I'm quite certain he's said the "worked for the Shah" version elsewhere in the archives.
Here's BG attributing the belief to him.
Not quite the same as his expressing the belief himself, but I'll take it. I actually came across that comment of hers while looking for the earliest comment I could (easily) find of ogged's on the subject.
I know there was an ogged comment saying this explicitly, as part of a back-and-forth with the DominEditrix (pbuh), but it seems to have disappeared down the hoohole. Or maybe it was on a different blog, back when there were other blogs.
TELL ME ABOUT THE EARLY DAYS OF BLOGGING
I always remembered it as sympathetic to the Shah, not worked for.
Apparently google in its infinite wisdom will return results for "king" based on the search term "shah".
It appears to consider "Iranian" and "Persian" equivalent too.
I thought all Iranian people called themselves "Persian", but it may be that all Iranian people I know happen to love the Shah.
I've met a few Iranians, but never known any of them well enough to know what they call themselves.
Most Persian Jews call themselves "Persian Jews" proving that Ogged is an antisemite.
He actually addressed that in the thread I'm thinking of! Not necessarily in the most sensitive way, but still.
All the Iranians I've known have called themselves Iranian; but all the restauranteurs* around here call themselves Persian, at least on their shop fronts, Riddle me this.
*An advice worker I know described the economy of the Iranian immigration in South Yorkshire thusly: "A guy opens a restaurant without any business plan and burns through his capital; so they sell it to the most recent arrival, who doesn't understand the pitfalls of running a restaurant around here, and they haven't got a business plan either and burn through their capital; so they sell it to the most recent arrival..."
Actual Mexicans do better with restaurants.
15: Yes! He didn't link it as closely to the term "Persian" as I had remembered, but the sentiment is clearly there
16. The only Mexican restaurant our side of town is run by people whose grandparents were Pakistani. It's doing fine.
Ha, I've been wondering lately how true this still is, as the kids of the kids of the shah's supporters become adults. I'd guess other factors might be more important now, but outside of family, I've hardly interacted with any Iranians for a few years now.
As for the comment to DE, I was thinking of a maximally provocative thing she could say, not actually making a truth claim about what those people did.
16: I can credit Unfogged with the fact that the word "Mexican" makes me chortle at totally inappropriate times and that I wouldn't be surprised if there were at least a few people who think I'm a huge racist on account of it.
My Persian/Iranian friend is insistent you call him a Zarathustrian, rather than a Zoroastrian, because he says the latter is the Greek translation, and Alexander the Horrible (as he calls him) was responsible for destroying Persepolis.
I think Alexander the Horrible is his appellation in Iran. I've also heard the Zarathustrian thing, which seems fair.
Persepolis
A suspiciously Greek-looking word.
Maybe you can mix it up, racial pride wise, by insisting that Alexander was Macedonian and not Greek.
The country officially known as The Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia is so called because the Greek government got its knickers in a twist over anybody outside Greece laying claim to the name of Macedonia. How different from the home life of our own dear Philip II, who was excluded, as a barbarian, from specifically Hellenic religious observances until he conquered the bulk of Greece and forced them to let him in!
That was only impressive back then because nobody had ever conquered the bulk of Greece before.
My computer never forgets a pointless psued.
FYROM versus Macedonia is a long-running edit war on Wikipedia. The Wikipedia policy is that the short name is Macedonia, but people (presumably Greeks) show up to change every reference to FYROM and post long arguments in the talk sections.
over anybody outside Greece laying claim to the name of Macedonia
What about the people all over Europe who use it to mean "fruit salad"?
AIMHOBBITD, when I was in Greece in 1992 there was a protest about the name "Macedonia." I guess I could have taken the opportunity to learn something beyond "Every stereotype about the people in the Balkans is true," but I didn't.
YOU ARE A POSEUR PEPPARD. HOW MANY GOVERNMENTS DID YOUR "A TEAM" REMOVE
Or more helpfully, two separate patches of bumps on the right side of my torso, that have been there for about two weeks, and are super itchy and a little painful.
That sounds more like poison ivy or something.
OK it turns out it's spelled Mast-o-khiar.
I guess I could have taken the opportunity to learn something beyond "Every stereotype about the people in the Balkans is true," but I didn't.
You didn't miss much.
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That could be shingles! My boyfriend had them a few months ago. Being only on one side of the body is a good sign it is. If they're in straight lines that's a giveaway. Get some acyclovir and they should go away.
Get tested/examined fast so they can get you on the damn drugs. I am a year out without a recurrence at this point despite ludicrous levels of stress, but having them was hell. (Partly because one of the girls started mom-shopping because she was afraid I would die, so I had to pretend to be healthier than I was, plus it was the last straw that Lee couldn't even do the most marginally helpful things when I was incapacitated. You shouldn't have these problems! Also I took no time off work, which was a bad choice.)
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Mystery fans: I have now read three P.D. James novels, spanning 30 years of her career. Is the murderer ALWAYS the elegant, sexless, highly intelligent middle-aged woman? Three for three so far.
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I didn't say which ones. Unless it's indeed a spoiler for every book at once, in which case she deserves it.
I have a PD James novel in the basement that I never finished. I could look at the back and see who the murderer is.
You could save me from having to walk some stairs if one of those three was The Murder Room.
NOW if you reveal the ending it would be a spoiler.
OTOH, the only beer upstairs is like 9% ABV and I'm supposed to work tonight. I better go get the cheap beer anyway.
Book isn't there. Must have brought it to the office.
I put some in the freezer for later.
Is the murderer ALWAYS the elegant, sexless, highly intelligent middle-aged woman?
