allergic reactions to waxing burns
I guess if you aren't allergic to burns, go ahead and burn yourself.
I just had my physical yesterday. I'm still just barely not obese. My doctor said that I should maybe eat less. Who would have figured he'd be right about about?
Sixty-two percent of a nationally representative sample of 3,316 women said they opted for complete removal of their pubic hair;
I call bullshit on this.
I'm not going to read the article again but it doesn't seem to differentiate between grooming that gives you a constant look with regular upkeep and "yeah, I tried that once to see what it was like" and the whole spectrum in between.
And it is indeed bullshit! Under "Have you ever removed all your hair?" the answers are broken out by category - never, 1-5 times, 2-5 times, 6-10 times, and more than 10 times. "Never" is 37.9% of all women. So "opting for complete removal of pubic hair" includes women doing it for their honeymoon, vacations, etc. I think if you're under 10 times total, it's not your permanent 24/7 look. About 20% are over 10 times total.
I don't know about the spectrum of in pubic hair, but more women I see around campus are going for pastels for the hair on their heads.
I just bought some depilatory goo with the intention of trying it on my junk just to see how it feels. I suspect it will burn like a motherfucker, but I'm willing to do it for science.
Wait, Paul Campos* isn't a trustworthy and reliable academic source?
*ironically (Alanis ironically?) he embodies all of the bullshittitude of law professors even in criticizing law professors for being bullshit artists. It's like a snake eating its own tail. Or, it's not like that at all but I like thinking about snakes eating their own tail.
The generational women's pubic hair thing is kind of amazing. Basically, if you take three straight men, aged 25, 45, and 65, and assume that they pretty much only have had sex with women roughly their own age, each of the three will have wildly different experiences of vaginas.
65: bush like a New York pizza slice
45: Brazilian
25: so far it's been anal-only
I fit one of the nodes in comment 10 almost to the letter, and have had only the anticipated experience.
But without any direct experience to refer to, I expect the transition is far from total, only just more likely than not at most.
I called bullshit on this to my husband when I read it. Science/health reporting at its worst.
There's probably a tobacco company publication that is much, much worse.
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What's that tree that smells like semen? Cause I'm playing golf with my father and waiting to tee off and it smells heavily of it under this here tree.
Also, who's around for a NYC meetup soonish?
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The smelly tree is the Bradford pear.
Science/health reporting at its worst
Exactly. Perhaps a more healthy article would be "100 percent of non-asshole men like your vagina no matter what you do with your pubic hair."
Is the target of this kind of article to generate clicks from women wondering what other women are doing?
11.last is confusing me because who has anal without any other contact or view? Burner Pseud, I .
I guess, that was supposed to end, in case 20.last is confusing anyone.
19.1: #notallmen
11.last was a "kids these days" comment. I thought those were popular here.
What percentage of New York pizza slices have hair? Just the ones sitting on the counter for 65 years?
About 100% of those with sausage or pepperoni toppings.
11.1 was borrowed from a joke Amy Poehler made.
This thread should be bookmarked for the next time someone at unfogged wonders why people lurk but don't comment.
It's not unheard of for jokes to build off jokes.
27.2: Note to blog. Threads about pubic hair bring lurkers to comment.
While I do want more lurkers to comment, being a little bitch about everyone's comments is the oldest tradition of the blog. (Or, maybe Bob not posting is the oldest tradition? I wonder about Bob sometimes.)
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Coincidentally, I'm in New York all of this weekend.
I get there tomorrow and leave the evening of the fourth that is.
Drat the both of you, I'm out of town Friday through Monday.
I also won't be in New York on Friday through Monday.
I figured Bob was living out his life knee deep in Vietnamese hoagies and pubic hair, like all retired FPPs.
Routine total depilation of your crotch is more unpleasant than sex is pleasant. Plus, every time I do the full shave, I wonder if there is any greater waste of my valuable time imaginable, although I think "reading about pubic grooming in the NYT" may qualify.
The trick is probably to use a warm, vibrating electric shaver, but even that would probably mix too much shame and disgust with the payoff. It is funny that the researchers pretended not to know that "more hygienic" meant "less hairy and smelly" and proceeded to lecture women on microbes and so on. What a circus.
Routine total depilation of your crotch is more unpleasant than sex is pleasant. Plus, every time I do the full shave, I wonder if there is any greater waste of my valuable time imaginable...
With the greatest respect, as a member of the 11.1 cohort, I have to ask, why the fuck do it then?
