Re: Guest Post - [...] Hooray!

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We never get to see those photos juxtaposed against a picture of that same person looking unflattering.

there speaks someone with a Stage IV case of Pauline Kael Syndrome. Really? There are whole mass-circulation magazines that do not much else! The world's highest-traffic news website has a whole sidebar of just that!


Posted by: Alex | Link to this comment | 09-29-16 6:23 AM
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The Daily Mail website: it exists!


Posted by: Alex | Link to this comment | 09-29-16 6:24 AM
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Boy, if that's a fair sample, a lot of men don't have much of an idea of how to pose themselves flatteringly. The women all have effective poses worked out -- the men are largely standing there, or standing there slightly differently.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 09-29-16 6:28 AM
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Actually, on going through them again, a majority of the men think that an alluring pose is "Arms crossed defensively over my chest to hide my nipples." It's a wonder the human race has survived.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 09-29-16 6:32 AM
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First reaction: it's astonishing what a difference you can make with a hairbrush. Not all of them, of course- some are bald or shaved, but in some cases I think they could rock the right hand posture with the left hand hairstyle.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 09-29-16 6:39 AM
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What is a left-hand hairstyle?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-29-16 6:44 AM
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4: Maybe it's because they don't have a brush for their chest hair?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-29-16 6:46 AM
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Left hand picture is flattering, right unflattering.


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 09-29-16 6:47 AM
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I see. I didn't look at the link because I am at work.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-29-16 6:49 AM
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1 reminds me of the argument that Maxim, FHM etc. were far more acceptable from a feminist point of view than their counterparts Heat, Closer etc. because both largely subsisted on photos of female celebrities not wearing very much, but at least FHM was saying nice things like "Isn't she GORGEOUS" while Heat was saying "She's too thin! She's too fat! Look at that belly! That cellulite! That flab! Is she on drugs? Is she bulimic? I bet she's pregnant! Isn't she HORRIBLE?"


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 09-29-16 6:50 AM
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See also every R&F before and after picture.


Posted by: will | Link to this comment | 09-29-16 6:53 AM
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4 Wait, it's not? How is that not alluring?


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 09-29-16 6:59 AM
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I agree every woman shows practice at some point in posing, and probably nude because most are making the most of their features. And by-and-large the men are not doing that. I can remember posing while an adolescent, and occasionally even now when assessing myself, but not while nude in either case.

This is why the left-side pictures are more interesting to me than the right, even though the point they make is well-taken.


Posted by: idp | Link to this comment | 09-29-16 7:11 AM
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Boy, if that's a fair sample, a lot of men don't have much of an idea of how to pose themselves flatteringly.

The surprising part is that women DO have an idea of how to pose themselves flatteringly. Where do you learn that?


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 09-29-16 7:26 AM
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There are many different flattering poses but in almost every case the "ugly" pose involves putting your head way down to give yourself as many chins as possible.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 09-29-16 7:28 AM
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The surprising part is that women DO have an idea of how to pose themselves flatteringly. Where do you learn that?

Seriously? Every magazine, media article, friend, instagram, etc.

Every female I know under 40 knows exactly how to pose. Chin on a shelf!


Posted by: will | Link to this comment | 09-29-16 7:29 AM
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I assumed the photographer largely controlled the poses.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 09-29-16 7:41 AM
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And has a crippling fear of man nipples.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 09-29-16 7:43 AM
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I have no idea how to pose. I blame the patriarchy.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 09-29-16 7:45 AM
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I gather from this that visible necks are important.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 09-29-16 7:50 AM
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ME TOO.


Posted by: OPINIONATED VULTURE | Link to this comment | 09-29-16 7:56 AM
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WOULD THAT THE ROMAN PEOPLE HAD ONE VISIBLE NECK.


Posted by: Opinionated Caligula | Link to this comment | 09-29-16 7:58 AM
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THOSE EAGLES AREN'T SO SEXY ANYMORE ARE THEY.


Posted by: OPINIONATED VULTURE | Link to this comment | 09-29-16 8:00 AM
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That one guy has a big wang.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 09-29-16 8:23 AM
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Is this a representative sample? There are a lot more nipple piercings than I would have expected.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 09-29-16 9:54 AM
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If there is one thing we learn from this it is that throwing your shoulders back makes you look hotter.

24. Never been to a porn site, eh?


Posted by: DaveLMA | Link to this comment | 09-29-16 5:04 PM
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16 is so not true.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 09-29-16 5:08 PM
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There's porn on the internet?


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 09-29-16 6:17 PM
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28: So, so not true.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 09-29-16 8:21 PM
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I assumed the photographer largely controlled the poses.

My assumption as well (and certainly had control wrt lighting). My main critique is that 2/3 of the right-side poses were unnaturally hunched-forward. Like, I don't think the point was that "anyone can control themselves into looking awkward," but that someone who looks very elegant when posed/lit for that purpose will look unremarkable (at best) when not-posing under poor lighting.

I mean, slouching is surely a way to make almost anyone look worse, but the models were practically trying to get their collarbones to touch.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 09-30-16 6:47 AM
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Then the photographer intended the posed women to look better than the men, as LB and I and others have observed.


Posted by: idp | Link to this comment | 09-30-16 6:50 AM
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There's still skill/practice/experience in posing well. To the extent that women in our society are more familiar with how to pose for best effect than men are*, then you're going to get better poses from women unless you do extensive work with the men.

That said, she could have done better than folded arms for so many.

*famously, women in group photos tend to turn to accentuate their figures, while men just stand squarely facing the camera, possibly sucking in their guts or flexing their arm muscles


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 09-30-16 8:49 AM
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