Re: Guest Post - Something positive

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I do love portraits, and among portraits, Sargent's Mrs. Charles Inches is a favorite.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 11-25-16 1:31 PM
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Is it me or do the feet on the feet on the Bechdel portrait look fucking huge?


Posted by: gswift | Link to this comment | 11-25-16 1:59 PM
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What, gswift, yours aren't bigger than your thighs?


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 11-25-16 2:07 PM
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The placement of Titian's portrait of Pietro Aretino has made me laugh aloud.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 11-25-16 2:21 PM
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Nia and I went with the kind localish commenters last weekend to the Taft Museum and saw this portrait of Queen Maria Luisa of Spain, which I've always thought (though maybe not in those words) would be entirely unsurprising if you saw it on Upworthy as "this portrait artist painted the woman who cleans her apartment as a queen and you'll never believe the result!" or something. I like her a lot.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 11-25-16 2:28 PM
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Her feet look like they were drawn by R. Crumb.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 11-25-16 2:31 PM
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Looks like her jeans have a kind of unusual cut, too. Big knees.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 11-25-16 2:31 PM
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In the original, I'm not seeing the ghosts of the Dykes at all. Though if, like me, you've wondered what they'd think of recent political news, there's an answer that's exactly what I'd have expected, which is reassuring in a way.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 11-25-16 2:43 PM
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a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wenceslas_Hollar_-_Head_of_a_cat_(middle_size).jpg">another one that I like


Posted by: lw | Link to this comment | 11-25-16 3:14 PM
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another one that I like , this time after previewing the post


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 11-25-16 3:15 PM
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2: Size queen.


Posted by: apostropher | Link to this comment | 11-25-16 3:15 PM
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Yeah, the left foot is way too far forward given the angle the left leg is bent at. It's like her left foot is two feet long or something. And the fingers on her right hand look very weird as well. And the angles of the shadows on the wall and floor don't match the lighting... She should have tried drawing from a photo. And, yes, I only see one ghost on the wall behind her.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 11-25-16 4:53 PM
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Fond of this one. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portrait_of_the_Duke_of_Wellington
I like the way he's caught the exhaustion....


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 11-25-16 4:57 PM
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12.last should of course be "I don't even see spectral lesbians".


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 11-25-16 5:36 PM
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Ah but if it weren't for spectral lesbians, ajay, I'd have none at all.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 11-25-16 5:42 PM
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The linked page is copyright 2023 for some reason.


Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 11-25-16 5:53 PM
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Huh. Only Disney is supposed to be able to do that.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-25-16 6:06 PM
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A spectral lesbian is a natural generalization of an eigenlesbian.


Posted by: dalriata | Link to this comment | 11-25-16 6:22 PM
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18: how does one compute the dot product of two lesbians?


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 11-25-16 6:38 PM
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I think photos of paintings have their own copyright in some jurisdictions. Sadly, we no longer have in-house IP counsel.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 11-25-16 6:39 PM
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Hmm. Alison Bechdel is the second person that I have learned in recent weeks I have been erroneously assuming, based on their work, to be a Bay area person. The other was Sun Ra.


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 11-25-16 7:18 PM
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Ah but if it weren't for spectral lesbians, ajay, I'd have none at all.

I'd listen to this cover of "Born Under a Bad Sign".


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 11-25-16 8:24 PM
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19: I can't tell if the obvious answer belongs on standpipe's blog or not.


Posted by: heebie | Link to this comment | 11-25-16 8:38 PM
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I thought it was hetero sex that yields an inner product.


Posted by: One of Many | Link to this comment | 11-25-16 10:01 PM
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Not to be confused with Rosa Klebb, a SPECTRE lesbian.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 11-26-16 2:11 AM
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5 is good, though I'm partial to Goya's treatment of the entire royal family. I particularly like the part with the Goya self-portrait standing in the shadows of the background of that painting, with a look on his face that says "these fucking people."


