magically better.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 8:31 AM
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Oh, here's a theory: maybe running was keeping me super-inflexible

Almost certainly true. One of the guys I train with is a distance runner, and after his big training runs/marathons he's always got way less range of motion.


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And yes, Thorn, do it! do it! I want to chat about it.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 8:35 AM
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You never see leopards running marathons, it's true.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 8:35 AM
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I might try to roller thing. A guy in the bar keeps recommending the lacross ball. I also sleep with my leg in a brace that stops my tendon from shrinking while I'm not moving my legs. That really works.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 8:36 AM
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Not in the sense of leopard-flexibility but in terms of being able to walk down stairs without doing stretches or experiencing pain. See 195.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 8:41 AM
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Hey, it would probably be a good idea to rely on this thread for medical information: my hip tends to hurt, mineshaft, often overnight but also sometimes not-overnight, possibly realted to my belt being too low or too tight, possibly related to being overweight, possibly related to something I did to myself when I used to run regularly. So: what's my solution?


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 8:42 AM
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I do find logistics defeating -- the only way that this works involves getting up earlier than I'd like to and getting into work later than I'd prefer (although you would not believe the amount of flexibility I have in terms of when I get into work in the morning. I am literally ashamed to say how late I can get in without anyone giving me a hard time about it.)


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 8:42 AM
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Oooh, I've fixed my own aching hips with the following steps:
1. not pregnant
2. sleep with a pillow between my knees (if I'm on my side) or under my knees (if I'm on my back)
3. memory foam mattress topper instead of a hard mattress
4. more or less stopped running and incorporated strength-training.

But 2 and 3 made a HUGE difference, together. Bigger than 1 and 4.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 8:45 AM
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possibly related to something I did to myself when I used to run regularly
Don't have done that?


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248: Bursitis? Do hip stretches?

That'll be $20 co-pay. Give it to the receptionist as you leave.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 8:45 AM
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Oooh, I've fixed my own aching hips with the following steps:
1. not pregnant

Done!


Posted by: Sifu Tweety | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 8:53 AM
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224: the microwaved egg whites, tout court, were a meal. Hence my despair. I'd rather, far rather, go hungry.

Anyone who is hypermobile, save yourself from many many years of excruciating pain and get a very thorough check from a SI joint and pelvic specialist PT post pregnancy, you cannot rely on your body knitting back together post birth. Thus spake Experience.


Posted by: dairy queen | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 8:57 AM
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It's probably nothing. Or nothing that will bother you in a big way until you get old-old. Try the stretching.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 8:57 AM
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254.2: Even in the absence if pain? Like it crept up later but could have been prevented?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 9:00 AM
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Talking about exercising makes me way happier than talking about dieting.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 9:01 AM
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248: Get a foam roller and a lacrosse ball.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 9:01 AM
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I seem to have fixed some pretty bad shoulder tendonitis by lots of moderate resistance training through its full range of motion. By which I mean tug-of-war with my dog.


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257: One of these days I want to try the 10,000 swing workout. (Ignore the ridiculous pictures and website design.) Only drawback is that it'll almost certainly mean taking a break from soccer, and I don't really want to do that.


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That's intense.


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Why would it require a break from soccer? Just time constraints?


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262: More energy than time. If I'm playing 2-3 times a week plus doing a pretty intense training plan on top of that, that seems like a recipe for overtraining/burnout.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 9:22 AM
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I don't understand how people get past the painful, boring, want-to-die-making phase of exercise to get to the antidepressant phase. First person to say "find a sport you love" gets beaten to death with a basketball mallet.


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It's not easy, but it does happen.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 9:31 AM
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"Find a sport you love" is obvious bullshit. The key it to remember that life is pain.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 9:32 AM
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256: Yes. In my sad experience a 1.5 inch displacement of my rich SI joint and appx same outness of left pelvic something (in different directions) started out as tightness on the right and radiating nerve pain down the left leg, neither particularly awful - at first. Add 14 years of various soft tissues compensating in cascadingly dysfunctional ways and it is constant agony in a multitude of places that is taking a lot of itself painful soft tissue work to untangle after the bones were put back in their proper places. Per the PT who first spotted the bone displacements among hypermobile women it is pretty common to knit back skewed and worth being checked out by a PT specialist about 3-4 months post partum.


