Re: Baby Powder Keg

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I read this yesterday, and it feels like part of the problem (ignoring the fact that J&J doesn't care about people) was that none of the J&J executives could get past the "but it's just talc!" issue either. I feel like if this had been, I don't know, antihistamines with some studies inconclusively pointing to elevated cancer risk they might have actually acted earlier.


Posted by: snarkout | Link to this comment | 04- 1-16 5:25 AM
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The linked article says "long-term perineal talc use increases the risk of ovarian cancer by about 33 percent," not "triples." Towards the end it says a 1 in 53 risk versus 1 in 70.

Still a terrible attempt to hide a known risk, regardless.


Posted by: DaveLMA | Link to this comment | 04- 1-16 6:26 AM
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They've taken it off all the shelves in stores in Arrakis on the basis of that.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 04- 1-16 6:33 AM
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Huh. Somehow the "triples" was in my head.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 04- 1-16 6:35 AM
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Arrakis is hot and humid, so maybe the whole place counts as a nether region.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 1-16 6:35 AM
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Another thing I suppose we can thank Our Bodies, Ourselves for. Our nethers are just fine, thanks!


Posted by: oudemia | Link to this comment | 04- 1-16 6:53 AM
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"Our Bodies, Our Salves."


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 1-16 6:56 AM
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I thought baby powder had been all cornstarch for ages because of this. Also, I never quite understood what the function was of baby powder at all. Possibly if I'd ever used it, it would have been clear to me.



Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 04- 1-16 7:26 AM
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See here.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 1-16 7:30 AM
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4: It's okay. Everybody knows girls are bad at math.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 04- 1-16 7:49 AM
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8: If you're moving around in wet undergarments for very long at all you can get some serious chafing that gets very uncomfortable fast. Babies do this, obviously, as do adults who e.g. get very sweaty when exercising or are hiking out in heavy rain. Baby powder goes a long way toward minimizing this.


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 04- 1-16 8:12 AM
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I feel weirdly certain that I've written a comment substantially identical to 11 on this blog at some point in the past.


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 04- 1-16 8:17 AM
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Anyway, I know several men whose partners made them stop using baby powder because of the cancer thing.


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 04- 1-16 8:18 AM
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It's probably not a good substitute for KY.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 1-16 8:19 AM
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Does corn starch work as a drying agent? I mostly use it to make custard.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 04- 1-16 8:20 AM
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KY is probably an even worse substitute for corn starch.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 1-16 8:21 AM
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KY is certainly not recommended for making custard.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 04- 1-16 8:27 AM
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I wouldn't recommend custard on the perineum either.


Posted by: Ginger Yellow | Link to this comment | 04- 1-16 8:42 AM
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You people are so anal about your recipes.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 04- 1-16 8:45 AM
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And I think corn starch tends to facilitate yeast infections.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 04- 1-16 8:48 AM
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what about rye flour? i've got a big bag of it.


Posted by: cleek | Link to this comment | 04- 1-16 8:55 AM
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21. Commonly used in sourdough starters. Probably not a good idea.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 04- 1-16 8:58 AM
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Good news! You can use alum instead of talc.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 04- 1-16 9:00 AM
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Alum has been a standard virginity restorer in cultures that require such things for ever.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 04- 1-16 9:24 AM
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22. that's what i use mine for.

but it would be nice to have another use for it.

maybe a tangy, tart crotch will be the crotch of the 2020s.


Posted by: cleek | Link to this comment | 04- 1-16 9:35 AM
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Is the link in 23 work safe?


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 04- 1-16 9:38 AM
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Well, there's no pictures of genitalia or anything. But you may or may not want vaginal-tightening.com in your IP history.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 04- 1-16 9:43 AM
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2: That kind of stat from, I'm assuming, a retrospective study really does not seem like something you should be able to sue on. It sounds like the kind of thing you see from all those nutritional studies that contradict each other.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 1-16 9:48 AM
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24: I did not know that. Before today, actually, 100% of my knowledge about alum came from Bugs Bunny cartoons.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 04- 1-16 10:00 AM
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You didn't pay much attention to the subtext then.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 1-16 10:01 AM
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The continually chewed up carrot?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 1-16 10:05 AM
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Yeah, if you told me that some food had a RR = 1.33 of cancer in some studies, I would be highly skeptical.

For instance, RR for smoking and lung cancer is 30-100. RR for BRCA and breast cancer is 6-8, and for BRCA and ovarian cancer is 5-30. RR=1.33 is pretty small.


