If you displayed this on a globe, you could have across twoies.
And twosies across are impossible?
By which you mean that it's impossible to [Be good at] [Something the world needs] without one of [Loving it] or [Possible to Be Paid For It]. And it's impossible to [Love something] that [You Can Be Paid For] without either [Being Good At It] or it being [Something The World Needs].
I think that's a reasonable claim.
Pission, Mocation, Vofession, and Prassion. Done.
Interesting. But why do those 4 particular locations get detailed descriptions? For example, if I'm in the "Satisfaction, but feeling of uselessness" part of the chart, if I move up a bit into the "Passion" sector, does that mean that I no longer feel useless?
Love+Paid for without being good or the world needing you: shitty plastic surgeon.
Good at + Needed without loving or being paid: caretaker for your aging, insufferable parents.
I question literally everything about this diagram.
Or better yet: Love+Paid for without being good or the world needing you: Any paid member of the Republican party.
Nice diagram, but I'm rolling my eyes at the extreme overthinking of ikigai, which is basically just "motivation for living, the reason I get up in the morning."
Including its suggestion that it's impossible to do (what you're good at, what the world needs) or (what you love, what you can be paid for). But especially the idea that it represents anything particularly Japanese.
Real four-set Venn diagrams illustrated.
Would have been better as a blogpost, but an investigation into the origin of this graphic. Should not surprise anyone to learn that it is not in fact how Japanese conceptualize the word ikigai.
12 is awesome, especially her own version of the Venn diagram.
12: I especially appreciated the reconceptualization of hanakuso on that thread.
6 are good examples, but mostly make me realize that there's ambiguity in the definition of [What the World Needs].
One could certainly argue that caretaking is something that is needed in the world -- even if caring for one person has a fairly localized effect. Alternately one can argue that plastic surgery is something that the world needs, in that it improves the lives of the people who receive it (I realize that you said "shitty" plastic surgeon but, hopefully, somebody who was unsuccessful in their surgery would eventually stop getting paid for it).
Does [What The World Needs] imply:
1) Something that improves the world on a societal level (either political or cultural contributions)
2) Something that has a clear benefit to [some number] of individuals.
3) Something which would satisfy some form of Categorical Imperative -- something which, if widely done, would lead to type (1) improvements even if an individual action has negligible weight.
(2) would have a large overlap with [Things People Are Willing to Pay For], which might feel too commercial, but excluding it also excludes a lot of value.
Agreed that the thread in 12 is much better than the OP.
3, 15: I think you're expending far too much thought on what is obviously a thoughtless product of sub-TED bullshit, especially given that the impossibility of the twosies-across is extraordinarily likely to be a direct fallout of the fact that approximately no one knows what a Venn diagram actually is what or what one that includes more than three sets might look like.
Nosflow's exhibiting pission but not ikigai.
Having never actually looked for larger Venn diagrams, this formulation of a 4-way one is very nice. Looks lotus-like.
I think you're expending far too much thought on what is obviously a thoughtless product of sub-TED bullshit
All true, but sometimes it's amusing to expend too much thought on bullshit, and I would have assumed unfogged was an appropriate venue.
And for that matter, N-sies should be the general terminology for referring to the regions in inclusion-exclusion problems.
Pretty cool piece about both Venn diagrams and Carroll diagrams for higher numbers of sets.
I would have assumed unfogged was an appropriate venue.
I suppose I can't argue with that.
I have used the four-set oval diagram at work, but the 5 and higher are too ugly to effectively communicate anything.
That one with a ninesie one is beautiful. Hard to grok at first, though.
This might be the place to note that I've been playing KAMI 2 and enjoying the heck out of it.
But the world doesn't need it and I'm guessing you aren't paid for it, so far as anyone knows.
But the world doesn't need it and I'm guessing you aren't paid for it
Which puts him squarely in the "Passion" sector of the chart. Assuming that he's any good at the game.
That thing where you pick a foreign word, and claim that the culture the word comes from uses it to encapsulate some fascinating philosophy, drives me nuts.
A million years ago, another lawyer at Debevoise and Plimpton knew I'd been in the PC in Samoa, and brought up some Orson Scott Card novel that referenced a Samoan philosophy of contentment and reconciliation with the universe as a whole, which paradoxically included an understanding that injustice beyond a certain point was not to be borne and should be resisted with every fiber of one's being, and could be summed up in one incredibly succinct two-word phrase, but he couldn't remember the phrase because he didn't speak Samoan.