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I don't understand how people get past the painful, boring, want-to-die-making phase of exercise to get to the antidepressant phase.

You start out easy so it's not painful, boring, or making you want to die. Then you start making it harder.

I wish someone would have told me that when I tried to take up running in college.


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264: I don't know either. But fine, heebie, as soon as I get over this sinus whatever and can breathe again, I'll try!


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I've decided my monthly wine bar tab will be better spent on BJJ classes, even if I end up never going.


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What works for me is a combination of ego, and willingness to be vain about objectively ridiculous accomplishments. I don't actually enjoy the exercising, but a chance to be impressed with myself for, e.g., doing a fair amount of respectable pushups, is enough to get me doing some stuff.

And Newt is very useful about demanding a running companion, although we're getting into an age bracket where I can't keep up terribly well. But if you've got someone to work out with, that can be social, at least.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 9:47 AM
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If it's not painful or making you want to die, wouldn't it be boring?


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 9:49 AM
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That implies that your life is a constant choice between boredom, pain, and the wish for death. Have I got that right?


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 9:52 AM
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I am the Schopenhauerian will!

But I meant that specifically in the context of exercise.


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Why choose one?


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What works for me in the knowledge that this great effort over a very long period of time will produce a tiny, brief burst of joy at the end unless something bad and uncontrollable happens. That's about as good as it gets.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 9:54 AM
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Is it just me, or has this thread gotten a little dark?


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 10:02 AM
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It's morning in America.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 10:03 AM
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I thought Moby was trying to transition into a thread about dating.


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I think I would be a lot better at starving myself than at exercise, but the latter seems more moral as well as socially acceptable. I don't think I've ever been impressed with myself for exercising, but maybe I could be. I was kind of impressed with the dress I made last week until I tried it on and Lee's first comment was that the hem was uneven, which it is. I'm going to make another, better dress before I fix that one. I'm only a tiny bit impressed with myself for making stupid dresses that don't even fit right, so maybe this just isn't my motivation.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 10:11 AM
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In weighing which gym to join, keep in mind that there's a huge range of quality and style as between different Crossfit gyms (there's very little quality control, and basically anyone can spend a few thousand dollars buying equipment from Rogue Fitness and get a free list of workouts from mainsite Crossfit and call it a CF box. Also real differences in community styles). I generally recommend trying to find a place run by people who have been into it since before 2010-2011; that's when it was more of a movement for fitness weirdos and less of a gold rush. But that's just a general guideline.

Also in picking locations keep in mind that IME there's a huge difference in results in how often per week you go. It's really designed for people going 5x/wk; after your first few months 3x/wk will really only let you plateau (I've largely been on a 3x/wk or less schedule for about the past year and it shows). If you go too infrequently, the "constantly varied" part gets too close to "random exercising" to produce much progress after a while.


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I don't know if morality enters into it, exactly, but practical considerations about doing yourself damage do. (Also, what did you say to Lee? "Bite me" springs to mind, as does "My hem is uneven? Your face is uneven." But I may have been spending too much time with teenagers.)


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That's not a very generous first comment.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 10:15 AM
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Five days a week? Really?


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Not in a row, optimally. And not when you're first starting. But after a few months you will want to do that. I'd recommend the place near home b/c you'll probay ultimately want to go on weekends. The workouts themselves are quite short though.


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Ack, see, I shouldn't have mentioned this because now I'm just being mean, but I think part of it is that she was afraid I'd wear it in public and she's already sort of embarrassed to be seen with me because she wants a hotter girlfriend and I am not and so on. I don't think it occurred to her to be impressed or anything like that, which is also kind of stupid because she wants constant affirmations and applause for things like actually doing a load of laundry. Hmm. Anyway, this kind of thing being pretty much constant is why I'm sort of miserable and also why I've been resistant to doing anything that would make me look more attractive.

Also, the hem was off because I hadn't brought a ruler to work that day and so rather than measure from the waist to make it even at the side seams I just measured up from the bottom by using a paper packet of pepper someone had left in the breakroom, so she was right that it's not necessarily a good look for many reasons. She was able to guess that the fabric was linen, which did please me.


