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Most likely Express is the compromise outlet that they're willing to fund for their ladies.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 06-15-16 7:00 AM
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Or, is there some fluky thing about Express having sizes for super-tall guys? If it's the mass-market reasonably fashionable brand that's going to have your size if you're 6'7', that'd explain it.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 06-15-16 7:05 AM
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Also plausible! I think we have this covered.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 06-15-16 7:09 AM
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I think they just have Express-grade fashion taste.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 06-15-16 7:13 AM
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Also also, a lot of these guys end up broke and it's actually really depressing.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 06-15-16 7:13 AM
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This is going to get racist, isn't it?


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 06-15-16 7:13 AM
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My assumption was the same as LB's. I am not convinced ogged is really on-trend, but what do I know?


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 06-15-16 7:14 AM
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No time to blog, but heh to this: https://twitter.com/Soccerpolitics/status/742516213075615745

And endorse Drum's Trump/Nazi post.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 06-15-16 7:38 AM
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I read the twitter feed.

Some people need to rewatch Triumph of the Will. The Trump Rally is not that and won't ever be Nuremberg.

Maybe part of what is scary is that just as that kind of discipline is no longer available on the right, any countering organization is not available on the left.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 06-15-16 7:52 AM
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Trump: Hitler without the class.


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 06-15-16 8:00 AM
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Stephen Curry has been a "brand ambassador"/endorser of Express. Peer pressure to shop there among the NBAers?


Posted by: bill | Link to this comment | 06-15-16 8:06 AM
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11 reminds me, there are constant Express ads in Chicago with the new star of the Cubs, Kris Bryant. I guess this is their niche.


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Well, don't want to hijack this thread into politics, and who broke the 40 rule, but anyone who wants to get a clue as to what is going on with Trump, what kinds of tools are available to right and left based on material conditions, might try

Riot Strike Riot 2016, written by Joshua Clover, poet and communist. And Jodi Dean.

Blurb: "Rioting was the central form of protest in the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries, and was supplanted by the strike in the early nineteenth century. It returned to prominence in the 1970s, profoundly changed along with the coordinates of race and class."

Drum is a bourgeois idiot.

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PS: Will be really pissed if Cleveland pulls this out. PPS: How the fuck did the Rangers become the 2nd best team in baseball? Get Darvish back by fall, and they become monsters.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 06-15-16 8:26 AM
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Maybe they just buy enough sets of clothes they don't have to do laundry?


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 06-15-16 8:34 AM
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I'm in the process of wearing this faux leather Express jacket until it disintegrates. Best jacket in years. (My taste isn't even basic, it's nonexistent, but the jacket has somehow become a second skin. Other than this and the other of the 2-for-1 jacket purchase, I own a pair of paisley Express leggings from 1992. I might have played basketball in them.)

But: personal finance. Landlords, the IRS, and mad, ever-expanding unquenchable desires for a different life are forcing us to be more frugal. Everyone loves the stories of colossal savings and life transformation, but here is the thing: they make life seem unbearably boring. You think about money all the fucking time, at least for however long it takes to declare victory. Has anyone here done any of these intensive-frugality experiments? I did one for six months in my 20s and the results were indeed impressive, and I don't remember it being all I ever thought about. Is that monomania just an artifact of seeing people blog about it, say? Indeed, is there any writing on the subject that's eloquent and not deadly?


Posted by: lurid keyaki | Link to this comment | 06-15-16 8:53 AM
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8 Let me! I've got a post in mind and I was going to cite the Kevin Drum article.

Now I've done it...


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 06-15-16 8:54 AM
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16 which I also endorse.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 06-15-16 8:54 AM
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15: There was that Harvard debt guy who blogged about paying off his MBA loans in a year that we linked to a couple of times, maybe five years back? He sounded sort of depressingly bro-ish, but the extreme frugality thing he was doing didn't seem monomanical exactly.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 06-15-16 8:59 AM
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Speaking of basketball players and money -- I smiled at this story:

Several members of the Cleveland Cavaliers decided to pass on purchasing tickets [for friends and family] to Games 1 and 2 in Oakland, California, after they were upset about the price the Golden State Warriors were charging and the location of the seats, sources told ESPN.

The Warriors offered the Cavaliers lower-level tickets, in the corners of the arena, to buy for their friends and family for $1,300 each. Last year, those tickets were about half that price, sources said.

Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 06-15-16 9:03 AM
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18: He followed us home, but we couldn't keep him.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-15-16 9:07 AM
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Can't speak as to the men's clothing, but I really like the dress pants at the Express. I think they're made by the same people who do Victoria's Secret catalog dress pants.


Posted by: J, Robot | Link to this comment | 06-15-16 9:08 AM
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life seem unbearably boring.

