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You should make a MOOC of the seminar so that riders in other cities metro areas can also benefit: and not just places like Chicago, NY & DC (also Boston and Philly, I imagine), but also poor blighters stuck in foreign cities, like London, Paris, Tokyo & Beijing.


Posted by: marcel proust | Link to this comment | 03-11-16 10:27 AM
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I may have said this before, but I think that's a large part of why the Tokyo subway physically pushes people in at rush hour: even there, the standers in and around the aisles either block others or arrange themselves much less densely, and pushing forces them to create space without having to confront them.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 03-11-16 10:30 AM
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Oh, here's one:
"When I am standing on the platform and my train arrives, should I wait for other people to get off the train before attempting to board, or should I attempt to shoulder my way against the flow of disembarking passengers?"


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 03-11-16 10:31 AM
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In many cultures, pushing is considered confrontational.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 03-11-16 10:32 AM
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Be the change you want to see in the world!


Posted by: MHPH | Link to this comment | 03-11-16 10:48 AM
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This would be a very helpful training for WMATA riders as well.


Posted by: Catherine | Link to this comment | 03-11-16 10:57 AM
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Will there be an option to test out of this seminar for those people to whom the correct answers to these questions are beyond obvious?


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 03-11-16 11:09 AM
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Also, I've long thought that some signs clearly explaining these points and prominently posted in all the stations might go a long way towards changing norms on these behaviors. That would be cheaper than mandatory seminars.


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 03-11-16 11:16 AM
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Why would I, or anyone who hasn't spent their entire life in some desert waste, be surprised how many people don't know the answers? ajay's addendum is an important one. For the more advanced qualification, there are questions about how to handle large suitcases, and to interact on escalators.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 03-11-16 11:18 AM
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Why would I, or anyone who hasn't spent their entire life in some desert waste, be surprised how many people don't know the answers?

Sometimes people engage in a thing called "rhetoric". I know it's frowned upon, but it's the times.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 03-11-16 11:21 AM
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I'd add an extra addendum about how many seats a person or group of people can occupy.*

One time, on a train filled with Henley goers, I watched a commuter politely ask two women who were taking up the whole of one section of the train (6 or 7 seats) with their assorted handbags, jackets and coats, if they could move something so he could sit down, and he was told 'No'.

* hint, when the train is busy, for N people, the number is N seats.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 03-11-16 11:24 AM
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10. And at other times they engage in gratuitous pedantry, as no one knows better than yourself.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 03-11-16 11:26 AM
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It's weird. I find people are generally good about these things on the Tube*, but on the commuter rail services they're terrible. I groan every time a train pulls into Deptford and I can see that the door alcoves are rammed and the aisles are nearly empty. Thameslink wasn't much better behaviour-wise but it was usually less crowded overall.

*The new wide-body, interconnected carriage, rolling stock on the District/Circle and Overground lines helps, I think, but it's true on older designs too.


Posted by: Ginger Yellow | Link to this comment | 03-11-16 11:28 AM
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gratuitous pedantry

Ooh, please tell me you're crowdsourcing your dating profile, nosflow! This must go there somewhere.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 03-11-16 11:29 AM
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Bat area folks might pay attention if you present it as a TED talk.


Posted by: AcademicLurker | Link to this comment | 03-11-16 11:32 AM
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Could any of these ideas apply to an elevator? When I want to get on an elevator, should I get on right away, or step to the side while people get out of the elevator? More decision points.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03-11-16 11:37 AM
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(((((commuting in a car is nice in some ways even though it's not nice in other ways.)))))


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03-11-16 11:39 AM
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I don't see how any of those concerns are relevant to winning the BART video game.


Posted by: alex | Link to this comment | 03-11-16 11:40 AM
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Christ, don't get me started. Police ride for free here but I kind of have to avoid it because situations like 11 have the possibility to quickly transition into "move your shit, and I'm not fucking asking". Ditto drunks, young guys staring each other down for no godamn reason, etc. I don't need that nonsense when I'm off the clock.


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 03-11-16 11:42 AM
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Speaking of gratuitous pedantry, in comment 7, should "to whom" have been "for whom"? I wasn't sure.


