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I know there's a large Eritrean community in Columbus, OH, also home to plenty of community colleges and universities. I'd wonder if looking at a place like that where there's already an established diaspora might help.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 11-18-15 7:49 AM
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I second Thorn. Also, does he have a particular reason he wants to go to school in the US? Wouldn't it be cheaper in Europe?


Posted by: J, Robot | Link to this comment | 11-18-15 8:01 AM
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There are a number of resources that can help someone with postsecondary training from abroad who wants to continue their education and/or transfer foreign credentials and enter into a American career.

The Welcome Back Initiative (www.welcomebackinitiative.org) has 10 sites nationwide, most at community colleges, to help foreign-trained health workers re-enter their professions (or retrain for an alternative career) in the US.

WES Global Talent Bridge (www.globaltalentbridge.org) is a project of World Education Services, the oldest and one of the most respected of the nonprofit foreign credential-evaluation services. They have one-time events and other resources for foreign-educated individuals (including those who only finished secondary school, as well as those with postsecondary training). They also released a recent report "Steps to Success" that interviewed 4,000 immigrants with training from abroad to learn how they became economically successful (or why they struggled) in the US. The most important findings are: every bit of additional English matters; building social capital by connecting with Americans matters; and getting a "Made in America" addition to your resume (via short-term occupational training etc) matters.

Upwardly Global (www.upwardlyglobal.org) is a nonprofit that has 5 sites nationwide and a free online "US soft skills" training program for immigrants who have at least a bachelor's degree from abroad. Not sure if this person falls into that category or not.

Higher (formerly Refugee Works) is a technical assistance program specifically to help programs serving refugees who want to enter the US workforce. Their free resources are uneven but worth investigating.

The Community College Consortium for Immigrant Education (www.cccie.org) mostly produces reports for community colleges about how they can better serve immigrants, but their "Blue Ribbon Panel" members are colleges that are doing especially innovative work. He might want to look to see if one of their BRP members is close to him geographically.


Posted by: Not this time | Link to this comment | 11-18-15 8:02 AM
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Also, just a logistical note: If he's legally a refugee, he's not an international student, and he should definitely not pay international-student rates at whatever educational institution he attends.


Posted by: Not this time | Link to this comment | 11-18-15 8:04 AM
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Additionally, he should see how he would score on the TOEFL. ETS has an official online practice test for $50; I know that free versions are also available, but I don't know if they're reliable.


Posted by: J, Robot | Link to this comment | 11-18-15 8:05 AM
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Can I just say that 3 through 5 are unusually helpful for Unfogged!


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 11-18-15 8:13 AM
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Just trying to get the OP resolved so we can get back to cock jokes.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 11-18-15 8:45 AM
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Oops, one correction. I didn't realize he was a refugee *in Austria*. So yeah, he probably would be an international student if he came to the US.

If he were fortunate enough to have family to sponsor him, he would probably already have come here that route....


Posted by: Not this time | Link to this comment | 11-18-15 9:25 AM
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Sincere questions: What's wrong with Austria? How would coming to the US be better?


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 11-18-15 9:42 AM
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Frowner may have some ides ideas on this one.

Mpls has lots of folx from Eritrea too, plus lots of refugee immigrant infrastructure generally


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 11-18-15 9:43 AM
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On Eritrea, wow: reminds me of why many fled Imperial Russia.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 11-18-15 9:46 AM
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9: Fucking Edelweiss.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-18-15 9:59 AM
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My mother's family took in an Eritrean exchange student when my mother was in high school. She managed to attend university and graduate school here and now is a political scientist specializing in (surprise) Eritrean and Sudanese politics, among other things. Anyway, she and my mother are good friends. I can try to get in touch and see if perhaps. This was back in the 70s, though.


Posted by: Trivers | Link to this comment | 11-18-15 9:59 AM
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I had the same question as 9, and nice work 3-5 for actually providing useful information directly and up front.


Posted by: R Tigre | Link to this comment | 11-18-15 10:07 AM
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On 12, I rewatched The Sound of Music recently with my kid and was wondering at its somewhat bizarre fake Austrian nationalism, and how the movie was received in Austria. Like, "Edelweiss" isn't even a real Austrian song but was written by Rodgers and Hammerstein but they're belting it out like it's the national anthem.


Posted by: R Tigre | Link to this comment | 11-18-15 10:11 AM
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Just checked with a former immigration lawyer. If he has refugee status in Austria, then he would "count" as an Austrian in the US, which most likely includes high nternational student tuition.