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Oh man, I was so skeptical of foam rolling/lacross ball self-massage when I started working with my trainer, but now it's my favorite thing ever. Particularly when I put my back out and with 5 minutes of work on the front of my hip I felt everything get magically better.

I am very interested. How do you do this? And is there any way to do the same when you get wry neck-type spasms?


Posted by: Turgid Jacobian | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 10:22 AM
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she's already sort of embarrassed to be seen with me because she wants a hotter girlfriend and I am not and so on

Oh, well, in that case!


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 10:22 AM
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To Smearcase, you need a coach or a trainer or a really dedicated group of people. It's that simple. "Find a sport that you love" is bullshit unless you are already into loving sports. You need someone or a group to help push you through the inevitable suck and make it a habit/source of pride. Can't do it alone.


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One thing that pisses me off is I was doing ok with Couch to 5k for a minute, like I went from being a sweaty panting mess after a 90 second run to being an equally sweaty but not moreso mess after a five minute run, and then I 1) lost interest because running is boring and improvement or no it's still uncomfortable and 2) I developed maybe Plantar's fasciitis. Foot pain anyway. So that's right out.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 10:33 AM
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I am very interested. How do you do this? And is there any way to do the same when you get wry neck-type spasms?

Which part, foam rolling for back problems? That was a matter of getting one of these (you could use a rolling pin instead), sticking it up against my hip while sitting down, then leaning forward and very gently rolling back and forth over the hip flexor. You might have to vary the angle a bit, or go up or down, but eventually you will find a very sensitive spot. Massage that with the roller. Seriously, it was insane how quickly the muscles in my back released and how much better the pain got.

The basic principle with foam rolling and lacrosse balling in general is the same: find a sore spot, then roll back and forth until it feels better. That might take a few sessions (and it can be unbelievably painful to start) but it's crazy how well it works.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 10:43 AM
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It does work for some people, let a hundred flowers bloom, etc., there are real anti-depressive benefits to running, you can see progress and get addicted quickly, but I feel like "oh you should just start running" is the exercise curse for middle-aged people. Oh you got injured? Yeah no shit that's what running all the time does if you're over 30. Plus as a middle aged Americano it's so overwhelmingly likely that lack of core strength and flexibility are bigger daily fitness issues for you than cardio ability, so you're working the least important exercise parameter exclusively. I'm not going to go the full Megan and say just do strength exclusively, I do think the mood-enhancing benefits of cardio are real and no one wants to wheeze, but running every day or multiple times a week is not actually that great for you and it's lame that it's the middle ager's exercise default.


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I developed maybe Plantar's fasciitis.

I Rule 5'ed that. Maybe that was a mistake.


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290: I've actually thought that weight training might work well for you. It's very easy to start light and work your way up (so you avoid the painful and difficult parts) and you're learning new things rather than just plodding along doing the same thing for half an hour or more, so it's less boring. (Or at least I find it less boring.)


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 10:47 AM
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It's really designed for people going 5x/wk; after your first few months 3x/wk will really only let you plateau

This is only kind of true. I've been 3x/wk the whole two years, and I make very slow, steady, incremental progress. But this summer I'm planning on ramping it up and see what happens.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 10:50 AM
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Anyway, I'm sticking to running twice a week. I feel so much better and having a resting pulse below 60 makes me feel less heart-attacky.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 10:51 AM
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Didn't we decide long ago that swimming was the best exercise?


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Pool water fucks with my hair.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 10:53 AM
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Also let me put in a plug for Dan John and StrongFirst. Both of them have very straightforward, sensible, no-macho-bullshit approaches to training. (Dan John is the guy who came up with the 10,000 swing challenge.) It's kind of the exact opposite of CrossFit.


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I like running because it's one of the only times I really listen to music. In the car or at home cooking/cleaning/etc., it's all public radio, all the time. So unless I'm specifically learning a song to play it, or playing music myself, I don't listen to music much. Unless I'm running.


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298: Cranial, chest, or back?


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shave it off


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In the car or at home cooking/cleaning/etc., it's all public radio, all the time

That's a trick you're playing on yourself so that you'll like running. Clever!


