100% read that and wondered if I'd feel left out if I moved there but skipped the Monday night Bible study and exercises in bullet foundry. Nothing against metallurgy generally though. You know what, whatever, I'd probably have fun with bullet foundry.
Also the overlap with militant white supremacist territory (both physical and ideological) is great enough that it does create a strong if rebuttable presumption.
Wasn't there a map of this place or one like it that was making the rounds in the blogosphere to much ridicule maybe 4 or 5 years ago? I can no longer find it.
Trite observation, but the death anxiety is palpable. Don't they know the only proven way to stave off death is to bathe in the blood of the young? Just ask Peter Thiel.
Yes to 3 but ALSO palpable death anxiety is kind of our thing right? If there is some rural expanse whose inhabitants have managed to avoid anxiety about death I will fantasize about moving there instead.
I did notice that most of the people seemed to be guys at classic mid-life-crisis age.
But that might have just been the article. On the message boards, there were young families, too.
I wonder where you move if you're concerned about the imminent collapse of society and also black.
FYI maybe I mentioned this here but a good party or car game is "survival of the fittest," you start with the Paleolithic and figure out who in the group would have died of a what, based on your various feeblenesses, and whoever survives the longest gets to pick the next era. I don't do very well until corrective lenses are invented.
7: Africa. Actually, if these people were really serious, they'd consider going to a place where order and resources are managed more along pre-modern lines. Electrical grid down? What grid?
M's aunts and uncles have an apocalypse bunker. They're not white, and I don't think it ever occurred to them to go all the way to Oregon or Idaho. Their place is outside of Fresno. (I'm not sure what good it does to hide out just outside of Fresno. Wouldn't you want to be away from cities, and the 5 freeway?)
Apparently the place is stocked to the rafters with ammo and canned goods and soap. These people are mostly hardcore hoarders even in their regular homes, so I can't even imagine what this place looks like. I'll never know, either, because recently they condemned M as a "satanist" (apparently because he expressed support for Bernie Sanders? not clear) and so he and by extension I are probably part of the problem they'd be going to the cabin to flee from.
10: Africa seems like a tough sell when there's so much cheap land out in the Carolinas that doesn't involve shit like crocodiles and people getting hacked up with machetes.
This seems like it might contribute to a desire on the part of people here to move to the Redoubt. http://nymag.com/selectall/2016/08/how-to-be-so-dumb-that-the-it-guy-is-forced-to-spy-on-you.html
I feel like I might be the only one here who is basically glad people are trying to be prepared. They are almost certainly not preparing for the right thing whatever that is, but there is always the possibility that their preparation will not be wasted.
According to a guy in the article, The Redoubt is open to people of all races. But, the guy says, if you're black people might talk to you for no other reason than they've never talked to a black person before.
I'd quote it, but the WaPo is telling me I don't get any more free articles.
13: In 2016 "your employer can see everything you do on your work computer" is a bit late to the show.
I'm not sure what good it does to hide out just outside of Fresno.
Wasn't that the plot of the Karate Kid?
I'd quote it, but the WaPo is telling me I don't get any more free articles.
Alternative article here.
13: I feel like I might be the only one here who is basically glad people are trying to be prepared.
No (I have sympathy for the impulse toward self-sufficiency). Rather, it's that their preparedness doesn't go far enough. If you want to do it, do it right. Per Ogged in 10, being self-sufficient in the ways these people apparently are seeking to do is entirely inadequate. Some of them are apparently off the grid. But in the event of long-term catastrophe, a community fulfilling necessary roles is what's needed -- making your own nuclear family self-sufficient through hoarding food supplies and guns isn't going to get you very far. What happens when you need new shoes? Does someone know how to bake bread from scratch, I mean really from scratch, starting with growing the grains? Or, for the paleo among us, is someone in the community raising livestock?