Posted by: J, Robot | Link to this comment | 11-18-15 10:15 AM
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Very helpful, everyone! I'm pretty sure he's already a recognized refugee here, yes, as opposed to an applicant.

As for 'why the USA?', I'm not sure and I'll ask. It might have something to do with how restricted refugees' labor market access is here. I think I'll meet up with him tomorrow evening.


Posted by: X. Trapnel | Link to this comment | 11-18-15 10:32 AM
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Wow, everyone should read 11. I had not known Eritrea was that crazy!


Posted by: Roberto Tigre | Link to this comment | 11-18-15 10:33 AM
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I decided maybe ten years back that being fond of every country I'd visited meant nothing if there weren't any countries I didn't like. I decided, somewhat arbitrarily, to be prejudiced against Austria.. Lousy empire, crappy footballers. Useless country, never produced anything practical in any way


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 11-18-15 10:35 AM
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Hedy Lamarr?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-18-15 10:40 AM
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Anyone responding to 19 is hereby sternly enjoined to keep it entertaining and not tedious, this aside.


Posted by: Lurid keyaki | Link to this comment | 11-18-15 10:45 AM
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Austria produced Thomas Bernhard and continues to produce lots of excellent fruit distillates.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 11-18-15 10:49 AM
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I dunno, the internal combustion engine and psychoanalysis are both pretty practical in their way. I guess it gets more narrow if you limit it to non-Jewish Austrians.


Posted by: Roberto Tigre | Link to this comment | 11-18-15 10:50 AM
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My nephew recently learned about Hedy Lamarr at school for some reason (he's six, so I think an explanation of frequency hopping is likely above him).


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 11-18-15 10:50 AM
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Truly, Eritrea should be accepting refugees from Austria.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 11-18-15 10:51 AM
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23: once at a latke-hamentaschen debate a medievalist identified as two of the three worst things to emerge from the middle ages gunpowder (in the west) and the concept of romantic love. (I can't remember the third.) Perhaps in some far-future iteration of the same debate (since obviously it will continue for centuries), some scholar will say something similar about the internal combustion engine and psychoanalysis. Though I doubt psychoanalysis has much of claim against the concept of romantic love.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 11-18-15 10:52 AM
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Sachertorte is practically delicious.


Posted by: Ginger Yellow | Link to this comment | 11-18-15 10:52 AM
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Interesting Hedy Lamarr fact: her sixth and last husband was her divorce lawyer from the end of a previous marriage. Now I see will's game.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 11-18-15 10:53 AM
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Sacher-Masoch is ... also a valued and important part of Austria's contributions to world culture.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 11-18-15 10:54 AM
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24 -- It's because a sexy girl power entrepreneur of science is pretty much the apogee of the modern UMC elementary school gallery of worthies. This lego robotics class will help you found your own startup! Goldiblocks! "Young disruptors"*! Stanford!

*literal quote, as I've mentioned here before.


Posted by: Roberto Tigre | Link to this comment | 11-18-15 10:55 AM
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30 was perhaps somewhat off topic but my rant-dam isn't particularly well sealed.


Posted by: Roberto Tigre | Link to this comment | 11-18-15 10:57 AM
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You don't say.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 11-18-15 10:57 AM
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Every fall on Facebook, I see the 50 people posting about how Columbus was evil, and the 50 people posting about how great Hedy Lamarr was. I swear no annual occurrence except Memorial Day and Christmas gets as much attention from my Facebook feed.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 11-18-15 11:04 AM
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She does seem to have been the greatest Austrian actress though.


Posted by: Roberto Tigre | Link to this comment | 11-18-15 11:14 AM
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Serious question: is 29 true? I mean I know we got the name "masochism" from him, but did he add value in any other way?


Posted by: Roberto Tigre | Link to this comment | 11-18-15 11:16 AM
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35: not to my knowledge.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 11-18-15 11:21 AM
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"Young disruptors"? A disruptor is the head of a corporation employing virtually no workers, that puts other corporations which employ lots of workers out of business, right? Good luck training every child to be one of those.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 11-18-15 11:21 AM
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identified as two of the three worst things to emerge from the middle ages gunpowder (in the west)

What did they intend by that qualifier? Seeing as gunpowder didn't actually emerge in the West. It was developed in particularly horrible ways there?


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 11-18-15 11:24 AM
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I also feel like "the Troubadors invented romantic love" is total bullshit, though it's certainly something people like to say.


