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Also the head oof the Border Patrol


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 01-26-17 12:23 PM
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I had the feeling that something like this was true. I was reading a comment board a couple of days ago where someone was talking about phone banking, and the only person they reached was also phone banking. Facebook offers an unparalleled ability to target specific voters, and I never heard anything about the Clinton administration attempting it.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 01-26-17 12:24 PM
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Time for my usual call for the death of all social media.


Posted by: AcademicLurker | Link to this comment | 01-26-17 12:35 PM
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The speed of these firings or resignations fills me with dread. We can't count on Trump's incompetence and laziness; there are clearly some focused people (Bannon?) with fairly specific, simple goals working in the administration.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 01-26-17 12:38 PM
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Time for my usual call for the death of all social media.

I am torn between my general impression that facebook was a malign force in the last election and thinking that most stories about "the one weird trick that determined the election" are probably false.

It sounds plausible, and maybe that did give Trump a significant boost, but it also seems plausible that "victory has a thousand fathers" and this is somebody just wanting to take credit, regardless of the significance of their contributions.


Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 01-26-17 12:41 PM
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Mostly I do blame Comey.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 01-26-17 12:43 PM
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5: I don't want twitter and Facebook dead just because of their role in the election (although I think it's no accident that Trump is the twitter president), I want them dead because I think they've been a shitty influence on society in general.


Posted by: AcademicLurker | Link to this comment | 01-26-17 12:43 PM
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Looks like the border patrol guy was done in by the agents' union. Also looks like the State Dept story is a little overblown: those people are gone, but it's just a small corner of the org chart.

I'm sure, though, that a whole lot of folks in senior govt positions are going to go. Why on earth would anyone have expected otherwise? The point of Trumpism is to defeat and destroy everyone who thinks he/she is smarter than Trump.

I hope the rogue Park Service employees understand that the NSA knows who they are, and that Trump is not going to leave them alone. They's better not have unpaid income taxes, child support, or parking tickets.

We all knew what the stakes were. And here we are.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 01-26-17 12:46 PM
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More on State: https://twitter.com/EmilyGorcenski/status/824695356436815872

Bigger deal than I suggested in 8,


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 01-26-17 12:52 PM
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I blame Obama for not shutting down the email investigation years ago, or ever letting it happen in the first place. Republicans are not going to make the same mistake.


Posted by: Asteele | Link to this comment | 01-26-17 12:55 PM
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9: I wouldn't claim that there are no upsides to social media, I'm just convinced that the negatives vastly outweighs the positives.


Posted by: AcademicLurker | Link to this comment | 01-26-17 12:55 PM
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I wish all these appointees had abstained from the resignation letter tradition.
5 seems right. The political junkie fallacy when, to good approximation, all anyone heard was EMAILS.


Posted by: Eggplant | Link to this comment | 01-26-17 12:56 PM
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The victory was so small that a thousand fathers can claim to have provided the margin of victory and be right.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 01-26-17 1:01 PM
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Like Freddy Krueger, Trump was fathered by a thousand maniacs.


Posted by: politicalfootball | Link to this comment | 01-26-17 1:39 PM
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I also haven't seen any direct evidence that the Trump campaign was mysteriously competent. This is terrifying, if it's true, but my initial reaction is that the whole thing is a loony fantasy.

For one thing, turnout for Clinton wasn't surprisingly low among specific groups who you'd expect to vote for her. She lost white people by slightly more than you'd expect. Possibly she was headed for a real landslide powered by voters of color, and these tactics knocked it back to where the electoral college could flip it, but I don't see any good reason to believe that.


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 01-26-17 1:53 PM
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In the Miami neighborhood of Little Haiti, Cambridge Analytica regaled residents with messages about the failures of the Clinton Foundation after the 2010 earthquake in Haiti

Cambridge Analytica provides subscription-based services to libraries across the country. It would be a shame if librarians decided to stop renewing their subscriptions.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 01-26-17 3:27 PM
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Further to 10: https://twitter.com/shebacrocker/status/824669216120967169

Called Feinstein's office today re her reported wavering in favor of a Yes vote on sessions (ALL CALIFORNIANS NEED TO CALL HER!!!), was nearly in tears talking to staffer about danger to refugee, undocumented and minority mock trial students & their families, managed to regain smidgen of composure by burying self in work then got a link*din update from former student now at a UC that he is working at an after school program that looks about as sweet and lovely as the best pie ever and was once more plunged into despair.