If they are playing "Marry, fuck, kill," it's the only option that lets them stay true to themselves.
I'm wondering if it's a sort of Mary Sue thing for James herself.
Or a plea for the authorities to stop her serial killing.
Wanting to kill but also wanting to be stopped is a guy thing. Women are less conflicted about murder.
Men murder like this, women murder like that.
61: Feminism is the radical notion that women kill people too.
We probably just don't have a big enough N. Looking forward to the fall of patriarchy so we can have more female serial killers to finally answer this question.
On the veldt, women who didn't murder at least occasionally were too put upon to reproduce as often as those who did.
Science! Everybody who disagrees is objectively a creationist.
65: Wouldn't that make non-murder the more adaptive trait to be selected?
Based on the author photos, it does seem like a Mary Sue situation.
Some people just have murder in their eyes.
It looks like the one P.D. James novel I read had two murders and two murderers. One was a man.
I still like the Christie one where Captain Hastings stumbles on a guy he thinks is Hitler and, while Miss Lemon beats "Eva Braun" with a succession of small appliances, he tries to drown the man in a bucket before Poirot comes along and rescues a very confused Polish plumber and his wife.
How remarkably prescient regarding EU politics.
Does she have gender balance among her murderers?
She wrote a lot of books, so I can't be sure.
I still like the Christie one where Captain Hastings stumbles on a guy he thinks is Hitler
This is the point where I had to back up and re-evaluate my "Christie"-inspired semantic garden-pathing.
Scott Baio is scheduled to speak at the RNC this week. In light of 72, I feel that I should mention this isn't a joke. Or, if it is, not my joke.
Heigh-Ho! Hey-diddle-diddle!
Aunt Emily's shingles have met in the middle.
She's buried in Devon, so God's in his heaven,
And that is the end of the news!
So, it turns out that Pokemon Go is much easier if you have somebody drive you around. Once you engage a pokemon, you can drive away while your backseat copilot catches it. Plus, eggs hatch much quicker.
I have to see Scott Baio's speech. I can't imagine it will be any less weird than Clint Eastwood addressing an empty chair.
80: I thought you had to be traveling slower than 20 mph for eggs to hatch? OK if you're driving slowly round a car park, but a bit annoying for other drivers if you're on the motorway. (Cycling works, or so I'm reliably informed.)
I was driving around Oakland in traffic.
The bus works well, too, at least until it crashes.
If the Pokemoner is a small child, this can be a learning experience: let them know that their Poketravels are being fueled with the corpses of Fossil-type Pokemon.
Thank your lucky stars that software developers don't make real things. Much. Yet.
81: I've been giving a lot of thought (several minutes worth!) to the psychology of Scott Baio. Did becoming a child star on a nostalgic TV show about the fifties leave him with a lifelong obsession with returning to a simpler happier time? Also, wasn't Fonzie his mentor/role model on that show? Did Scott Baio internalize this and so has spent his life looking for another Fonzie to idolize? Is Donald Trump his new Fonzie?
I think the connection is both were on reality TV.
87.last Donald Trump. America's Fonzie.
87 - he's an ignorant, arrogant white guy who's in his fifties and a failure. What else do you need? He's the core Trump voter.
90 describes me perfectly except for possibly the arrogant part.
Scott Baio is scheduled to speak at the RNC
BOB LOBLAW'S PROPS SOP GOP S.O.B.S
I suppose the relevant difference between me and Scott Baio is not that I was not on Happy Days, or that I'm less arrogant than Scott Baio, rather it's my Jewish heritage.
You could probably make a bumper sticker that says "Ignorant white failures in their fifties for Hillary" except that you're not ignorant, at least not Baio-level ignorant. There peep, feel better.
Also, the core Trump voter is "older uneducated white man resentful about loss of totally unearned respect" and if there's a poster boy for loss of unearned respect, it's Scott Baio.
Is that a taser in your pocket or are you glad to see Peep?
99: Awwwwww! Who knew that underneath that taser-wielding neo-liberal exterior, there was a heart of gold?
I love you too, Tigre.
Donald Trump. America's Fonzie
Huge campaign murals of Trump wearing a Fonzie jacket and giving a thumbs' up are just what America needs in these uncertain times.
That jacket is in the Smithsonian and the president can borrow anything in there, no questions asked.
The real Fonzie is a nebbish Jewish guy who's a liberal activist. Heyyyyy.
The Museum of American History is the props department for time-travelling CIA officers.
104: Yes, and to go back to my original theory, Scott Baio has never been able to get over this.
103: Trump would get Fonzie's jacket and Archie Bunker's chair.
104: Plus he always plays villain now, which I find hilarious. My kids were watching the King Julien cartoon and I couldn't explain why I found the voice of the evil uncle so funny.
Wasn't there a stretch where Scott Baio was known as the "gateway to Hollywood" (or something like that) because it seemed he'd slept with every young starlet just before she became famous?
I have definitely heard of that rumor.
Only the rumors of the rumors reach Heebieville.
104: Plus he always plays villain now, which I find hilarious.
Schmuck rather than villain, surely? See Arrested Development, Childrens Hospital.
I did two whole boxes of Farsi CDs on my former long commute and now can say basically nothing other than "Iranian food is very good." Languages go away really quickly when you're in your 40s and you don't use them and your intellect has long since atrophied from disuse. Iranian food is very good, though.
I'm waiting for Trump to jump the shark. A huge shark, the biggest ever! And what a beautiful jump -- Olympic water skiers went slack-jawed with envy watching that. Amazing!
On Parks and Recreation, he was a villain.