Posted by: Roberto Tigre | Link to this comment | 11-18-15 11:33 AM
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"Emerge" is my word.

Also, while it did not emerge onto the world stage in the west, there was a period in which it emerged in the west.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 11-18-15 11:33 AM
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I can forgive Austria quite a lot for Joe Zawinul.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 11-18-15 11:34 AM
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Wrong on gunpowder, wrong on romantic love. What else is this fucking medievalist wrong about? Bring him on here and let's go to town.


Posted by: Roberto Tigre | Link to this comment | 11-18-15 11:34 AM
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Austria: just as Nazi as Germany, but without the apologizing afterwards.


Posted by: Unfoggetarian: "Pause endlessly, then go in" (9) | Link to this comment | 11-18-15 11:37 AM
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latke-hamentaschen debate

This is now my favorite thing that I just learned about.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 11-18-15 11:38 AM
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I think 43 goes just a touch too far on both ends ("just as" isn't quite right, and there have been some apologies). But I think right now I'd rather be an Eritrean refugee in (most of) Germany than in (most of) Austria.


Posted by: R Tigre | Link to this comment | 11-18-15 12:03 PM
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42: The medievalist in question was a woman.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 11-18-15 12:06 PM
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I wouldn't have made that mistake if you'd called her a "she-medievalist." Not my fault.


Posted by: Roberto Tigre | Link to this comment | 11-18-15 12:14 PM
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So, everyone hates Mozart now?


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 11-18-15 12:19 PM
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// OT, but more fitting for Unfogged than anything I've ever seen. From an interview with the CEO of Tinder:

> He continues: "Apparently there's a term for someone who gets turned on by intellectual stuff. You know, just talking. What's the word?" His face creases the effort of trying to remember. "I want to say 'sodomy'?"

http://www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/london-life/tinder-im-an-addict-says-hookup-apps-cocreator-and-ceo-sean-rad-a3117181.html#


Posted by: Lambent Cactus | Link to this comment | 11-18-15 12:21 PM
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Or Schubert, or Mahler?

sh'medievalist is at least pronounceable.


Posted by: idp | Link to this comment | 11-18-15 12:23 PM
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35: "Venus in Furs" is in the top third of Velvet Underground songs.


Posted by: snarkout | Link to this comment | 11-18-15 12:30 PM
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Would this be th emoment to point out the recent Lex column in the FT which explained that Tinder's valuation depends on penetration?


Posted by: Nworb Werdna | Link to this comment | 11-18-15 12:46 PM
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This is a timely thread and many thanks for 3. I have a Sri Lankan cow orker whose nephew wants to study in the US, he said communications but I understand that to mean something like IT/computer science rather than media studies/PR. Originally he was going to go to some no-name for profit college in Brooklyn (started with an S IIRC but I steered him clear. He's got family in NY. But now he's focused on a CC in Oregon. Anyway, if anyone knows of a polytechnic type school in the greater NYC region that's good and affordable do drop it in comments.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 11-18-15 12:58 PM
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39: isn't it the moment in Erec et Enide when she's asked if the man she's trying to find is her lover or her friend and she replies he is her lover *and* her friend? De Troyes not a troubadour.


Posted by: dairy queen | Link to this comment | 11-18-15 1:00 PM
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Pretty sure the Tinder guys are Beverly Hills Iranian Jews. Worst people in the world not actively engaged in genocide? Right up there.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 11-18-15 1:01 PM
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55 Isn't that Ro/osh guy one of them?


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 11-18-15 1:05 PM
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If you go to the original Hapsburg castle, in Hapsburg, Switzerland, it has a list of places that are former Hapsburg possessions. It's the Netherlands, and then a long list of places which either have histories of political instability, like Spain, or are shitholes, like Texas.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 11-18-15 1:10 PM
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Yeah, I knew I was being a little overly harsh. On the other hand, I wasn't being as harsh as Bill Bryson:

Before the war there were 200,000 Jews in Vienna. Now there are hardly any. As Jane Kramer notes in her book Europeans, most Austrians now have never met an Austrian Jew and yet Austria remains the most ferociously anti-Semitic country in Europe. According to Kramer, polls repeatedly show that about seventy per cent of Austrians do not like Jews, a little over twenty per cent actively loathe them and not quite a tenth find Jews so repulsive that they are 'physically revolted in a Jew's presence'. I'd have thought this scarcely credible except that I saw another poll in the London Observer revealing that almost forty per cent of Austrians thought the Jews were at least partly responsible for what happened to them during the war and forty-eight per cent believed that the country's 8,000 remaining Jews who, I should point out, account for just a little over 0.001 per cent of the Austrian population - still enjoy too much economic power and political influence.