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 11-26-16 11:28 AM
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In my little work-y area of our kitchen, I have postcards of http://c300221.r21.cf1.rackcdn.com/lucian-freud-girl-with-beret-1371356578_b.jpg - because my youngest loves Freud and I think it vaguely reminded me of her at the time, although I'm not sure I still love it enough to have it on my wall - and https://www.nationalgallery.org.uk/paintings/jean-auguste-dominique-ingres-monsieur-de-norvins - I just love his expression.

The youngest previously mentioned has http://i.huffpost.com/gen/493802/thumbs/o-152-PORTRAIT-OF-THE-HOUND-570.jpg?7 on her bedroom wall, which her friends all used to think was gross, but now they're all sophisticated 13 & 14 year olds, they claim to like it.


Posted by: asilon | Link to this comment | 11-26-16 11:53 AM
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5. And yet the only serious attempt at a portrait of c.18 servants that I can think of (apart from black and Indian servants who were clearly treated as exotics) manages to be a lot more flattering than Goya's queen.

That said, I think I love everything Goya ever painted or drew.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 11-26-16 12:16 PM
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Goya makes good beans.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-26-16 12:20 PM
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I also get a kick out of Titian's allegoric painting about wanking off portrait of Venus and the organist.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 11-26-16 1:46 PM
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I think we ought to have a London meetup before Christmas


Posted by: NW | Link to this comment | 11-26-16 2:38 PM
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Even if you want to be sure to get one in before humanity dies in a nuclear fire, I would think you'd still have a couple of weeks in January available.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-26-16 3:18 PM
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26: Ha, she looks just the same! And from looks passed the would-have-a-drink-with-her hurdle for sure. (Now wondering about online dating with portraits instead of photos, which could hardly be worse.)


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 11-26-16 4:32 PM
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31: lourdes and I and the kid will be in London 12/26 - 12/29 or so, if anyone will be around. We'll also be in Dublin 12/19 through Christmas. Maybe I can buy emir a pint as thanks for her friendly advice for my sister, possibly with the sister.


Posted by: lurid keyaki | Link to this comment | 11-26-16 4:52 PM
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I have a catalogue-esque book from the V&A re their portrait miniature collection that is one of my favorite books, both for the marvelous portraits and for the excellent descriptions of the kit. Basically a collection of bits and bobs from the little bodies of the wind in the willows headliners.


Posted by: dairy queen | Link to this comment | 11-26-16 5:29 PM
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33: Henry VIII thought that about Anne of Cleves and was seriously disappointed.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 11-26-16 5:45 PM
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36: You think better selfies would have saved him? I may not have the distance to evaluate but it hardly seems worse.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 11-26-16 6:35 PM
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34: D'oh, we're going to be in Dublin but with no overlap, 12/4 through 12/12.


Posted by: dalriata | Link to this comment | 11-26-16 6:59 PM
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I love Diego Velazquez's Portrait of the Jester Calabazas and Thomas Lawrence's Pinkie, both of which have interesting backstories that you can find in their descriptions.


Posted by: | Link to this comment | 11-26-16 9:56 PM
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39 was I.


Posted by: Stranded in Lubbock | Link to this comment | 11-26-16 9:57 PM
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At the lamprey barber shop, every kid gets a sucker.


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 11-27-16 2:55 AM
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Googling for a Whistler sketch I remember admiring in Glasgow, once, I came across:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valerie,_Lady_Meux

Because there's a couple of famous Whistler portraits of her.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/67/39/0e/67390eb1d1dc4fc4d08ed722ca2771e1.jpg

"Never accepted by her husband's family or by polite society, she was a flamboyant and controversial figure, who was given to driving herself around London in a high phaeton, drawn by a pair of zebras."

And also, even better:

"She is believed to have met Sir Henry at the Casino de Venise in Holburn, where she worked as a banjo-playing barmaid and prostitute under the name Val Reece."


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 11-27-16 3:34 AM
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Aw, the link in 8 was great, thanks for posting that Thorn. I used to read Dykes when I was in college, now Im having a nostalgia attack.

I don't like how all the characters have little lines under their eyes to indicate aging... I must have them too.