36.2 More smelly is good.
36: Shaving always gives me razor burn, so I just apply the leave-on-in-the-shower Nair to either the whole pubic mound or everything but the landing strip every few months, then suffer through the itchiness of regrowth. This is neither for sex, nor partnet's preferance, nor "hygiene." I just hate the look of pubic hair poking out from underwear and swimsuits.*
*Of course, this aesthetic sensibility is affected by porn culture, misogyny, lingerie design, and age, none of which are themselves separate.
37: I would read the first-wave feminist in question to be saying that she has experience with the process because she's done it at least once, but that she does not, in fact, do it routinely because of the unpleasantness.
Or, another answer to your question would be "Because it's a thing people do so it seemed worth trying?"
"Because it's a thing people do so it seemed worth trying?"
Sort of like voting for Trump.
Even very nice, enlightened, affirming male partners will sometimes sheepishly admit that they like it better bare, which made it seem worth trying (three times or so? more?). But none of us gets everything we want in bed. I could try the "Nair" thing.
For wants of a pecuniary nature, I've stopped even asking.
It took about 1 second of googling to find two Times articles from recent years lustily proclaiming pizza bush is back. This is WMD level terrible reporting. Maybe Scooter Libby is pube news source too.
Even very nice, enlightened, affirming male partners will sometimes sheepishly admit that they like it better bare
I have no strong preferences re: pubic hair, and grew up in the transitional phase when all of my early sexual experiences were with entirely ungroomed pubes, with more recent-ish phases of different levels of grooming. The range from burst-mattress to landing strip is all fine.
But where I do have a preference is for _not_ completely bare.
I admit to liking a well groomed (though not necessarily completely depilated) work area when I dine at the Y. A big bush gets between your teeth and makes it harder to see what you are doing.
contra 42 I have slept with some TERRIBLE people and encountered a nigh-universal and really shockingly readily asserted preference for Lots of Hair. I think they think it makes them seem real chill and original? not like those millennials with their porn ideas?
Now I'm trying to remember if the dude said anything explicitly. Maybe not? Maybe all in my head? Either way, apparently not a dealbreaker. And I did mean "sometimes": of course it's not universal.
This is just a 'who knew' thing, but you can get Nair near mucous membranes? That just seems like asking for trouble.
I barely manage to shave my legs. Payoff seems low for serious grooming, plus the horrible itching as it grows out. I think I'm too lazy to every try more than cursory trimming/edging.
However, I did have a "helpful" PA at the gyn office I went to in my early 20s suggest that "if I wanted to do something about these," gesturing to a few stray hairs, that I should "shave not pluck because women tend to get ingrown hairs there." Um, thanks? It had never occured to me that it was unsightly enough to groom?
I wonder whether the carpet/curtains euphemism still plays with kids these days.
The comments by millenials at Jezebel on this study are so awful that I now support Brexit.
You can't really say something is near universal among terrible people until you've slept with a lot of terrible people.
The comments by millenials at Jezebel on this study are so awful that I now support Brexit.
49: It's a bad idea. Nair is kind of harsh. I have heard woeful tales of scorched buttholes due to Nair. The product I have is a powder formulated for African Americans who want to avoid razor bumps, and is apparently a lot milder, though still stinky as hell. Maybe I'll try it this weekend and liveblog if my balls catch fire.
Speaking of blog traditions, 54 really reminds me of the old unfogged.
IT'S NOT VA-GINA IT'S VA-VULVA!
I just hate the look of pubic hair poking out from underwear and swimsuits
That's why I abandoned women's bathing suits years ago, before the advent of the "tankini".
A traditionalist would argue that if your swimsuits and underwear are exposing your ungroomed pubic hair, your swimsuits and underwear are too small.
It seems like it should be easier to buy properly fitting swimsuits and underwear than to modify your public hair to avoid exposure, but perhaps capitalism has failed us yet again.
Out: "by Grabthar's hammer"
In: "by togolosh's flaming balls"
Is NO ONE else curious about Moby's pecuniary woes in bed (cf. 43)?? Moby, you can use a pseud...
58: Leg holes have variable cuts, and pubic hair can grow variable distances along a lady's thigh.
60. Chocolate coins at the close of every fiscal quarter.
Yeah ok, I can't decide if that's Joyce or Pound.
54: I was actually going to suggest that product because I've heard good things, though I haven't used it myself and it sounded like you'd already bought something. Good luck!