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 03-11-16 11:43 AM
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Why are there so many parentheses in comment 17?


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 03-11-16 11:44 AM
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I'm kind of struggling with this idea of "gratuitous pedantry".


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 03-11-16 11:44 AM
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Well, I'll speak up for selfishness. If the train doesn't stop long, and if I'm going to be getting off soon, and there are going to be a bunch a surly uncooperative people between me and the door, I'm not that excited about going up the aisle.

And I'm a tallish, fatish, oldish, white man -- the most privileged category for jostling my way out. Someone with less ability to force the correct result may be even less inclined to put themselves at risk.

Shorter: it's a collective action problem.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 03-11-16 11:49 AM
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I should point out that there's really not much of the stuff in 19 going on, I'm just hypervigilant, especially in my own jurisdiction. Kind of a drag sometimes. But compared to some of the other rail systems I've been on ours is a paradise of cleanliness and order.


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 03-11-16 11:49 AM
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21: to indicate that it is a very private thought in the deep corner of my head and I would never admit publicly that cars are anything but a smelly nuisance.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 03-11-16 11:50 AM
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When you teach your course to users of the PATCO line between Philadelphia and New Jersey, please add a unit on whether, if boarding at an early stop at an hour when the train will inevitably fill up at an upcoming stop, it is best to sit down in the window or the aisle seat. Also the point in 11.


Posted by: unimaginative | Link to this comment | 03-11-16 11:51 AM
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22: I was looking at it as a selling point rather than a warning, but I follow.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 03-11-16 11:55 AM
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I meant I'm struggling with the idea that any pedantry could be gratuitous. I knew you meant it as a selling point.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 03-11-16 11:56 AM
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Many of these questions can really be boiled down to "am I the only person using this train?".


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 03-11-16 11:58 AM
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6 sure gets it right. If you're willing to expand the curriculum to cover some additional questions--

When I am standing on a crowded bus, with no plans to make use of the next few stops, should I make use of the roughly one-third of the aisle that extends past the rear doors of the bus, or should I resolutely block that portion of the available standing space, as well as the rear doors themselves? If the driver and/or fellow passengers are repeatedly yelling "move all the way back", is that in any way relevant to my decision?
If I am sitting in the aisle seat of a bus or subway, in a two-seater arranged perpendicular to the aisle, with an unoccupied window seat next to me, and other passengers are boarding or standing in the aisle, should I (a) move to the window seat, leaving the aisle seat available for another passenger who might want to make use of it or (b) stare at my phone/newspaper/into space, perhaps placing a bag or coat on the unoccupied seat? If the latter, and another passenger politely asks to sit in the unoccupied seat, should I (a) say "of course" and stand up to let them in or (b) give them a dirty look and rotate my legs into the aisle so that they can awkwardly, barely squeeze by?

--I'll see what I can do about a grant to bring this to DC.


Posted by: potchkeh | Link to this comment | 03-11-16 12:04 PM
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I'm not that excited about going up the aisle.

Fuck you, it has nothing to do with your own excitement.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 03-11-16 12:06 PM
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I'm all for etiquette, but CCarp's point is legit. The fact that people can't be counted on to be considerate results in inconsiderate behavior. The door is only open for a few seconds, and if you're back in the aisle, you have to feel confident that you can make it to the door in time. Is this confidence justified? If not, there's your collective action problem.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 03-11-16 12:24 PM
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I just like to see Carp excited.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-11-16 12:25 PM
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This is why i have large shoes. I find that almost anyone moves, when the backs of their legs are brushed.


Posted by: Yogi | Link to this comment | 03-11-16 12:29 PM
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I have Carp's problem getting off downtown in rush hours when a whole lot of people board on the the few stops preceding mine. A solution is to start making your way closer to the door a stop or two in advance.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 03-11-16 12:32 PM
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I don't have much hair on the back of my legs.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-11-16 12:34 PM
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35: I think he covered that point in "if I'll be getting off soon."