The Germans, however unseemly their past, have made some moving attempts at atonement - viz., Willy Brandt weeping on his knees in the Warsaw ghetto and Richard von Weizscker apologizing to the world for the sins of his country on the fiftieth anniversary of the start of the war. What do the Austrians do? They elect a former Wehrmacht officer as President.

I thought about this as I was walking from the Freud museum to my hotel along the Karl-Lueger-Strasse. At a set of traffic lights, a black limousine led by a single motorcycle policeman pulled up. In the back seat, reading some papers, was - I swear to God - the famous Dr Kurt Waldheim, the aforementioned Wehrmacht officer and now President of Austria. A lot of people aren't sure of the difference between the Chancellor and the President in Austria, but it's quite simple. The Chancellor decides national policy and runs the country, while the President rounds up the Jews. I'm only joking, of course! I wouldn't suggest for a moment that President Waldheim would have anything to do with the brutal treatment of innocent people - not these days, certainly. Moreover, I fully accept Dr Waldheim's explanation that when he saw 40,000 Jews being loaded onto cattle trucks at Salonica, he genuinely believed they were being sent to the seaside for a holiday.

For the sake of fairness, I should point out that Waldheim insists he never even knew that the Jews of Salonica were being shipped off to Auschwitz. And let's be fair - they accounted for no more than one-third of the city's entire population (italics theirs), and it is of course entirely plausible that a high-ranking Nazi officer in the district could have been quite unaware of what was happening within his area of command.

Let's give the man a break. I mean to say, when the Storm Troopers burned down forty-two of Vienna's forty-three synagogues during Kristallnacht, Waldheim did wait a whole week before joining the unit. And after the Anschluss, he waited two whole weeks before joining the Nazi Student Union. Christ, the man was practically a resistance hero. I don't know what all the fuss is about.

Austria should be proud of him and proud of itself for having the courage to stand up to world opinion and elect a man of his calibre, pugnaciously overlooking the fact that he is a pathological liar, that he has been officially accused of war crimes, that he has a past so murky and mired in mistruths that no one but he knows what he has done. It takes a special kind of people to stand behind a man like that.

What a wonderful country


Posted by: Unfoggetarian: "Pause endlessly, then go in" (9) | Link to this comment | 11-18-15 1:20 PM
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I've mentioned before that I have an irrationally extreme pro-Habsburg sentiment. If only Franz Ferdinand had lived! Otto Habsburg was in the top 1% of German-speaking leaders ever and he should totally have been in charge of things, not toppled by morons! Franz Josef reigned over an awesome multi-cultural zone of weirdos that idiots tore apart! K. und K. forever!


Posted by: Roberto Tigre | Link to this comment | 11-18-15 1:24 PM
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57-59: In the interest of orthographic compromise, we should refer to them as the Haþsburgs.


Posted by: dalriata | Link to this comment | 11-18-15 1:32 PM
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22: It would be difficult to top Thomas Bernhard in Austria-hatred.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 11-18-15 1:37 PM
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They don't deserve to have their name spelled right.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 11-18-15 1:37 PM
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58 -- yeah, but the official culture of Austria has, I think, changed extensively on the apology side since the Waldheim days of the 80s, when the narrative was exclusively that Austrians were victims. Which in turn was partly a product of the cold war. I don't think mainstream parties in Austria assert only the victim narrative anymore, though there's of course still a far right and Jorg Haider, etc. Could be wrong.

On the guilt side, the only question is whether Austria was "as bad" as Germany, not whether it was "bad" (it was!). And, of course, the evidence is that the Nazis were popular in Austria (it's always hard to tell just how "popular") and there were tons of Austrian Nazis. Still, the Austrian Nazi-affiliated parties never got anything even close to the 40% of the vote in a free election the Nazi party got in Germany, the country really did have to be taken over via military pressure from Germany to become Nazi. Also worth noting that the Austrians were much more Catholic (on average) than the Germans and thus many of them were inclined towards the Catholic sort-of tolerated sort-of resistance to many Nazi policies. This is not at all to say that Austria should not take on a very very full share of guilt for Naziism and the Holocaust, whcih it absolutely should.