Maybe they are doing all this, but the individualistic hoarding, the bunker mentality, is all wrong for long-term survival. It's like these people have watched only certain types of disaster movies, ignoring the community-based ones.
And ... we've talked about this before here: I vaguely remember people confessing that they'd be useless as a cobbler, but might be okay at sewing or weaving. Good times ...
Or, for the paleo among us, is someone in the community raising livestock?
Raising livestock isn't very paleo. Someone needs to know how to hunt.
Well, of course. But you should still be raising chickens, knowing how to tan hides, preserve meat, and so on. And if it's all hunting, someone needs to know how to work with a bow, how to make and repair one, etc. etc. The guns are only going to last for so long.
My sense of the prepper types is that they assume their homeowner insurance will still be in play or something. Does someone know how to keep those solar panels working?
The only way to keep a post-apocalyptic society/community going is to go pre-modern. It looks as though the Redoubt folks assume the apocalypse will be short-lived. It's eye-rolling.
There are periodicals entirely of land and estate ads, with different mixtures of working ag, fancy leisure retirement, post apocalyptic bugout. Last one I picked up was advertising a sort of combination of all of them*, a big farm divided into farmettes** with ?an equipment coop?. But they specified that it would be appealing to "professionals" because all the original families are. That's a steep learning curve to go up together.
* can be sensible cf. Astyk's Theory of Anyway, probably isn't
** probably going from "profitable as capital investment" size to "manageable with some off-farm employment" size, which, again, possibly sensible if you know that's what you're doing. I have cousin's cousins with a ranch/fishery kid married to a specialized international job kid, alternating careers based on long expectations. Looks pretty good. The Dwarf Lord and I, as a disaster plan, may retire by having some of their kids move onto our land as we age. Kale and BBS as civilization shrinks.
There are periodicals entirely of land and estate ads, with different mixtures of working ag, fancy leisure retirement, post apocalyptic bugout. Last one I picked up was advertising a sort of combination of all of them*, a big farm divided into farmettes** with ?an equipment coop?. But they specified that it would be appealing to "professionals" because all the original families are. That's a steep learning curve to go up together.
* can be sensible cf. Astyk's Theory of Anyway, probably isn't
** probably going from "profitable as capital investment" size to "manageable with some off-farm employment" size, which, again, possibly sensible if you know that's what you're doing. I have cousin's cousins with a ranch/fishery kid married to a specialized international job kid, alternating careers based on long expectations. Looks pretty good. The Dwarf Lord and I, as a disaster plan, may retire by having some of their kids move onto our land as we age. Kale and BBS as civilization shrinks.
The important thing is that they go to Idaho, and don't come here. Or if they come here, stay in their fortresses and don't register or vote.
You might have to set up some guard stations along the border.
Maybe even a wall, but the mountains may be a sufficient barrier.
Sorry, Charley, your whole state is redoubtable.
Just tell them the wall is for their defense and they'll pay for it!
As we've discussed before, the LDS come close to this idea. Then you tell your average compulsive person that they need to have an emergency stache for two or three weeks. Suddenly, it turns into a two or three months. Next thing you know, they are at the gun range preparing for the others.
I'm personally not super worried about an apocalypse/one-world government, but the idea of an escape hatch shack in the woods to go off grid and escape all responsibility seems appealing. Later on, problems I caused, mountain shack here I come! The problem is that I'm super lazy and not very handy so it also seems like a pain in the ass. Won't happen.
I've also thought about just having a secret compartment in the house with a metal suitcase containing large anounts of cash in various domestic and foreign currencies, a fake passport, a gun, a powerful knife, beef jerky, and like 3 days change of clothes. That would probably satisfy the same psychological urge as the mountain shack at much less time and cost, but still, I don't want to break the law by getting the fake passport and have no idea how to use the gun. So that will never happen either.
30: Doesn't your escape plan involve your personal ninja crewed submarine waiting off shore ready to pick you up?