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-11-16 12:36 PM
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I think part of the reason I'm a pacifist is that I don't have lightning bolts to strike people down when I want to, which would be a different and effective way to solve this problem.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 03-11-16 12:40 PM
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32: Oh please. You can begin moving toward the doors as your stop approaches. People may be assholes about it, but they'll let you through. I do this every day, at least twice and usually four times a day, and I have never myself missed a stop or seen anyone else miss a stop because they couldn't push their way out in time.

I do, however, not infrequently see people unable to get on a train with adequate room to accommodate them, because of assholes creating a bottleneck at the doors; and very regularly see (or am on) a bus with plenty of room in the back run right past a stop with people waiting, because the driver is sick and tired of trying to get people to move back past the rear doors.


Posted by: potchkeh | Link to this comment | 03-11-16 12:42 PM
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I'm not that excited about going up the aisle.

Fuck you, it has nothing to do with your own excitement.

Quite right. It's the bride's day.


Posted by: Ginger Yellow | Link to this comment | 03-11-16 12:54 PM
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I'm all for etiquette, but CCarp's point is legit.

No, it's really not. I'm a medium sized harmless looking woman, with strong feelings about proper train behavior, so I tend to be standing as far as possible from the doors, and even on a crowded train, I've never been unable to make it off at my stop.

To put it more strongly: I've ridden the subway more days than not for my entire life, and I don't remember ever seeing anyone try to get off the train and fail. I'm sure it has happened, but it doesn't happen much.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 03-11-16 1:00 PM
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(Pittsburgh) Port Authority buses are much worse than BART or even Muni, as our aisles are narrower. A single inattentive tiny person, even with a backpack, can force a dozen people to be crowded up in the "you aren't allowed to stand here" area in the front of the bus, while there's room for twenty or thirty people behind them.

I understand CCarp's concern, but then you should be very careful to shove yourself into a corner near your exit point with your gut sucked in, or at least look sheepish about it. There are cases where doing so might be better for me and I'll change both my boading and exit points by a few stops if that makes it easier. (Yes, I know that isn't a technique useful on trains.)

26: I'm naturally shy and conflict adverse with strangers, but as I become more crotchety and less tolerant of transit bullshit, I'm working on making it my standard to ask to sit next to aisle sitters. If you're sitting in the aisle seat because you want to get off soon, fine, I'm happy to take the window. If you're an inconsiderate person who is trying to force other people to sit next to strangers (in the common case where the bus is between seats half full and standing room only), then you're a dick and you're stuck with me. At least I don't manspread.


Posted by: dalriata | Link to this comment | 03-11-16 1:01 PM
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(I will say that there is an etiquette exemption for people attempting to leave a train; that is a circumstance under which you may say "Excuse me" in an aggressive tone, and do a reasonable amount of shoving. But even that much is very very rarely necessary.)


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 03-11-16 1:02 PM
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I blame the Port Authority for making everybody exit and enter by the same door.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-11-16 1:04 PM
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41: I've failed to get off the bus. It sucks. Also sucks is delaying everyone on the bus (and an unknown number of drivers behind it) because I'm trying to push through a crowd. Hence getting off at a suboptimal stop for me if it allows faster egress. But trains are a different story; I've never ridden the NYC subway but if they're like those elsewhere it should be fairly easy to get around in those wide aisles.


Posted by: dalriata | Link to this comment | 03-11-16 1:08 PM
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I say "excuse me" in an aggressive tone and shove to get further in the train down the aisle. I practice what I preach, with vigor!!!!1!


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 03-11-16 1:10 PM
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I've never failed to get off the bus, but I live past the crowded area. I've seen lots of people fail to get off. Now I yell, "Coming off" when I see somebody too timid to part the crowd.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-11-16 1:10 PM
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44: Enh, I think changing that would help, but that's not really what I mean. I'm thinking of taking a 61 outbound around 6:00-8:00pm on a weekday when school is in session; it's easier when they open the back door to exit through as I tend to sit in the back, but when the entire bus is packed it doesn't really matter. Before I moved I'd get off at Forbes and Wightman or Murdoch and when it was busy that just wasn't worth it; it'd make more sense to wait until Murray (major stop where lots of people get off). I think the real culprit is the tiny aisles, but you can't fix that without greatly decreasing seating.