Posted by: F | Link to this comment | 04- 1-16 10:42 AM
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Other things that have RR = 1.2-1.9 for breast cancer:

drinking 2 drinks a day
Being above the 80th percentile in BMI
Early menarche
Late menopause
Not having kids or having kids after age 30
Hormone replacement therapy.


Posted by: F | Link to this comment | 04- 1-16 10:46 AM
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Not to be all Fisking on your ass, but shouldn't the OP be edited? You know, so as not to mislead our countless readers who never venture into the comments.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 04- 1-16 10:48 AM
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Anal Fisking isn't a known right factor.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 1-16 10:51 AM
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I always thought that unless it interfered with me publishing something, an OR of less than 2 wasn't meaningful.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 1-16 10:53 AM
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30: Apparently not. As a kid, I just figured alum was something way way sourer than lemons. And I suppose it just hasn't ever come up in conversation since.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 04- 1-16 10:55 AM
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I'm not even sure RR is the best measurement. If you take the 1 in 53 and 1 in 70 odds given above, you can calculate how much more often someone who used talc got cancer than someone who didn't. That turns out to be 1 in 218, or 0.46%.


Posted by: F | Link to this comment | 04- 1-16 10:55 AM
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Don't the Japanese use talc in rice and hasn't it been linked to higher incidence of stomach and intestinal cancer?


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 04- 1-16 10:57 AM
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37: I was joking. I never hear of it before today either.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 1-16 10:59 AM
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38: You could argue for other stats, but I think that one would get you beaten by an epidemiologist.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 1-16 11:01 AM
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To be clear, I think people should be warned not to put talc near their gonads. There's evidence of a risk for no gain that I can see.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 1-16 11:03 AM
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39: Not according to this study - which was the first hit on google, and therefore has to be true


Analysis of data from Japan and Hawaii offers no support for the hypothesis that the use of talc-coated rice increases the risk of developing stomach cancer. This conclusion is based on the observation that Japanese in Japan have very high rates of stomach cancer but consume no talc-coated rice, that Japanese in Hawaii have intermediate rates of stomach cancer but consume considerable amounts of talc-coated rice, and that Filipinos in Hawaii have very low rates of gastric cancer but consume the highest amounts of talc-coated rice of these three groups. Furthermore, secular trends in gastric cancer incidence show a much greater decrease in the incidence of this tumor among the exposed Japanese in Hawaii than among the unexposed Japanese in Japan.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 04- 1-16 11:04 AM
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I'm sure there are flaws, but if the chance of something bad happening is one in a trillion, and I suddenly increase it to one in a million, I don't really care that the RR is a million.


Posted by: F | Link to this comment | 04- 1-16 11:04 AM
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So you're now telling me that my friends have suffered from sweaty, chaffed scrotums for nothing?


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 04- 1-16 11:06 AM
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You do if you work in public health for a population of 300,000,000.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 1-16 11:06 AM
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42 to 45.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 1-16 11:07 AM
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Possibly. But definitely not as an individual risk decision.


Posted by: F | Link to this comment | 04- 1-16 11:08 AM
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45: No. It was a useful distraction from the hollowness of their lives.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 04- 1-16 11:11 AM
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49: Why am I insulting urple's friends? I am a horrible person!


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 04- 1-16 11:13 AM
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It's less of a problem in cooler climates, north of the Moist-On Dicks line.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 1-16 11:17 AM
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A little googling didn't do much to change my skepticism.


Posted by: Unfoggetarian: "Pause endlessly, then go in." (9) | Link to this comment | 04- 1-16 11:19 AM
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51: I can't decide if 51 is brilliant or awful, but I think it deserves some kind of recognition.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 04- 1-16 11:28 AM
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You could email the link to everybody in the office and ask them.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 1-16 11:32 AM
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I can't easily edit at the moment. Sorry.

Also I think my OP title was nice.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 04- 1-16 12:00 PM
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All your titles are golden.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 1-16 12:02 PM
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So you're now telling me that my friends have suffered from sweaty, chaffed scrotums for nothing?

Goddammit, people. I was charging urple $5 a session.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 04- 1-16 12:31 PM
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You can use cornstarch in your hair as a dry shampoo, but it mainly works best if you have light hair, or don't mind looking like you have gray roots. I don't know about baby powder as dry shampoo. You could probably use it but maybe it increases your risk of scalp cancer if you use it.

