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I do not like to use hateful words, but BuzzFeed does not make a good case for millennials not being fucking imbeciles.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 5:31 AM
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I have eaten soup with a bread spoon.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 5:31 AM
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I love Miley Cyrus covering songs. It's just charming how much she clearly loves such a variety of music and seems really happy to be able to sing the songs she loves.


Posted by: Unfoggetarian: "Pause endlessly, then go in." (9) | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 5:32 AM
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But have you ever eaten a taco bowl?


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 5:35 AM
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I think I missed the SWPL wars here. Or came only for the very end of them.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 5:37 AM
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I've done some of those things, but do you need 50 out of 100 to be truly white? 25? 75?

I mean, who hasn't felt kind of sorry for Lindsay Lohan? Amirite?


Posted by: DaveLMA | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 5:46 AM
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Anyway, a bread bowl is just the modern version of the medieval trencher. Except that you don't give them to the poor when you're finished with the food it was holding.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 5:48 AM
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SWPL was great and you all continue to be wrong. I haven't heard of half the things on this list, and answered "yes" to about five of them. Millennial thing?


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 5:52 AM
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This one, by contrast, requires you to be generally into some kind of popular music to be valid. I got 8/100, a seriously false negative. (It probably also doesn't work so well for Boomers.)

I liked the time travel fantasy question.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 5:53 AM
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Who spends that much time pondering time travel?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 5:54 AM
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Who indeed?


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 5:58 AM
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Pfft, like Moby needed more than three seconds to vote "yes, kill Baby Hitler".


Posted by: snarkout | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 6:05 AM
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If only Taylor Swift were around then to provide a positive example of blondness.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 6:08 AM
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Bare midriffs, not arms.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 6:10 AM
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SWPL was a lot easier to say than SWUMCL.


Posted by: Ginger Yellow | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 6:12 AM
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SWUMCPL, even.


Posted by: Ginger Yellow | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 6:13 AM
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The Man from SWUMCL.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 6:14 AM
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I scored 3 out of 100; probably 60% of them I had no idea what they even meant. Can you only be white in America?


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 6:18 AM
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Or can you only be white if you're under 30?


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 6:18 AM
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I love guacamole, and I saw Juno. I don't think having had to square dance in phys ed class should count. Or maybe it should? I've laughed out loud to Monty Python and seen more than one Wes Anderson movie. Also, I've seen fire and I've seen rain.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 6:29 AM
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Linking James Taylor with "whiteness" is reverse racism.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 6:30 AM
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I scored higher than chris y -- I got 14 out of 100 -- but yeah, most of these I had never heard of either.

And some of the ones I did understand made me laugh out loud, here in my office. Had your PONY stolen?


Posted by: delagar | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 6:33 AM
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I would be as non-white as Minivet if only I hadn't learned to embroider recently, but it was totally worth it. And I'm so, so white.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 6:33 AM
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21: Sometimes, the truth hurts.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 6:35 AM
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Also, the fishing one? Black people don't fish? This is news to me.


Posted by: delagar | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 6:35 AM
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This should have had a trigger warning -- it made me remember the thing Justin Bieber did that made me cry. Oh, Justin! How could you???


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 6:40 AM
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26. You mean that time he got a record contract?


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 6:44 AM
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18/100. They totally nailed me on the New Balance (but missed on ~everything else.)


Posted by: Yawnoc | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 6:54 AM
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This missed me pretty much completely. I'll buy that it's picking out someone, but I don't clearly recognize the target.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 6:56 AM
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In Louisiana, I'm sure black folks fish. In New York City, no.


Posted by: Yawnoc | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 6:57 AM
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I mean, questions literally about sunscreen? That's me. But not the rest of it.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 6:57 AM
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30: That's why they say "Coney Island whites fish."


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 6:58 AM
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I think it's pretty broad spectrum. E.g., clearly there's not a big demographic that listens to Taylor Swift AND Elton John AND Tenacious D AND Creed, or who appreciate Monty Python AND Blue Collar Comedy, but each of these is individually pretty white.


Posted by: Yawnoc | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 7:00 AM
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Only 15 out of 100.