Posted by: dalriata | Link to this comment | 03-11-16 1:13 PM
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Actually, they used to run many 61c's with buses with narrower aisles than any of the current ones. They had what I think were supposed to be touring buses on that route.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-11-16 1:25 PM
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you may say "Excuse me" in an aggressive tone

In my heart, I pronounce that "clear out, fuckers."


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 03-11-16 1:28 PM
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I love contrasting our lived experiences like this with the stereotype of USians as brash and confrontational.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 03-11-16 1:31 PM
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Firing off a few rounds into the ceiling really helps clear the aisle.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 03-11-16 1:35 PM
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I was talking big about subways -- I don't use buses much, but yeah, at their most crowded, they're worse to get around in. I've still never been stuck on a bus past my stop, but I wouldn't pooh-pooh the idea in the same way.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 03-11-16 1:46 PM
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But that still doesn't justify Charley's position. A possibility of overshooting your stop doesn't let you certainly inconvenience everyone else on the bus.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 03-11-16 1:47 PM
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23,32 Never a problem on trains for me, sometimes I say the words "Off please." Buses packed with school kids or sports fans are tougher, and do indeed take some advance planning. Crowded bus + novel route is an unfortunate combination, though.

Maybe it's Carp's excessively Walter Mitty vibe that's exacerbating the problem. Perhaps a special would help in his interaction with fellow commuters.


Posted by: lw | Link to this comment | 03-11-16 1:50 PM
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drat. insert the words "subway wardrobe" for the link in 55.


Posted by: lw | Link to this comment | 03-11-16 1:51 PM
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49: You mean the double-longs with the coach-style configuration? Those were awful when they were crowded, but they usually had more than enough seats. I'm thinking of the standard single-longs.

51: The median American is a commenter on an eclectic web magazine who rides transit.


Posted by: dalriata | Link to this comment | 03-11-16 1:55 PM
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|| NMM to Keith Emerson. |>


Posted by: dalriata | Link to this comment | 03-11-16 1:56 PM
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57.1: Yes. I wasn't sure if you were around for them or not.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-11-16 1:59 PM
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I do, however, not infrequently see people unable to get on a train with adequate room to accommodate them, because of assholes creating a bottleneck at the doors;

Reviving little kid stuff and doing it "ironically-not-ironically" as adults is still a cool hipster thing to do, right? Maybe it's time to bring red rover back into fashion as a train station game.


Posted by: MHPH | Link to this comment | 03-11-16 2:02 PM
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48 - 49: the 61s outbound are such a disaster for actual commuters. 90% of the people who get on don't care which 61 it is, they just get on the one that'll take them 1.5 miles to the CMU campus or Squirrel Hill. So if you have a 61A followed by a 61C, the people who actually need the 61A can't get home because it's full of local riders.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 03-11-16 2:13 PM
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No one has ever been denied a ride on the train/bus because of where I'm standing. I'm just content to let people walk past me, and step aside to facilitate that, when I'm getting off at the next stop.

Jeez, not a complete monster.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 03-11-16 2:14 PM
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by "are" I mean as of 2010. Maybe the new lovable technocrats have created express bus routes by now.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 03-11-16 2:15 PM
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Yes, but things have improved.* First, they added the 61D-Greenfield Only run. It runs from Oakland through Greenfield outbound only and the circles back to Oakland. So it takes some of the local traffic. Also, there's an app now, so you can see how buses are coming up. That really doesn't help people trying to get to destinations past Squirrel Hill, but it helps me to know if I need to cram onto a full bus or just wait two minutes.

CMU students still sit and wait 30 minutes to get on a bus that will take them 1.5 miles. I think they don't actually realize how close it is.

* But not this week, for aging infrastructure reasons.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-11-16 2:18 PM
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64 before seeing 63. I don't remember exactly when it started to get a bit better. The app certainly wasn't around in 2010. Also, it's not an app. It's a web page. I get confused because there is an app, but I find the web page better.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-11-16 2:20 PM
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News everybody can use.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-11-16 2:22 PM
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Quite right. It's the bride's day.