If someone were to ask me, I'd say the easiest way to keep things tidy is one of those electric bikini clippers, which let you keep things short but not so short that you get ingrowns or worry about looking like a child. And it can't take more than three minutes. Unless it's for your mom, whose vagina is soooo big...
I can't tell if I'm being called antisemitic or not.
I wonder what is harder, shaving balls or a vagina.
Being 'bad for you' is not measurable. If you're going to bitch about science, speak using words that mean something. The 'bad for you' part of obesity is quite difficult to prove.
Is this the whole "death is but the next great adventure" thing or did you miss the part about the early mortality?
"death is but the next great adventure"
68: Did you read the link? "Raises mortality rate*" seems like a pretty straightforward and unambiguous definition of "bad for you", unless you want to stipulate some sort of live fast, die young option.
*once you correct for the fact that smokers and sick people tend to low BMIs, which all the studies proclaiming that obesity is a-ok fail to do.
FWIW, my experiences are limited, but I'm a member of the middle cohort who has exclusively experienced NY pizza (with occasional bikini line tending). I don't even know how I'd react to a heavily landscaped situation.
47 seems like a pretty clear "because I'm a feminist" situation, possibly with a hint of negging (I'm such a feminist that I'm not even grossed out by your hairy bush).
In the interest of science, I had a three-pack of something called "Zingers" after lunch. I feel like it didn't help my life expectancy.
Ever since I dated a girl who preferred not to shave (she did trim) who later revealed to me that she had been sexually abused by a family friend repeatedly as a 10-12 year old I haven't really been able to look at the preference for completely bare nether regions the same way. I don't think I would ever ask a girl to do it either. She never explicitly connected the two, but I could just kind of tell it would not have sat well with her if I had asked her to.
31-33 Are you free tomorrow or Saturday evening? I may go in Saturday to catch a couple of films at the Metrograph (Cosmos and The Hole) but the last one lets out around 7ish I think.
I still want to do a proper meetup LB and was about to write you an email about it. Sometime after the 4th but before the 11th would be best for me (excluding the 7th). Hopefully JM and Blandings and the other usual suspects are in town. Lurkers welcome.
The study is epidemiological, uses a lifetime history of a shitty but accessible measure (BMI). Studies using BMI at time of onset of illness have the problem that being ill can cause some patients to gain or to lose weight. This study does not have that problem.
But: Michael Jordan's BMI when he was the best player in the NBA was dangerously high, 29. The same BMI means something very different for short people and tall ones.
Also, the study does not address the possibility that the underlying issue is poor cardiovascular health rather than excess weight. Excess weight correlates with less exercise and with a poor diet, but as far as I know it is unclear whether being basically active and eating a healthy diet while carrying some extra pounds is risky. Obviously, looking at specific assessments of cardiovascular function is much much more expensive than grabbing a lifetime history of height and weight.
or worry about looking like a child
Ugh, so dumb. Quit looking for pedophilia everywhere. Loads of women like their male partners with a clean shaven face and it's not because they all secretly wish they were banging a ten year old.
Yes, if you are all muscle, BMI does not work for you. But there are not many people whit that problem. Yes, you would probably learn much more looking at specific assessments of cardiovascular function. But that's not actually an argument that says you don't learn anything from BMI.
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Shoot me a DM on Twitter. I was the one ranting about chili's yesterday whose handle is a likening of the modern supposition that teaching people to code will solve all of their problems to the writings of a certain 19th century rags-to-riches novels.
Quit looking for pedophilia everywhere.
Thanks. Now I don't have a job.
the early mortality
And not just that, it seriously fucks with your quality of life. I can't believe we're (as a country, not necessarily as a blog) still having this godamn conversation.
Should we invoke the analogy ban on the popular face-shaving/snatch-shaving parallel, ogged? Your thread, your call.
Loads of women like their male partners with a clean shaven face
My millennial ex-girlfriend requested trimming below for a better fellatio experience (needless to say, she was a groomer of her own nethers).
Also, are people aware that we have generic Viagra in the US as of this spring? My cost per orgasm has gone down from $25 per to $2 per.
I'm from the cohort where the completely shaved vulva* and hairy armpits is the exact opposite of what I imprinted on when I was an adolescent.
*You can serve it to me NY stylee or cleared for landing. Ladeez.
This thread is fucking with my bar/jogging decision for tonight. I can't do both.
I guess I could tell myself that I'll get up early tomorrow and swim laps on my way into the office so that I could go to the bar without feeling guilty. Nobody tell me I'm lying.