And I was fascinated, because it didn't sound familiar at all, and I couldn't imagine what the phrase was. So I went to Barnes and Noble and flipped through the book. The phrase was "Ua lava" which is literally pretty close to "That's plenty" or "That's enough." And sure, in English you could use that phrase to mean either "I'm full, I don't need any more food" or "I am outraged and about to start punching people". But that doesn't mean it's a philosophy.
It sounds like you're experiencing what Americans call frustration. It's a whole thing with a diagram.
which is literally pretty close to "That's plenty" or "That's enough."
* The link isn't a response to your comment, which I agree with completely, just a SEK post that I was reminded of.
30: Yeah, that's pretty annoying, but shikata ga nai, y'know?
The phrase was "Ua lava" which is literally pretty close to "That's plenty" or "That's enough." And sure, in English you could use that phrase to mean either "I'm full, I don't need any more food" or "I am outraged and about to start punching people". But that doesn't mean it's a philosophy.
But maybe it could be! The whole "mindfulness" thing is going to be past its sell-by date soon, with a little work, you could be the guru of Ua lava.
Orson Scott Card already is! If you want to talk about writers whose bandwagon I do not want to jump on, he's pretty high on the list.
30: If you replace the original Venn diagram labels with [Indifference] [Poverty] [Sloth] and [Lack of ability] and stick Shikata ga nai in the middle, it works a whole lot better.
The whole "mindfulness" thing is going to be past its sell-by date soon
"Mindlessness" is the next big thing. I'm on it.
12 claims the Japanese have no word for "retirement". My culture had a unique and untranslatable phrase which encapsulates such claims AYE RIGHT.
39: I saw that, and my eyes rolled further back in my head than my teens' eyes when I suggest they might like to read a book. Though to bend over backwards to be fair, that quote was talking about Okinawans, and it's possible that there may not be a direct equivalent in Okinawan.
Real four-set Venn diagrams illustrated.
I'm still not sure whether this was a goatse link or not.
39: A source the tweeter cites for introduction of the term "ikigai" into English says that, yes.
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NMM to Comey as FBI Director.
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Comey lacks being good at, being paid for, and being needed as FBI Director.
But maybe he has a word for retirement.
The ancient Germans had a word, "sitzpinkler," that meant to void oneself with such joy that the resulting mess horrified those living with you to the point that they started a cultural movement.
I should have hit refresh, but I think that also works to Comey. Of course, now Trump gets to pick a replacement.
30: The correct English translation is "That'll do, pig."
13,14: The Hanakuso diagram was quite funny.
I think the ikigai diagram is much better read from outside-in than inside-out. I started with the latter and immediately thought, this is such a ridiculous bunch of bullshit. Then I got to the big outside categories and thought, well yeah, it IS interesting to think about how to solve for all four, even if that's basically what I've been doing every time I ever thought about career over my whole life.
It strikes me as a variant of what-if-I-won-the-lottery fantasising. Definitely fun, possibly a little useful as a tool for thinking about your priorities, but not nearly as meaningful as it feels while you're enjoying it.
Also, fuck Orson Scott Card, seriously.
The cat cafe narrowly passed. Nobody was able to talk about it without first disavowing that they were not the type of person who would go, and in fact they were repulsed by the idea. This may be unjustifiable, but I felt like there was a lot of sexism around the idea. There was a big crew of people who showed up to support it, but they were all not-hot-young-women in one way or another - brainy librarian types, older, whatever. It felt like everyone had to distance themselves from the notion that they were a cat lady and it got on my nerves. The one who pissed me off the most is the 50 year old Bro Frat Boy Developer, who approves absolutely anything, and felt like he couldn't support this because what if it failed, and the neighboring businesses were left with a vacant lot? a standard which he has never invoked before. If the entire thing had failed, I'd be furious.
Did the disclaiming ones make sure everyone knew they had dogs?
...what if it failed, and the neighboring businesses were left with a vacant lot?
You should say it back to him at everything he suggests approving in all future meetings.