Sexist.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 03-11-16 2:26 PM
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51: I don't know if it was here or somewhere else but I remember reading that America is awesome at two or three aspects of life you wouldn't expect, one of them being driving. We might think of SUVs and road rage, but we're apparently much safer and more civil about it than the rest of the world. Well, maybe public transportation use is something else.


Posted by: Cyrus | Link to this comment | 03-11-16 2:29 PM
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61: It depends on when the commuters get on. I'm going downtown to Squirrel Hill and I get on before the students; even if you're in Oakland proper you're probably okay. Commuters getting on at CMU (including people working at the CIC) are screwed.

64: When I was a student, I would occasionally do just that because that hill is annoying. Walking the golf course is nice, but only at night when you can cut across it. Yes, it was obviously a waste of time to wait half an hour, but there becomes an annoying point at around twelve to fifteen minutes where you're committed to those sunk costs. I blame how the CS curriculum teaches Poisson distributions.

The realtime tracking only came out in the last two years. It's changed everything.


Posted by: dalriata | Link to this comment | 03-11-16 2:29 PM
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It still doesn't cover all buses. I'm not sure why. Anyway, you should still look down the street sometimes.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-11-16 3:04 PM
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So, the local water utility apparently monitors Twitter obsessively.


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Apparently! Let us not speak of the-water-utility-that-shall-not-be-named.


Posted by: dalriata | Link to this comment | 03-11-16 3:20 PM
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I had to check that they didn't follow me.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-11-16 3:22 PM
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Now they're following me. I'm not sure how that will help them.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-11-16 3:24 PM
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Anyway, drinking on the way home gets results for me.


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I guess I have to follow them back. Or is it enough that I send them $70 a month and all my poop?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-11-16 3:29 PM
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FUCKIN' RIGHT I'M THE ONLY PERSON USING THIS TRAIN


Posted by: OPINIONATED BOSTONIAN | Link to this comment | 03-11-16 4:54 PM
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Ginger's observation in 13 about the difference between subway and commuter-train behavior might help explain why BART, in particular, is so irritating. It's a hybrid between subway and commuter train--same train cars as the DC subway, but stations are quite far apart and for people who live towards the ends of the lines it's only functional as a commuter system. So you have people from the suburbs bringing their suburban mentality onboard: they feel they are entitled to exclusive occupancy of large amounts of space, public good be damned.


Posted by: Bave | Link to this comment | 03-11-16 4:57 PM
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Oh god where to start. Let's add: when a train comes and it isn't the one going where you desire to go, do you move aside from the door so the fucking thousands of people behind you who do wish to get on the train can do so, or do you stand there like fucking cattle, because the goddamn world revolves around you?

Maybe feeling a little overly intense about this as I am about to cram myself onto a train. I am thinking of dreaming up something to do in SF to kill an hour or two but the good yarn store is closing in 18 minutes and the piano bar is always 20% as fun as I'm expecting unless I drink A LOT and I've never figured out any other uses for this town.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 03-11-16 7:13 PM
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At the piano bar!


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 03-11-16 7:35 PM
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Better drink A LOT to get to 100%


Posted by: RT | Link to this comment | 03-11-16 8:59 PM
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Have you tried to see how much fun the yarn store is if you are drunk?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-11-16 9:11 PM
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Breaking in almost two hours after close is probably not the best way to test 82.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 03-11-16 9:14 PM
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Drunk pants free yarn store break in party!


Posted by: R Tigre | Link to this comment | 03-11-16 9:21 PM
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I thought yarn stores had to close in the afternoon and reopen in the evening. Maybe that was pubs.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-11-16 9:27 PM
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I will live in your cob city if that's the law. Post-siesta yarn shop trips sound lovely!


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 03-11-16 9:29 PM
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Oh yeah, the behavior in 79.1 baffles me too, I hadn't articulated it to myself.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 03-11-16 10:03 PM
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Oh, yeah. It's insanely annoying.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 03-11-16 10:38 PM
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I am now on a nice, uncrowded train east, sobering up. I sang two songs, equally gloriously. (Negative numbers can be equal.)