North Korea and Zaire after the Belgians left are good examples of societies where the ordinary staples of life disappeared. Two tips: backyard garden and don't let the dog outside.
Before the Belgians left wasn't exactly a picnic.
In the US, the collapse that seems both likely and survivable to me is sort of a 1970s that never ends, just getting poorer and poorer and we've run out of trade and political advantage. And ghu knows what financial shenanigans we'll layer on that while unable to admit that things have changed.
We can't go back to any familiar preindustrial state, as far as my ecol/econ friends can work out; we've damaged too many ecosystems. More likely is that the whole world looks like the Near East, what was the fertile crescent but has never since antiquity been let alone long enough to redevelop its trees and soil.
The extent of my prepping is to have a barrel full of fresh water in the garage of my sisters place in the PNW as a hedge against when the Cascadia subduction zone lets go and wipes out everything west of I-5. I figure water for seven to ten days ought to be enough if they aren't swept out to sea. My cousins OTOH are fully equipped with semi-automatics and extensive martial arts training against the day when the great beast rises to take over. They are of the "bullets, beans, and bibles" variety of survivalist.
Parsimon nails it though. Every major post-apocalyptic work recognizes that defense against marauders is only part one of survival. Part two is building a community. Civilization level is likely proportional to both absolute population and cooperation level.
When civilization ends, all you need is George Peppard and an armored RV.
Gosh, I've been thinking about taking some needlepoint classes later this fall, but maybe I need to aim higher. Doubt I will.
38 - racist and overly individualistic. When that van breaks down, who is going to fix it? You need B.A. When you need someone to seduce a lady to give you some parts, who is going to do it? You need Face. it takes a fucking TEAM.
37: I suspect a lot of the preppers secretly want to be the marauders rather than defend against them.
I bet I'm the only one here who liked the Costner mail movie.
_When you need someone to seduce a lady to give you some parts, who is going to do it?_
It's no needlepoint, but I guess I could settle for this job. Seems a little sex worky though.
Oh right html. Oops. I have plenty to learn before I'm prepper-approved.
the collapse that seems both likely and survivable to me is sort of a 1970s that never ends, just getting poorer and poorer
Butler's Parable of the Sower is essentially this. Except it's more "if this goes on" than the 1970s.
Preppers keep html tags in lockers in the basement.
One branch of William Gibson's current novel is slow-declinist, too. Or possibly its like divorces or bankruptcy, happening slowly and then quickly. Hard to know when to jump, when every year of not living hard is - well, it's another year!
At my last birthday someone asked me if I wasn't unhappy to be a year older in a way that annoyed me enough to respond honestly; between history and the news, I'm surprised and delighted every year I didn't live through a civil war or the Big Rip or MRSA. So lucky!
This was a party downer.
I have a bunch of two-liter bottles of water stashed in a cabinet, in case of seismic disaster or water main break. Both are well within the realm of possibility. In fact, one of them happens on a fairly regular basis.
Self-consciously slow-declinist sf: Soft Apocalypse by Will McIntosh (Haven't read it, though, so for all I know it's rubbish.)
DID SOMEBODY SAY LADY PARTS?
3.1 It was the Citadel. Check out the town plan complete with amphitheater and "Firearms Museum & Reflecting Pool".
51 They even have their own arms factory so they're ahead of the game.
In the future, the phrase "prep school kids" will have a different meaning.
43 - sure, you could do it. Everyone has a little but of each of the four archetypes in us, Hannibal, Face, Murdoch, and B.A.
The A team theory of personality.
The test will be compulsory under Halfordismo.
In view of advancing gender politics, an Imperator Furiosa option may need to be added.
I wonder where you move if you're concerned about the imminent collapse of society and also black.
Not quite the same, but a guy on a gaming board I frequent was a non-standard prepper, in that he was British and lefty. His OTT paranoia was oriented toward online privacy (eg, wouldn't do two-factor authentication because it meant giving his phone number to a corporation) and climate change, but it was weird to see exactly the same patterns of thought applied to a different set of bugbears, with the same end result of a deep certainty that total societal collapse is both imminent and for some reason worth preparing for.
