Re: Guest Post - What happened with FLDS

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I read this this weekend! Also several related Wikipedia articles. 80 wives! Now I want to watch the movie.


Posted by: E. Messily | Link to this comment | 02-15-16 7:59 AM
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That looks like it says "So wives!" which is also accurate.


Posted by: E. Messily | Link to this comment | 02-15-16 8:00 AM
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so wives
much cult
wow


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 02-15-16 8:06 AM
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That area is a godamn powder keg. I'm amazed there haven't been a bunch of murders. Odds are the feds are going to win case and this could go sideways in a hurry.


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 02-15-16 11:22 AM
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I'm amazed there haven't been a bunch of murders

Wait, why?


Posted by: Turgid Jacobian | Link to this comment | 02-15-16 11:26 AM
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5: We're talking several thousand people in a cult with members of families ending up on opposite sides. Imagine if all of a sudden you were kicked out of your house where you lived with your wife and kids and you thought there was a real possibility your underage daughters were going to get forcibly married off to various dudes in their 40's. You might consider doing some killing. I know I would.

There's a lot at stake here and they've never faced this kind of dismantling. There's been individual arrests and such but the feds are a whole different ballgame and they've got the manpower to make it happen. Getting a Jessop to flip and testify is a big deal. I suspect they've been deep in with an informant/s and/or a wiretap for a while. Good chance that the "routine traffic stop" that nabbed Jeffs outside Vegas was a wall stop based off of a tip or info from a wire.


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 02-15-16 11:50 AM
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LaVoy Finicum...I have no knowledge or information that he was any variety of LDS

From what I've heard he was regular mainstream LDS. That type of first name alone in Utah is a pretty good indicator of some kind of LDS background.


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 02-15-16 11:52 AM
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6: oh, well, there you go.


Posted by: Turgid Jacobian | Link to this comment | 02-15-16 12:09 PM
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It would be weird to live for decades in Footloose and then find yourself in A Study in Scarlet instead.


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 02-15-16 12:33 PM
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6: Plus kicking out the teenaged boys (can't have them competing with the old guys for the young bride victims...)


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 02-15-16 1:02 PM
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7: His given first name is Robert - LaVoy is a nickname, I believe.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 02-15-16 1:42 PM
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Also can you shed more light on the significance or background of Lavoy as a name?


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 02-15-16 1:42 PM
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Mormons have weird names.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 02-15-16 1:49 PM
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Names that start with La-, particularly when the second part is capitalized, and particularly men's names, are a weird Utah Mormon thing. I don't know the reason for it. LaVell Edwards, former BYU football coach, is a good example.


Posted by: Bave | Link to this comment | 02-15-16 1:50 PM
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The part of Nevada where the Bundys live is also very close to that area, and they're some weird kind of LDS (not FLDS, though).


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 02-15-16 1:52 PM
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That article kept getting more disturbing the further I read. For example, this, from way down towards the end:

Like other people I talk to in Short Creek, Thomas is especially concerned about the rise of something called the seed bearers - perhaps the most disturbing of commands from the jailed FLDS prophet. According to former members who still have family inside, Jeffs has decreed that only men of a "royal bloodline" can reproduce, and only with women selected to the United Order. According to rumors, these men (there are said to be 15) are the seed bearers. To have a child, women must eat a special detox diet and apply to Jeffs in prison. Husbands are made to watch these breeding sessions, in which seed bearers wear a hood, and a sheet is placed between the man and woman during intercourse to keep their identities secret. Any children born from these unions are put into hiding, likely at the FLDS network of secret compounds scattered throughout the West. They then become property of the church, with no knowledge of the identity of their parents.

I mean, that's not just your garden-variety polygamy. It's not even your garden-variety forced-underage-marriages-style polygamy. (Which is largely how the article had framed the town's citizens in the article up to that point.) But this is something... even more unusual. Calling them a "polygamist cult" seems almost unfair to polygamist cults.


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 02-15-16 1:53 PM
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Names that start with La-, particularly when the second part is capitalized, and particularly men's names, are a weird Utah Mormon thing. I don't know the reason for it. LaVell Edwards, former BYU football coach, is a good example.

LaMarcus Aldrige, LaMichael James, LaBradford Smith, etc.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 02-15-16 1:55 PM
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16 sounds like something made up by an opponent.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 02-15-16 1:57 PM
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I hadn't even considered 18, but that makes as much sense as anything else.


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 02-15-16 1:59 PM
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Here's a graduate thesis on distinctive Mormon naming practices; skimming it, it floats various theses, such as Mormons wanting to have names that are distinct from the larger culture that they're otherwise not too dissimilar some. It also mentions that naming is an area where the Church is comparatively lax. The comparison to African-American naming patterns is mentioned, but without any firm conclusions; also contains some awful jokes that I had previously heard about black names.


Posted by: dalriata | Link to this comment | 02-15-16 2:05 PM
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16 sounds like something made up by an opponent Margaret Atwood.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 02-15-16 2:16 PM
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21: borrowed from Atwood or more likely the Gor novels? intellectual property is like weaponry; even if you only sell it to your friends who you trust, always, always it ends up God knows where.


Posted by: Alex | Link to this comment | 02-15-16 3:46 PM
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20: Names that would code as A-A anywhere else are probably the descendants of Mormon pioneers in Utah.


Posted by: Cala | Link to this comment | 02-15-16 7:42 PM
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