As for SWPL, although I realize that implying that progressives are humorless is the most oppressive thing in the universe, my response to the dour reaction to the SWPL blog was "Holy crap you people need to lighten up."


Posted by: AcademicLurker | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 7:08 AM
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30: Black people fish in Ohio. I've seen them.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 7:14 AM
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I got 19 being as liberal as possible, for example answering the tanning questions based on things that happened decades ago. My summer job was driving a boat teaching windsurfing so of course I had to wear a T-shirt when I was on the water 6 hours a day.
Give me whiteness points for the job, not the associated working conditions.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 7:17 AM
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The millenniality also skewed the results for me. I got to 29 by stretching a little -- e.g., I have had passing thoughts that Lindsay Lohan seems to have a fucked up life -- but I'm really a lot whiter than that.


Posted by: Sir Kraab | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 7:19 AM
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As for SWPL, although I realize that implying that progressives are humorless is the most oppressive thing in the universe, my response to the dour reaction to the SWPL blog was "Holy crap you people need to lighten up."

The dour reaction was because they took what had once been called "yuppies" and renamed then "white people". Which is... a bad thing to do? For a number of reasons?


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 7:23 AM
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Comparng this thing to SWPL, which legitimately nailed a particular kind of UMC whote person at a time when few were doing it, is the most embarassing thing Heebie has ever done. The butthurt reactions to SWPL here was the most embarassing thing in the history of Unfogged.

On this quiz, I got 17/100. I guess the quiz is supposed to identify ... 27 year old white women?


Posted by: R Tigre | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 7:24 AM
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Yeah, I had no idea about most of the music, or if I did at least understand it (I've heard Phish!) I certainly didn't meet the criteria. I'm sure I'd miserably fail a similar quiz about how black are you, although to be fair when I was 12, at my Jewish summer camp we were early fans of Dre and Eazy-E.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 7:28 AM
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In fact I blame SWPL for all the idiots on social media now who go "Fuck, I hate white dudes" despite being in fact white dudes themselves, and then saying "Uh you don't have to be a white man to be a white dude, white dudes are anyone who unthinkingly defends the power structure, blah blah blah". Words have no meaning!


Posted by: Cryptic ned | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 7:30 AM
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41 - still humiliating yourself!


Posted by: R Tigre | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 7:32 AM
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Last night I had dinner at Margaritaville with a colleague who had never heard of Jimmy Buffet. I'm not sure if its because my colleague is not white, or if its because he's a millennial. This calls for further research.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 7:35 AM
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Being white means never having to say you're sorry, but saying it all the time anyway.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 7:36 AM
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my pony was stolen. more accurately, I went outside to see her being led into a horse trailer by a kid I didn't know. when I said "that's my pony!" he was like "it's my pony now!" because my parents had sold her without warning me.


Posted by: alameida | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 7:39 AM
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My pony was named "Tarzan".


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 7:41 AM
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Claiming that I'm butthurt and need to lighten up about SWPL is like claiming I'm butthurt and need to lighten up about Garfield or Full House. It's not that I got my feelings hurt.


Posted by: Heebie | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 7:43 AM
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Many of the pop musicians here I know primarily for work-related reasons, maybe the whitest thing of all.


Posted by: R Tigre | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 7:45 AM
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Last night I had dinner at Margaritaville with a colleague who had never heard of Jimmy Buffet.

I don't think I'd have heard of him if not for two particular podcasts making fun of him.


Posted by: Ginger Yellow | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 7:47 AM
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If you'd ever lived in Ohio, you would have heard people talking about going to Buckeye Lake to hear Jimmy Buffet. Because apparently in Ohio you need an occasion to act like a drunken fool. They called themselves "Dittoheads" or something.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 7:51 AM
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47 & etc.: The dour reactions I'm thinking of occurred elsewhere. If there were dour reactions at Unfogged, I must have missed them.

You should really lighten up about Full House, though.


Posted by: AcademicLurker | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 7:52 AM
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work-related reasons, maybe the whitest thing of all

True, "having a job" is stereotypically white.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 7:52 AM
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At least twelve of these items transcend "whiteness." (Some of them are stereotypically Canadian things, which is not *quite* the same. AndyYou'd have to be a stone not to be moved by the Miley Cyrus cover of Jolene, for instance.) Those also just happen to be twelve of the thirteen items that apply to me.