Posted by: Swope FM | Link to this comment | 11-27-16 4:47 AM
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Something positive about gender? Trolling about anime. Yuri on Ice is a current popular anime about a romance between male figure skaters. Available for free streaming on Crunchyroll

Spoilers Yuri on Ice Ep8 Discussion I found the politics here new to me, and interesting. Sorry for the length, but a link wouldn't be followed and the particular discussion below important. Many things are not covered below, our heroes have a "feminine" skating style contrasted with the Russian "masculine" style...guess which wins.

Dansedansemacabre

Johnny Weir retweeted/reblogged that Victor costume!!

There are actually a lot of professional skaters watching/tweeting about Yuri on Ice; Evgenia Medvedeva has been posting her reacts to each episode and it honestly makes my day when she does. That girl is one of us.

This anime has been both incredibly genre savvy and incredibly good about flipping those same genre expectations on their heads. Mitsurou Kubo (show writer) has said that she very deliberately wanted to write a healthy relationship where gender isn't important. So we didn't get a traditional BL gay panic scene, or family and friends who are anything less than incredibly supportive, and all the conflict in the show has been important interpersonal stuff necessary for character development, or about skating. And all that is what makes me love this show so so much.

At the same time, YoI is crazy well researched (Sayo Yamamoto is god tier skating otaku) and I find it near-impossible to believe that she wouldn't be aware of the discourse around LGBT athletes, particularly ice skaters in Russia, regardless of the way Japan views sexual identity. You could choose to divorce any other show nominally set in the real world from its context, but Yamamoto chose to make an anime about this relationship, in this sport, at this time - with an OP called 'History Maker' and commentators in the show saying "love wins". She chose to make the main relationship Japanese/Russian interracial and set their first kiss in China, all three countries with less than optimal laws for LGBT rights.

Is it deliberately political? Probably not! But is it all coincidence? I don't think it is, but it'll probably never be confirmed, and I don't expect it to be. I'm just saying they'd do their best to make the show realistic, and the context is a part of that. YoI has been quietly groundbreaking on so many fronts already, what's another to add to the list?

lestr4wberry

One thing to consider is that the attitude of Russian politicians and less educated public is not necessarily the same as the attitudes of all Russian citizens.
Evgeni Plushenko openly said that he thinks that the anti-gay laws are silly, , Anna Pogorilaya not only voiced her disapproval but even had an EX program to Conchita's "Rise like a Phoenix" (switching clothes from manly to feminine during the program), Evgenia Medvedeva is openly shipping Victuri on her Twitter, some Russian skaters participated in a party organized for Johnny Weir and his husbands' anniversary during a show in Japan. None of those skaters suffered any backlash from the government.
I don't think the anti-LGBT folks in Russia would be very likely to even acknowledge Victor's relationship with Yuuri... IRL a lot of anti-gay propaganda (especially around Sochi) claimed that it's impossible for LGBT athletes to exist (as "gayness" is an illness that renders people too mentally and physically weak to succeed in sports). By attacking Victor, not only would they lose their cash cow and national hero, but would punch a hole in their own narrative.

[-]Maiden_Sunshine 14 points 3 days ago

I don't know why the simple and beautiful affection in this show makes me want to blush as well. I buried my face in my hands at Yuuri's kiss. This show is going to kill me.
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Notes: As to a sociology of r/anime, there are a lot of lurkers, and shows of specific appeal will draw slightly different commenters. However, r/anime remains 80% young het male and any comment quantities above 100 generally show widespread interest. The 500 here show a successful show. Smash Hits go over a 1000.
You can read all the comments if you want to look at reception.

2) This is still late-night niche anime, not at all mainstream or primetime, and in no way indicates a gay-positive Japan, just a segment of Japan. YoI is also new and remarkable for its gay positivity; anime is not so great historically, trans people as sources of humour, for instance. OTOH, trans and cross-dressers do get minor and active parts on many series, as fighters with interior lives, funny and poignant, and have for decades. I have no idea about what is on America tv anymore. Maybe the Avengers or Walking Dead have out gay couples and trans superheroes!

3) For all the various reasons, Japanese cultures and subcultures have contingent and particular attitudes toward gender which are very complicated.

Delete if you find this or me too monstrous and horrific to bear. I'll understand.