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 03-11-16 10:41 PM
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Yep. Just left my umbrella on the train. Godspeed through Texas, umbrella.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 03-11-16 10:49 PM
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because the goddamn world revolves around you?

One thing that increasingly annoys me, doing a lot of driving in London, and commuting by car between London and Oxford is the seeming rise of what I'd describe as solipsistic drivers.

I'm used to people who are a bit rubbish as drivers, or people who drive like pricks,* but something I notice more and more is people who drive as if there are literally no other human beings in the world. Pulling out into moving traffic without indicating, suddenly stopping and _reversing_** on a main road, forcing the cars behind to suddenly take evasive action, driving so close to other cars that it's only luck that they don't hit them, etc etc. It isn't malice, or even incompetence, it's driving as if no other drivers or cars even exist.

* overwhelmingly other (mostly) white men of a similar-ish age to me, to be honest.

** happened to me three times in the past week


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 03-12-16 12:33 AM
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51 The sterotype of USians as brash and confrontational arises because it's the brash and confrontational ones who bring themselves to people's attention.

68. In my limited experience this is very true, if you exclude the brash and confrontational.

91. The concept of solipsistic drivers is an extremely helpful one, which should be more widely accepted.


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|| NMM2 Keith Emerson |>


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 03-12-16 3:21 AM
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I'm not a good singer, but I've never sung so badly that my umbrella left me


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There must be a strong correlation between solipsistic drivers and people talking/texting/whatever on their phones while they drive. A lot of the behaviors you describe can be explained by "not really paying attention to the road."

Bringing it back to the bus/subway theme, I see a lot of people on them who are so intent on their phone/music/texting that they don't notice it's their stop and then aggressively push their way off even if they don't have to.

In Boston, the "one door" policy is to reduce the number of fare evaders.


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re: 95.1

It's not that. I mean, I see that all the time. I think people distracted by their phones is increasingly the norm, not the exception. I -- and I imagine lots of other people who drive a lot? -- already have a lot of 'defensive' expectations geared around that: trying to anticipate what a driver in the inside lane might do if they decide at the last minute to pull out to pass that slow moving truck, and they are too distracted by their phone to properly check their mirrors; assuming that people won't move promptly when lights change colour, or may even just plough right on through on red, etc.

It's more extreme than just distracted, it's totally not-giving-a-fuck, but not in the aggressive/pushy way that I associate with drivers who are just pricks, it's totally-not-giving-a fuck because the only person in the world who matters/exists is me.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 03-12-16 7:24 AM
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Suddenly stopping and reversing on a main road with traffic?! Death wish!


Posted by: Turgid Jacobian | Link to this comment | 03-12-16 7:41 AM
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Seeing a nice parking spot; deciding that the slow traffic up ahead is going to delay you a nanosecond longer than you want, so you decide to take a different rat run,* that sort of thing.

Twice in the past couple of weeks I've nailed down the horn so hard I thought I'd break it, before the person reversing realised they were about to hit me. Once they did hit me, but luckily they'd slowed enough that there was no damage.

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rat_running


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 03-12-16 7:48 AM
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Excepting vacations and such, I'm down to driving about 20 miles a week or less. This has improved my mood greatly.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-12-16 7:58 AM
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I agree that solipsistic driving is characterised by the completely insane action, rather than standard bad driving, like the woman I saw the other day who pulled a u-turn into rush hour traffic without indicating. Maybe she was distracted, but it wasn't a straightforward thing to do and it had to have been deliberate. Who knows what, if anything, she was thinking.

91. Most British buses are single entrance. Equally most riders are quite good at negotiating them. The main problem is people with rucksacks who don't know where they end.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 03-12-16 7:59 AM
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Rat-running is a problem on my residential street, just a block off a main road that's constantly backed up. I have become the grumpy old man who sits on his front porch and ineffectually screams "slow the fuck down!" at passing cars all the time. Lots of kids around, scares the shit out of me.