There's definitely a version of this strain of thought among the American left as well, though it's obviously less common than the right-wing version. Back in the '70s there were a lot of back-to-the-land types who had ideas along these lines, in many parts of the US but especially in Alaska, where they were unusually influential and a lot of them stayed, though very few stuck with living off the land. They ended up getting swamped politically by the oil-boom Texans who swung the state to the right, but now that we're well into the oil bust things may well swing back.
All that said, these people were never that numerous even up here, and when it comes to living off the land their individualistic approach has never come close to to the success of the much older and more robust communal approach of the Native villages that have always lived this way and continue to do so just fine.
THAT'S NOT A REDOUBT; THIS IS A REDOUBT!
Lots of places offer offline 2FA where you get a pad of second factor codes to refer to each time you log in
Have we established our meeting place when IT happens??
Carp's place or swift's?
When the shit hits suddenly everyone is a law-and-order conservative.
** probably going from "profitable as capital investment" size to "manageable with some off-farm employment"
I saw an ad for a farmette by the highway and that's exactly how I interpreted it: a piece of agricultural land that isn't large enough to be economical as a farm, but might be okay if you just want to play at being a farmer.
I don't understand how anything not large enough to be economical as a farm is going to be defensible. If you get your standard post-apocalyptic wasteland and you're on a plot where somebody can cover the whole ground with two guys and a rifle, you'll control it for about as long as you can hold a Pokemon gym.
Also, I've held a Pokemon gym in Oakland for over an hour. The gym before me had it for less than 2 minutes, because Team Blue has no guts.
63.2 Which one has got the sex grotto?
Up in the high north of Sweden you had until quite recently (50s-60s) a really interesting interplay between the Swedish pioneer families and the native Same. The pioneer homestead is a workable post-apocalyptic model but you need a lot of land. You don't farm because so little will grow reliably. You fish, and trap birds (grouse, Capercaillie, etc) or shoot them, and the occasional elk, for food. A couple of goats for milk and eventually food; cows ditto. Everyone in the family works all the time, and if either parent dies the rest are doomed. Trade furs for salt, flour, cloth, and later a cast-iron stove. Trade hay made from sedges for a reindeer from the Same, who use the hay to line and insulate their boots.
No medicine, of course, and each family needed a range of at least 10km undisturbed in every direction to provide enough land to live off. But people lived like that until the cash economy appeared in the 1930s and 40s -- the older generation hung on until the late 50s. In the early part of the last century they were still hunting bears with muzzle-leaders and spears, just as in The Sword In The Stone.
This is all rather more hardcore than the Redoubtables appear prepared for, and it demands an enormous range of practical hunting and food preparation skills as well as the obvious. I mean, could you make a weasel trap from a split birch log? Or know how to inflate a squirrel skin so that it fetches a better price at the market? (this is a photo of a man doing this last in one of the books I read, from 1948)
No defence necessary against marauders because the climate and the landscape would kill the fuckers before they reached you. I mean, what would *they* eat on the way
I want to be known as the guy who gives you an honest squirrel skin, without the trickery of inflating it the way some other hunters do it.
I bet I'm the only one here who liked the Costner mail movie.
I wouldn't say it was a good movie, but I had fun. Tom Petty made it.
I didn't see it. I tried to see "Dances with Wolves" but could not make myself stay in the room.
69. See or read "The Road" for the answer to that.
Smooth squirrel skins are the only ones we buy. If I wanted something hideously wrinkled and covered in hair I would ask for a scrotum. But the fashion is not to wear them
We actually have a squirrel skin in our house. Kids come back from field trips with the strangest things.
Tom Petty made it.
Looked it up and this is now my favorite pairing of movie and actor who plays themselves in that movie. My only disappointment is that his enclave doesn't consist of all the surviving Traveling Wilburys.