Posted by: Roberto Tigre | Link to this comment | 11-18-15 1:48 PM
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Just re: universities, if he qualifies as Austrian he presumably qualifies for domestic rates in any given EU system, but in particular for the English and Scottish systems (which means free tuition in the Scottish system). So they might be an option if he was particularly looking for an English language degree but there were difficulties with the US.


Posted by: Keir | Link to this comment | 11-18-15 1:58 PM
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63.1: actually, there isn't even still Jorg Haider. Died in a car crash after which it was revealed that he was incredibly gay (and closeted. If that is the correct way to describe secretly gay fascists. Maybe 'bunkered'? )


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 11-18-15 4:36 PM
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Most Austrians are only credibly gay.


Posted by: Bave | Link to this comment | 11-18-15 4:38 PM
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Incredibly gay?


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 11-18-15 4:38 PM
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Huh I'd somehow 100% missed the Jorg Heider was gay story, and had forgotten he was dead. Austria politics credibility!


Posted by: Roberto Tigre | Link to this comment | 11-18-15 4:51 PM
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Careful, ajay! You might face serious fines!

Haider's widow, Claudia, took the German newspaper Bild-Zeitung to court for publishing interviews with a man claiming to have been Jörg Haider's lover for many years.[73] In October 2009, an Austrian court ruled it illegal for media to call Jörg Haider a homosexual because it would be "breach of personal and privacy rights." In its ruling the court threatened a fine of up to €100,000 for anybody "who claims or distributes the claim, that Jörg Haider was a homosexual and/or bisexual and/or that he has had a male lover."[73] The Graz provincial court also issued same preliminary injunctions against Bild Zeitung, the Austrian paper Österreich and the Austrian magazine News[74]


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I claim 69.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 11-18-15 5:05 PM
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Europe can be so weird. Haider led me back to Pim Fortuyn. Remember him? Gay, Dutch, anti-Muslim politician assassinated by a white guy who was outraged at the xenophobia. The assassin is already out on parole.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 11-18-15 5:16 PM
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15 I was in Austria last year, and some of the folks in my group took a day trip to Salzburg for the Sound of Music tour. It's apparently a good way to separate Americans from their money.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 11-18-15 5:18 PM
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A lot of the Catholic Church was super-Nazi. Especially in Croatia, but I thought elsewhere as well. Elements of the catholic church basically ran the underground railroad of ex-Nazis to Catholic South America. I'm not real inclined to cut Austria much slack on that front.


Posted by: Unfoggetarian: "Pause endlessly, then go in." (9) | Link to this comment | 11-18-15 5:27 PM
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Yes, but it's complicated. There was also a lot of Catholic resistance or semi-resistance, with resistance itself being a complicated concept. In general religious Catholics were not hardcore Nazis (Croatia was an exception there, in that the regime was both genocidal and heavily tied to the Catholic hierarchy).


Posted by: Robero Tigre | Link to this comment | 11-18-15 5:36 PM
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I'm now regretting that I've never brought up Haider's secret history with AB's Austrian relatives, who are lovely people without exception, and one of whom is, IIUC, a Vienna councilman for the Greens, or some such.

That said, I've never spent time in such a Catholic country, and seeing the little crucifix* shrines at each town line is a little weird.

*AB only just learned the other day the distinction between cross and crucifix. I get that this is esoteric and she was raised without religion, but it still surprised me.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 11-18-15 5:47 PM
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72: I had a blast on the Sound of Music tour. Would do it again.


Posted by: J, Robot | Link to this comment | 11-18-15 6:11 PM
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Further to 74, one of the things about inter-war Austrian politics was that the main voice in favor of keeping Austria as an independent nation were extremely conservative Catholics, because an independent Austria could stay a totally church-dominated, right-wing corporatist nation (think Salazar's Portugal), unlike mostly Protestant Germany. The left favored merging Austria into Germany. Karl Renner, the (extremely smart) socialist leader, favored being taken over by Germany, and even supported Hitler's Anschluss (because he thought, wrongly, that Hitler couldn't be much worse than a right-wing Austro-Catholic dictatorship and would eventually go away). The Nazi party in Austria favored merging into Germany, but it was very small in comparison to either the left or the Catholic conservatives. Part of Nazi rule in Austria (seen as a good thing by much of the population) was breaking the dominance of the Catholic Church, which also led to resentment among hardcore Catholics, even though these people themselves were very conservative (and, often, anti-semitic, though not Nazis). In other words, it's complicated.


