Re: Guest Post - Burns shooting

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I had some more time to look at it last week, and I'm peeved that they highlighted the bit of video where Finicum is yelling provocative things out the window ("You're gonna have to shoot me") as if that said anything about when he was shot. That bit was in fact followed by them gunning it and trying to flee, and it was when they were stopped at the next roadblock that he was shot. The occupants' phone video doesn't seem to have caught the death or what his hands were actually doing.

Also, I get the whole "a car is a deadly weapon and therefore it it's coming at you shooting at it is legally justified" argument, but does that action make any tactical sense when they're racing toward you at speed and the car can't leave the road without getting stuck in snow? Genuinely wondering.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 03- 9-16 9:25 AM
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Last night, I should say.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 03- 9-16 9:25 AM
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Killing people is wrong, but some people deal themselves into that game and work hard to get that hand, though that doesn't make watching video of the process more tolerable.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 03- 9-16 9:44 AM
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I keep thinking there must be video footage from the roadblock vehicles or (less likely) an officer bodycam. They were FBI and OSP vehicles, so it's not like rural-nowhere-can't-afford-cameras cop cars. But maybe I'm wrong, or maybe there were cameras and they were turned off, or maybe the cameras didn't capture Finicum's last moments.


Posted by: Stanley | Link to this comment | 03- 9-16 10:03 AM
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Maybe they didn't expect anyone to be interested later.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03- 9-16 10:08 AM
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...and the car can't leave the road without getting stuck in snow?

It really didn't look like enough snow to stop that big of a vehicle quick enough that it wouldn't be a threat. Not that you can tell from the video for certain. Also, if I understand your comment correctly, it would require assuming they were trying to get away and not, say, taking out a cop even at the cost of not getting away.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03- 9-16 10:23 AM
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They had to shoot him before Obama took out the car with a Drone fired Hellfire missile. Bush did 9/11.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 03- 9-16 10:26 AM
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4: The lack of govt. video other than from the chopper is weird. It's not as if they didn't have ample time to find some cheap dash cams from Costco in anticipation of the possible endings if the Feds didn't have anything more advanced.

Yeah, the frame by frame is fairly convincing. I was thinking perhaps he lost his balance in the deep snow and brought his arms in because of that but it does look like he was after the gun.

Anyway, not important. He got what he was looking for.


Posted by: Biohazard | Link to this comment | 03- 9-16 10:50 AM
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Yes. I think that saying "You're gonna have to shoot me" is the sort of thing that police should keep in mind when assessing threat.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03- 9-16 11:02 AM
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Kind of off topic: My right to protect my child with my gun trumps your fear of dying from irony.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03- 9-16 11:05 AM
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10 At least the kid is old enough to represent himself in court.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 03- 9-16 11:11 AM
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It's not the kid's fault. It's the government's fault for requiring small children to ride in the backseat where their parents can't see which way the kids are pointing their guns.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03- 9-16 11:17 AM
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Just like a 4 year old to shoot you in the back. Typical.


Posted by: R Tigre | Link to this comment | 03- 9-16 11:24 AM
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More from the Ironic Comeuppance Dept.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 03- 9-16 11:57 AM
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The video referenced in the title of this post is crystal clear. Maggie did it.


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 03- 9-16 12:05 PM
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10. As somebody has pointed out here before, Carl Hiaasen writes documentaries.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 03- 9-16 12:05 PM
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Which, of course, makes 10 totally on-topic.


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 03- 9-16 12:06 PM
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17 as an addendum to 15.


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 03- 9-16 12:06 PM
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I suppose all of that probably belongs on Standpipe's blog.


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 03- 9-16 12:19 PM
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I blame the parents. Oh, wait.


Posted by: Cyrus | Link to this comment | 03- 9-16 1:24 PM
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Be still my beating heart! The thing in the photograph - can it be?
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Posted by: Nworb Werdna | Link to this comment | 03-10-16 1:21 AM
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21: alas no. That is a Russian Navy Zubr-class hovercraft, the Mordovia. An awesome bit of kit, the largest hovercraft in the world, and especially handy if you want to put a hell of a lot of armour on the beach of a small, low-lying country next to a shallow and relatively calm sea (not naming anyone in particular) but no ekranoplan.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 03-10-16 2:29 AM
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I live in hope the Greeks will put their 4 Zubrs on the market.

(Seriously; you start to see what the Germans meant with all the whining when you realise the Greeks spent a whole lot of boom-era money on four giant armoured hovercraft, as far as I can see for shits and giggles. How much Jet-A1 does one of these even burn?)


Posted by: Alex | Link to this comment | 03-10-16 3:11 AM
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You know the Zubr OOW did this just because he could:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMj7DGN1yD4


Posted by: Alex | Link to this comment | 03-10-16 3:13 AM
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Yeah, he clearly ran it up the beach for shits and giggles and then rolled* back into the water.

*Hovercraft don't roll, but I'm not sure what the appropriate verb would be.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 03-10-16 3:32 AM
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From 14:
supporters say, raw milk has a higher nutritional content and is more ethical.
All that energy wasted on pasteurization, you know. Terrible carbon footprint.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 03-10-16 6:56 AM
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We'll get an ekranoplan and a Zubr. Halford will support this I'm sure.

So, the Greeks have four of those monsters? I assume they got them to deal with their ally, Turkey. What a neighborhood!


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 03-10-16 8:20 AM
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You could probably fit an entire sex grotto inside a Zubr.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 03-10-16 8:22 AM
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Zubr, but for grottos.


Posted by: Nathan Williams | Link to this comment | 03-10-16 8:56 AM
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Still no updates on the putatively forthcoming Ekranoplan simulator game, sadly.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 03-10-16 10:39 AM
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On the plus side, searching for "ekranoplan" on Twitter for news taught me that Twitter is working on cross-alphabet search potential - lots of hits in Russian with "экранопла́н".


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 03-10-16 10:45 AM
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