Talking out of my ass because not particularly frugal, but: I think that the biggest issue is social life. Doing stuff with other people usually winds up costing something. If you always turn down invitations, eventually they will stop coming.

That said, as long as you yourself don't have tastes that incline to stupid luxury, and have similar friends, reasonably-priced getting together is manageable. Possibly this means letting the friendship with Dikembe go.


Posted by: lw | Link to this comment | 06-15-16 9:11 AM
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Has anyone here done any of these intensive-frugality experiments? I did one for six months in my 20s and the results were indeed impressive, and I don't remember it being all I ever thought about.

I've never tried intensive-frugality (just average frugality) and I would say (1) It definitely took more mental energy. There are all sorts of opportunities to trade time for money; but you have to keep an eye out for them. I'm not being frugal at the moment, and it's very nice to not feel like I have to be constantly monitoring. (2) Some forms of frugality get more difficult as you get older -- I feel like, for example, eating right or having a decent mattress become more important as you age. (3) I'd agree with lw's point about social life.


Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 06-15-16 9:18 AM
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18 was the thing I was just reading, in fact, since someone I'm close to is starting an MBA this fall. He seems to have been a lot more invested in the life of steady-state overconsumption than I ever have been, and his frugality seems to be more or less its mirror image. My pathologies are probably just too different. I always did like "Your Money or Your Life." Maybe an account specifically by artists trying to save money to make time for art is the thing to seek out.


Posted by: lurid keyaki | Link to this comment | 06-15-16 9:18 AM
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18: Wasn't one of the points that the frugality was only by comparison with his social set? Like, having people over for beers and pizza instead of spending $1,000 in one night at a cocktail bar?


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 06-15-16 9:27 AM
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Only $1000 for cocktails for his friends? What a loser


Posted by: R Tigre | Link to this comment | 06-15-16 9:36 AM
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If you are a real friend, you won't care if they only buy you well drinks.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-15-16 10:30 AM
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more importantly, who is the beefcake factory of clothing stores?


Posted by: yoyo | Link to this comment | 06-15-16 10:40 AM
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You think about money all the fucking time, at least for however long it takes to declare victory.

Likewise dieting. The amount of thought it takes is an additional annoyance.


Posted by: Megan | Link to this comment | 06-15-16 11:01 AM
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I'm constitutionally frugal, and it's kind of awful. I worry about money far more than I need to worry about money, and in the back of my mind I feel an intense need to prepare to live in a cardboard box. The instinct has served me well financially--I have managed to save between 5-85% of my stipend every year in grad school, but it isn't a pleasant way to live. I hate spending money at restaurants and bars, and I find the process of tipping so stressful that I outsource social spending to my boyfriend. As in, I'll give him a $20 and tell him to buy me drinks with it or pay for my meal, rather than handle the money myself. It helps me relax and enjoy the moment to not have to physically watch money be spent. I've gotten less miserly as I've gotten older (and developed an income)--as a small child, I saved my allowance to pay for college, and as a teen I would walk three miles home from school rather than spend $1 for youth bus fare if I'd left my bus pass at home. I have a major problem with spending savings, even if I've saved them for the express purpose of having them available to spend later.

My big frugality thing this year is not buying any clothes (except for underwear), and I while there have been times I've been tempted, it hasn't been that hard. I don't really live in a neighborhood where there's a lot of shopping temptation (though they just opened a Marshall's, so that's changing). It's hard to avoid the lifestyle creep most of my friends are indulging in, even though our incomes haven't gone up. People now take uber instead of public transit for 90 minutes, or buy yoga memberships even though we can do free yoga through the gym, and go to trendy bars that require an uber rather than drink in the neighborhood dive bars etc. I have to say, it's hard to be poor but middle class in your 30s, because it's less socially acceptable to do the sorts of scrappy things people expect you to do when you're poor in your mid 20s.


Posted by: Buttercup | Link to this comment | 06-15-16 11:03 AM
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Man, if I made $2 million a year, my wardrobe would be insane.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 06-15-16 11:08 AM
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I also save a ton of money relative to other women by not really spending money on grooming or anything femme. I don't wear makeup, have my boyfriend cut my hair, shave my legs sporadically with men's disposable bic razors, buy cheap shampoo, use no other hair products, and moisturize with a giant bottle of drugstore moisturizer.* I've never had a manicure or pedicure. (I do own some cheap nail polish and I paint my own nails occasionally). The makeup I do own I keep for years. My lipstick is 10 years old, and I have 12 year old lip gloss. I do replace my eye make up more frequently, but I keep it around for 2-3 years before replacing it, not the recommended 6 months.

*My one luxury is I bought some $15 retinol cream, which lasts about a year and does seem to reduce eye and forehead wrinkles.