"Whose Line Is It Anyway" is pretty stereotypically white though, Wayne Brady notwithstanding. I'll give 'em that one.

The quiz as a whole is either terrible, or a glimpse into a terrifying world full of people who really do have conversations specifically not about "12 Years a Slave" using only quotes from "Talladega Nights."


Posted by: Lord Castock | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 8:01 AM
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Whiteness is hard to define because it only exists only in opposition to other human groups. Whiteness is the absence of good.


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 8:02 AM
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I'm sure black folks fish. In New York City, no.

I met one! This guy was crabbing (!) on the piers near the Harlem Fairway. He was super-enthusiastic about the $100 reel he was about to pick up on layaway from this guy down on Bleeker.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 8:02 AM
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Every time I have been sailing has been like a terrible dream--if you're sailing, it means you're trapped on a sailboat with the sort of people who go sailing. I've faked headaches and excused myself to go take a rage-nap on at least three sailboats. I don't know how white this particular thing makes me, but I am pretty white.


Posted by: Clytie | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 8:03 AM
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Black folks fish A LOT in New York City though. Have you ever been on the East River promenade above 96th street? Very intense black fishing scene.


Posted by: Clytie | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 8:04 AM
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Black folks fish A LOT in New York City though. Have you ever been on the East River promenade above 96th street? Very intense black fishing scene.


Posted by: Clytie | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 8:04 AM
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they fish so much.


Posted by: Clytie | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 8:05 AM
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I don't really find fishing that enjoyable. I think shooting a shotgun into the water to get a fish would be more entertaining. Plus, if the whole "evolution" thing is right, we would be creating fish that stay deep enough of the water that I don't have to look at them.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 8:09 AM
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Huh. I got 11/100. I guess I'm (hushed tones) the wrong kind of white person.


Posted by: Buttercup | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 8:13 AM
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55 Bleecker, please.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 8:15 AM
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57 is truth. And so is 58.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 8:16 AM
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Black folks fish a lot in Chicago too. Immigrants fish everywhere I've ever lived. That one was baffling.


Posted by: Buttercup | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 8:16 AM
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64 A white person must have made the quiz is why. Making stupid quizzes about whiteness must be swipple.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 8:18 AM
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I got 4 out of 100, which suggests that only people who watch American television can be white


Posted by: NW | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 8:20 AM
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This is mostly a pop culture quiz. Which, okay, I'm sure there is a white pop culture and a black pop culture, but if you don't care much about either this quiz will be irrelevant. Way less funny and more anodyne than SWPL.


Posted by: F | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 8:24 AM
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"Whose Line Is It Anyway" is pretty stereotypically white though, Wayne Brady notwithstanding.

What's Aisha Tyler, chopped liver?


Posted by: Ginger Yellow | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 8:25 AM
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I have been mixing up the names of black dudes who play pool at the bar I go to. It is pretty god damn mortifying I must say.

I am even facebook friends with one of them. He just posted how much he likes this one Pavement song so you can take that shit right off the whiteness list.


Posted by: lemmy caution | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 8:26 AM
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68 Lana!


Posted by: Opinionated Sterling Malory Archer | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 8:28 AM
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45. Oh my God. That is too sad to pass without comment.


Posted by: Penny | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 8:42 AM
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68: I guess maybe I need to watch the show again!


Posted by: Lord Castock | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 8:43 AM
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66: Caucasian Americans invented whiteness.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 8:48 AM
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55 Bleecker, please.

How embarrassing. A whiter person (I got 14 IIRC) would never make that mistake.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 8:55 AM
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White where it counts.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 8:59 AM
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74 Now let me hear you say "Houston"


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 9:00 AM
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76 Reminds me that last week at that conference in Dubrovnik I got into it with a native Oregonian about how to correctly pronounce "Oregon".


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 9:02 AM
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They called themselves "Dittoheads" or something.

Parotheads, I think.

The list made me feel old. I am aware of most of the pop culture references, but don't feel any connection to most of them. Though, come to think of it, that's how I felt when I was younger, so perhaps age isn't the issue.


Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 9:05 AM
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Dave Chappelle tried to warn us about calling "Whose Line..." white, but did we listen?