Some people rub deodorant on their chaffing bits, but I don't know what the cancer risk of that is. I suppose if you pick a hippie deodorant that's not also an antiperspirant it would be ok.


Posted by: Buttercup | Link to this comment | 04- 1-16 12:32 PM
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I was in rehab for a month and they wouldn't allow deodorant because (?) some people would be crazy enough to lick it for a high. So we were given talcum powder to use instead. Surprisingly effective. Didn't try to lick it. And was only in for a month so no concern. Though I was thinking of using it again in the very hot and humid months where I live.


Posted by: jackie | Link to this comment | 04- 1-16 2:21 PM
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I was led to believe that the main reason for high stomach cancer rates among Japanese is that eating highly polished rice contributes to a fiber-poor diet. Bob probably knows.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 04- 1-16 2:23 PM
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"Not having kids or having kids after age 30"
You have tea and no tea.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 04- 1-16 2:40 PM
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I don't know what happened to my underwear yesterday- I have several pairs that are showing thinning in the crotch because I don't wear any special padded kind when I bike to work, but then yesterday I got to work and went to change into office clothes and the crotch had totally disintegrated- like, true completely crotchless underwear. I'm pretty sure I would have noticed if they were that bad when I put them on in the morning, but I can't imagine that one additional bike ride would totally destroy them like that.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 04- 1-16 2:42 PM
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Maybe the baby powder caused chafing?


Posted by: Buttercup | Link to this comment | 04- 1-16 2:44 PM
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If it gets thin enough then once you get one rip the entire thing pretty much disintegrates? I don't know actually, but that makes sense to me - just the motion of biking can put weird stresses on clothing so I can see even a small tear being enough to make the whole thing fall apart over the course of a bike ride.


Posted by: MHPH | Link to this comment | 04- 1-16 3:05 PM
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Is that why cyclists ride in greased-up lederhosen so often?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 1-16 3:14 PM
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Somebody explained cycling shorts to me once and I think I've gotten the gist of it.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 1-16 3:22 PM
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Talcum powder is known to contain between 1 and 4 microscopic space fleets per 100g.


Posted by: DaveLMA | Link to this comment | 04- 1-16 3:50 PM
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Do your genitals have any sharp edges?


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 04- 1-16 4:29 PM
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Depends.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 04- 1-16 4:39 PM
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That's the punch line to my favorite inappropriate joke.


Posted by: F | Link to this comment | 04- 1-16 4:44 PM
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The fabric obviously just surrendered in the face of SP's massive balls. No mystery there.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 04- 1-16 11:09 PM
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Also I think my OP title was nice.

I think so too.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 04- 1-16 11:20 PM
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60: No-one really knows, though people have suggested a high-salt diet, nitrites used in pickling, higher H. pylori infection rates, and high levels of smoking (which would help explain the much higher rate among men than women).


Posted by: Ume | Link to this comment | 04- 2-16 2:08 AM
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How does cornstarch work as a dry shampoo? I mean, I use shampoo to clean my hair of, I suppose, the natural oils and creases.. If I put cornstarch in it, I feel I would just have hair that was not only greasy but full of cornstarch.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 04- 2-16 4:57 AM
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Don't use hair straighteners lightly, Ajay. The natural creases are part of who you are.


Posted by: Turgid Jacobian | Link to this comment | 04- 2-16 5:24 AM
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I think the idea is that the cornstarch absorbs the grease, and then you comb it out of your hair, taking the grease with it.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 04- 2-16 5:37 AM
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Free to live a life of religious fulfillment.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 04- 2-16 5:53 AM
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I had a roommate back in the day who used commercial dry shampoo because normal shampoo brought him out in a rash, and it worked exactly as LB describes. I have no idea what was in it.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 04- 2-16 5:56 AM
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Sounds like it would make a good deep fry batter.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 04- 2-16 6:19 AM
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79 for breastmilk mozzarella sticks


Posted by: Turgid Jacobian | Link to this comment | 04- 2-16 6:50 AM
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And chicken-fried placenta


Posted by: Turgid Jacobian | Link to this comment | 04- 2-16 6:50 AM
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It sounds rather like the sort of thing an ancient Roman might do.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 04- 2-16 7:05 AM
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An entirely food-based hygiene regimen? Coconut oil pull for dental? Obvs olive oil with strigil, etc.


Posted by: Turgid Jacobian | Link to this comment | 04- 2-16 7:15 AM
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