Unlike OIS it's probably not possible to get it to zero, because medical stuff will happen, but it still deserves plenty of investigation. The big England/Wales commission report extends to 12 road traffic fatalities, 11 deaths in police custody, 68 apparent suicides following police custody, and 39 other deaths following police contact.
Especially horrifying though because he was being held on charges of shoplifting from a convenience store, though.
I could have written this.
It seems like there should be a rule that, at your bail hearing, the prosecutor says the max sentence they would ask for if guilty, and if you can't make bail but you pass that max possible sentence bail drops to zero. But HAHAHA soft on criminals, would never happen.
I'm guess in this case there was some complicating factor about involuntary mental treatment commitment, but obviously the headline is that someone was in jail 4 months for not finding $5.
Unlike OIS it's probably not possible to get it to zero
I really am curious as to how people think this is possible in this country. Chicago alone is about a week away from hitting 2K shootings for the year.
I'm guess in this case there was some complicating factor about involuntary mental treatment commitment
That was my reading. He couldn't be released on bail or anything. He was a threat to himself and needed care. As indeed he was and indeed he did.
Nearly 2k officer involved shootings in one city. Might as well declare it an official war.
7: Did that not sound ridiculous to you as you typed it? 2k shootings citywide. CPD has shot maybe a dozen people so far this year, with four fatalities.
8: 2k sounds really high. Even in the very violent years in Boston, I don't think it got anything close to that -even adjusted for population size. We just had 4 people shot yesterday too.
11: Really? I could have sworn he died 2 years ago. Huh.
I think gswift is basically correct: There's no way to get OIS down to 0, and part of that is the fact that white America has exported a huge amount of violence to the Black community, and that's not going to be easy to redress.
Because social conditions are 100% unamenable to change in the long term?
Come on, I'm not talking next year.
15: Next year, the year after that, 1,000 years from now -- it doesn't make a difference. Civilization is in a steep decline. Radical social change is not possible. The best we can hope for is that the very slightly ameliorative effects of private charity could be expanded a little bit over time.
I think zero fatalities when the suspect isn't armed seems like a stretch, but possible. Zero overall is utopian. There's people what need to be shot.
Leaving that to private charity would make for more interesting fundraising.
I call dibs on the American Red Crosshairs.
Wounded Warrior Proj...oh, wait.
The Veteran's Administration ... Of Death.
13: He wrote a piece in the New York Times about his terminal cancer only this past February.
12: Heh.
A bigger nerd than you put this on another thread first, but I was too sober to picture somebody masturbating to a hat when that was posted.
OT: Barney Frank wrote a piece in which he argued that Progressives shouldn't vote for Bernie Sanders in the Primary. I'm anticipating that Clinton will win the nomination, and I'll vote for her, but I kind of like the idea of voting for Bernie. Totally crazy? Anyone else thinking of voting for him?
29 Our primary is in June, and so it will all be over by then. I'm definitely considering voting for BS, as an Overton thing.
What's the downside of voting for Bernie?
He might be a deep-cover Hitler 2.0.
People are worried that the eventual Democratic nominee's failure could be summarized by the film "Weakened at Bernie's".
Office of International Services? Online Integrated Solutions? Overnight Indexed Swaps? Optical Image Stabiliser?
If it's going corporate, United Fruit is traditional.
29: Is it one of those "electability" arguments that were so aggravating in 2004? I don't see what would be problematic about voting for Sanders in the primary. Clinton doesn't seem especially threatened at this point so there's no reason to feel the need to vote for her more than once, and if she was threatened by Saunders it wouldn't be a bad thing.
What's the downside of voting for Bernie?
Do we really want to live in a world where the socialist bores of the '70s hold sway? If you can even call that living.
43: Is there a FlipUniverse in which the U.S. was ruled by socialists in the 1970s? If so, can I go there?
If I want to remember the '70s, I picture Bernie Sanders' face crushing a boot -- forever.
Free to Be You and Me is in there somewhere.
Obviously, or I wouldn't hate them so damned much.
50: My impression was you were too young to have been aware of politics for much of the 1970s -- obviously I'm too much of a gentlemen to ask you directly how old you are.
51: So much of a gentleman that the plural is actually appropriate.
28 A bigger nerd than you put this on another thread first
Hey!
Flip is so old he used to buy blocks of ice from a cart to freeze his jeans, until the 70s when the socialists melted them with hot air.
54: Nobody more polite stuck up for you.
NMM to Mount McKinley by that name.
I feel confident that I speak for all Ohioans that aren't Republican politicians, when I say that, no, we aren't upset or insulted.
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NMM to Time Cube. The Internets just got a little less crazy. If that were possible.
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Ah, Time Cube guy! He will be missed. Truly, he was not of an age.
29: Wait. Dammit. Barney Frank and Bernie Sanders are two different people. Dammit. What.
Turns out that zfs is awesome enough that I could easily do what had to be done, nvm