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 9:06 AM
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If they didn't want it to be pronounced like "polygon" they shouldn't have spelled it that way.


Posted by: Todd | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 9:09 AM
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Who else here was a fan of SWPL? Tigre, ogged, AcademicLurker...?


Posted by: lurid keyaki | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 9:09 AM
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77: The nice thing about pronouncing local things in Dubrovnik is that every letter has one sound and you pronounce every letter, so once you've got all your Cs down you're basically golden.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 9:12 AM
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27/100, but I think a lot of it is a combination of my age, and having in-laws from the rural Midwest.

And I will hear no denigration of Jimmy Buffett or Parrotheads. You will never find a friendlier, more generous crowd of drunk people.


Posted by: J, Robot | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 9:17 AM
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80 IKR?


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 9:18 AM
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If they didn't want it to be pronounced like "polygon" they shouldn't have spelled it that way.

So there's more than two sides to this story?


Posted by: Ginger Yellow | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 9:18 AM
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I liked SWPL. It was funny.


Posted by: lemmy caution | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 9:21 AM
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Here in Arkansas, black people fish. So do Asian people and Latino people. Native Americans too.


Posted by: delagar | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 9:23 AM
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Even the professors fish!

Though not me. I got enough of that as a kid.


Posted by: delagar | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 9:23 AM
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NMM to Vine.


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Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 9:27 AM
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I used to tell my dad that my friends and I were going fishing. One day as I was leaving he told me about a friend of his who complained that fishing was great until some fool brought out the fishing poles. This was my dad's way of saying that he knew we were going to sit by the river and drink beer.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 9:28 AM
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The "fishing is for white people" thing is cringeworthy and embarrassing. Fishing does skew pretty male, though, so maybe the author unthinkingly added it for gender balance.


Posted by: lurid keyaki | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 9:28 AM
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81: Not so much a fan (although I did think some of the entries were funny) as bemused by the intensity of the reactions to it. I felt the same way when the entire progressive internet was caterwauling about the stupid ice bucket for ALS research fundraiser.

I guess I'm just puzzled by the things that will cause people to cry "ZOMG! Problematic!!" en mass.


Posted by: AcademicLurker | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 9:31 AM
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The only thing wrong with going sailing is that inevitably the person whose boat it is will ask if you want to try steering it and you feel compelled to say "uh, sure." That violates the whole point of the trip, which is: "Be lazy out on the water."


Posted by: DaveLMA | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 9:36 AM
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Sailing takes me away to where I'm going.

Am I white or am I white?


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 9:39 AM
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Sailing is definitely where I fooled around in closest proximity to my parents.


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 10:00 AM
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God, peep, don't make us have the thing about whether Jews can be white again.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 10:09 AM
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Make Jews White Again!


Posted by: OPINIONATED YOU KNOW WHAT, LET'S JUST LEAVE THIS ONE BE. | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 10:15 AM
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89 to 46.


Posted by: My Alter Ego | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 10:19 AM
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96: If you saw me dance, you wouldn't question my whiteness.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 10:20 AM
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I bet among millenials, fishing skews white. And this quiz skews young (aside from the Mitt Romney question).


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 10:26 AM
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100: Why on earth would that be true?


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 10:26 AM
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Because it's a rural/urban thing, and at this moment, rural=red state=white hick, urban=blue state=not a white hick. So fishing is going to get lumped in with hunting and squirreling and rolling coal and so on.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 10:32 AM
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Squirreling?

I had a friend who liked to hunt and then skin squirrels, but he was (a) a student at extremely fancy private high school (b) not white.


Posted by: R Tigre | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 10:38 AM
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You run over squirrel with your modded pickup then smoke it in the exhaust stack.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 10:40 AM
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I think we may eventually have to face the horrible truth that not all people conform to racial stereotypes.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 10:41 AM
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"Squirreling" doesn't mean hunting for squirrels. It means evading something by being sneaky or hunting for foxes using a line baited with a squirrel.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 10:42 AM
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I have literally never heard of the hunt foxes with a line baited with squirrel use of "squirreling" before today.


