And you were able to resist making a Chachi joke? Congratulations.
Actually, would an 18 year old have any idea what you were talking about?
Although this says that Joni had the same run roughly as Joanie. For some reason, Joni seems perkily 90s to me and Joanie seems be-clogged and macrame-ed 70s.
Perhaps because those Joanie's were actually named Joan?
Naming people with the diminutive of a name is pretty recent to my mind.
Joan/Joanie seems a little old-fashioned but not distractingly to me. Ethel or Mildred would be distracting.
I don't see how 3 is informative. These are all the same trend.
I think of Joan/Joanie as more mid-century, because it was my grandmother's name. And, like, Joan Crawford.
Ethel or Mildred would be distracting.
Dude have you even seen a SWPL preschool?
Nah, Ethel or Mildred would be the oddball end of all the Sophies and Madeleines and Lillies. An unpopular name from a popular time period.
Whereas Joanie is like Pam or Linda - those short basic names that nobody is reaching for anymore.
The Canadian singer/songwriter is the only Joni I can think of, although that "don't fall off the mountain" figure may also have that name, come to think of it. Both 60s figures, which means they were named in the late 40s.
Joanie Caucus and Joni Mitchell, both feel otally 70s to me in a good way. Now I'm kinda regretting not using Joanie as a name.
or Barb. I'd be distracted by a college student named Barb.
The only form of that name that has a different pattern is Joanna, which peaks in the 80s.
6: "Joan" hit a peak (a far higher peak than "Joanie" or "Joni") in the 1920s and 30s and started to die out in the 1960s. "Joni" didn't even pick up until the 40s. So, if some women named Joan went by Joanie, they would have been older than the women you know growing up named Joni.
11: Why not? You switch the name you use all the time.
One of Iris' oldest friends is Milly, but now I can't recall if it's short for Mildred. Still, unimaginably old-fashioned 20 years ago.
I'm sure I've said before that we gambled and won wrt Iris' name: neither Lily-common nor Ethel-outlying.
Actually, how old is Joanie Caucus supposed to be now. She was already a mom/housewife when she went to Boalt (I'm sorry, "Berkeley Law," fuck you academic marketing idiots) and lived with Ginny and Clyde. So, say, 32 in 1974, born in 1942?
I think the Millies that I know are short for Amelia.
Let Me Wikipedia That For Myself. She was born in either '35 or '38.
"On March 3, 1974 Joanie, applying to law school, gives her birthdate as July 21, 1935[3] but in a January 2009 appearance, Joanie describes herself as a 70-year-old retired civil servant born in 1938. "
I think the little-kid Millies I know are Millicents.
20: Really? I've never heard that outside of Harry Potter. And she was from Team Evil.
There's a Millicent on Freaks and Geeks.
I always figure I should never watch a show that can't get to at least it's third season.
20: Great, Alex Doonesbury has twins and a Ph.D. She has given me an inferiority complex since she was born.
I've encountered several SWPLs of my generation who are naming their children "Edie", a name which seems well into Millicent/Ethel territory.
I am hoping that they are naming their children for Magneto's mother but I suspect it's a Grey Gardens thing.
Also, there is/was a clothing line for cute young wealthy women about New York called Millie. IIRC, they had some rather nice coats most years.
I was completely surprised when people started naming their boys Logan or Xavier. I don't appreciate comic books as an art form.
29: A friend has a kid named Logan. They have three kids whose names all have the same vowel pattern, so I'm fairly sure it wasn't an intentional nod to the comic book. Although maybe it was.
This Doonesbury nostalgia is taking me back. I was never a fan, but my dad was. He'd read it out to me, or otherwise talk about it.
I recently watched Grey Gardens, having long felt lame for not having done so, and thought it was appalling. Is there any non-creepy, non-voyeuristic appeal?
32: Not to go all Margot Tenenbaum but I can't even begin to think about knowing how to answer that question.
18 gets it right. In this case, anyway.
32: We only got halfway through (I think AB fell asleep, we never picked back up), but IIRC there's legit positive interest in some of their stories. That is, there'd be something interesting there even without the decay and squalor.
To the OP, Joni would also strike me as marginally less surprising. Mitchell is still a touchstone, whereas there's no nondated frame for Joanie.
I guess that Mad Men fans will eventually create more Joans and the cycle of diminutives will begin afresh.
I am now having children just so I can name both of them Edie. And feed one of them more.
There must be the odd Zelda or two in Brooklyn, right? Twin to Zoltan?
There've been Mathildes and Blondines at the kid's school, also of course Xaviers but in that context they don't count. Hippolyte, now that would count.
3: my brother-in-law Jack is the fourth of his name. Not sure if that counts as a diminutive.
I think Gaston would count as well.
I found Grey Gardens unwatchable too. Not sure why, I like decay and making fun of imbecilic wealthy people.
39: there's an odd Zelda just down the street from us. She's eight.
St. Joanie of Arc. Very current with the Pope's upcoming visit.
I found Grey Gardens unwatchable too. Not sure why, I like decay and making fun of imbecilic wealthy people.
Maybe you didn't like the part where they weren't imbecilic and the movie wasn't making fun of them.
