That's history's least ominous "tied a woman to the table" story.
Someone's ethics committee was obviously out of control.
"Hey, nurse, I've got this great idea about what might happen if I stick a catheter all the way down my arm into my heart. Wanna try?"
Dr Forssmann was clearly a highly persuasive individual, given that the answer he got was not only "Sure!" but "Shotgun I get to go first!"
Sad that he joined the Nazi party in 1932. Joining after 1933 is sort of understandable, but before, not.
4: Not all that persuasive to his colleagues, apparently, as he lost his job and got kicked out of the field.
And later became an actual Nazi! And after that a lumberjack!
He cuts down trees, he eats his lunch,
He goes to the lavatory.
On Wednesdays he goes shopping
And goes to the torchlit rall-ee.
Obviously he agreed about the ethics committee.
It's the people who joined the Nazi party in 1945 you really have to wonder about.
Not bad, for a Nazi. He's one of the subjects of this fascinating book about self-experimentation, which also includes the story of George III's surgeon John Hunter, who supposedly injected his penis with pus to see if gonorrhea and syphilis were cause by the same pathogen.
Not bad, for a Nazi.
So few words, doing so much work.
11. Now that is taking one for the team! Early medical researchers were often incredibly courageous about experimenting on themselves, though. As late as WWI, J.B.S.Haldane was doing this sort of stuff:
Haldane, inspired by his father, would expose himself to danger to obtain data. To test the effects of acidification of the blood he drank dilute hydrochloric acid, enclosed himself in an airtight room containing 7% carbon dioxide, and found that it 'gives one a rather violent headache'. One experiment to study elevated levels of oxygen saturation triggered a fit which resulted in him suffering crushed vertebrae. In his decompression chamber experiments, he and his volunteers suffered perforated eardrums. But, as Haldane stated in What is Life, "the drum generally heals up; and if a hole remains in it, although one is somewhat deaf, one can blow tobacco smoke out of the ear in question, which is a social accomplishment."
11. Now that is taking one for the team! Early medical researchers were often incredibly courageous about experimenting on themselves, though. As late as WWI, J.B.S.Haldane was doing this sort of stuff:
Haldane, inspired by his father, would expose himself to danger to obtain data. To test the effects of acidification of the blood he drank dilute hydrochloric acid, enclosed himself in an airtight room containing 7% carbon dioxide, and found that it 'gives one a rather violent headache'. One experiment to study elevated levels of oxygen saturation triggered a fit which resulted in him suffering crushed vertebrae. In his decompression chamber experiments, he and his volunteers suffered perforated eardrums. But, as Haldane stated in What is Life, "the drum generally heals up; and if a hole remains in it, although one is somewhat deaf, one can blow tobacco smoke out of the ear in question, which is a social accomplishment."
If only you could blow some smoke from your ear by way of apology.
True to his experimental mindset, he blew tobacco smoke from every orifice before noting which ones were the most appreciated in society.
Not bad, for a Nazi.
Kind of the opposite of Willhelm Reich. Stand-up anti-Nazi, turned nutty and probably abusive psychologist.
There was also a Victorian researcher who thought that he could cure tinnitus with inhalations of cyanide gas. He experimented on himself. Hilarity, conclusive but not confirmatory, ensued.
Well, to be fair, the tinnitus did stop.
Wilhelm Reich
With a name like that the deck's kind of stacked, no?
23: Having now read his Wikipedia entry, it seems very doubtful that he was ever not nutty, and if "abusive" includes having sex with his patients, he was doing that from the very start too.
HE GETS RESULTS YOU STUPID CHIEF!
Quite by coincidence, u stumbled on the following Haldane quote, from "Daedalus, or the future of science" over the weekend
"In particular there is perhaps reason to think that that form of sentimentalism which hampers medical research in this country by legislation would be less likely to flourish in a robust and selfish labour party of the Australian type than in parties whose members enjoy the leisure which seems necessary to the development of such emotional luxuries."
From 1924
(preceding comment posted from under the English channel)
30: So those cellphones really do work underwater? And NW can obviously hold his breath for a long time!
British lefties are much more rugged than Haldane gave them credit for.
NW, like all unfogged commenters, possesses his own small but functional submarine.
Do they come with the fruit basket? Because I think mine got lost in the mail.