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Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 11-27-16 5:23 AM
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I hope you won't find me too monstrous and horrifying if I decide, prejudicially, that anime about ice-skaters cannot possibly be the best use of my time.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 11-27-16 5:56 AM
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45 Really? Because I'm thinking it might be just the thing to take my mind off the horror show that's unfolding before us.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 11-27-16 5:59 AM
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Good point. But I have entire channels of ridiculous wuxia movies for that.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 11-27-16 6:09 AM
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Anyway, how are you, Barry?


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 11-27-16 6:25 AM
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43.2: I thought it was just that they hadn't been sleeping! But you're probably right both about what it is and that it doesn't need to be a spark for introspection. Denial works fine.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 11-27-16 6:44 AM
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48 Downpour here in Arrakis. My apartment is flooded. Ugh.They really can't build for shit here.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 11-27-16 6:50 AM
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The whole "never a single drop of rain" thing gave them false confidence.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-27-16 6:51 AM
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At least it's localized in one corner of the kitchen but it's pretty bad and gross.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 11-27-16 6:51 AM
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It's an upside down world, Moby.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 11-27-16 6:52 AM
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All older Hong Kong movies seem to be on Youtube. Though for some reason I'm coping by finally watching Breaking Bad.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 11-27-16 7:07 AM
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If Breaking Bad were about wandering martial artists in a mythical ancient China I might get around to watching the seasons that I have received as gifts in iTunes. As it stands, the Flippanter Line still largely holds against prestige-television-that-Whitey-likes-to-write-hot-takes-about.


Posted by: Flippanter | Link to this comment | 11-27-16 7:34 AM
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entire channels of ridiculous wuxia movies for that.
So jealous. When I was in that part of the world, all I had was entire channels of ridiculous WW2 melodramas.


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 11-27-16 8:11 AM
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Are there other kinds of prestige television, Flip?


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 11-27-16 8:11 AM
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Digimon?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-27-16 8:21 AM
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Speaking of Russian ice skating, some Holocaust-themed Skating from the wife of a Putin ally.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 11-27-16 8:23 AM
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34: Damn, I'll be in France then.


Posted by: Ume | Link to this comment | 11-27-16 8:50 AM
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56: I have those too!


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 11-27-16 9:04 AM
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Good luck Barry!


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 11-27-16 9:04 AM
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Thanks, done cleaning up for the night. Will have to hit it again tomorrow and get some cleaning supplies, maybe have a ceiling tile in the kitchen replaced by maintenance. Sorry to rain (no pun intended) negativity on the something positive thread. I have paintings to add but I'm spent.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 11-27-16 9:34 AM
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Ugh, Barry, no need to apologize. Even reading about that kind of pain and annoyance is a break from the usual kind.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 11-27-16 12:57 PM
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54ff: Oh hey, The Flash is pretty good and wholesome. Stranger Things is clever and scary. Walking Dead is thoroughly disgusting, but my daughters love it, and I lack the parental power to deny it to them.


Posted by: Jesus McQueen | Link to this comment | 11-27-16 1:45 PM
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I am up for pints! Pity you're not all around at the same time. I think I have figured out your crazy NorAm date system, I just have to check my own dates. Through extreme stupidity I have ridiculously overscheduled my free time, as follows:
(i) On most Saturday mornings (sometimes into the early afternoon) I have lectures and/or workshops for a fairly heavy duty diploma type course which will make me a member of the Society of Trusts and Estates Practitioners. Lots of tax stuff which I kind of enjoy but occasionally gives me pangs of conscience. I have been waiting for a couple of years for this course to come around again. Fortunately a decent chunk of it is stuff I know or sort of know but am out of date in.
(ii) I have also been meaning for years to get a recognised navigation theory qualification so I signed up for a shorebased RYA Yachtmaster/Coastal Skipper course. That's on Wednesday nights for about two hours. My mentality was "the diploma is for work and because I should but this is for me!". Luckily it's not all new either, I have a good basis already from years of bits here and there.
(iii) I foolishly signed up for a six week class in sean-nós singing which is taught by the friend of a friend, on the basis that singing with other people brings me joy. That's on Tuesdays and although I do like it I am already looking forward to it coming to an end. This week I missed both this and the navigation class for family/funeral reasons (elderly uncle, 85 and wasn't in great health, slightly minor celebrity in Ireland - the president was at the funeral)
(iv) I also have a weekly Pilates class on Monday evenings which is vital in keeping me reasonably pain free and one Thursday evening a month I volunteer at a free legal advice clinic.
This is all insane obviously and completely my own fault. As a result my diet has never been less healthy as I am just grabbing whatever is quick and handy.