Who knew that making balloon animals was a survival skill?
Laura Ingalls Wilder - it's a classic part of Little House on the Prairies.
An inflated pig bladder, fun as it may be, isn't what most people are looking for in a balloon animal.
59: Has anybody else seen Captain Fantastic?
81: Not really. It's about a family living off the grid in the woods. The only holiday they celebrate is Noam Chomsky Day.
Disappointment! I was looking forward to Viggo Mortensen, lunatic paterfamilias.
83: No -- Gateway. After your time.
Did you leave Columbus before they tore down everything around High and 10th Avenue?
84: It's not bad. I enjoyed it -- like lots of movies for me, the more I think about it the worse it seems.
85.last: You mean the crappy bars? They were there when I lived in Columbus but gone during the year when I was working in Columbus and living in Pittsburgh (2004-5).
88: Yes. It looked like a war zone for a couple of years, but now there's a movie theatre, a few restaurant/bars and various retail. And so now they've moved farther north along High Street and torn down a bunch more buildings.
68: Is there anything you'd recommend reading about this? When I was doing American Westish history, I got really interested in other parts of the world where you could see frontier*-ish analogies.
*Yeah, the f-word.
89: Let me know when they get near the Outer Inn.
Second 90. I'm just now discovering Roc Island was totally frontier country till about 1920, which I had no idea. And Sweden had hunter-gatherer barter economies in the 1940s? Who knew?
90: There's a lot been written about the Japanese colonization of Hokkaido and the forcible assimilation of the Ainu from the late 19th century on that you might find interesting (eg this).
When I visited in 2013, I hadn't been down High Street in twenty five years, nor been really familiar with it for ten years before that. The change was dizzying.
Heh, ho, where you go...
We went to a farmette-type AirBnB because I wanted Steadfast to see the farm animals that all his books featured. I couldn't figure out the business model: expensive new dairy for heirloom breeds that don't produce much, thousands of pastured chickens, other exotic animals. Then they said that their AirBnB cottage was booked 300 days/year and I realized. Oh. We're the profitable livestock.
Also that they moved from Manhattan five years
ago, and I was delighted to meet actual people making a small fortune in farming in the exact manner of the truism.
93: Thanks, hadn't seen that one. This has been on my to read list for a long time.
94: Yes. Barely a single business on High Street has remained from the time I moved to Columbus in 1988. Buckeye Donuts may actually be the only one.
The title in 93 makes me thing of Emperor Topham Hatt.
So, thanks to google maps, I can see that the Wendy's is in a different building.
McDonald's looked the same, but the map got all glitchy before I could see if SBX was still there.
Thanks for 93, 96. This is interesting on the Cape.
96: Now on my want-to-read list too. Thanks!
68: I haven't found anything in English, though I am looking. I have ordered a couple of books from second-hand places in Sweden after our visit. But we were lucky in that the settlement nearthe first hostel on our trail was quite extensively described in 1948 by an ethnologist and historian of the frontier when it was still being worked as a homestead. Someone had xeroxed the relevant pages of his book and left them there. Later I found an account of being guided by the son of the great bearhunter in the 1936 yearbook of the Swedish YHA.
Unfogged-approved excellent novel Independent People is basically a long meditation on early 20th C Scandinavian homesteading, though without the "frontier" aspect exactly.
106: Yes -- Wilhelm Moberg's "Emigrants" series also very good. But the Moberg characters came from a long way south, where you could farm in a conventional sense, growing crops and so on. The woods still have the remains of cottages like that; again, the way of life survived into the fifties at least. But it was much more recognisable as farming and more tightly integrated into the surrounding societies than the Lapland pioneers were.
Elsewhere, there were the "Finnish forests" where tribes who practised slash-and-burn agriculture were encouraged first to march overland the whole bloody way from Finland and then to exploit the forests in the middle of Sweden where the soil was too poor for normal agriculture. Whole region now a stronghold of the wolves.
