Are those boots fashiony enough to be worthy of comment? They're perfectly nice boots, but I wouldn't look twice at them on the street.
I never look at a man's shoes because Morgan Freeman said it was strange. But if I did, those would really stand out to me.
He's short and prissy, get it? Even good pundits have been swaying with the breeze about who the likely nominee is going to be. Here's a not-good non-pundit prediction: I have no fucking idea how the mind of the Republican base works.
It's the Breck Girl reboot (HAW) for Rubio. Or have you all not been following the boot attacks?
Them Limey eyes are eyeing a prize some people call manly footwear.
I may just have a New York influenced sense of what perfectly ordinary men's shoes are.
I don't think I've seen a heel that high on any man's feet except for cowboy boots.
Little divides our nations more than the disparate amounts of seriousness and respectability we ascribe to a grown man in cowboy boots.
I'm totally used to flamboyant cowboy boots but a few times I have seen an oldtimer walking around with honest-to-god clanking spurs. (Also autocorrect wants to capitalize Spurs, which is very sweet of them.)
I was raised around people who wore cowboy boots for occupational reasons.
10 before seeing 9. Those ain't cowboy boots, son.
I'm having reading comprehension problems. Maybe 9 was to 8.
I've heard it attributed to FDR, cavalier about beating Thomas Dewey in '44, that the people would always go for the big man with a little dog over the little man with a big dog.
Know anything about Rubio's dog?
The Clintons had a big dog but I thought he'd been killed.
Those boots are made for walkin'.
12: I agree those aren't cowboy boots.
They look like they have a zipper on the side.
Something I read suggested they are likely the Florsheim Duke (not cowboy) boots.
I've always referred to those as florsheim boots, but that is apparently a brand and not usually as heeled.
I also agree that I'm not sure I've ever seen heels that high on a man's boot, except for cowboy boots.
We always used to get our dress shoes at a Florsheim store.
15: http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Marco-Rubio-Parade.jpg
9 was to 8. And also to a thing I read recently about the awful Ted Cruz, who apparently wears black alligator boots, and not for a bet either.
Certainly no gentleman should wear zipped boots in Town, or for that matter in the country, or indeed under any circumstance other than as some sort of sporting or safety equipment (such as, for example, Nordic skiing). We teach kids to tie their own laces for a reason.
Cowboy boots don't even have laces.
That's awfully closed-minded of you. What of the classic Chelsea boot?
28: fine for ladies. Queen Victoria wore them.
Anyway, working with cattle is often best done on horseback (at least here) and riding a horse is easier in boots that will catch the stirrup.
Also Chelsea boots aren't zipped - they're elastic-sided.
30: I think it would be OK to take someone in cowboy boots seriously if they were actually a cowboy. That's a valid exception.
I always association elastic-sided boots with Parade Magazine and Sans-a-belt slacks.
I'm not sure how to translate that into British.
If you image search "Texas wedding dress", most of the visible shoes are cowboy boots.
If he's serious about winning over the GOP base, shouldn't he be wearing jackboots?
When I drove a truck in the 70s, pointy-toed cowboy boots were universal among over-the-road truckers, wherever they were from. Ankle support may have been one reason but fashion, uniform must have been more important. The stirrup-hooked-in-heel justification certainly didn't apply.
A few of the lawyers wore them when I was growing up. Ranchers were a lot of their business. My dad never took up the style, probably because his dad always wore cowboy boots. Horses were about his favorite thing even though he stopped using them for work after WWII.
Did he drive a car or a truck?
Trucks were primitive until the 70s, when they became as comfortable as cars, and became fashion statements.
He was a farmer by then, but he had been cattle trader.
Which R candidate will step out in these?
I totally don't believe, btw, that LB regularly sees men in heels that high. I see it very occasionally in SF and it's pretty noticeable.
New York is probably just more fashionable because fewer software-slob types.
Maybe they look more pronounced in person because they change the wearers' gait? And that aside from the heel, they look like standard fancy shoes?
Those boots are bad. Marco Rubio is bad.
Flippanter has spoken. All power to Flippanter.
I agree with three of four on that.