Posted by: Roberto Tigre | Link to this comment | 11-18-15 6:34 PM
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For example, Austrian politics in the 30s involved the assassination of its right-wing quasi-fascist (but very Catholic) dictator by Austrian Nazis, in response to which Mussolini threatened war with Hitler and the Austrian dictatorship banned the Nazi party. So weird!


Posted by: Roberto Tigre | Link to this comment | 11-18-15 6:48 PM
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I could not be more confounded by the current Facebook thing that's taken over my feed where everybody builds their own wordclouds and is then tickled that it's full of "I'm" "like" "just" "the" and maybe "family" or their spouse's name.

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Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 11-18-15 7:03 PM
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My FB word cloud is full of words like "consideration" and "thoughtful" and "perspicacious".


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 11-18-15 7:32 PM
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Psychoanalysis: not useful; internal combustion engine: not Austrian.

N.b.: The point of the exercise has nothing to do with actual Austrians, or indeed, facts. Even if they do speak German like milkmaids and drive like the elderly.


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 11-18-15 7:44 PM
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An interesting feature of the non-nazi nationalism was favoring Mahler's music. Anschluss put a stop to that.

It left us with Walter's great 9th recording, 1938.


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My greatest artistic feat, one that I can't repeat today, is saying "Anschluss" correctly in public before hundreds of people.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-18-15 8:15 PM
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Even if I could say it correctly, I'm not welcome at that Starbucks anymore.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-18-15 8:26 PM
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just learned the other day the distinction between cross and crucifix

Didn't know there was one, had to go look it up just now, and will in all probability forget it before it comes up again in my life. It doesn't come up so much in an upbringing whose religion could be charitably described as "nonpracticing Quaker".


Posted by: Nathan Williams | Link to this comment | 11-18-15 8:38 PM
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the non-nazi nationalism

So, the Onalism? Sounds like something that would be made out of very high-grade silicone in several bright colors.


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 11-18-15 8:43 PM
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So if you meet with these historians, I'll tell you what to say:
Tell them that Jörg Haider really wasn't very gay,
'Cause even if he schtupped a man or two along the way,
The Austrian courts'll fine you more than you can ever pay


Posted by: Chumbawamba | Link to this comment | 11-18-15 8:47 PM
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Even if they do [...] drive like the elderly.

Holy crap, my wife's elderly Austrian uncle drives like a fucking demon on the slopes of Pfänder. I hate to think of anyone, anywhere, driving more aggressively.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 11-18-15 8:47 PM
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will in all probability forget it before it comes up again in my life

I mean, it's not arcane. One is crucified upon a cross. Therefore, a crucifix portrays a crucifixion, while a cross, as Freud said, is just a cross.


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Speaking of the elderly, you don't really understand the concept of not being able to find stuff until you spend time around someone with dementia and a compulsion to have a house where everything is put away.


Posted by: Gerald Ford | Link to this comment | 11-18-15 8:55 PM
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AIHMHB, I know a man whose father was involved in the assassination of Dolfuss, and died on the run in the Rome, disguised as a priest, waiting to be smuggled to South America in 1949. Still holds the record for conversation stoppers over breakfast -- "Ah, yes, Lemburg. My father was governor there during the war"

Ah, Austrian politics: history made real.



Posted by: Nworb Werdna | Link to this comment | 11-18-15 9:59 PM
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I studied in the US as a foreigner and know a lot of internationals who did. My experience is with the elite end of higher ed, so I don't know of any cheap options say at community colleges. But even those, it seems, would necessarily be more expensive than free tuition at German universities.

At the elite end there are limited opportunities for scholarships. Basically the options were:
1) Get into one of the five* elite colleges that offer international students need-blind admissions. At these five, an application for financial aid does not harm your chances of admission. At all the others, it does (if you're an international). Getting into these five was basically almost an impossible thing since the only people I know who got into one of these five colleges had represented my country in international competitions while they were in high school. Each year, the number admitted from my country into each of these schools could be counted on one hand, whereas my country sends literally hundreds of people to places like Stanford, Cornell, Berkeley, Michigan. However, I know almost no one out of these hundreds others who successfully got financial aid, because they were not need-blind and the competition for the 1-2 scholarships they may have for international students is ridiculous. So, if you're looking at brand name elite schools with financial aid for internationals, it's basically those five or nothing.
2) Apply to a rich but less well-known private liberal arts college (e.g. Carleton). You will not qualify for need-blind admissions, but because very few international people know of these places, you will likely be competing with very few people for the tiny number of scholarships for international students they have.