Posted by: dairy queen | Link to this comment | 01-26-17 3:28 PM
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I guess I'm biased to believe it because the idea of microtargeting via Facebook ads occurred to me independently a couple of days ago. I was wondering if I could run "Josh Chaffetz fucks walruses" ads in his district.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 01-26-17 3:29 PM
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I'd like to subscribe to your propaganda effort.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-26-17 3:35 PM
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Cambridge Analytica provides subscription-based services to libraries across the country.

Ha! Cancel that, I was thinking of Oxford Analytica.

Cambridge Analytica's focus seems to be on assembling a massive database about the American people. Steve Bannon is on the board.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 01-26-17 4:20 PM
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We can't count on Trump's incompetence and laziness; there are clearly some focused people (Bannon?) with fairly specific, simple goals working in the administration.

It seems like Bannon's calling the shots so far. He was apparently behind that spate of executive orders that don't really make sense and that neither Congressional Republicans nor Trump's own Cabinet appointees seem to have been told about in advance.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 01-26-17 4:26 PM
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10: Whats interesting about the resignations is that they all came from the Office of Management. These aren't substantive or policy positions, but rather the ones charges with making sure the day to day business of providing support to the massive network of embassies and various other entities around the world. That's a part of the business where you can't really afford to lose people who know how to get things done. This will have a negative impact on things like - to take two random examples - embassy security and modernization of the email system.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 01-26-17 4:30 PM
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David Cameron's 2015 campaign, the Breferendum Leave campaign, and the Trump campaign all chose to put the large majority of their digital spending into Facebook ads. There's a reason, after all, why Facebook's ads business is doing so damn well.

Also I remember going to a Blue State Digital UK training where we were briefed that one of the best things about Facebook was the built-in ad targeting tool (this was 2012ish), even if you weren't planning to buy any actual ads.


Posted by: Alex | Link to this comment | 01-26-17 4:51 PM
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But who pays attention to Facebook ads? It seems like their message would be overwhelmed by the general content of the feed.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 01-26-17 5:02 PM
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In other words, I think Trumps deal with Sinclair Media to broadcast his unfiltered propaganda to key media markets throughout the midwest probably had a bigger impact.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 01-26-17 5:03 PM
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Sinclair Media needs to get fucked up.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 01-26-17 5:06 PM
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If I recall correctly Joseph de Maistre had something to say about all of this.


Posted by: soup biscuit | Link to this comment | 01-26-17 6:00 PM
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Also, H. L. Mencken.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-26-17 6:26 PM
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The thought occurred to me when reading the stories about the farmers saying that leaving the TPP will cost them money or the railroad that makes most of its income shipping good to and from Mexico while donating to Republican campaigns.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-26-17 6:28 PM
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Just wait until Zuck runs for office.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 01-26-17 6:37 PM
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I'm disposed to believe it because I've seen the conservatives in the U.K. do something similiar. It also seems as if the right are generally more inclined to adopt the latest marketing techniques (with one or two exceptions). See also the use of 'Take Back Control' used by the Leave campaign.


Posted by: chris s | Link to this comment | 01-27-17 12:28 AM
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31 And now with the norm of divesting from business dealings that are an obvious conflict of interest broken that'll really be something.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 01-27-17 1:21 AM
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And now with the norm of divesting from business dealings that are an obvious conflict of interest broken

No kidding. That is a thing that worked for a very long time, and which Trump has broken and which will not only enable his corruption, but those of future Presidents as well. Nice job, Shithead!


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 01-27-17 4:31 AM
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15 direct evidence that the Trump campaign was mysteriously competent Cambridge Analytica was with Ted Cruz before Trump.


Posted by: Econolicious | Link to this comment | 01-27-17 6:33 AM
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Is there really a lot of new info in the OP link? Bloomberg had the main threads, it seems, in this pre-election piece


Posted by: Ginger Yellow | Link to this comment | 01-27-17 8:35 AM
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I think I heard about it before the election, and I assumed it was bullshit because Trump was obviously going to lose. Now that I know anything is possible, including Nazi druids riding Segways, I must reconsider.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 01-27-17 8:42 AM
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If Guderian had a division mounted on Segways, he'd have taken the Soviet Union.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-27-17 8:49 AM
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The Red Army would have collapsed laughing and been unable to resist.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 01-27-17 8:51 AM
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30: Before the election I read someone talking about the possibility (in the context of discussing the age limit on the presidency, but still). At the time I thought it was ridiculous. Now, eh, if he runs in 2020 he won't be the worst candidate on the ballot.