If lightening can kill an entire herd of reindeer, I'd think you'd want to be careful when you hike there.
Now that we have so many people traveling through the frozen north, I should repeat my plea that if you see any Icelandic knitted shoe inserts like the ones mentioned in Independent People, I would love a first-hand report!
Anything about how to make your own pair of necropants ("death underpants") in there?
111: Sounds like YOU're not apocalypse-prepared enough!
I guess being the fish-shoe guy would work as well as being the postman.
All you need is one pair of death underpants. Then you'll have the money to buy all the fish skin shoes you'd even want.
Where might the good NW piece be found?
The best bit is the link from the last sentence
Agreed, both about the article and about the link.
4th or 5thing 115. (Can't watch link til I get home.) Particularly appreciated the description of feet losing awareness. When I get to the stretches of rocks on Georgian Bay I feel my feet waking up, becoming intelligent. I miss that the rest of the year, even with barefoot shoes and all. Nothing to walk on but flat stuff.
Returning to a life with shoes on after the Peace Corps was really sad. For a couple of weeks I felt like you would if someone were making you wear boxing gloves.
Except for me, who's at the Malibu villa's submarine base escorting the all-female speargun strike force to their chambers, every single commenter is either in (a) Pittsburgh (b) Kentucky (c) the Swedish arctic.
Some of us are in the non-Swedish Arctic.
And the book came through, so I can ;a href´"https://drive.google.com/file/d/1putYZqNjno1g7bNsZPlB2EqUb-rVH-fZrQ/view?usp=sharing">reproduce the photograph. This is how to do it.
Sod it. Sodding Swedish keyboard layouts
I meant THIS photograph
all-female speargun
I swear I first read this as "all-female penguin." Which is totally discriminatory against chimera penguins and intersex penguins.
The Swedes of the 1920s blew squirrels, but not in a way we can understand.
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We can't go back to any familiar preindustrial state, as far as my ecol/econ friends can work out; we've damaged too many ecosystems
Eh, this sounds plausible but I think it is beside the point. As a nation or world, we can't go back to a preindustrial state for any length of time measured in centuries. But if reversion to a preindustrial state happens, it's reasonable to believe that being ready for it would give you good odds of dying of old age and/or seeing grandchildren. What happens after that isn't your problem. Preppers are just looking at a different big picture than us.
42: Never saw the movie but I liked the book.
What this reminds me of the most is World War Z (again, never seen the movie, just the book). It's about, spoiler alert, a zombie apocalypse. The whole setting is perfectly, deliberately contrived to create Romero horror movie scenarios all around the world for years before things eventually turn around. Zombies are weak, slow, and stupid, so they shouldn't logically be a big problem. And they wouldn't be if they hadn't spread around the world due to weak borders and unscrupulous Third World medical practices, and Big Pharma (TM) hadn't sold you a completely worthless vaccine for them which the FDA approved, and the military hadn't launched a campaign based around PR visuals and justifying big contracts that backfired completely. If all that happened and zombies weren't weak, slow, and stupid, then it easily could have resulted in human extinction. But that combination - a creeping menace and a juggernaut of incompetence at every level of society - is pretty much exactly what it takes to make lots of guns and canned goods but not farmland and communes logical. (Bonus: zombies freeze in the winter, giving you a reprieve while the ground is snow-covered, making it useful to go north even though it's harder to farm there.) Most of the story is told from the perspective of people who survived and were part of society as it rebuilt, and people who thought they would be the last men on Earth are ultimately a minor part of the story.