Can't ship to you because of threats from the mainland. Our comments are largely designed in North American and Europe, but actual manufacturing takes place in Guangdong.
The fruit basket is a gift. The submarine is a prerequisite.
Hey, everyone, Mossy doesn't have a submarine! SAD.
Can we all get ekranoplans, too? Everyone has a submarine these days.
Everyone except Mossy, and people whose submarines I've destroyed.
There's actually a surprising range of personal submarines on the mass market and they're not that expensive.
Although to be fair the Seabreacher (pretty cheap at only $80,000, unlike some other personal subs) is not really a submarine, just something that allows you to go underwater in your boat for a few minutes in snorkel mode. Still, it is available in Shark style X model, Killer Whale Y mode, or Dolphin style Z model."
There's also a community of people building their own personal submarines. I subscribed to their mailing list for a while about ten years ago. They are some hardore people, building some pretty neat machines. The downside is that if you fuck up you die, but there's something kind of appealing to me in building something and putting your life on the line as a demonstration of confidence in your abilities.
OH GOD, I'M AN OCEAN BUOY.
42 reminds me that I did indeed take an embroidery class this weekend, as planned!
Were you doing shark, killer whale, or dolphin-style embroidery?
I'd think that a personal submarine is one of those items where 'not that expensive' isn't really a selling point.
45: I did a tiger lily. Nia also attended and decided on a faun.
They're fine, as long as you don't accept invitations to tea.
I got my submarine from Crazy Eddie's Used Personal Submarine Emporium. Super cheap, and it only leaks a little bit.
Back in my day, we had a better class of white-collar criminal than what you get today.
42: The good news is that if you do fuck up, the money you burnt on your passion project serves as the funeral expenses.
I wish I could remember the name of the guy from a story I heard in grad school: used haemostats to clamp his eye muscles in place in order to test the prediction that he'd have a rotation illusion if the eye-movement command was put into conflict with the visual feedback. Answer: yes! And yet, clamps on his eyes! I can't imagine what that felt like after the cocaine wore off.
And then there's this guy still going strong who lets himself be stung/bitten by insects so he can rate the pain.
MY next self-experiment is to see how often I can use finding a "social accomplishment" as a reframing device for bad outcomes.
Back in my day, we had a better class of white-collar criminal than what you get today.
Are you kidding? We've just lived through the golden age of white color crime. It turns out you can blow up the entire global economy and fix it so nobody goes to jail!
white color crime
I don't know if this was on purpose or not, but I enjoyed it all the same.
I remember a vivid article about what it was like working on Crazy Eddie's shopfloor, but a lot of that space seems to be taken up, when you google now, by tell-alls from his cousin who helped him defraud investors.
I believe the "social accomplishment" that Dr. Haldane was referring to was his then novel method of signaling an interest in the opposite sex, rendering the lupine whistle technique obsolete and allowing the "Ah-woo-gah!" to be repurposed by the nascent automobile industry.
The interviews with the personal sub building hobbyists may be my favorite bit in Joli Mai.
I would have added to this discussion but I had to attend a lecture at University College London, in the Wilkins building, in the Haldane room. Spooky
I'm kind of obssessed with the idea of owning a personal submarine. At least to the point where I've spent a lot of time mucking about on the internet looking at all the websites of the various companies that build them even though I can't afford one. But I've never checked out the DIY hobbyist sites. Because I don't want to die.
I'm kind of obssessed with the idea of owning a personal submarine. At least to the point where I've spent a lot of time mucking about on the internet looking at all the websites of the various companies that build them even though I can't afford one. But I've never checked out the DIY hobbyist sites. Because I don't want to die.
I believed you the first time.
I believe the "social accomplishment" that Dr. Haldane was referring to was his then novel method of signaling an interest in the opposite sex, rendering the lupine whistle technique obsolete and allowing the "Ah-woo-gah!" to be repurposed by the nascent automobile industry.
Also the nascent Craig Charles.
I have invented what I believe to be an entirely novel flirtatious act.
65 If it involves poop I don't think I want to know about it.
Does it involve poop?
Forßmann doesn't seem to have done anything awful, although his memoir is a key source for much of his life, so care is advised.
https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werner_For%C3%9Fmann
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