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 11:00 AM
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Running sucks.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 11:00 AM
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Just ask Jim Fixx.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 11:01 AM
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Dude unless you're literally working for Greg Glassman (they had a falling out) Dan John is huge in the Crossfit world and has been for years, his style is a big part of training in most older gyms. I mean sure if you just go to some random just-established place full of bros that does the free main site workout that's not great but otherwise what the fuck are you talking about.


Posted by: TRO | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 11:09 AM
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And OMG are you really claiming that a site run by Pavel Tsatsouline is free of "macho bullshit"? Are you high?


Posted by: TRO | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 11:11 AM
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305: Ha, I was just about to make that joke but with Micah True.


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 11:12 AM
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I've recently started going to a climbing gym. It's fun enough that doing it feels like entertainment instead of exercise, but it's "exercise" enough that I can't yet even do it for very long at a time because within 30-45 minutes I'm completely spent. Also, I'm still at the newbie stage of absolutely tearing the shit out of my hands every time. I'm starting to build calluses, but not yet enough. Anyway, I hope those points will get better soon. Overall: highly recommended.


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 11:14 AM
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306, 307: You would know better than I but I have a hard time picturing any CrossFitter saying

For the next forty workouts, pick five lifts. Do them every workout. Never miss a rep, in fact, never even get close to struggling. Go as light as you need to go and don't go over ten reps for any of the movements in a workout. It is going to seem easy. When the weights feel light, simply add more weight.

And that's what I mean by "no macho bullshit". Both Pavel and Dan John are really good about emphasizing that you can do strength training that doesn't fuck you up for your day-to-day life and that you don't need to go balls-out every time. That was something I definitely didn't get from the CrossFit box I went to. But like I said, you know more about that subculture than I do.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 11:35 AM
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Also fuck all of this, just go get a copy of The Strongest Shall Survive and tell CrossFit, Pavel, and Rippetoe to get bent.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 11:45 AM
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310 -- a lot of the better CF gyms have "barbell clubs" that use that kind of programming, as an add on to the regular CF programming. And e.g. regular deadlift days at better CF gyms are designed as responsible strength building and/or Dan John style Oly lift training, not fucking go crazy fuck it. There are also fucking go crazy workouts but they are designed for different things and use light weight, not progressive strength training.


Posted by: Tim "Ripper" Owens | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 12:09 PM
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And, also, IME but also from talking to my gym owner about marketing, the fucking go crazy fuck it workouts are generally also more popular with women, not men, because they favor cardio and bodyweight movements. To the extent there's movement away from basic strength training stuff at CF gyms it's mostly driven by the desire to attract customers who are turned off by heavy lifting, not macho bros who want to max out weights.


Posted by: Tim "Ripper" Owens | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 12:15 PM
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Yeah, 310 is ridiculous. My xfitters are peak-obnoxious, and there is zero macho-max-out bullshit. It's just not a macho steroid environment.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 12:19 PM
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They're obnoxious the way people obsessed with yoga or meditation or Jesus are obnoxious, not because the content itself is bad.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 12:21 PM
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Smearcase, I feel like you've given up on the joys of physicality too soon.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 12:21 PM
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I mean, I hate exercise. I'm horrible at it. I enjoy sports but I rarely push myself. But there are moments when I do, when I am, however briefly, completely present and aware of nothing but my body (sprinting, for me, or striking a punching bag), and it feels amazing.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 12:26 PM
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Lots of thoughts!

1) Hypermobility + SI joint + pregnancy = man, I should have seen the sports doc at my 6 week postpartum checkup. It's taken PT + a lot of supple leopard nonsense to get my pelvis realigned. Google MYRTL routine; it helps a lot. Also single-legged strength exercises.
2) I am running now because with my schedule, I wouldn't be doing more than random exercising if I pursued lifting, because it would be so much harder to make it to the gym consistently. (This annoys my friend the powerlifter, because she thinks I'd be good at it if I had time.) Running I can do at 5:45AM. It keeps me in shape, gives me time to myself as the Calabat can't catch me yet. If I were just choosing exercise based on being fit and awesome weightlifting plus some half-assed circuit training would do it (but with fewer carbs.)
3) IME, running makes me less flexible. I am very flexible for a runner, which means I'm slow.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 12:39 PM
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Mallory Ortberg has a particularly good one of her "Two Monks" posts.