Posted by: Buttercup | Link to this comment | 06-15-16 11:10 AM
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What if somebody offered you $2 million a year but for the rest of your life you could only wear clothes you bought from Marshall's?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-15-16 11:11 AM
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31: Kickstarter! Don't we all want too see neb actualize his sartorial splendor?


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 06-15-16 11:14 AM
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My family was super frugal, and has always lived below their means in ways MC people don't normally do. IHAMHB, Growing up our clothes mostly came from Goodwill or hand-me-downs, and my dad got our first color TV out of a dumpster. He would also get a lot of our groceries from a dumpster behind a supermarket near his work. We almost never had new or name brand items, so I just got used to not having what other kids had.*

The one way I spend money I don't need is by buying in bulk, and with food that means stuff goes bad before I can eat it. It would be cheaper and less wasteful to buy smaller quantities, but I have a hard time with that. I am trying to be more realistic about what I will use or not use, food-wise, so I don't end up throwing out rotten vegetables. I also physically can't throw out food that's still edible, so I'll have arguments with my boyfriend about saving food neither of us wants to eat, because he rightly points out that I stick it in the fridge until it goes bad and then throw it out, and it would be far more straightforward just to throw it out.

*Graduating from HS, my mother (rightly enough) refused to buy me a robe when she'd bought one for my brother 4 years earlier. They'd changed the robes over that period of time, so it meant I was the only one wearing a purply-red shiny robe instead of a tomato-red matte robe.


Posted by: Buttercup | Link to this comment | 06-15-16 11:21 AM
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He would also get a lot of our groceries from a dumpster behind a supermarket near his work.

Too far over the line!


Posted by: R Tigre | Link to this comment | 06-15-16 11:24 AM
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I enjoy saving money by sleeping on a lice-infested mattress under the freeway. It's just how I was raised, unlike my free-spending upper middle class "friends."


Posted by: R Tigre | Link to this comment | 06-15-16 11:25 AM
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Ask yourself: Do you NEED more than one pair of underwear, or do you WANT more than one pair of underwear?


Posted by: R Tigre | Link to this comment | 06-15-16 11:26 AM
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37: I read in Slate (or was it the Atlantic) that after a while your body becomes accustomed to the lice and it doesn't itch at all. Is that true?


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 06-15-16 11:28 AM
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38: Pro-tip -- brown underwear doesn't show stains!


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 06-15-16 11:29 AM
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I remember now that I asked Buttercup if she was a freegan. I guess the answer is almost, but not quite.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 06-15-16 11:30 AM
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Yes, I've found it financially convenient never to switch from "you're obligated not to be vain and so should never spend time or money on your appearance" to "you're obligated to make yourself look nice or you will offend people." Both in caricature, obviously, but there was a pretty significant norm shift in my small pocket of the world between identity-formation-time and now. I'm happily ignoring it.

I bought some makeup once and was shocked by how much it cost, and I never wear it (except foundation very occasionally). I may flip out after turning 40 and reverse 180 degrees, straight into forty more years of age denial. I hate aging much more than I ever thought I would.


Posted by: lurid keyaki | Link to this comment | 06-15-16 11:30 AM
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I'm worried that there's something wrong with the sale shirt here. Could you all reassure me that it's OK even if it costs so much less than the others?


Posted by: lw | Link to this comment | 06-15-16 11:40 AM
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42 seems unbearably smug and vile. You guys know by now it's all a thin veneer over a bottomless pit of self-loathing, right? Right? I don't quite feel like describing the bottomless pit today, or even speculating about its effect on my finances.


Posted by: lurid keyaki | Link to this comment | 06-15-16 11:42 AM
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44: Not unbearably smug or vile at all.

Anyway, we all hate ourselves here!


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 06-15-16 11:48 AM
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Inadvertent frugality: last year was tight all year, and in fact we fell behind on some bills. We weren't really sure why until I finally did our taxes and discovered that AB's income had dropped by over 40%. Mine had dipped a bit (mostly due to one deadbeat client who finally paid me last week), but hers just cratered, and it had been, the previous year, about 45% of our total income.

She's now on pace to earn something like her entire 2015 income by July, with more work on the horizon, so that's nice, but it was a heckuva hit.

Probably the easiest single thing we could do would be to skip alcohol at review dinners, where we spend something like $40/week. It would be a distinct hit in quality of life, but in terms of mental effort and feeling deprived, I can't imagine what else would match it.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 06-15-16 11:48 AM
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45.2: How dare you presume to talk for everyone, peep! Ignorant slut!


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 06-15-16 11:49 AM
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44. Damn, lk, sounds like you are feeling bad. Unironically, be good to yourself. An empty wallet is not a curse telling you anything deeper, it's a transient problem.