Again, I'm not sure about the financial aid options lower down the eliteness scale, but I don't see much point in forgoing a free education in Europe for those. Elite American universities are in many ways better than European ones, but it's unclear that that advantage still holds once you get to mediocre universities.

*It was five last I checked. At one point it expanded to 7-8 but the financial crisis put paid to that.


Posted by: Ponder Stibbons | Link to this comment | 11-18-15 10:02 PM
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So, Google books leads me to a wonderful piece of thriller dialogue:

"Yes, I have been in tough with Wayne Fritzmeyer and we are to meet this evening at the Mercure Hotel in Hannover," Glen Rothgeb confirmed.

"Very good, take all necessary precautions and be on your guard. We have every reason to believe that Adolf Eichmann does not desire to be found."


Posted by: Glen Rothgeb | Link to this comment | 11-18-15 10:04 PM
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Fucking html. As one tag opens another closes


Posted by: Glen Rothgeb | Link to this comment | 11-18-15 10:09 PM
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91 -- that sure seems like an unusually exculpatory Wikipedia page for a Nazi administrator in the former Soviet Union.


Posted by: Roberto Tigre | Link to this comment | 11-18-15 10:17 PM
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95: Clearly not edited by the daughter in law I knew, who closed one marital argument by shouting "Your godfather was hanged at Nuremberg!"


Posted by: Nworb Werdna | Link to this comment | 11-18-15 10:34 PM
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95: Probably written by fellow Austrians.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11-18-15 10:50 PM
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82: and what exactly is wrong with speaking like a milkmaid???


Posted by: dairy queen | Link to this comment | 11-18-15 10:53 PM
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A lot of the Catholic Church was super-Nazi. Especially in Croatia, but I thought elsewhere as well.

Also in Slovakia - Jozef Tiso, Nazi puppet president, Catholic priest, deporter of Jews.


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In light of 71, I admit that Haider's gayness was apparently well within the bounds of credibility for his peer group.


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We have every reason to believe that Adolf Eichmann does not desire to be found

That's some high-quality target analysis right there.


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60. Pronounced "Hathburg"?

I had an uncle who visited Vienna before WWII and was making polite chit-chat with one of the waiters at his hotel (he was probably trying to pick him up). He asked, "Do you Viennese speak German the same as Berliners?" and the guy responded, "No, but Berliners speak much the same as us."


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I would NOT recommend Trapnel's friend coming to study in England, which is hideously expensive and the Home Secretary (responsible for police and immigration inter alia) is determined to make overseas student's life hell so they stop coming and she can fiddle the numbers to show a fall in immigration. Scotland, however, might be worth thinking about.

Why America? I know American has or had a fine university system, but anywhere in the EU by Britain would be cheaper, and if the guy speaks German I would think it was a no brainer.


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103: Yes, even English students are starting to look at universities in other EU countries as much cheaper alternatives to studying at home (where tuition is up to £9000/year for EU nationals, as opposed to, e.g., the approx. £1500/year a friend's daughter is paying in the Netherlands for a bachelor's degree course taught in English).


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2) Apply to a rich but less well-known private liberal arts college (e.g. Carleton).

Carleton might be a little cold for someone from Eritrea. It was plenty cold enough for my mum, and she was from the midwest.


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Jörg Haider has been replaced by the less exciting (not closeted! as far as we know! doesn't pretend to be a dictator! not quite as crooked! hasn't left his province's taxpayers on the hook for €11bn worth of bubble-era debts from that bank he ran into the ground!) but possibly even more bigoted and popular Heinz-Christian Strache as the representative of Austrian intolerance.

What do the Austrians do? They elect a former Wehrmacht officer as President

I have never been very impressed with that crack of Bryson's. Who was Helmut Schmidt, chopped liver? But that's West Germany and important and cold war-y, so he's OK, but Austria, eh, I can let my Gnade des späten Geburts, which he has in spades, pour out all over the place.


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"I have never been very impressed with that crack of Bryson's. Who was Helmut Schmidt, chopped liver?"

Helmut Schmidt was a junior officer in an anti-aircraft regiment who was kicked out of the Hitler Youth for not being very good at being a Nazi. Not really a fair comparison with Waldheim.


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Overheard in the cafeteria at work, in a thick southern accent: "Bacon is proof that Jesus loves me."

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That's very 2007 or so. The internet has moved on.