Even here it's not totally out of the question to see lawyers in court in cowboy boots. I mean obviously it's an affectation, but one you see not that infrequently.
Those boots are bad-ass. Marco Rubio is ass-bad.
Flippanter h-ass spoken. All power to Flippanter's ass.
I'd give odds that Flip's ass is wan and insubstantial.
I totally don't believe, btw, that LB regularly sees men in heels that high. I see it very occasionally in SF and it's pretty noticeable.
I confess that I too suspect that the more likely explanation here is not that such heels are common in NY but that LB is not very attuned to these details.
Note that LB never says she sees men in heels that high.
I'm willing to bet those boots are literally unamerican.
I swear I could go outside in the Financial District and see a pair like that inside ten minutes of watching people walk by. The pictured boots are as high as anything I'd think of as normal; any higher would get peculiar. But they don't look remarkable to me at all.
(I mean, you're all shaking my confidence, I really don't pay all that much attention. But I do look at people some, and I would swear I see boots like that on ordinary men.)
Yeah, ordinary men in the Financial District. Of the 50,000 men who would walk by in those 10 minutes, at least one of the European ones would certainly be wearing them.
If Marco Rubio's public image turns into a John Kerry-style tea-sipping elitist, that would certainly be a pleasant surprise. We already sort of have that narrative with his entire career being funded by some car dealer, as if he was an Auburn football player getting a no-show job from a booster.
I would ascribe some mojo to Rubio, not much. A mojito, if you will.
Rubio isn't short (5'10), but I remember from one of the debates seeing him standing between Trump (6'2) and Jeb!(6'3), and that difference combined with the fact that he has a relatively slender build (comparatively at least) made him look like someone let a precocious child in a suit into the debate. It wouldn't surprise me if he's started wearing shoes like that (or wears them generally) in order to try to look taller.
Also the picture linked in 25 is hilarious: it looks like a group of strangers that someone photoshopped into the same picture.
60: For an American president, I bet that is short. I'm pretty sure that the vast majority of presidents have been taller than average and 5-10 is average.
Is it still true that the taller candidate has won every election? Or did GWB fuck that up, too?
GWB is a counterexample twice, it only goes back as far as television IIRC, and height differences of a half-inch don't count, again IIRC.
Oh, and Carter beat Ford despite a big height difference. Basically, there's nothing much to it.
I am now wondering if mojo pronounced mohjoe and mojo pronounced moho are from the same African root.
Presidential heights. Rubio is apparently actually more like 5'8".
To be clear, I am wondering if the latter got into Spanish from North Africa.
Good Wikipedia article with nice scatter plot debunking the "height wins elections" myth.
Every word has an African root if you go back far enough.
66 - Even their chart seems oddly exaggerated. There's no way that Jeb! and Trump are the same height, so one of them (TRUMP) is lying about it.
To really test FDR's dictum we need to know dog sizes.
65: Wiktionary has English mojo being cognate to Fula moco'o medicine man. Wikipedia claims that Spanish mojo, the Canarian spicy sauce, is from Portuguese molho meaning sauce. Wiktionary again traces that through Latin back to a PIE root *(h₂)moldus meaning to soften or weaken.
As at least 50% of Ogged's female friends have said, it's not the size of the dog on the man, but the size of the man on the dog.
OT but wonderful: http://m.channel955.com/onair/mojo-in-the-morning-53961/man-stuns-reporter-with-powerball-answer-14251894/
That's so fucking idiotic.
And props to the Statesman for that unnecessarily pandering and barely relevant photo.
77->76. 75 dude gets points for honesty, but he underestimates what you can do with that kind of money.
He did say "a bunch". Maybe you're the one who's underestimating him.
True. To me "a bunch" means "several", but in his idiolect it might mean "more than there are grains of sand on the beach."
There are 2.58 severals in a bunch and 5.04 x 10^33 bunches of sand in an average beach.
49: Sorry, Mr. Burns nosflow, but I don't go in for these backdoor shenanigans. Sure, I'm flattered, maybe even a little curious, but the answer is no!