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Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 12:42 PM
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not because the content itself is bad

I'm willing to accept I'm wrong, but let's not get carried away here.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 12:53 PM
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Do I have to watch the video?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 12:56 PM
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No, I think just the phrase "kipping handstand push-up" gets the point across.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 1:03 PM
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Is one of the monks named Jonathant?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 1:03 PM
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I've been having good luck with jogging. (I'm up to about 8K.) I haven't gotten injured, which I attribute to luck, or more realistically my superior lifestyle choices. The boringness is tolerable though only because there are a bunch of side-streets and alleys near me and I can go a different way each time. Plus sometimes I jog through the woods in the dark for the thrill of not being murdered or hunted down by a pack of coyotes.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 1:05 PM
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323: hahaha no. Common misconception.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 1:07 PM
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I'm warming to Pratchett. It's hard to resist the tourist calling not-Stonehenge "ethnic".


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 1:13 PM
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322: We actually had that on the menu in class today. Sort of. Wednesdays is gymnastics day. He did expressly say that we weren't doing the kipping kind today, just the regular handstand push ups, but usually kipping makes things easier, so. There were a few people who could really do them. I did a scaled version with my feet on a box.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 1:14 PM
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I'm warming to Pratchett.

Yay! I too found I needed a bit of warming, back in the day, but once I warmed, it stuck.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 1:15 PM
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There is a corner of the gym I go to where all the trainers congregate with their victims for the ludicrously ill-advised exercises faddish this month. I regularly see totally out of shape people new to the place puffing their way through moves that would be challenging for basically fit office workers, with a total disregard for form but lots of EFFORT. I call it "The Back Injury Corner."

Cala, so glad you got things sorted! You mentioned some hip pain soon is after birth that made go "Nooooooooo! Deal with it NOW STAT RED CODE ALARM!" Once you have the time to do so I've found strength training very useful for dealing with hypermobility, especially being able to target creating strength to stabilize particular joints.


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327: CrossFit really does seem to hate people's shoulders. I wonder sometimes if they're in league with a bunch of orthopedic surgeons.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 1:30 PM
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Why is a handstand push up any worse for your shoulders than an overhead push with a barbell or dumbbells?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 1:34 PM
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You're actually pushing the entire Earth away.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 1:45 PM
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Beer costs more on United than Southwest, but there's tv.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 1:51 PM
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This thread is making me exhausted today. A couple of (potentially contradictory) thoughts:

1) To the OP, I tend to be hairy, and only trim body hair very occasionally (and resentfully). I just don't see why it should matter. I do, however, understand the reason why trimming nose hair is a good thing, but I'm still not very consistent about doing so.

2) Normally the discussions of exercise routines make me wonder, "who has the time?" Today I just think, "who has the mental energy. I often appreciate the diet and exercise threads because I learn something. Even if I have no intention of implementing most of the suggestions it's nice to have a sense of the landscape of what people are trying. Today it all just sounds exhausting.

3) In that mood, I feel like what can be annoying about the various diet/exercise arguments is that it feels like the rhetorical style of people arguing about various get-rich-quick schemes: "The key is to invest in the [X] sector", "If you try that you're just going to lose all your profits to fees." "Don't miss this opportunity!!!" . . .

The appeal of the advice, "just invest in simple, broad, low-cost mutual funds" it's both sound financial advice and a way to not spend any more mental energy thinking about investments. I feel like I've adopted that approach in my own attitude towards diet/exercise ("eat reasonably well, try to avoid any really bad habits, incorporate moderate levels of exercise into my daily routines and go to the gym a couple times a week for a moderate-intensity work-out.").

As I said, most of the time, I can enjoy reading about the various people here who have gotten into Crossfit or some other exercise plan, but today, in my tired state, it feels hectoring.


Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 2:20 PM
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We love you even when you are hairy and haven't gone to the gym, NickS.


Posted by: will | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 4:41 PM
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My sister wants me to do this insane bike race with her this summer, which would take a lot of training. On the one hand, exercise is basically all that keeps me from crazy bleak depression, so it'd probably be a good thing to commit to that. On the other hand, 240km and 5500m climbing is just completely insane. And on the third hand, I feel like maybe strength training would be more useful in everyday life.