Posted by: lw | Link to this comment | 06-15-16 11:55 AM
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43: Surely they just want to move it (or them, I see 2 on sale)? I mean, there's an implicit indication that the market of Barney's customers didn't find them as desirable as Barney's thought they would*, but I wouldn't leap from that to "they're hideous, unwearable at any price." But I don't see anything that puts them out of line with all of the other, still-expensive shirts.

On a separate note, the models are photoshopped to be really narrow, right? I mean, those aren't merely skinny dudes, they look like the JPEG was shrunk 15% in the x direction only.

*it's entirely plausible that they ordered more of them, thinking they'd seen huge, but they've in fact only sold about as many as all the rest


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 06-15-16 11:59 AM
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Probably the easiest single thing we could do would be to skip alcohol at review dinners, where we spend something like $40/week

It's not paid for?!


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 06-15-16 12:01 PM
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But you sleep so much more soundly knowing how much you saved for retirement.

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Weirdly enough, despite being a grad student I am less scrappy than my roots. I eat free food on campus all the time, but I've never actually taken anything out of a dumpster and eaten it.

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Yeah, I feel like as a youngish attractive woman one can get away with looking respectable without makeup, but that gets harder to pull off as an older woman. The retinol cream is my first foray into the actual women's skincare market, and it's not something I would have ever thought I'd use 5 years ago.


Posted by: Buttercup | Link to this comment | 06-15-16 12:04 PM
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easiest single thing we could do would be to skip alcohol at review dinners, where we spend something like $40/week

Just pregame in the parking lot with a flask. No problem.


Posted by: R Tigre | Link to this comment | 06-15-16 12:04 PM
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Yeah, it looks like they're just trying to move inventory. If you've noticed they appear to be sold out of multiple sizes in those colors. Buy away, if you want an expensive but not hideously expensive dress shirt.

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If you can't self-loath here, where can you self-loath?

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Yikes! Sorry to hear that. I hope the bills are now manageable, and glad to hear her income has recovered. That's a big dip in income.


Posted by: Buttercup | Link to this comment | 06-15-16 12:10 PM
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loathe?


Posted by: Buttercup | Link to this comment | 06-15-16 12:10 PM
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Unironically, be good to yourself. An empty wallet is not a curse telling you anything deeper, it's a transient problem.

Yes, this is correct, though it sucks to have to be non-ironic. Direct the loathing outwards! Turn those flames of self-loathing into a flamethrower!


Posted by: R Tigre | Link to this comment | 06-15-16 12:12 PM
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Loathe. It's funny how, this time around with The House at Pooh Corner, it's clear to me that Eeyore is an insufferable jerk who deserves to have rocks thrown at him. I used to pity him, but he's so relentlessly nasty. Fuck off, Eeyore.


Posted by: lurid keyaki | Link to this comment | 06-15-16 12:16 PM
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Good. First, flamethrow Eeyore. Then, the world.


Posted by: R Tigre | Link to this comment | 06-15-16 12:18 PM
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56: Just what I expected.


Posted by: Eeyore | Link to this comment | 06-15-16 12:23 PM
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Rabbit is the real asshole.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 06-15-16 12:23 PM
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A friend in grad school used to call me Eeyore.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 06-15-16 12:24 PM
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But you sleep so much more soundly knowing how much you saved for retirement.

I don't know that this is true. I think if you're a worrier, you're going to worry. I find some encouragement in knowing there are little baskets of safety here and there, but maybe that's because I don't have much room to lecture others on self-loathing.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 06-15-16 12:25 PM
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53.1 My link was ironic humor, characteristically succesful. Here, this is sincere:
https://www.vlisco.com/en/vlisco/types/super-wax/vl066418.06/


I am procrastinating, have unfinished work but need to get my ex's cat from the vet.


Posted by: lw | Link to this comment | 06-15-16 12:25 PM
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The end of this thread feels good. Like Unfogged of old.


Posted by: will | Link to this comment | 06-15-16 12:25 PM
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Hold on what's wrong with food from dumpsters?

I mean, yes leftovers and stuff is probably well into the realm of the desperate. But there's an awful lot of perfectly usable food that ends up in dumpsters from people moving, supermarkets throwing stuff out, etc. I've found plenty of canned or otherwise sealed up food, pantry items, bulk spices, and so on in dumpsters and there's nothing unsafe about that.


Posted by: MHPH | Link to this comment | 06-15-16 12:25 PM
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But you sleep so much more soundly knowing how much you saved for retirement.

It's odd, because I'm much older than you (Buttercup), but I can't worry about something that far away. I worry about losing my job in the next couple of hours because I can't stop commenting but that's as far ahead as I can worry, and it still doesn't make me behave.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 06-15-16 12:28 PM
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60: Mywife has called me Eeyore, from time to time.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 06-15-16 12:30 PM
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Given 59, peep, do you call her Rabbit?


