Re: Guest Post - Suburbia

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I am legitimately confused as to whether you're talking about sociology, porn, or both.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 06- 2-16 8:42 AM
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There's supposed to be a link!


Posted by: E. Messily | Link to this comment | 06- 2-16 8:51 AM
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What. Check your eyes.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 06- 2-16 8:53 AM
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Although it's still kind of a mix of sociology and softcore porn, I guess.


Posted by: E. Messily | Link to this comment | 06- 2-16 8:53 AM
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A link to porn, right?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06- 2-16 8:53 AM
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A softlink.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 06- 2-16 8:54 AM
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5 before seeking 3, 4.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06- 2-16 8:54 AM
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Hey, I've read The Exurbanites. There was a copy in the Vaipouli College library in Samoa when I was teaching there. It was amusing.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 06- 2-16 8:57 AM
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Sort of a Paul Fussell's Class knockoff.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 06- 2-16 8:58 AM
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Salacious but not actually pornographic mass-market midcentury paperbacks, realistic fiction or superficial description.

John Cheever gets mentioned once, right before the sentence "But the books didn't last."

I like John Cheever's writing very much, both the stories and the Wapshot novels. The single sentence about Cheever is the closest the author comes to paying attention to other writers who are not hacks. She does not mention either Highsmith or JG Ballard.


Posted by: lw | Link to this comment | 06- 2-16 8:59 AM
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Is this a coding thread? Because I never know what the hell anyone is talking about in those either.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 06- 2-16 9:08 AM
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11. Procedurally generated suburbia

Thematically related art from Ross Racine: http://www.rossracine.com/artwork/subdivisions-group-3-2008-2/the-hills-beckon-2.html


Posted by: lw | Link to this comment | 06- 2-16 9:15 AM
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Highsmith is an overrated hipster language (no insult meant to Patricia's work). nosflow wrote a bunch of stuff in Ballard last year but said it was a mixed bag, iirc.


Posted by: lurid keyaki | Link to this comment | 06- 2-16 9:20 AM
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Ballard a mixed bag?! Nosflow?

Now I gotta run, finish packing, catch Tarkovsky's Mirror, then sleep for 4 hours and catch a flight to Knifecrime Island.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 06- 2-16 9:22 AM
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I don't remember writing in, or about, Ballard. I do remember being delighted by The Price of Salt.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 06- 2-16 9:29 AM
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Mother of God, I am just about done trying to make jokes. 13 was a riff on 11 (and 10). As a literary matter who can deny that Ballard's oeuvre is uneven?


Posted by: lurid keyaki | Link to this comment | 06- 2-16 9:33 AM
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Ok ok ok.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 06- 2-16 9:37 AM
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It makes so much more sense now. I will blame residual tiredness.

Should I read and/or see High Rise?


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 06- 2-16 9:47 AM
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She does not mention either Highsmith or JG Ballard.

She's writing about American suburbia, yes? Ballard was English.

Don't know why she doesn't mention Highsmith. Maybe she doesn't feel familiar enough with her stuff. I wouldn't- never been able to finish one.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 06- 2-16 9:48 AM
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18: I saw it. Basically it didn't work for me because everyone goes totally batshit for no apparent reason. I'm guessing the book makes more sense, but haven't read Ballard so maybe not. That said, it's a very well made movie. So yes, watch it.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 06- 2-16 9:53 AM
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Sorry for being irritable. In my defense I'm still multitasking and on day 5 of mostly-solo childcare (planned 3-day weekend + 1 day of work + two days, of which this is the second, of a pretty spurious pinkeye diagnosis that bounced the small child out of daycare). I don't think I can get her to watch "The Mirror," but I could try it.


Posted by: lurid keyaki | Link to this comment | 06- 2-16 10:02 AM
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18 Read, an emphatic yes. My favorite mid-period Ballard. Watch, NO.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 06- 2-16 10:07 AM
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18 Read, an emphatic yes. My favorite mid-period Ballard. Watch, NO.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 06- 2-16 10:07 AM
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You could probably get her to watch High Rise, but the consequences would be unpredictable.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 06- 2-16 10:08 AM
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Double posting reviews counts as 2 crowdsourced anonymous IMDB comments so even Bob should approve.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 06- 2-16 10:09 AM
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22: per linked review, the apocalypse was indeed very sexy. Maybe reading the book doesn't help with the movie.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 06- 2-16 10:11 AM
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22/23: I mentioned that review to snarkout and redfox and they thought it was totally off base.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 06- 2-16 10:31 AM
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I finally skimmed the link. I was expecting more about late-60s smut.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06- 2-16 10:58 AM
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OT, but about millennial anxiety, so I thought it could fit in this thread. I'm a thesis preceptor, and the grades for graduating seniors are due this Friday. I've been getting a spate of emails from anxious millennial students asking 1) when their grade will be posted, 2) whether they received honors, and 3) for notification when I post their grade. (FWIW I don't actually post their grade, I email them to the administrator and she handles the logistics. I also had to have grades in awhile ago, and we're not supposed to tell anyone if they got honors before the official announcement.)

I'm a crotchety person who's super grumpy right now, but these emails are really annoying me. I want to email "chill the fuck out, worry about it once the deadline passes and the grades not up, and also, it's not my fucking job to notify you specially and hold your hand because you're anxious about your grade not being posted several days before the deadline." Like, whatever happened to just waiting for things? Or living with a state of uncertainty for some period of time? Or not bothering authority figures/decision makers and figuring they will do their jobs without being reminded/pestered on a regular basis.


Posted by: Buttercup | Link to this comment | 06- 2-16 11:14 AM
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I liked the movie and thought the linked review was el wrongo.