49: My workaround is that I cover the most sensitive bits with cotton. The Nair I use is specifically the one that's a little less harsh.
Re: wearing larger underwear or bathing suits, anything other than "boycut" styles (which give me a wedgie and look terrible on me) is going to require some level of grooming.
82: Fuck that ban!
I think it was AWB that mentioned hearing girls in NYC talking about preferring guys with groomed arms. Clearly only the threat of prison is keeping those women from dating fourth graders.
That sounds like a really implausible method of commuting.
I don't know what I did to deserve that.
Look, if you're going to swim to the office, you want to do it in a straight line. Swimming laps, you're not going to get anywhere.
I have to get home, don't I? I should have said "swim laps on my way to the office and back".
Maybe this is the proper thread in which to mention the following curious fact about my hair: one of my shins (the right one) is hairier than the other (the left one).
Do you wear shorter socks on the your leg?
My solution: tonight I bike to the bar (for a work-isa meeting).
gswift, if you can look at a picture of a flat-chested, depilated nude model without feeling like a creep, you're a, well, not better man than I, but certainly different. In the context of an obviously womanly woman (flared hips, prominent breast, etc), clean-shaven doesn't bother me, but I can't imagine requesting that kind of grooming effort either. I doubt I'd date a woman who demanded I shave every day (indeed, AB has sensitive skin such that she'd surely prefer that I do so, but it's simply a non-starter: thrice a week is my limit).
I guess in 95.1 JRoth probably isn't talking about shaving his pubes but I'm just going to assume that he is.
93: it is possible that you are a chimaera. Many people are (about 1% of population) and don't know about it, unless they have obvious giveaways like e.g. eyes different colour. But different patterns of hair growth can be a sign of chimaerism as well.
Or maybe one of your trouser legs is much tighter than the other, and this can simply be explained by differential abrasion.
(But why should one of neb's trouser legs be tighter than the other? Trousers are symmetrical.)
Perhaps the muscles on one leg are more highly developed. neb may hop a lot.
Try alternating your hopping leg, neb.
But why should one of neb's trouser legs be tighter than the other?
Bicycling, using some kind of band to keep the trouser leg on the chain side closed? I certainly know plenty of people who do that.
An Unlogged thread: Obesity to shaving pubes to Neb hopping on one leg in tight-legged trousers.
All in under 100 comments.
why should one of neb's trouser legs be tighter than the other?
If neb spends a lot of time on a bike with one trouser leg constrained, either by rolling or with a strap, that might have some effect. But it's usually the right leg given the position of the chain.
Habitual crossing of one leg over the other, producing hair loss on the shin of one leg and the corresponding calf of the other, could produce asymmetry.
handle is a likening of the modern supposition that teaching people to code will solve all of their problems to the writings of a certain 19th century rags-to-riches novels.
I was going to post some joke handles, but then I tested them and one was actually yours. Good pun.
Shaving balls is pretty easy. The skin is convex, or can be made convex. It's just a moment in the shower to keep it maintained. I don't go for a generally hairless look, just right on the junk. It is easy enough that using nair or other chemicals sounds like a bad idea.
Maybe he has a calf holster for his gun. Or carries a long knife under his pants.
There's no way that biking to a bar could be as good of exercise as swimming to a bar. The energy used per mile is just not close.
105: Maybe he's just glad to see you.
One of the great things about being my age is knowing nothing at all about this stuff. I see it discussed here every so often, but then promptly forget completely.
Obeisity, though, I observe just by looking down. Downish, really.
109: You're just voluptuous and Jroth can gaze upon your shaved man bits without shame.
My wife's preference on me is the shaven clean look and feel. We are also really in to playing with food in the bedroom and going fully bare makes it easier to clean up after ourselves. It has been almost a two decades now since I've been able to keep a steady enough hand to groom myself with a razor without some serious cuts. I am very fortunate however to live in a state which respects the rights of women to fully engage in free enterprise and so once a week since 2013 I have made the trek out to the outskirts of town for my weekly sensual grooming treatment.
Okay, kudos on the link from your pseud.
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Put out a metaphorical fire yesterday at work, part of the solution to which involved someone physically traveling to pick up a paper check for something in the eight figures. Felt like it ought to be a setup for some wacky heist movie. But it was from one major institution to another, so I can't imagine anyone successfully diverting it.
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I can't tell if 113 and 62 are related (no judgment if they are!).