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 06-15-16 12:31 PM
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It's not paid for?!

Nope. Partly on the premise that alcohol isn't really in our purview ("The Yeungling was cold and crisp..."), but mostly due to cheapness. I mean, they don't mind reimbursing the kids' sodas and juices.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 06-15-16 12:32 PM
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57 is an unusually good candidate for mouseover text.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 06-15-16 12:35 PM
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67: No! What are you insinuating, Thorn?

I can't reveal what I call my wife.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 06-15-16 12:35 PM
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"Snookums"


Posted by: R Tigre | Link to this comment | 06-15-16 12:35 PM
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Yuengling isn't really crisp, is it? It's malty to me. I'd try more different beers, but some people decided to use way too many hops.

(Research note: In Delaware, if you ask for a "lager", they ask you what kind.)


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-15-16 12:36 PM
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Speaking of loathing things that deserve to be loathed, this insanely great New Yorker parody feels like it needs to be mentioned here.


Posted by: R Tigre | Link to this comment | 06-15-16 12:39 PM
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There is truth to that. I have to remind myself I don't want to become a miser who dies alone on her piles of money. Or more realistically, like my grandfather's best friend, who AIHMHB, used packing crates as furniture and wore old patched pants he tied with a rope and ate canned food out of the can, and after he died, a million dollars in cash was found in the floorboards.

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Haha well, maybe you were just really really bourgie.

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I started worrying about saving for retirement in my early 20s. It's a weird combo, crazy neurotic worrying + desire to live out of a car and bum around the world. It just means I'm a hoarder who moves every year or so.


Posted by: Buttercup | Link to this comment | 06-15-16 12:43 PM
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Back to the OP, I'm skeptical. A single pair of Russell Westbrook's Dior Homme pants would cost as much as like ten or twenty pairs at Express.* And anyway, what would the average NBA player buy at Express? The average NBA player is 6'7", according to Wikipedia, and on the Express website, most pants have a maximum inseam of 34 inches. Nor do I believe they're buying tons of clothes for their wives and girflriends -- Ayesha Curry for sure does not shop at Express, even if her husband does wear shitty shoes.

*I didn't even know that Express made men's clothes, until reading this post. I had thought that Express' men's store was Structure, where you went in 1995 to stock up on Fresh Prince style jewel-toned silk shirts.


Posted by: jms | Link to this comment | 06-15-16 12:46 PM
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a hoarder who moves every year or so.

The actual worst life! Seriously: hope it's not so bad? "Hoard Light: A Nomad's Manifesto," by Buttercup.


Posted by: lurid keyaki | Link to this comment | 06-15-16 12:47 PM
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this insanely great New Yorker parody feels like it needs to be mentioned here.

I wasn't convinced it was great until I got to the "Contributors" page:

Andrew Lipstein (the financial page, p 23), founded 0s & 1s Read (0s-1s.com), a digital bookstore/lit website, and works at Meural, an art tech startup.

(although, apparently the joke is on me. I thought that was brilliant parody, but 0s-1s.com is real).


Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 06-15-16 1:04 PM
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Sometimes I wonder if Buttercup's true identity is that of a member of The East.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 06-15-16 1:46 PM
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My wife calls me Eeyore because I'm hung like a donkey.


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79- And you're always droopy.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 06-15-16 2:00 PM
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Speaking of basketball players this is an amazing piece written by a WNBA player.

Orlando is where I was born and raised. Pulse, the gay nightclub, is just ten minutes from my mom's house. Five minutes from where I graduated high school.

When we landed in New York, my mom called.

"Everything is on lockdown, Z," she said. "Police are everywhere. All the streets around here are crime scenes."

And then she asked, "Have you heard from your sister?"

I hadn't. No one had.

My younger sister is gay. She'd been at Pulse the weekend before.

Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 06-15-16 2:01 PM
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Now this thread feels like old Unfogged.


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62: I've been resisting wax prints for mostly stupid and complicated reasons but skeins of yarn may be irresistible.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 06-15-16 2:08 PM
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This store has onesies with "I'm so cute, I must be X" for three values of X: Irish, Italian, and Jewish. The rest of you are out of luck.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-15-16 2:47 PM
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There's a guy in the Strip who sells "X Steelers Fan" t-shirts with a breathtaking array of X: I would say easily 30, possibly 50. Basically, every European nationality (including the Balkans; maybe not the Baltics), the major Asian ones, and a few others. It's sort of like the cliche of Democratic bumper stickers: "Asian-Pacific Islanders for the Steelers".


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84: I want a onesie that say, "If you ain't Irish, Italian, or Jewish, you ain't shit."