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 06- 2-16 11:16 AM
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As nosflow already reported!

* vanishes in a cloud of obsolescence *


Posted by: redfoxtailshrub | Link to this comment | 06- 2-16 11:17 AM
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Like, whatever happened to ... figuring they will do their jobs without being reminded/pestered on a regular basis.

I think the answer there would have to be pretty obvious...

(I think the answer generally is "those things became way way more important in their lives", but with the last one I wouldn't find it that surprising if the answer is "they learned that wasn't true".)


Posted by: MHPH | Link to this comment | 06- 2-16 11:28 AM
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30: I thought the linked review was basically right, but the movie is so well-executed it sort-of works anyway.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 06- 2-16 11:38 AM
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29. Tell them that until the grades are read by the administrator they have both passed and failed.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 06- 2-16 11:40 AM
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Tell them that you're hurt that they only seem to care about their grades and honors and that they should care more about your feelings.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 06- 2-16 11:44 AM
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Haha.

Maybe I will email them asking them to notify me when they check their grade, and how they feel about me after seeing the grade they received.


Posted by: Buttercup | Link to this comment | 06- 2-16 11:50 AM
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"There, there! All will be fine soon, or it won't!" Write that.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 06- 2-16 12:15 PM
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I will send you actual money, Buttercup, if you take the advice in 34. It's entirely in the spirit of the institution and it depresses me to think any of its students wouldn't cheer up instantly after getting that message. (Yeah, I'm sentimental today.) I remember seeing a note above a light switch in the admin building that said something like "Please turn lights off after use to conserve energy," below which a youthful hand had written "Energy is ALWAYS conserved." It was so cheap and obvious, and yet it was enough to break up the black mood I was in.


Posted by: lurid keyaki | Link to this comment | 06- 2-16 12:27 PM
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Is there a professor or administrator that you really don't like and/or who is your enemy?

If so tell them that they provisionally have a really good grade/honors, but subject to review by that person. So they should celebrate - unless Dr. Soandso decides to reverse the current grades as they stand they'll have something really great on their record!

Maybe do this over the phone rather than on email where there's obvious evidence of what you did after the fact and you can't just pretend they misunderstood what you were saying.


Posted by: MHPH | Link to this comment | 06- 2-16 1:22 PM
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My daughter graduates from there a week from tomorrow, but then she was raised on those kinds of jokes.


Posted by: idp | Link to this comment | 06- 2-16 1:24 PM
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30 but had you read the book?


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 06- 2-16 1:32 PM
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Wasn't all the Ripley stuff set in Europe? Also not much to do with USian suburbs


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 06- 2-16 2:07 PM
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Love in Suburbia ("They spiced their lives with other men's wives") is supposedly set in the same Tucson surburb where I grew up. That part of town existed in 1960, really? Now I'm tempted to look for a $0.97 copy on Amazon in case there's local knowledge, but if the point is homogeneity it might be a long shot.


Posted by: lourdes kayak | Link to this comment | 06- 2-16 8:47 PM
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Suburban US Highsmith is a subset of Highsmith. The Blunderer, Deep Water.


Posted by: lourdes kayak | Link to this comment | 06- 2-16 8:52 PM
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I can speak to the OP, a bit. Commie sailor grandad, as you know, moved to Ba/sildon with my grandmother as one of the very first families into the new town. They remembered - as does my mum - a steady flow of newspaper publicity of people supposedly getting "Ba/sildon syndrome" or forgetting which houses were which or suddenly getting into swinging in a big way. You know, all the clich├ęs in the OP. Just they never met or heard of anyone who was affected, and presumed the tabloid journos made it all up/cribbed it from American sources who probably made it all up.

The sociologist quoted in the OP who did fieldwork in the original Levittown described its citizens as "joiners" who were constantly forming clubs and being self-consciously civic. That, by contrast, is right on point. That era of Ba/sildonites had social capital like *Germans*.


Posted by: Alex | Link to this comment | 06- 3-16 4:40 AM
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with the last one I wouldn't find it that surprising if the answer is "they learned that wasn't true".

MHPH beat me to it. Basically they worked out rather earlier than our generation did that most people in positions of authority are lazy, stupid, incompetent and/or corrupt, and won't do a stroke of work unless you really hound them, and they are acting accordingly. Your being pestered is just collateral damage.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 06- 3-16 5:00 AM
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Everyday life in the British suburbs.

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Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 06- 3-16 6:12 AM
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"It was shocking. I've never seen anything like it in my life. Certainly not in a graveyard. It was such a beautiful day too."

Well they're not going to shoot it while it's raining are they?


Posted by: Ginger Yellow | Link to this comment | 06- 3-16 6:17 AM
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Rule 34 suggests they have shot it in the rain also.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06- 3-16 6:23 AM
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The suburbs ain't so bad.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 06- 3-16 7:04 AM
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I like the leafy, quiet inner city.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06- 3-16 7:10 AM
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47: They just made that up, right? So they could make jokes about willies, sandwiches, and on-off?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06- 3-16 7:11 AM
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I think it's probably legit. Certainly credible if you know Hull, which has, shall we say, seen better days.

"The cemetery has a rich history. Philip Larkin used to ride his bike through it. So we all hope this is a one off."


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 06- 3-16 7:17 AM
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"They fuck you on your mum and dad".


Posted by: Ginger Yellow | Link to this comment | 06- 3-16 7:25 AM
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Heh.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06- 3-16 7:26 AM
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54 is wonderful (catching up on old threads here, don't judge me).


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 06- 7-16 8:19 AM
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