I dunno. Let's run the numbers. In 1973, Black Sabbath spent $75,000 per month on cocaine. You can't do more cocaine than Black Sabbath in 1973. That's approximately $300,000 in today's dollars. I'd say a generously extreme hooker budget would be equivalent to his cocaine budget -- a high end hooker is about $1,000 per visit, so a $300,000 monthly hooker budget gets you 300 high-end hooker visits per month, which has got to be towards the upper limit.
So, if he wins the $700,000,000 Powerball, and say 50% goes to taxes, he could sustain Black Sabbath '73 levels of cocaine, every month, and 300 high-end hooker visits per month for at least 30 years, even with generous allowances for housing and food. If he literally spent all of his winnings on hookers and cocaine, he could be on the BS73/300HEHPM plan for 48 years.
And that, people, is how you win an argument. With facts.
You can't do more cocaine than Black Sabbath in 1973.
[Hacks up the sovereign nation of Bolivia.] Sorry, what were you saying?
BS73/300HEHPM
The hottest home fitness trend of '16.
In 1973, Black Sabbath spent $75,000 per month on cocaine.
Is this true?
Although, look, people, you're being too literal. When a reporter asks you what you're planning to do with your hypothetical $700m lottery winnings, your answer doesn't have to account for every penny you plan to spend. Your answer is just supposed to outline your primary spending priorities. Which this gentleman did. You think the guy who says he'll buy new houses for his family and friends means he'll use every dollar on that? No.
a high end hooker is about $1,000 per visit, so a $300,000 monthly hooker budget gets you 300 high-end hooker visits per month
This assumes he's getting only one hooker at a time.
Oh, wait. I read 30, not 300. Never mind!
The men of the financial district have failed me.
Maybe four pairs of dress shoes that had a distinct heel higher than the minimal dress-shoe heel, but probably all an inch or less, and Rubio's are maybe an inch and a half? They still don't look weird to me, but I didn't match them in twenty minutes outside getting a sandwich.
I wonder if any of the men of the financial district do BS73/300HEHPM.
The Florsheim boots are 1.75", apparently, which seems kind of low (for the kind of boot in question).
What kind of man needs ten high-end hookers a day, every day? (Plus, at that volume, couldn't you get discounts?)
What kind of man needs ten high-end hookers a day, every day?
There's a reason why rich people insist on being called "job creators."
Trickle-down economics, IYKWIM, AITTYD.
What kind of man needs ten high-end hookers a day, every day?
Few wish to consume their hookers and cocaine in contemplative solitude. I am assuming that our man also wishes to be a generous entertainer, while of course reserving sufficient hooker and cocaines for personal daily use. So, like, 3 hookers/day for personal use, 7/day for friends and acquaintances. With cheaper hookers and less expensive drugs, of course, you can invite more to the party, but it's a worse party. I was assuming that the hookers and cocaine would primarily be shared with trusted, favored intimates.
96: I seem to recall Charlie Sheen saying on SNL, with the fervor of a man who does not want you to make his past mistakes, "You can't bargain with a hooker."
Of course; what was I thinking? Sociability remains important.
You weren't thinking, nosflow. That's how you wound up with ten high-end hookers and no cocaine.
Is this true?
Sort of but not quite. Looking it up, Black Sabbath had a $75,000 cocaine budget as part of the recording costs for Black Sabbath Vol. 4. Which was recorded over about three months. And the year was 1972. So $75,000/month is a bit of an exaggeration. On the other hand, aside from the cocaine, the entire cost of recording and releasing the album was $60,000.
I'm not that interested in cocaine, tbqh.
Whoops, accidentally hit post while typing. But you're an NY lawyer with thoughts about menswear -- how weird are those boots? Are they really not all that outre, or am I confused about men's clothes again?
Flip cast them from his sight, and abominated them, upthread.
Flippanter's thoughts about menswear, if I recall correctly, are rather conservative.
RT is Charlie Sheen?
Anyway, "mojo" as pronounced "moho" clearly is derived from the Mohorovic Discontinuity, which is of interest to geologists. The height of your boots indicates how deep you have drilled to find the M. D.
According to reliable Internet Sources, the Russians found Hell.
107: Saying they're 'bad' isn't the same as saying they're unusual. Lots of people wear terrible clothes.