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+s


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I still have my NURSES FOR GORE-LIEBERMAN and SLOVENIANS FOR GORE-LIEBERMAN buttons.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 06-15-16 3:16 PM
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OT: Am I the only one surprised that this is the Disney World resort's first alligator incident? At first I ungenerously thought this was the parents' fault for letting a toddler in Florida wade in a freshwater lake, but then I saw a picture of the beach. It looks like every other lakefront swimming beach "up north," and with lawn chairs! To someone raised in Florida such as myself, lakes (and canals, and soggy lawn swales, and water traps, and rivers) are danger zones full of poisonous snakes and gators, but I can't blame tourists for not knowing, especially given how the resorts landscaped the area.

(And yes, I know that gators aren't generally aggressive. I still think Disney created an attractive nuisance, even if there were a few "no swimming" signs.)


Posted by: J, Robot | Link to this comment | 06-15-16 4:04 PM
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Ugh. They were from Nebraska.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-15-16 5:15 PM
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They'd probably never seen water.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 06-15-16 5:32 PM
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Maybe not water deep enough to hide an alligator.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-15-16 5:41 PM
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The retinol cream is my first foray into the actual women's skincare market..

Do they make this stuff for men? Like, maybe the same product in a tub labeled "axle grease"?

Because it turns out I spent much of my youth in the sun, and the wrinkles are emerging. I'm not happy about it, on account of my exceptional vanity.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 06-15-16 6:29 PM
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89: I was shocked and stunned that Disney was so stupid, and I would like to know if warnings were issued and children not allowed at the movie but it doesn't matter the Nebraska parents should end up with roughly 30-50% of Disney total equity for this fuckup for psychological distress alone.

Had a picture in my head last night of the gator grabbing one of the toddler's legs and the daddy dying inside because he just won't pull hard enough. Dad did have a hold on the kid as the gator dragged the kid into the water. Do you let go? Gator won't.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 06-15-16 6:37 PM
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You are in luck. No endorsement implied.


Posted by: lurid keyaki | Link to this comment | 06-15-16 6:37 PM
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Our vanity is exceptional because it is about three inches lower than the bathroom sinks of anybody else I have seen. It was like that when we bought the place.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-15-16 6:47 PM
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95 - Thanks, I'm on it.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 06-15-16 6:56 PM
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Boy's Body Found

"body intact with a few puncture wounds"

Drowned*. Dad tried to pry gator's jaws apart. I'll still bet it was an arm or leg.

Warning signs all over, but inadequate. You don't get away with anodyne warning signs when you organize a fucking family beach event.

*My understanding is that gators hold on to the drowned big stuff until it decomposes. Search activity scared it away.

Don't care. Gators and Disney can just die.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 06-15-16 7:00 PM
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Maybe not water deep enough to hide an alligator.

I believe it was Robert Fogel who, demonstrating his mastery of the economist's toolbox, came up with a counterfactual history of American economic development in which the transcontinental railroads came later, following the expansion of the interior shipping trade to include significant amounts of cargo being sent up and down the Platte.


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 06-15-16 8:47 PM
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This seems like the kind of thing people here like if they haven't already seen it; http://digg.com/video/ted-talk-parody.


Posted by: roger the cabin boy | Link to this comment | 06-15-16 11:01 PM
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99: transported by ekranoplan, clearly.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 06-15-16 11:55 PM
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For the other end of the NBA player spectrum, here's an in-depth look at where Russell Westbrook's clothing comes from.


Posted by: Unfoggetarian: "Pause endlessly, then go in" (9) | Link to this comment | 06-16-16 12:52 AM
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"No swimming signs" don't (if one is picky) also imply "Don't wade in foot-deep water." Also, "Don't go near the alligators" implies you can see the ones you aren't going near.

I'm oddly relieved that the kid wasn't eaten, even though I'm not surprised as gators cache their kills for later use.


Posted by: DaveLMA | Link to this comment | 06-16-16 5:04 AM
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Steamships came up to Fort Benton.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 06-16-16 6:52 AM
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Warning signs all over, but inadequate.
Honestly, the tick-tock sound should've been enough.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 06-16-16 7:18 AM
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The Missouri is a very different river than the Platte. Even near its mouth, the Platte really isn't going to float more than a canoe.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-16-16 7:26 AM
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Anyway, I'm about to take ship for the strange land they call "New Jersey."


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-16-16 7:28 AM
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107: But no one's ever gotten out of there alive!


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 06-16-16 7:33 AM
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They say the people getting off the boat did.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-16-16 7:36 AM
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I'm about to take ship for the strange land they call "New Jersey."

Don't swim in the water!!


Posted by: will | Link to this comment | 06-16-16 7:46 AM
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I'm worried that there's something wrong with the sale shirt here. Could you all reassure me that it's OK even if it costs so much less than the others?