But the classic solipsism moves in DC are (1) abruptly making a 3-point turn (that often ends up becoming a 5-point turn) without any regard for the circumstances and (2) pulling over just the tiniest bit alongside parallel-parked cars (and thus still blocking most of the travel lane) to run an errand or pick up/drop off passengers even when there's ample curb-space a short distance away; there appears to be a prevailing belief that, so long as you put your hazards on, anything's fair game.


Posted by: potchkeh | Link to this comment | 03-12-16 8:03 AM
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Rat-running is a problem on my street, but it's limited by the narrowness of the street. Two cars can pass, but not at speed.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-12-16 8:06 AM
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Yes, I've seen that exact move, the U-turn or multi-point turn, in traffic, without indicating, several times in the past week. Admittedly, in those instances traffic wasn't moving that fast (under 30) but fast enough that the people following had to break, and it was luck someone didn't tail end someone else.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 03-12-16 8:13 AM
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Brake. Fucking homophones.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 03-12-16 8:13 AM
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I don't care if they indicate or not, making a multi-point turn on a busy street is fucking obnoxious. Go around the damn block instead of making everyone else wait for you to figure out just how big your car's turn radius is.


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Rat-running is promoted by GPS apps. I think Waze is the worst, but Google Maps does it too (Google owns Waze but their algorithms are different.

Waze will send you via a windy residential route if they think it will save you a minute of time. A couple of streets on my commute have become go-to rat-running routes due to Waze et al. and the result is that both ways are more clogged.

ps: I love the term "rat-running." Thanks for that!

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Supposedly UPS and/or Fedex instruct their drivers to never make a left or U-turn if they can make a series of rights instead. (UK readers make the obvious adjustment.)


Posted by: DaveLMA | Link to this comment | 03-12-16 8:46 AM
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Our sprog's nursery is opposite a primary school, so in the morning at drop-off time, the street is a morass of cars all being driven as if we are in some kind of post-apocalyptic Max Max type death-scenario. There are two routes out of that street, and whichever one you take, it's pretty easy to make a couple of extra turns to end up at the other end, if that's your preferred route away.

Nonetheless, in among the heaving morass of cars, and all the little kids crossing the road, there are always always always people doing N-point turns in cars too big to turn there, and completely fouling up all of the traffic going both ways. To save themselves about 100 metres of driving.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 03-12-16 8:49 AM
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...so long as you put your hazards on, anything's fair game.

My ex and I used to refer to hazard flashers as "park anywhere lights." Now that I live in Northern Virginia instead of PG county I see it much less, but it's still a thing.

My current pet peeve is people who are travelling on a two or more lane road who decide to change lanes into the rightmost lane exactly at the point where other people are merging onto the road. At best you are being a dick to the people merging and at worst you are showing up unexpectedly in a lane that looked clear a moment ago and into which a person is accelerating to match traffic speed, inviting a nice high speed collision. Needless to say people who do this tend to also not signal lane changes. There's a road I travel every day that has no merge area and a lot of traffic where this happens about every couple of weeks. That fact that it's not littered with crashed cars is a miracle.


Posted by: togolosh | Link to this comment | 03-12-16 8:52 AM
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Yup, there's a junction in Oxford where that happens all the time.* I've been caught out a few times when the car in front has suddenly braked, because just was we were about to merge into the road (at 60mph) someone has changed lanes into the inside lane, and the space they were about to merge into has disappeared.

*Botley Roundabout, merging onto the A34.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 03-12-16 8:59 AM
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93: Yeah, dropping like flies

Always pretty much actively disliked Emerson's music. Maybe hated.

But some I missed the death of Dan Hicks, whose music I liked a lot. Damn.

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Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 03-12-16 9:09 AM
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106 - You will take Waze and the ability to do complicated commute routes on residential streets from my cold dead hands. It's saved a good 20/30 mins a day from the daily commute and made so many other routes tolerable. And not just for me but for hundreds of thousands (maybe millions) at this point, just locally, including people who don't use the app and benefit from fewer folks on the main arteries. One of the few unambiguously beneficial consequences of the smart phone. Part of it is living in a city where there is traffic everywhere and thousands of ways to get to any given place.