I only got through maybe the first 20 minutes, sure seemed like they were being made fun of plus some variant of imbecilic. Maybe there is a change in narrative!
30: ...Rohan? Johanne? Bogan? Vogon?
I have dug holes and pits in the Sedgwick ranch.
I ended up with the a variant of the reaction I had to that Serial thing, they are both great arguments for fiction. Yay to using made up people to explore fucked up bits of human experience!
Evangeline seems to be the "angel" name replacing Angela and Angelina, both of which are hard to imagine cropping up now. My sister and I have managed to find three little kid names we haven't seen replicated among other small kids yet. Hers are very unusual; mine was more like "Joan".
I wonder if Jolie is more popular than Angelina. But I only wonder semi-ironically and do not want to know for realz.
Also OMG IS MINESHAFT A PUN ON GEMEINSCHAFT. ? it took many years for this to occur to me.
Should be more Anglo boys named Angel. "We paint the angels fair..."
49: Eldest is Owen, baby is Nolan. I was suprised at the baby's name. I guess it's been long enough that it can be a regular name without everyone thinking of Nolan Ryan.
This year my wife has a student whose first name is America.
Work baby is named "Odin" -- seeing as I am the grandson of someone named after a Norse god, I don't suppose I can really afford to cast aspersions.
I don't see the problem.
I know a baby named Oðin, but his parents are not just dangerously hip but actually Icelandic.
Is that like when a Mexican family names a kid Jesús?
Dangerous Icelandic hipsters don't lie.
As the parent of two preciously named children I decline judgement.
We followed the traditional system of taking one name from the Wealsey family and one the steam engines on Thomas the Tank Engine.
Like "Ginevra Thomas Hick"?
Classy!
You could also do "Arthur Arthur" and "Molly Molly" if you include recurring steam engines.
It beats the only known alternative system, one name from a defendant at Nuremberg and one from a guest on Sábado Gigante.
I thought that was the Porno Name?
Like the long-term parking caganers?
A kid in front of my on a flight was named Adonis. That's some confidence there.
Redfoxtailshrub's 47 is so very right. I don't know this movie you other people watched. I found it poignant and deeply humane. Maybe you saw it in a theater filled with cackling 20-something Williamsburg hipsters?
As the parent of two preciously named children I decline judgement.
Nah, you guys picked good names.
Actually, would an 18 year old have any idea what you were talking about?
At this point I don't think you could reasonably assume someone in their thirties would know what you were talking about if you referenced that show.
Watched it at home. Although you've probably put your finger on it. Too many years of reading references to it in the fashion press.
Speaking of Maysles documentaries and the fashion press did you see his last fillm, Iris? I haven't yet and heard it was supposed to be one of his best.
Well we like them but don't have any illusions that they aren't a wee bit twee.
Lance McHuge Balls is still available.
Ted Mosby IS Lance Hardwood: Sex Architect
"How I met your mother" had some good moments.
To the media, he was Lance McHuge Balls. To the police, he was an habitual criminal. But, to us, he was just dad.
Elementary school in Seattle is quite the explosion of name fads and unusual names. There are 2 other Persephones at M & Ps school. No other Morpheus yet. Just met a Peregrine with a younger sibling Lysander at Kindergarten orientation potluck. I'm almost sad that I didn't get to use the 4 more names we had picked out (but also not because 2 is a good amount of children) Any worry that my kids would be picked on for their unusual names seems pretty farfetched - not that I really worried about it to begin with.
80: Is that because he changed his name to "Lance McHuge Ball" after the cancer surgery?
We've a family justification for Peregrine, also Percy. But alas the teenagers ended up picking the kid's first name.
Haven't seen Iris yet, it's on my list. Looking forward to it, she's much more robust as a subject so don't anticipate the same (perhaps unjustified) ick factor.
NMM to Oliver Sacks. I just read his memoir On the Move earlier this week. He lived a strange and interesting life.
87 Damn. I never read any of his books but I think I've read every single essay of his he wrote for the NYRB and a handful for other places and greatly enjoyed them all. RIP.
Grey Gardens is definitely hard to watch. I recommend watching it after watching a documentary about some even crazier people, like the Henry Darger one. Then they will seem delightful and vibrant.
49: Eldest is Owen, baby is Nolan. I was suprised at the baby's name. I guess it's been long enough that it can be a regular name without everyone thinking of Nolan Ryan.
Nolan Ryan, current age 68? I think so.
Hey, lurid keyaki, in case you didn't see what I said about student visas, end of this thread:
http://www.unfogged.com/archives/comments_14842.html
"Hello, this is Joanie, I'm sorry, it's 1978.
I guess it's been long enough that it can be a regular name without everyone thinking of Nolan Ryan.
Instead, they will associate it with Nolan Reimold, crappy left fielder for the Orioles.
A neighbor of ours has an eight-month-old named Iris. The under-fives in our family or social group also include a Lily, Alexandra, Romare, Jane, Julie, and Robert. Surprisingly normal overall considering how many other markers of hipsterhood we have.
Thank you emir! It looks like the admission will be postponed until next fall, but I appreciate your input a lot, and sorry I missed it (I've been traveling).