None of them Cuban commie boots at the Grove in L.A. today. Just the usual zombies blundering into things while starting at their phones.
LB is going to die with Marco Rubio's boots on. Those are unusual. They're unusual everywhere. In a big enough crowd, you'll find a short guy wearing a pair, but other guys don't wear relatively dainty boots with significantly raised heels.
106-7: Both bad and unusual. I've never seen side-zip boots on an otherwise-decently-dressed professional and those heels are pimpesque.*
* I will eat a hat if that picture hasn't been 'shopped near unto death with purple hats and flares and "bitch better have my primary voters" meme texts.
112: I was already backing down after looking at the man-on-the-street -- appealing to Flip was my last hope for having been right to begin with.
But I give. I wouldn't notice them as peculiar, but I also just don't notice much, so I accept that they are weird.
My earworm from this thread is Traffic.
but other guys don't wear relatively dainty boots with significantly raised heels.
I admit that I would wear the shit out of boots (or shoes!) with high heels. I am not short, I just think they look cool. ISTR a video of Mark Knopfler playing "Sultans of Swing" while rocking some Beatle boot–esque shoes and they worked.
OT: The State of Pennsylvania wants me to, by way of creating an alternative means of access if I forget the password, tell them who I wanted to go to the prom with. I didn't tell her. Why I should I tell them?
During my horrible arts admin internship I learned from a tenor that there's such a thing as lifts, shoes that (ideally discreetly) have three or four or five inches in the heel. I'm not sure if they're more for the stage, but they do make them just for people who want to look taller. He said he wore them offstage sometime, and in moments of dating-life-inspired insecurity, I came very close to ordering some. I guess instead I added an inch to my personal ad height, which false height followed me around to things like my driver's license, until I was ultimately punished by someone at the DMV here reading 5'6" as 5'0" (which will never be corrected because who wants to waste a day at the DMV? As Celeste Holm said to Frank Sinatra: I don't!)
There is a certain kind of tiredness that makes me verbose.
The DMV is karma and we're all just that terrible.
"Take a number and wait your turn for the hands of an angry God."
I wore cowboy boots every day for many years as a DC lawyer, and always to court for many years after that. Until last year -- a year ago tonight -- when I broke my ankle. It's still too swollen for my boots, so I'm going to court in dress shoes last worn in the mid-90s.
I'm leaning toward they're sharp. I would want a full length shot to decide for sure though.
I have also lately taken to wearing high heeled black boots. I'm not short, but it's my last semester teaching and it bothers me that I don't have a ratemyprofessor chili pepper.
127: that's not the fault of the boots, though.
Hayseeds at the NYTimes atwitter over Rubio's boots.
117: A rather dorky and shlubby classmate of mine asked an extraordinarily attractive* girl from the class below us, and to everyone's surprise, she said yes. But she was a sweet honors student, so this wasn't on the level of the clichéd geek-invites-cheerleader-and-gets-humiliated thing.
Anyway, I admired the hell out of that move. AFAIK he didn't have any particular reason to expect a yes, he just went for it.
*both in the sense of more attractive than average, and attractive in a distinctive way. Come to think of it, she looked a bit like Cersei Lannister.
128: Indeed, I finally saw that pic elsewhere a little while ago, and I'm not sure any footwear could redeem that outfit. A pullover that shade with black tapered jeans? Egad.
The State of Pennsylvania wants me to, by way of creating an alternative means of access if I forget the password, tell them who I wanted to go to the prom with. I didn't tell her. Why I should I tell them?
Didn't the State of Pennsylvania just have a huge porn-related scandal? I'm sensing a pattern here.
It's bloomed into a porn and perjury scandal.
I blame Penn State. I think with reasons.
These are called 'cuban heels'. Although I think the lack of fashion knowledge of most americans will keep bootghazi contained to commentary on gender-policing and 'haha look at the short guy' and not anything xenophonic.
These are called 'cuban heels'.
We prefer you use the term "Republican presidential candidates." Thanks.
Applauding 136.
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not anything xenophonic.
Disastrous military campaigns in Mesopotamia are quite xenophonic.