Obviously you should as a general matter choose the least assholish manner of driving on any given route, but even if Waze has caused increasingly solipsistic driving (don't know if it's true or not) it's a net social benefit. The NIMBYs will not take it from me while I still breathe and can fight.


Posted by: R Tigre | Link to this comment | 03-12-16 9:40 AM
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• When I am getting onto the last Tube home after a big fun piss-up with my mates that has not quite ended, and notice the stranger sitting by me peacefully reading, should I feel sorry that they're not having as much fun as I am and involve them in our singing/argument/hilarious slurry jokes, or should I try to remember what it feels like *not* to be drunk and leave them the fuck alone?

• When I am getting onto the last Tube home after a big fun piss-up with my mates that has ended with a fragrant, delicious Chinese takeaway, should I carry my takeaway onto the carriage and continue to attempt to eat it whilst standing squashed among the other riders, without the benefit of holding onto anything since I need one hand for the box and the other for chopsticks, or should I close the reeking box, grab a handle, and wait for my walk home from the Tube station to continue my meal?

• When I am standing squashed among strangers on the last Tube home after a big fun piss-up with my mates, should I notice when the train stops and have a look about to accommodate people entering/exiting the train in the hope of making this last, claustrophobic ride of the night as painless as possible, or should I remain very focussed on my conversation/snogging and look up completely surprised every time someone has to shove me out of the way to get on/off the carriage?


Posted by: Swope FM | Link to this comment | 03-12-16 10:47 AM
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To be fair, snogging is worth focusing on.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 03-12-16 11:48 AM
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Apparently Emerson killed himself after developing some kind of neuropathy in his hand. Was Waze to blame? Too early to tell.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 03-12-16 11:50 AM
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Focussing on your snogging while on the train is for kids. Bringing focus to your snogging by postponing gratification and shooting "oh, is there ever going to be snogging when we get home" looks at your intended snoggee is how adults (should) do it.

Then again, the loudest, slurpiest snogging I've ever had to listen to on a late night Tube ride came courtesy of a couple that were in their 50's at least. Booze keeps Brits young at heart.


Posted by: Swope FM | Link to this comment | 03-12-16 12:09 PM
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One of my fondest youthful memories is of making out with a British tennis player in the back seat of a car when we were both sopping wet in our underwear after an impromptu pool party and I had just asked "What's snogging?"

The sad thing isn't that that won't ever happen again--though it won't--but that even if it were to happen, I'd be distracted by how tired I was and everything I had to get done that day.

Is life worth living? Tossup!


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 03-12-16 12:51 PM
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111 You will take Waze and the ability to do complicated commute routes on residential streets from my cold dead hands.

I don't disagree in the slightest. I use Waze every day. However, I am smart enough to know that if they send you on a short loop through a residential neighborhood that terminates at a 4-way stop intersection with the original road and saves you one minute, all they are doing is assuming they have only one user in the vicinity.

The is invaluable for avoiding speed traps, accidents, late-running overnight construction and many other annoyances.


Posted by: DaveLMA | Link to this comment | 03-12-16 1:14 PM
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Is life worth living? Tossup!

This week I got a cat, so the answer is now obviously yes.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 03-12-16 3:52 PM
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Is life worth living? Tossup!

This week I got a cat, so the answer is now obviously yes.

Cats land on their feet.


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 03-12-16 5:30 PM
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116: I always wanted to meet Andy Murray!


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112.2: If the train has poles for people to hold onto, you can wrap an arm around one for balance and still keep your hands free for eating.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 03-12-16 9:56 PM
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|| The Big Short is really good. Reprobates everywhere should see it. |>


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 03-13-16 12:51 AM
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I endorse 122.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 03-13-16 1:20 AM
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123: Me too.

Time for sequel titles.

The Little Long has a nice alliterative lilt, but the Little Schlong seems more timely.


Posted by: marcel proust | Link to this comment | 03-13-16 8:15 AM
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The Big Short 2: Shanghai Grift


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 03-13-16 8:30 AM
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The Big Short 2: Girth Matters.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 03-13-16 8:32 AM
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Short Big: With a Venture


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