Re: preppers, nobody literally expects a zombie apocalypse, except I guess very imaginative teens. On the other hand if you think there's anything inherently evil about illegal immigrants or if you've never even spoken to a black person before, you probably already think we're halfway to that scenario. Honestly, I thought the OP was too generous. The article presented them in an anodyne way, but the defense against the question of racism was "In terms of them walking around [saying racist things], you never see it." Damning with faint praise. Also,
Such amenities don't come cheap; the average property sells for between $250,000 and $550,000, he said, but some go for more than $2 million. Walsh said a basic solar array can cost around $15,000, while more elaborate systems can cost 10 times that.
This is the people for whom the suburbs aren't suburban enough.
115/126: this is a dancer thing as well; you get to be a surface connoisseur. Mine have been moving up in the world this year, from the lumpenproletariat to the aspirational/bolshy skilled working class, sociodemographic group C2. They can do some amazing stuff but they also occasionally stage a highly disruptive strike.
136.3 I really enjoyed the book too (as well as his survival guide except nothing in there about how you should be wearing enough leather to be mistaken for a member of Tigre's favorite band). They really fucked that movie up big time though.
What this reminds me of the most is World War Z
Is there no love for The Walking Dead? A lot of guns and canned goods initially, but eventually, after a couple of years, segueing to the need for doctors, farmers, creative cookery, infrastructure geniuses (for things like water reclamation and wall-building), and so on. There are still a lot of marauding tribes, though; and of course you need the bunkers, because zombies -- luckily weak, slow, and stupid -- and again, marauding humans.
Notably, long distance communication/information is central to any number of developments in that show.
139: I'm not opposed to TWD, I've just never seen it. A couple of years ago when it started, I was watching 6+ shows regularly and didn't have time for any more. Now, I'm watching less TV, but there's a child around for any TV we watch before 8 p.m. (e.g. weekends, holidays, and the rare day we finish dinner within an hour of getting home), and TWD seems like it would be inappropriate for her. Yeah, it sounds like that would be similar but from what I know of it the path to that breakdown isn't as explicit.
I love(d) a comic book series by the same author, but there's a similar problem with that. It's not that reading comic books takes too long, but trekking across town just to get them isn't a high priority. If I really cared about it I could subscribe, but (a) it too would be inappropriate for a toddler, and (b) as I've mentioned I'm low on storage space. Not that one comic takes up much space but my collection is now five 3-foot boxes. I plan to let Atossa use at least one of them for arts and crafts when she gets big enough but she's still in the "plays with things by eating them" stage.
I do recommend The Walking Dead, but it must be watched from Season 1. I don't know what to say: I recommend renting it from Netflix (or whatever) from the start, watch at your convenience after the kid's gone to bed.
For what it's worth, the character development is really good.
I watched the first season of TWD and it seemed like a pretty boring monster-of-the-week show, except the monsters were always exactly the same. Does it get better?
Weird that the main stylistic change to WWZ the movie was to make the zombies superfast, then. And that it completely ignores all of those really fascinating sociological aspects you describe.
By far the best zombie show is iZombie.
I like the Walking Dead. Parsimon, do you watch Fear the Walking Dead too?
Is iZombie really good? I watched the first 2 or 3 episodes when it started and it just didn't click for me.
The best show on TV right now is "Action Bronson Watches Ancient Aliens." Just guys watching ancient aliens and getting extremely stoned, to the point of passing out.
145: Love iZombie. It's a police procedural with a sci-fi/supernatural twist, some really interesting ongoing plots, some great actors, and it's hilarious. I could gush about it for pages, but I'm trying to finish one more thing before I leave work. Tonight, if you want me to. Hulu is apparently making big changes to how they get their content (or how we get their content, I don't know) and if it results in us not being able to watch that, that would be the biggest loss.
I enjoyed the article, as well, Werdna.
My son is 20, and Ive been thinking about taking trips like that one with him.
Thanks!
Oh look, Peter Thiel's tech incubator mate is a prepper.
NZ government defends giving Thiel citizenship, despite him never having lived there nor having any intention to. TLDR: He gave us 0.0003% of his wealth to rebuild Christrchurch, and he invested in a NZ company.