Posted by: Cyrus | Link to this comment | 01-27-17 9:03 AM
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My boyfriend has to work for the state department in 8 months. Is this terrible, or is there a chance to do good from within?


Posted by: Buttercup | Link to this comment | 01-27-17 10:03 AM
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39 Contract work?


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 01-27-17 10:04 AM
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If 41 is addressed to me, it's the stipulations of a fellowship. I think he has to work for the state department for 2 years?


Posted by: Buttercup | Link to this comment | 01-27-17 10:08 AM
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He'll be low down on the totem pole. Not much chance to effectively obstruct I'd guess but a good chance to gauge how career staff feel about our ongoing horrorshow.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 01-27-17 10:14 AM
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Given the hiring freeze, I wouldn't count on it being possible, let alone terrible.


Posted by: Ginger Yellow | Link to this comment | 01-27-17 10:24 AM
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Yeah, it'll be interesting to see how that works. He's being funded by the state dept right now so I'd imagine they'd like to get their half of the bargain, but clearly what state department professionals want and what the Trump admin wants aren't the same thing.


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Which side is one on in this? Or do we just get the popcorn on?

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Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 01-27-17 10:52 AM
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40-45: In the State Department's basement, nothing is different so far. Eight months from now, doing something fellowship-related, who knows.

Personally I'd probably take it on resume-building principles. As depressing as working in this DoS might get, the current administration is likely to neuter and cripple it, but probably not actually change it from benign to malign.


Posted by: Bernie Sanders | Link to this comment | 01-27-17 11:19 AM
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Dang, there are some nasty fires going on in Chile. 1000+ buildings destroyed.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 01-27-17 7:37 PM
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OT: I have scotch, but it's way too peaty. I feel it would be churlish to complain to my sister about this even though she bought it.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-27-17 9:27 PM
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NMM to John Hurt.

Not even when he's prancing around in gold lamé brassiere and booty shorts.

Such a talented actor, my god.

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Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 01-27-17 11:04 PM
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50: Fuck, that one hurts. So many great performances.
An actor that could sell a movie to me. My fucking God, so many achievements, large and small. Besides the obvious (Man for All Seasons, Midnight Express, Alien, Crisp, Caligula, Merrick, Raskolnikov, 1984, Scandal, Rob Roy), back before it was cool, Hurt would work in indies. The fucking best actor of his generation.

Sinful Davey, Cry of the Penguins, The Hit

Especially recommend a tiny movie, just a gentle character study, about an older British man who gets an obsession with a young straight American male actor (Jason Priestley) Love and Death on Long Island

This one makes me cry.

PS: Grew up disliking MTM. I know she played with and off it because it was what she was, but I always thought she was the quintessential early 60s "good girl."


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 01-28-17 9:28 AM
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Found a quote from Love and Death

Giles De'Ath: In Europe, it is often the case that a... a young man benefits from the... the wisdom and the experience of an elder. Why, there's almost a tradition of such friendships. Cocteau and Radiguet. Uh, Verlaine, Rimbaud.

Ronnie Bostock: [mistaking the pronunciation of "Rimbaud"] Rambo?

Yeah, it's playing off Lolita and Death and Venice and many other things, but in a very humorous warm, nostalgic, kind way. And playing with continental vs American culture, without really dissing either.

I loved John Hurt. I am so grateful to him.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 01-28-17 9:42 AM
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Such an amazing wide-ranging filmography. I regret never having seen him on the stage.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 01-28-17 9:43 AM
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There's no proof that John Hurt wasn't the person who broke into my car and stole my golf clubs back in 1996.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-28-17 10:25 AM
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Green Card Holders getting barred from entering the U.S. is seriously Banana Republic stuff. Terrifying.


Posted by: Bostoniangirl | Link to this comment | 01-28-17 2:45 PM
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"There is a Syrian refugee arriving in Dulles Airport today on a J2 visa. Anyone know a DC lawyer who can help?" anyone know a D.C. area lawyer that can help with J1 visa issues?


Posted by: Turgid Jacobian | Link to this comment | 01-28-17 3:33 PM
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"Terrifying"

Last reading in the Routledge Neoliberal book went over NAFTA. At the same time commercial barriers were left border agents were increased etc.