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108: well, as far as proofs of god's existence go it's a pretty compelling one.


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105: It's warmer every year!


Posted by: MHPH | Link to this comment | 11-19-15 9:14 AM
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In a few years going to be calling on the wisdom of the shaft to help kid navigate German uni options!


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I think they still do the fencing duels.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-19-15 10:24 AM
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So: the reason for wanting to study in the USA is indeed language. I told him about Scotland, and said I'd try to find out more. The thing is, he could go to university free here, but then they'd cut off his minimal-income payments. Thanks to everyone for their advice!


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112: Not French?


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114. Also look at Ireland. Seriously, I know a couple of refugees (not Eritrean) who have gone through the Irish college system and done quite well.


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114: proving once again that "you should move to Scotland" is the correct answer to whatever your question is.


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110: I thought so.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 11-20-15 5:45 AM
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Speaking of international students, how do teenagers from Romania get clear to Nebraska and why do they always have ATM skimmers?


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...kicked out of the Hitler Youth for not being very good at being a Nazi.

I smell a sitcom! "HEEEEEEELMUUUUUUUUUUT!!!!"


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117: I've been trying to get a really good suntan.


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121: you should move to Scotland, where, by comparison with the pallid, blue-white natives, you will glow with bronzed bronzeness. All the psychological benefits of a really good suntan and none of the premature aging or cancer risk.


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119: Maybe the second question answers the first one, and vice versa?


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114: French uni system horrible. Obliged to accept all who pass the bacc but chronically underfunded so deliberately sets out to fail a shocking percentage of incoming students leading to really atrocious culture of disrespect and nastiness all around.


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Seriously, do not fuck with Romanians:

Then the neighbour's small dog tried to bite Viorica's father. All his attention was given to keeping it away. And while he was concentrating on the little dog, the woman came up behind him and stabbed him with a little knife in the back. "He was not mortally wounded," Viorica says. "It was just a small wound. He didn't pay attention to it, because he was still fighting the dog. Then the woman shouted, 'Come and kill him! If you don't come and kill him, I will kill you!' Her husband came out of the house with an enormous knife and stabbed my father with it in the back and he fell down dead in one second." With her hands she measures out the length of the blade on the plastic of the tablecloth, about two feet apart, each hand slightly cupped.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 11-20-15 7:42 AM
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German universities now all free of tuition fees -for international students


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 11-21-15 10:10 AM
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I've been arguing for the German language preschool for the reasons given in 126 but its prob not gonna happen.


Posted by: Roberto Tigre | Link to this comment | 11-21-15 10:20 AM
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I just like the idea of a university with no tuition and safe spaces for dueling scars.


Posted by: Roberto Tigre | Link to this comment | 11-21-15 10:27 AM
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Football scholarship is not close enough for you?


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Game for that too but unless we got the wrong baby at the hospital the little guy is starting from a genetic disadvantage. I mean he's not genetically likely to be a Junker either but how hard is it to slash some Pomeranian count in the cheek.


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Dog nobility?


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I just now figured out that "Bataclan" isn't a province in Iraq or something.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-21-15 11:59 AM
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Kid started german at I think 12? Maybe 11? but pretty confident he'll be fine by 18. but then he is a language maniac. 126 very much reason for encouraging this as an option, not willing to keep on with my job to finance most US private uni or college options, no thanks. So unless he goes to a uc then Germany looks good. and ucb for some bizarre reason has an absolute prohibition on undergrads studying music composition so that tends to make it less attractive.


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Kid started german at I think 12? Maybe 11? but pretty confident he'll be fine by 18. but then he is a language maniac. 126 very much reason for encouraging this as an option, not willing to keep on with my job to finance most US private uni or college options, no thanks. So unless he goes to a uc then Germany looks good. and ucb for some bizarre reason has an absolute prohibition on undergrads studying music composition so that tends to make it less attractive.


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apologies again! have no idea why double posts happening.


Posted by: dairy queen | Link to this comment | 11-21-15 12:16 PM
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I went to university for free without learning German. It can't be that hard even now.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-21-15 12:30 PM
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He's a white UMC boy from a coastal city. Anyone in US higher ed giving him a free ride has seriously screwed up priorities.


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VE ARE VELL KNOWN FOR OUR SERIOUSLY SCREWED UP PRIORITIES


Posted by: OPINIONATED GERMANS | Link to this comment | 11-21-15 12:46 PM
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I thought the only priorities were SAT scores and maximizing future donations.


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