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Also regarding work: literally every time this guy asks me to do something, as a favor, once I do it he asks for two or three do-overs because of last-minute changes to his specs or corrections of errors he made the first time around. There are sometimes five or six apologetic "oops, change this, oops, change it back" messages. How the hell do I deal with this diplomatically? It's about 5% of my workload but 90% of my work annoyance. Maybe I should deal with it with my supervisor somehow.
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I don't think you can take it to your supervisor if the guy is asking favors and you're doing them voluntarily. On the other hand, telling him to go pound sand remains open to you.
If you really want to be diplomatic about it, and are willing to invest some time in making the problem go away, refusing to do anything for him but instead walking him step by step through doing it himself, even if it takes a stupidly long amount of time, will probably eventually make him stop. I did that with a fellow employee at FORTUNE a very long time ago, when he wanted me to do mail merges for him. It worked pretty well. A year or two later, he was found dead in Central Park.
Who the hell was he mailing? (116 was me.)
These are not completely voluntary favors, although today's might have been. There's a standing arrangement where I give backup support to his team. Both of us would prefer that he be able to do things himself, but it's not really possible. I just need a constructive way to say "try harder to give correct and clear instructions the first time," and I don't quite know him well enough for this to be easy. I think I'll foist the problem off on his usual factotum, who is probably being driven completely insane but hides it in an easygoing, $othercountry'ssocialnorms way.
People who had bought article reprints?
Oh, that's tricky, if he really can't fix things for himself; not incapacity, but some practical impediment. Hrm. I don't think there's a better solution than talking to him about it as if you knew him well enough for it to be easy, unless the factotum can take the whole thing off your plate.
I can't believe you kidnapped and tortured a guy for that long just because he kept trying to fob work on you.
Come to think, I should make sure that story gets around my current office.
115 I've told the story of how I had to get a paper returned check to Saudi Arabia on very short notice.
116 The second time around, on the first correction, I'd say something like 'I'm kind of busy right now, but I'll have time to do a single revision in 2 hours. Maybe you could spend that time thinking about exactly what you want as the product so we only do one revision.' He can still ask for further revisions, but will feel incompetent doing so.
I'm a girthy old white guy, however, so YMMV on this technique.
But not, I take it, yuuge, as in a yuuge old white guy; merely girthy.
Kind of on topic: Somebody just asked me if I wanted to try to the Rachel Carson Challenge. I said, 'Sure, I'm up to see how many birds I can poison." But it turns out that the challenge is to walk a 34 mile trail in under 15 hours. There are four rests stops, so you probably don't need to carry more than a couple liters of water. I may try it.
Somebody just asked me if I wanted to try to the Rachel Carson Challenge. I said, 'Sure, I'm up to see how many birds I can poison."
I hear rice works well.
Somebody just asked me if I wanted to try to the Rachel Carson Challenge. I said, 'Sure,, I'll go bare.'
I hear that Sheldon Adelson is also a nudist.
Now that's going to be a hard mental image to erase.
I don't understand thinking about hair before thinking about motion.
Move your body in non-linear ways. Notice how much of your daily activity, including workouts is ballistic and angular. Take some time to add smooth, round, and unstructured movement. This could be done by dancing without choreography or allowing yourself to simply undulate your spine, hips, or any other body part without any agenda for progression. Simply allow your body's intelligence to guide your movement. Play with contraction and release of tension while beginning to feel areas of your body that are already pleasurable. Then allow your movements to amplify the pleasure that is already there.
I have absolutely no idea what 134.1 is intended to mean. This is possibly related to that fact that I have absolutely no idea what 134.2 has to do with anything under discussion.
I knew you always undulated your hips only with an agenda.
The RCC is the weekend closest to the solstice, so you've got 51 weeks to train.
I'm interested, but it also sounds so hard. Also, hot.
A friend of mine has done it at least twice. AFAIK he survived this year's.
The guy I talked to said they start training in February. I assume he just finished this year's race.
Or challenge. It's not a race, as I was reminded repeatedly.
Well, it's a race against darkness, and dehydration, and getting lost and dying.
Late t the party but in the interest of science: It's a small sample size, but of the 11 women aged 27 to 50 I have certain knowledge of this year, three were completely bare and the rest were mostly completely bare (including the tricky to shave bits, but something left above). I will probably not attempt to broaden the represented age range.
Meant to add to 143: it has been a decade since i was last doing any such sampling, but at that time I remember more generational difference in this respect.