Part of the point was to be sure Mexicans with jobs in Mexico, money, status, solid IDs could cross at will to go to sporting events in San Diego and shop at malls in San Ysidro while ensuring that the poor, unemployed, marginal Mexicans would be kept out. In other words, the previous border regimes were all about class, not race. Let desirables in, keep deplorables out.

Now that the cosmopolitan credentialled meritocratic high-skilled types are also being excluded it is "terrifying."

But I doubt that all refugees or immigrants were welcomed before Trump, and I wonder if the very rich tourists and business people are being excluded.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 01-28-17 3:42 PM
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Great Emblematic Picture I was pointed to today.

The twenty foot fence with the refugees (sub-saharan blacks in this case) trapped on top
and the Golf Course with the players is an Spanish enclave on the edge of Morocco.

Wendy Brown, Walled States, Waning Sovereignty is good.

Neoliberalization is in part about the forced geographical separation of peoples according to classes (including educational attainment), at all sorts of scales, including Iowa and San Francisco, Dallas and rural Texas, etc. Housing prices and gentrification is one of the mechanisms.


Posted by: bob mcmanus | Link to this comment | 01-28-17 3:56 PM
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You can donate to the ACLU here. I just gave them some money for staying on top of this. Seems like the most direct way to flip the bird to the nasty little orange fascist.


Posted by: togolosh | Link to this comment | 01-28-17 5:14 PM
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The scotch is still peaty, but it's growing on me. May try adding liquid smoke to vodka as a test.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-28-17 5:42 PM
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55: What the fuckity fucking fuck? I'm so pissed I can barely see straight. This is going to fuck up a lot of people's lives.


Posted by: togolosh | Link to this comment | 01-28-17 6:00 PM
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Now I feel that my moment of personal growth is petty.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-28-17 6:39 PM
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The good news is that the immigration order is perfectly set up for the Rohingya once the 120 days are up. They'll be on easy street.


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 01-28-17 7:01 PM
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A judge has issued a stay on Trump's executive order. Hooray!


Posted by: togolosh | Link to this comment | 01-28-17 7:42 PM
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Large protest crowd at JFK.
In retrospect I'm so glad that we started the day after the inauguration with the massive protests of the Women's Marches. It sets the template and the tempo for what we need going forward.
I'm thinking of drawing up a budget for this year for orgs to give to: ACLU, CAIR, rebuilding of burned mosques funds, MSF at Sea and so on. Gonnna be a rough four years.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 01-28-17 7:59 PM
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I'm still focusing on the 2018 election. Nothing the ACLU does will last if something isn't done about who picks the judges.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-28-17 8:13 PM
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That and my adjustment to peat.


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The good news is that the immigration order is perfectly set up for the Rohingya once the 120 days are up. They'll be on easy street.

That occurred to me too. I wonder what'll happen when they start trying it.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 01-28-17 8:20 PM
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In retrospect I'm so glad that we started the day after the inauguration with the massive protests of the Women's Marches. It sets the template and the tempo for what we need going forward.

Agreed.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 01-28-17 8:21 PM
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66, 66, 66. Feel-good NGO giving treats symptoms, not causes.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 01-28-17 9:08 PM
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It's not an either-or. We need both.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 01-28-17 9:10 PM
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How do treats even have symptoms?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-28-17 9:14 PM
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Feel-good NGOs give them out, obviously.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 01-28-17 9:16 PM
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We need to mobilize pop stars to make a "Don't They Know it's Halloween?" song for Moby, stat.


Posted by: Thorn | Link to this comment | 01-28-17 9:29 PM
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Which reminds me, happy Year of the Rooster, reprobates.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 01-28-17 9:49 PM
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Do they celebrate White-People New Year there?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-28-17 10:00 PM
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Happy New Year, Mossy.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 01-28-17 10:04 PM
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76: Yes, and have a day off, and use the Gregorian calendar. But local New Year is the end-of-year holiday season.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 01-28-17 10:07 PM
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But do they all go to the Cracker Barrel for dinner or something?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-28-17 10:09 PM
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No, they have fireworks and white people have parties in the tourist districts. I don't understand why the locals track it at all. They also do Christmas (most of the trees are still up) but that's an excuse for buying bits of garbage and giving them to people, so it does at least make sense.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 01-28-17 10:14 PM
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As I'm sure you're all shocked to learn, I'm one of the anti-social assholes who hates Christmas.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 01-28-17 10:15 PM
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I keep trying to turn it back into a holiday with more religion and drink and far less consumption of things that aren't food or drink. But everybody else wants me to buy stuff.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-28-17 10:17 PM
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Even on the food, I think there's some overkill. Seven fishes isn't necessary if two of the fishes are shrimp and calamari.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-28-17 10:20 PM
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I am more than my tentacles.