Posted by: R Tigre | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 10:45 AM
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107: Clearly, you need to spend more time with the landed gentry.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 10:48 AM
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Now I'm worried that Moby may not have been serious. Why would he play such a mean trick?


Posted by: R Tigre | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 10:50 AM
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Fishing demographics links here and here. Not sure it seems disproportionately white; not sure the surveys capture all fishing or focus more narrowly on "recreation" rather than a thing you do a few times a week in your city's river or lake during the off-hours.


Posted by: lurid keyaki | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 10:51 AM
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If it were instead titled "How basic are you?" would we be inclined to quibble with any of the question choices? I'm pretty sure that's what it really means.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 10:55 AM
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There are still a few old black guys in my neighborhood who keep a fishing boat, complete with trailer, in their driveway. I'd be willing to bet that 95% of the residents of the city of LA with a driveway fishing boat are non-white. It feels like something from another time, like weirdly specific to the world between 1950-1980.


Posted by: R Tigre | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 10:55 AM
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Not that that isn't recreation, but... I'm not sure what word would distinguish everyday fishing-for-food (by no means only a city thing) from going on a fishing vacation to a specific vacationy lake and so on.

112: Do the white people not fish, or do they keep the boat at the vacation home?


Posted by: lurid keyaki | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 11:00 AM
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Are there any skiing questions on the quiz I feel like there should have been. And I can't ski and have no desire to learn. Because I'm an ally.

I mean I went on school Ski Trips in high school but those were 100% hand jobs 0% skiing. Like, almost officially.


Posted by: Clytie | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 11:00 AM
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111 is entirely correct. "Basic" is the racial epithet for (youngish) white people.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 11:03 AM
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113.2 - Dunno The only white angelenos I know who are into fishing are into either (a) fly fishing, which, I theoretically am as well but never do and you can only do hundreds of miles away (b) bow-and-arrow fishing where you literally stand around a pond or ocean or something and shoot fish with a bow and arrow. I'm not totally sure how that fish with arrows thing works, but my brother-in-law is into it.


Posted by: R Tigre | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 11:04 AM
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"How was the skiing on your high school ski trips?" is like a perfect one-question Turing Test.


Posted by: Clytie | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 11:04 AM
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There was a skiing question! "Have you gone on a weekend ski vacation?" I skied in the Sierra on New Year's Day this year -- some of the purest joy I've felt as an adult -- and then flipped my shit when I went again sometime in February and could barely get down the hill for muscle-shuddering fear. I think enough of the powder had turned icy after six weeks that it flipped the switch from "you are truly alive" to "you are about to die," but maybe it was random?

I rarely do it for all the obvious reasons, but the good trips have been actually blissful.


Posted by: lurid keyaki | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 11:06 AM
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Obviously this thread will get hijacked by personal disclaimers.

I haven't read the thread (personal disclaimer?!) but obviously such disclaiming is the acme of whiteness.


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114.1: There was a question about skiing!

114.2: Was it on the permission slip your parents had to sign?


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 11:07 AM
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The acme of the acme would be, "I'm not racist, but..."


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 11:08 AM
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118 cool I got to "have you ever decided to go sailing and then gone sailing" question and it was too hard for me to think of an authentic answer so I gave up. I'm white AND basic though.


Posted by: Clytie | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 11:09 AM
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I'm not totally sure how that fish with arrows thing works, but my brother-in-law is into it.

I did it once. The arrow you shoot has fishing line trailing from it and there's a way to reel in the fish. So, it's basically like other types of fishing but with less "catch and release'>


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 11:10 AM
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122: Yeah, I've been on a sailboat a few times in my life. I don't think it counts, because I was just a passenger.


Posted by: peep | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 11:12 AM
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I'm just not sure that any of the times I went sailing were after I DECIDED to go sailing.


Posted by: Clytie | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 11:16 AM
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I mean I was on the boat so I guess I must have, but that doesn't seem like something I'd decide to do.


Posted by: Clytie | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 11:17 AM
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But does 115 mean that "whiteness" is also feminine for young people? Honestly, I can't think of all that many genderless stereotypes of any race, which is a little uncanny. And I can't think of many stereotypes in general, aside from the long-running ones I've seen explicitly "mentioned" more than "used"; I probably tend to block them out. I do think intense vocal insecurity and requests for reassurance are much more common among white women than among women of color. I'd guess that women of other races have never been provided the basic social support to express self-doubts in public the way white women can (but am I wrong?). It's not a good trait, but it's an index of some level of privilege: you have a reasonable expectation of being reassured. When I think of it as a disingenuous, maladaptive behavior it's often in those terms.