Posted by: x.trapnel | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 4:42 PM
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Do it! Everybody go nuts!


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 4:43 PM
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We love you even when you are hairy and haven't gone to the gym, NickS.

I swear, I wasn't trying to kill the thread. But thanks.

On the other hand, 240km and 5500m climbing is just completely insane.

That sounds like a bad idea, but apparently I'm the voice of sloth right now.


Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 4:48 PM
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331: kipping in general is bad for shoulders. Same with CrossFit-style kettlebell swings. My understanding is that most people don't have the range of motion to do either safely.

And plus, when was the last time you got anywhere close to passing your bodyweight? Personally, I max out at 16kg single-arm.


Posted by: Josh | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 4:50 PM
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So, United charges $25 a checked bag. But, when the plane is full, they know this will result in too much shit in the overhead bins. So they make it free to gate check your bag to its destination. So far, I get it. Late capitalism and declining rents. What I don't get is why they didn't offer the freebie to me thirty minutes earlier when I was at the check-in counter. They couldn't have learned that much new information about the fullness of the flight in that time.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 4:56 PM
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It is true that the CF style KB swings can fuck you up for not much benefit, I've unilaterally decided to do exclusively Russian-style for that reason (gym policy is neutral on this issue one way or the other). Kipping hand stands -- probably not super-safe but I've never heard of anyone actually getting injured from them and it's an easy way to get inversion which is fun and has benefits beyond just strength building.


Posted by: Tim "Ripper" Owens | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 5:03 PM
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I mean, that's on the assumption that you can do a regular hspu. If that's failing, obviously you shouldn't be doing a kipping hspu.


Posted by: Tim "Ripper" Owens | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 5:18 PM
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Will somebody point me to the thread where people suggested who or what to follow on twitter, please?


Posted by: Von Wafer | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 5:32 PM
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How are Xfit kettle bell swings any different from the ones described in the 10,000 challenge?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 5:38 PM
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Seems like the xfit ones go to 11 (well, really 12), while the 10k challenge ones seem to be the russian-style, goes to 9-9:30.


Posted by: Turgid Jacobian | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 5:44 PM
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343: Just follow Kotsko and as many Crooked Timber people as you can stand. Plus, all Paterno family members, for the local angle.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 5:44 PM
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So i got my lazy self to swim practice. Thanks for the motivation, people.

Shame is good motivation.

Kettle bells provide a great bang for your buck, done correctly. (Like TRO said, Russian style, not CF.)


Posted by: will | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 5:44 PM
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After following the various people here, of course.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 5:50 PM
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Huh, they always have us just go to 9. The line I always hear is that you shouldn't be using your arms at all.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 5:51 PM
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Instead we bite it with our teeth.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 5:52 PM
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343: Just follow Carly Fiorina and everything will be fine.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 5:52 PM
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Then you go to a good gym.


Posted by: TRO | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 5:52 PM
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I just saw a plane painted "Continental Airlines" which I thought didn't exist any more.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 5:59 PM
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353: I know this one... There was a landing gear hanging from the handle of your car door when you got home, right?


Posted by: Turgid Jacobian | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 6:01 PM
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If you like going fast and getting tired but don't want to fuck yourself up running, cycling is a really good low cost alternative. (And swimming but swimming is probably more difficult because you need a pool and all that shit.)

While it's true that strength/flexibility are probably more immediately useful, I have this folk-belief that cardio is probably more important long run. No idea if this is true or not in reality.

Running on concrete all the time is also kinda crappy - grass/trail is so much nicer.


Posted by: Keir | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 6:02 PM
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The problem with cycling is the virtual certainty of being hit by a car.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 6:13 PM
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It's a sort of paleo, connecting with the veldt experience - fleeing from the large things that just want to crush you.


Posted by: Keir | Link to this comment | 04- 1-15 6:20 PM
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345 gets it right. If you want to put the bell overhead (which you should! it's awesome!), either do a press or a snatch. But even if you're snatching, all of the power comes from the hips anyway.


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248: suspenders.

Smearcase, walking? To the library, the grocery, the park with a good view?


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