Posted by: Opinionated Squid | Link to this comment | 01-28-17 10:22 PM
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Are you supposed to eat fish at Christmas? Is that a Catholic thing?


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 01-28-17 10:23 PM
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Not Christmas, but Christmas Eve. But the rule has been gone for longer than I've been alive.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-28-17 10:24 PM
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84: The not-tentacle part is what I usually eat.


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Obtaining fish, let alone seven fish, at midwinter seems a little demanding.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 01-28-17 10:26 PM
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I think it was more of a wealthy-Italian thing. My dad said they always ate oyster stew (canned oysters) on Christmas Eve.


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87: Turns out calamari is just Italian for squid, so whatever.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 01-28-17 10:29 PM
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88: Says the man who lives in the Tropics.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 01-28-17 10:29 PM
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The history of Papal succession suggests that Catholicism is in fact identical with wealthy Italians.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 01-28-17 10:30 PM
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Right, but you never seen just the head (which is what they call the part with the tentacles because science is a shithead) and I sometimes see just the foot (which is what they call the bag part).


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-28-17 10:31 PM
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Here in the Subarctic, people generally catch the fish in the summer then preserve them (either smoked or frozen) for the winter. We don't have a huge number of Catholics, though.


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I don't know if squid have a brain or if you eat it and don't notice because of the batter.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-28-17 10:32 PM
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92: Well, sometimes they emigrate to Argentina first.


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91: I, personally, dwell a whole 1°30'' outside the Tropics; whereas my ancestors dwelt for millennia upon the howling shores of the North Sea.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 01-28-17 10:34 PM
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All the Argentinians are Italian anyway.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 01-28-17 10:36 PM
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The ones that aren't Welsh, anyway.


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I think the Welsh were classified as fish by at least a couple of popes.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-28-17 10:39 PM
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Do you know what I would get if I were mossy? San Bei calamari. Shit is bomb and native to roc Island, though chicken is canonical. They call it "basil squid casserole" or "three cups squid" or any number of things here. God I want squid.


Posted by: foolishmortal | Link to this comment | 01-28-17 10:40 PM
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If I go for a walk I'll vicariously eat some squid for you, fm.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 01-28-17 10:42 PM
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97: Yeah, I wondered about that. But the Subtropics aren't exactly known for the oceans freezing up in the winter either.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 01-28-17 10:42 PM
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Me too, now. But midnight is a bit late.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 01-28-17 10:43 PM
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In contrast to the Subarctic, where I live, and where that totally does happen.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 01-28-17 10:44 PM
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Goodnight insomniacs and western time zones.


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105 to 103. I'm sure I could find some squid within walking distance if I were really committed to it, but I'm not.


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Good night, Moby.


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102: Thank you. Or some octopus noodle soup with sha-cha sauce, that would also work.


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Which reminds me, happy Year of the Rooster, reprobates.

Surely Unfogged house style would be "Year of the Cock"?


Posted by: Natilo Paennim | Link to this comment | 01-29-17 12:01 AM
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110 laydeez.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 01-29-17 12:27 AM
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Happy New Year Mossy!


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 01-29-17 12:28 AM
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110 is rapidly becoming apparent, independent of anyone's house style.


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And to you, Barry!


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90: North Sea trawlers definitely go out in midwinter, even in the most extraordinary conditions. Also there were fish farms in the middle ages: carp ponds etc.


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Sorry, meant 88.


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88. I believe the Czechs, and maybe other mitteleuropeans, eat carp for Christmas dinner.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 01-29-17 4:56 AM
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Article casting serious doubt on the OP:

http://littleatoms.com/news-science/donald-trump-didnt-win-election-through-facebook


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 01-31-17 3:09 AM
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Thanks for 118


Posted by: NW | Link to this comment | 01-31-17 4:44 AM
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re; 117

They do. On Christmas Eve. It's nice.

They are farmed:

http://www.fao.org/fishery/countrysector/naso_czechrepublic/en


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 01-31-17 4:56 AM
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