Posted by: lurid keyaki | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 11:21 AM
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Most of the fishing done around here (Arkansas) is fishing for food, except for some sport bass fishing. Even then I *think* they eat the fish.

But certainly the daily fishers I see fishing in the local lakes and creeks and rivers, that's food-fishing. Though I'm sure they're also having a good time.


Posted by: delagar | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 11:23 AM
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I'd guess that women of other races have never been provided the basic social support to express self-doubts in public the way white women can (but am I wrong?).

basic basic?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 11:28 AM
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Ha! Baseline?


Posted by: lurid keyaki | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 11:29 AM
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127 is full of lots of interesting things to think about. I'm not sure which I agree with yet.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 11:29 AM
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I guess the quiz is supposed to identify ... 27 year old white women?

AKA Buzzfeed's target audience. Not a lot of overlap with the Unfogged demographic.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 11:41 AM
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I'm not sure what word would distinguish everyday fishing-for-food (by no means only a city thing) from going on a fishing vacation to a specific vacationy lake and so on.

"Subsistence" versus "sport." In Alaska this is an important legal distinction.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 11:42 AM
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And a distinction with very strong racial associations too.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 11:51 AM
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Right... somehow I was reluctant to label the city fishing I've seen as "subsistence," even though it didn't look very sporty to me, because WTF do I know. But I wasn't reluctant to awkwardly circumlocute the term either! I'd guess that permits apply in places like Alaska, but I don't know if tracking that captures all meaningful fishing activity for demographic purposes.


Posted by: lurid keyaki | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 11:53 AM
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All six black Alaskans are sport fishermen, is why.*

*this is deliberately designed to produce an over-earnest response from Teo.


Posted by: R Tigre | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 11:53 AM
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Right... somehow I was reluctant to label the city fishing I've seen as "subsistence," even though it didn't look very sporty to me, because WTF do I know.

"Personal use" is another category used in Alaska that might apply better to that case.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 12:00 PM
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Definitely not taking the bait (so to speak) on 136.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 12:02 PM
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And all six use the western entrance to Yellowstone.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 12:03 PM
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Heh.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 12:19 PM
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Now I've read the thread but I'm pretty sure I'm not better off for having done so.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 12:30 PM
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I've faked headaches and excused myself to go take a rage-nap

This may not be unique to whiteness, but it's been inherent to it on both sides of my family. I used to embroider when I was too young to excuse myself, it gets you out of most eye-contact.


Posted by: clew | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 1:33 PM
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I do think the rage-nap response is heritable.


Posted by: Clytie | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 1:34 PM
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Not a lot of overlap with the Unfogged demographic.

Probably true, but I wish to point out to any 27-year-old women who might be reading this thread that I, an attractive, clever, cultured, stably employed young man, am presently in want of a girlfriend.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 1:44 PM
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Odd quiz. I have sailed, hacked, and square-danced and it still thought I wasn't white.


Posted by: clew | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 1:46 PM
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If you want 27-year-old women to pay attention to you, try walking with a small boy dressed like Harry Potter.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 1:47 PM
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Sometimes I figure that unfogged is simply an elaborate catfish routine where all the commenters are actually products of a Steve Buscemi look-alike.


Posted by: Buttercup | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 1:51 PM
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144: but given 141, how could you stand any 27-year-old woman who had made it to comment 144?


Posted by: lurid keyaki | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 1:55 PM
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145: Because you never had your pony stolen, is why.


Posted by: delagar | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 2:08 PM
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148: naturally she would have seen my name in the sidebar and had her curiosity aroused.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 2:18 PM
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Odd quiz. I have sailed, hacked, and square-danced and it still thought I wasn't white.

Well, being white is an insult. It means you're basic. I wonder where they put the cut-off.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 2:18 PM
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The quiz is to determine whether you're basic?
- Have you eaten baking soda?
- Have you eaten lye?
Scores between 0 and 14.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 2:21 PM
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Despite a logstanding love of reggae, I have never given serious thought to Jamaican canned cheese.