The more important question is what the hell is wrong with the prices of the shirts that aren't on sale?! Are those prices a joke?


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 06-16-16 8:31 AM
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I'm oddly relieved that the kid wasn't eaten

I can't imagine this being much comfort to the parents.


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 06-16-16 8:33 AM
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110: Particularly at Action Park.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 06-16-16 8:42 AM
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I do think bob is right that the family will end up with pretty significant compensation from Disney.


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 06-16-16 8:47 AM
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Disney's PR people should be telling GC, don't fight this at all.


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 06-16-16 8:56 AM
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For the other end of the NBA player spectrum, here's an in-depth look at where Russell Westbrook's clothing comes from.

Also, note that, "He wears each outfit only one time. And then gives them away."


Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 06-16-16 8:59 AM
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It seems weird to have cell service in the middle of a bay, but here we are.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-16-16 9:05 AM
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AB was confused by this--"Why would Disney put an alligator in their resort lake!?"--and I had to explain that, per 89, gators are essentially endemic to freshwater in Florida. It's like asking, "Why did Disney put mosquitoes at their resort?"


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118: but why didn't they put bleach in the water? That will keep alligators away.


Posted by: urple | Link to this comment | 06-16-16 9:44 AM
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Everything people say about New Jersey drivers is true.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-16-16 2:01 PM
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Report: New Jersey Drivers Among Best In Country http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2015/12/07/report-new-jersey-driving-among-best-in-country/

That was the first hit on Google for the phrase, "New Jersey Drivers are"


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 06-16-16 2:08 PM
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119: Liberal environmentalists! The real enemy!


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 06-16-16 2:09 PM
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121 is convincing evidence that the Google algorithm is broken.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 06-16-16 2:26 PM
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Or it explains why anybody survives.


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I can't imagine this being much comfort to the parents.

Unless they had to identify the body, like parents of kids killed at Sandy Hook.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 06-16-16 2:59 PM
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OT: Nobody will let me sit in George Washington's chair.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-16-16 3:09 PM
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Unless they had to identify the body
How many two year olds did Disney expect to find in their lagoon?


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 06-16-16 3:13 PM
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I suspect that the rules for identification vary by jurisdiction, but I remember cases of my mom's in which verification by kin was performed even when there was no doubt about the identity of the victim.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 06-16-16 3:25 PM
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Plus, it's Disney. They stopped looking when they found the one kid, but there could be more.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 06-16-16 3:26 PM
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The crack might make it a better symbol for the fragility of liberty, but still, shitty work is shitty work.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-16-16 3:28 PM
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It was the British who cast that bell.


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 06-16-16 3:34 PM
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There's a guy on CNN saying he grabbed his small child from an alligator at Disney, told them about it, and the manager laughed at him.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-16-16 4:48 PM
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There's a guy smuggling Yuengling out of the free hotel happy hour. And it's not me.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-16-16 4:57 PM
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How do people watch CNN without free Yuengling?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-16-16 5:16 PM
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Some people pay for their Yuengling.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 06-16-16 6:03 PM
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They can be done at places with no CNN.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-16-16 6:13 PM
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But what about airports? You can't expect people to forsake Yuengling in airports.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 06-16-16 6:27 PM
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I think they should kill the Airport CNN providers, they way they killed all the Hare Krishna guys, but nobody ever asks me.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-16-16 6:30 PM
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CNN at airports is terrible. The worst is where they space out the TVs so its almost impossible to escape. I think they do it to deter people from living in airports, like Tom Hanks did in that movie.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 06-17-16 3:20 AM
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There's a guy on CNN saying he grabbed his small child from an alligator at Disney, told them about it, and the manager laughed at him.

This is the Florida equivalent of "the stork brought you", right?


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 06-17-16 3:21 AM
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The manager presumably was commenting on the patron's BMI in comparison with that of an alligator.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 06-17-16 3:39 AM
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I found a change machine that gives you $1.02 if you put in $1.00.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-17-16 5:44 AM
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Metro Bank, by any chance?


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Working link


Posted by: Ginger Yellow | Link to this comment | 06-17-16 6:22 AM
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I'm trying to figure out if there are enough coins in the machine to scale up enough to cover the costs of depositing coins.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-17-16 6:30 AM
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Did a duck boat sink and somebody drown? Asking maybe too late.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-17-16 7:02 AM
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Sylvester Stallone Museum ahoy.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-17-16 7:19 AM
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Some guy is running the steps. Because cliche.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-17-16 7:20 AM
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Many banks have a coin counting machine in the lobby and if you have an account there they don't usually charge a fee for it either the way CoinStar or whatever usually does.

The last time I used one at my local branch I got to see someone with over two thousand dollars worth of coins, which was amazing.


