Re: Ship 'Em Out

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Not being able to take my laptop on international travel means not being able to do my job. Its not so much inconvenient as inviable.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 02-17-17 6:59 AM
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The whole business where you lose various legal rights once you're in an airport seems very strange indeed. But saying to everyone "this one guy got his phone searched so no one should travel with their phone" seems a massive over-reaction to a very small threat. You can't live your life taking extremely inconvenient security precautions to protect yourself from a thing that happened to one guy. The risk management mantra is avoid-transfer-mitigate-accept.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 02-17-17 7:06 AM
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Or you could sanitize your electronic devices so that when they look through them all they see is your Myspace account.


Posted by: togolosh | Link to this comment | 02-17-17 7:07 AM
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1 is correct. I'm working remotely, if I don't bring my stuff I either can't travel or I can't work.
One thing I guess I'll do it remove my password manager from the phone when crossing the border- since if they access that they have a list of every site and access to all of them. That also means I can't actually give them the passwords to my other accounts because I don't know them without the manager. To reinstall it requires 2FA which is also tied to the phone, I guess I can change it to their offline code-based 2FA so there's no way they could make me hand it over?
Or is 2 correct- I mean, I've said mean things about Trump here and elsewhere (I even tweeted at him once to make fun of him!) but honestly unless either 1) I were much more important than I am or 2) they really do start coming for all the Jews, I can't see any reason people would misleadingly use my public and private info to make some claim against me.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 02-17-17 7:18 AM
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You can't live your life taking extremely inconvenient security precautions to protect yourself from a thing that happened to one guy.

Tell that to the TSA.


Posted by: Ginger Yellow | Link to this comment | 02-17-17 7:35 AM
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I can't see any reason people would misleadingly use my public and private info to make some claim against me.

If it was "people," maybe it wouldn't be such a problem. Instead, algorithms will be combing your public social media accounts and if you fit a profile that's enough to recommend your for further screening.

Or maybe you will find yourself on a list that you don't know why you are on it and can't get off of. That's what they've done to me. Every time I return to the United States and go through the electronic kiosk, they mark my slip of paper with an X to make me go through the extra screening line. Its not super intrusive, but, you know, it could be. It certainly is unnerving.

I have no idea why I'm on their watch list... I put in a request for information through the Homeland Security website, and their response was entirely unhelpful.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 02-17-17 7:48 AM
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The post title is the answer to 1. The answer to 2 is that it's not one guy. People are focused on this case because the guy is a citizen and his phone was government issued and subject to security rules and CPB said "fuck you" anyway.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 02-17-17 8:06 AM
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7: OK, but that's not the argument the article's making. And you still have to be realistic about this.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 02-17-17 8:15 AM
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Also from the article:

It's only a matter of time before downloading the contents of people's phones becomes a standard procedure for entering every country. This already happens in Canada.

Pretty sure that is an out-and-out lie.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 02-17-17 8:17 AM
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I think his claim is very poorly worded. I think he means "This [copying the contents] already happens in Canada [and could become standard practice everywhere]." Rather than claiming that it's standard practice up there.

This is the best round-up I've read about how often this happens, and what happens when people resist.


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 02-17-17 8:25 AM
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2,8 -- You don't seem to appreciate a very recent change in US border law enforcement culture. We're destined for a period of severe overreaction, directed not only at brown people, but also at people who look like they think they are smarted than you. Like nearly everyone else here, I cannot do my job without my electronics intact. In addition, like many others, part of my job is not letting the government have certain information I obtain.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 02-17-17 8:30 AM
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Or you could sanitize your electronic devices so that when they look through them all they see is your Myspace account.

"We see you're connected to known terrorist sympathizer Tom."


Posted by: dalriata | Link to this comment | 02-17-17 8:45 AM
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11: OK, I admit I haven't crossed the US border in the last couple of months. And maybe there has been a recent change where lots and lots of people (not just this one guy) are getting their phones searched for no very good reason. And maybe you're right and soon it will be routine for everyone to have their phones searched as they cross the border. I wouldn't bet on it, that's all.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 02-17-17 8:46 AM
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"Hey hey, ho ho, Donald Trump has got to go spend time with his mother-in-law."

I'm currently spending time with my mother-in-law, who I very much like.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 02-17-17 9:08 AM
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WHO, WHOM?


Posted by: OPINIONATED LENIN | Link to this comment | 02-17-17 9:18 AM
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13 Oh, I don't think we'll get all the way to that any time soon. But we'd do better to have some sort of probable cause requirement put in well before we get there.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 02-17-17 9:19 AM
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I believe Donald Trump has met his mother in law about once.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 02-17-17 9:20 AM
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Clever of his mother in law.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 02-17-17 9:22 AM
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Not really on topic, but I figure an ogged post is the spot for this anecdote:

I was just reading about another departing Trump admin member. The sentence begins with his name, Shermichael Singleton. Now, in any other context, I'd pause and then read that as an African-American name, no problem. But since it's a Trumper, I was trying to picture a WASPy backstory for such an odd name. The punchline, of course, is the rest of the sentence: ", who was one of the few black conservatives in the Trump administration...."


Posted by: JRoth | Link to this comment | 02-17-17 12:40 PM
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There's probably at least one black liberal in the Trump administration. There's one of everything.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02-17-17 2:52 PM
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Not good enough for when the flood comes. He needs two of everything.


Posted by: Buttercup | Link to this comment | 02-17-17 3:09 PM
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That joke could be much more clever except I'm exhausted but hyped up on caffeine.


Posted by: Buttercup | Link to this comment | 02-17-17 3:10 PM
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Liberals can't reproduce unless their seed has passed through the digestive tract of a dodo bird. That's why the elections keep being lost.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02-17-17 3:12 PM
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The body of presidential appointees/nominees still stands at 34 people.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 02-17-17 9:44 PM
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One more resignation and the administration is Rolling Rock.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 02-17-17 9:46 PM
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