Until today that is.


Posted by: lw | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 3:08 PM
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You know what's really swipple?


Posted by: Turgid Jacobian | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 4:40 PM
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154. Exactly what I was thinking. The fuck?


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 4:58 PM
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I can't remember who here I was arguing about jury nullification with or when, but it's a terrible idea and, whoever you are, I was right. That is the most important thing to come out of the acquittal.


Posted by: R Tigre | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 5:02 PM
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I can't remember who here I was arguing about jury nullification with or when, but it's a terrible idea and, whoever you are, I was right.

Probably Trapnel. He's definitely argued in favor of it here.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 5:11 PM
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I am so mad about this. I can't even read beyond the headline.


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 5:34 PM
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Did the article say it was "jury nullification"?


Posted by: DaveLMA | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 6:10 PM
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159: What, you think maybe there was for realsies some reasonable doubt about whether or not these people conspired to prevent federal employees from discharging their duties through force, intimidation, or threats? That they carried firearms in a federal facility?

158: if you didn't read beyond the headline, you missed the one good part, where their jackass lawyer managed to get himself tased by the marshals in the courtroom. (Apparently he got in the judge's face demanding that she show him a document giving her the authority to continue detaining Bundy pending his Nevada trial.)


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 6:38 PM
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Whoops, 160 me.


Posted by: potchkeh | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 6:38 PM
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At least the Bundys themselves are still facing trial in Nevada for the earlier standoff. They're probably a lot more dangerous than the rest of the dumbasses who were with them in Oregon.


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154 Holy shit. How do you lose a case like that?


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 7:04 PM
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160.last that marshal better be drinking for free this weekend or there really is no justice in the US of A.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 7:06 PM
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Bet the defendants who pled guilty feel pretty silly right now.


Posted by: Todd | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 7:10 PM
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This is like the first unsettling indication that all the polls are wrong and Trump will win.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 7:20 PM
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Does the charge the feds were trying to prove have some very complicated legal hoops to jump through or something? The trial seems to have lasted almost as long as the standoff.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 7:36 PM
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Oh jeez I got a 15 on this (i.e. by their ratings: Not White) and I am pretty white. My musical tastes are white and a half.

I'm glad SWPL isn't quite a thing anymore. It was a slightly funny concept that spun out into a lot of boring self-recrimination and bank-shot self-celebration.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 10:27 PM
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I always post twice in a row but anyway I feel like this is a quiz about a really narrow segment of whiteness. The stuff here skews young and...I don't want to say "mainstream" in the way that implies my tastes are delightfully recherche, but I just...don't listen to much radio pop, for example, which meant I answered no to a ton of these.

I'm looking back through these (because it is so important and serious) and lots of them are about other things. I'm not primarily a dog person. I don't like sports or think a lot about my tan. I did, ok, have a daydream about being on The Real World a looooong time ago and yes I have envied Lauren Conrad during the dark period when I watched too much The Hills both because she will never have a sad thought because she doesn't have thoughts and because she seems to have a nice lifestyle.


Posted by: Mister Smearcase | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 10:35 PM
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The stuff here skews young and...I don't want to say "mainstream" in the way that implies my tastes are delightfully recherche, but I just...

I think the word you're looking for is "basic."


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 10-27-16 11:51 PM
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As come up at the other place, I'm very very not-white according to that. Which I think -- since I'm Whitey McWhite -- means I'm none of the following: American, middle-class, between the age of 20 and 35.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 10-28-16 3:58 AM
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I think the word you're looking for is "BuzzFeed reader"


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 10-28-16 7:38 AM
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Oh jeez I got a 15 on this (i.e. by their ratings: Not White) and I am pretty white.

Same. I also got 15; I also think I'm pretty white. I think I got 4 or 5 points for being pasty-faced, prone to freckles, and unable to tan.


Posted by: Just Plain Jane | Link to this comment | 10-28-16 4:32 PM
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160. I'm just curious if someone used the phrase, because it's a giant hot-button cause among certain nutso right-wingers, kind of like the Income Tax being illegal or becoming a "sovereign citizen."


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