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148: Is the music playing or does he have to hum it for himself?


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 06-17-16 7:33 AM
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The music was playing on the duck boat.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-17-16 7:34 AM
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Your banks charge you money to deposit money?


Posted by: Ginger Yellow | Link to this comment | 06-17-16 7:50 AM
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I mean, other than through shitty interest rates.


Posted by: Ginger Yellow | Link to this comment | 06-17-16 7:51 AM
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WW 2 battleships look small.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-17-16 7:55 AM
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No, banks don't charge to deposit coins.

The CoinStar machines don't charge either if you turn your coins into a gift card. Get an Amazon gift card.


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 06-17-16 7:59 AM
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Did not fall into the Delaware.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-17-16 8:03 AM
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Napoleonic battleships also look small.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 06-17-16 8:12 AM
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And I did not fall into Portsmouth harbor.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 06-17-16 8:14 AM
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While Moby liveblogs his travels, let's all post-blog ours.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 06-17-16 8:16 AM
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The Santa Maria looked very small even docked on the Scioto River. But now she's gone.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 06-17-16 8:17 AM
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I was on that. On Columbus Day.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-17-16 8:29 AM
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And she probably won't be back -- http://www.10tv.com/article/santa-maria-replica-wont-return-columbus-riverfront

Guess I missed my chance to discover America.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 06-17-16 8:31 AM
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161: Way to celebrate genocide, oppressor.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 06-17-16 8:32 AM
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It was 1998 or so.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-17-16 8:33 AM
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164: Were you Columbus for Ameriflora?


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163: There were protesters saying just that.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-17-16 8:34 AM
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165 was supposed to have an "in" but this way is better.


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165: Yes, but I didn't go.


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168: I didn't go either.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 06-17-16 8:47 AM
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That's why it failed.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-17-16 9:00 AM
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You not going, that is. Nobody could have expected me to go.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-17-16 9:02 AM
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171: No one could have expected me to go unless to protest.


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172: But the protestors didn't pay the admission fee.


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152: no, they just charge for converting coins to bills, if you don't have an account with them.


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To assuage everyone's consciences, I point out that the Santa Maria was not a battleship, and therefore no-one was ever obliged to visit and to be disappointed, in person, by its diminutive displacement.


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Honestly "getting stronger"/the theme from rocky should be played more often. If it was piped in at work I'd be twice as productive. It is humanity's core discovery of the sound for becoming more awesome. Everything is a training montage! Just like we'll never see music that signals "this is funny" better than Yakety Sax. Literally anything is funny when you add in Yakety Sax.


Posted by: R Tigre | Link to this comment | 06-17-16 9:53 AM
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Which is why it's generally added to things that aren't funny to begin with.


Posted by: Ginger Yellow | Link to this comment | 06-17-16 10:09 AM
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Does Roy Rogers exist except for turnpike service plazas?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06-17-16 10:49 AM
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"There's a little bit of Trigger in every bite."


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At one point Roy Rogers was down to about 10 locations that were not at turnpike rest stops. Now there are about 40, mostly in Maryland.

There are no PA or NY locations outside the turnpike rest stops.


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humanity's core discovery of the sound for becoming more awesome.

My idea for a patent: everyone's phone has a theme song phrase selected, like a ringtone but with more bass. The phones also have threshold detectors. Every single entrance into a room, into an elevator, into a subway car, is consequently automatically heralded, though of course the copyright owner of the riff gets a micropayment.


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My god. Rick Derringer would be a billionaire.


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Now there are about 40, mostly in Maryland.

That's funny. The response in my head was, "of course, there are tons of Roy Rogers." But apparently I have terrapin blinders.


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183: Roy Rogers was big, back when I went to high school in Bethesda Maryland. We used to call it Roy Rogé because we were cool like that.


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181 is great. ALL SHALL HAVE LEITMOTIFS.


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One of the neglected awesome bits of "Starship Troopers" is that, when the troops need to be withdrawn from an enemy planet, they find their way back to their landing craft by homing in on broadcasts of Forties show tunes. The narrator's landing craft plays a song by the guys who wrote "Camelot".


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180: Thanks. I had no idea.


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I'm still here trying to wrap my head around the Disney resort beaches. I truly can't believe they haven't had more serious problems before this. I wonder if the lifeguards were typically quicker to keep people from going into the water.

I used to see a ton of alligators when I was a kid, and my dad and I would go canoeing. They scared the crap out of me. It was really strange to move north for grad school and realize that yes, people really do swim in lakes.


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I mean, in Jersey, they all have snakes in them. Or at least Action Park did.


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In New Jersey, the state put out road signs reading "High Accident Area" and drivers assumed those signs were as imperative as the stop signs.


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If I've parsed that right, the signs worked


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