Posted by: emir | Link to this comment | 11-27-16 5:52 PM
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Live studiously, die old, and leave a well-certified corpse.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-27-16 7:18 PM
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"Don't pay the ferryman. Don't even fix a price. Don't pay the ferryman. Until he gets RCA Yachtmaster certified."


Posted by: Opinionated Chris De Burgh | Link to this comment | 11-27-16 7:55 PM
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It makes sense not to pay, but if there isn't even a price set, why would the ferryman even go across?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-27-16 8:13 PM
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It's not talking to yourself if you put "opinionated" before some of the comments.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 11-27-16 8:14 PM
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I have a feeling opinionated grandma talks to herself a lot.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 11-27-16 8:22 PM
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Alistair Adams' portrait of Tony Blair is sensational:

http://www.npg.org.uk/collections/search/portrait/mw210898/Tony-Blair

The link doesn't do it justice, because it is well over life size and Blair seems to loom out of the canvas into the hall of the NPG. It always horrifies me whenever I go.


Posted by: Alex | Link to this comment | 11-28-16 4:33 AM
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Gaaahhh!!!


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 11-28-16 5:09 AM
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73: https://youtu.be/COZPAa817xY?t=2m22s


Posted by: Alex | Link to this comment | 11-28-16 5:59 AM
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72 is nicely done and sort of both subtle and not subtle. It does seem like it would be terrifying. Four feet by three feet of Tony Blair's face is the stuff of nightmares even without the clammy coloring and gruesome detail.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 11-28-16 7:05 AM
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Lourdes/Lurid I would be up for a meet in the days between xmas and the new year. 27th I think I am in the office and free in the evening.


Posted by: NW | Link to this comment | 11-28-16 1:40 PM
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Oh fucketa fucking queep; i find myself in student accommodation with thin walls and someone playing young people's music in the next room, punctuated by drug crazed giggles. I WANT TO SLEEP

At supper a theology lecturer said to me that they would happily pay to read the Guardian on line but hated the way the paper could track what they read, so that if they looked at some "slightly scandalous" picture or story on the ste, someone (other than god) would know that they had done so. So, would buy a sub in exchange for anonymity. I considered this novel addition to our demographic segmentation and then suggested he use Tor.


Posted by: transparently pseudonymous | Link to this comment | 11-28-16 1:46 PM
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Great
[url=http://sysacad.in]best linux training institute in chennai[/url]


Posted by: sysacad | Link to this comment | 11-28-16 11:26 PM
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best linux training institute in chennai


Posted by: sysadmin | Link to this comment | 11-28-16 11:28 PM
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The Guardian has "slightly scandalous" material? ??


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 11-29-16 1:02 AM
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Hey teo have you ever been here? https://mobile.twitter.com/portolanchart01/status/803507788362240000


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 11-29-16 1:17 AM
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79 It may be the best Linux training institute in Chennai but that's still a long 6 hour drive from Bangalore and its famed independent escorts. I need my blog comment spam to fulfill all of my one stop shopping in India needs.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 11-29-16 1:33 AM
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72. Jaysus!


Posted by: md 20/400 | Link to this comment | 11-29-16 1:42 AM
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80: You learn something every day in this job.


Posted by: NW | Link to this comment | 11-29-16 4:30 AM
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84: I haven't looked at the Guardian site in a while; I am wondering if they have gone to a Daily Mail-style Sidebar of Shame.
"You won't BELIEVE what happened to Tim Dowling's washing machine this morning!"


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 11-29-16 4:45 AM
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81: No, but now I wish I'd gotten the chance. I've only been to Juneau a couple of times, for work without much free time to explore.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 11-29-16 6:29 PM
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