I guess it just felt like a referendum on whether we should have a downtown establishment where frat boys can't easily get laid. Or a referendum on women who enjoy the company of cats.
Eventually nobody (except one) voted based on that. I'd be super mad if they had.
they were all not-hot-young-women in one way or another - brainy librarian types, older, whatever
But if they take off their glasses and let their hair down, they're actually hot, right?
56: Does that porn trope still work if neighboring businesses are soaked through and through with cat pee? That is the fear.
I thought cat pee was part of most porn these days.
I just had a thought. Is the cat cafe actually just the front for a brothel? That seems more probable.
Did the application look like they crossed out "cat house"and wrote in "cat cafe."
I was going to say the pee fetish thread was the other one, but on further reflection I'm not sure.
In Trump's America all threads are covered in pee.
The cat cafe thing is new to me and I love it. I love cats but haven't been able to have one for a long time, now mostly due to the amount of travel I do and how difficult it would be to have a cat sitter or to board it here. So I definitely would visit a cat cafe. But not a cat house, Moby.
Is the cat cafe actually just the front for a brothel? That seems more probable.
IIRC infection with toxoplasmosis does increase promiscuity. So there's good synergies there.
A cat pub does seem to be a much more appealling option than a cat cafe. Coffee makes me jumpy. Cats don't like me when I'm jumpy.
Cats don't like me when I'm jumpy.
The third individual Incredible Hulk movie was pretty specialized.
Comic book movies are just unwatchable any more. I blame the studios.
I know an excellent pub called the Fat Cat, but I don't think it has a resident feline at the moment.
The link in 69 does not illuminate the best part of the word hanakuso, that it comprises the words "nose" and "shit".
Then I got to the big outside categories and thought, well yeah, it IS interesting to think about how to solve for all four
Right? If by "interesting" you mean "likely to induce suicidal depression very quickly." I'm so glad you've all been clever enough to sidestep that substantive discussion.
If by "interesting" you mean "likely to induce suicidal depression very quickly."
That IS pretty close to what I meant: Interesting during that moment in late youth when you're not completely irresponsible or clueless, but hope for your future is still unclouded, and then the other occasional moments throughout the rest of your life when you're sufficiently distracted by transient happy events, that you *can* think about how to solve for all four without lapsing into suicidal depression very quickly, or when compelled by obsessive (metaphorical) scab-picking and can enjoy the interesting part on the way to the suicidal depression. I figured the qualifiers went without saying.
This is probably the right thread in which to post this review of Ivanka Trump's self-help book. Too many good pull quotes to choose from, but here's just a couple from the start:
Ivanka Trump has written a book about female empowerment, and it is about as feminist as a swastika-shaped bikini wax. That is its best quality.
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The worst thing is that this is not just a dross self-help book. Anyone can write a dross self-help book. Anyone could write this dross self-help book simply by searching the #wellness tag on Instagram and copy-pasting until they hit sixty-thousand words. The stores are full of such things, but few of them are actively fascist, unless you have a particularly rigorous attitude to the cult of self-help as a means of diverting the anxiety of the atomized individual from social change. No, this is a whole different class of charlatanery--a manifesto for aspirational capitalist self-actualization with the gall to call itself empowering, a prosperity gospel for post-Trump patriarchy chewed up and regurgitated as a set of smirking pull-quotes and suggested hashtags, like a sort of despotic Barney the Dinosaur, except with a duller colour scheme, all slimy socialite salmon and sterile beige.
76: Oh I know, and I was being overly glib. It's also genuinely interesting how, in my case, those four considerations all pull against each other with roughly equal force. I can't rank them 1-4.
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TFW when you embark on a line edit and the owner of a small literary magazine has re-edited the real editor's changes *without using revision marking*.
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Oh. Wait. I found them. Fucking Word.
The phrase was "Ua lava" which is literally pretty close to "That's plenty" or "That's enough." And sure, in English you could use that phrase to mean either "I'm full, I don't need any more food" or "I am outraged and about to start punching people".
Basta!
A cat pub does seem to be a much more appealling option than a cat cafe.
I'm sure there are plenty of cat pubs. The Seven Stars behind the RCJ used to be one.
But that's not a cat pub, it's just a pub with a cat. A cat pub should reliably have lots of cats.
Cronbach's alpha of greater than .9.
