Re: Will no one think of the US airline passengers?

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I assume it is not to far off-topic to mention the brand new Europe-US laptop ban.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 05-10-17 1:12 PM
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See also Puerto Rico.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 05-10-17 1:14 PM
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Related to comment one.


Posted by: nosflow | Link to this comment | 05-10-17 1:33 PM
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From here the poorest metropolitan French region or collective is Limousin at $32.3k euro/cap (2011), while French Guiana was $21.3. Considering that there's a practical lack of mobility between the areas--although it's probably more reasonable than a random USAian going to the Northern Marianas or American Samoa--maybe that's not too bad?


Posted by: dalriata | Link to this comment | 05-10-17 1:43 PM
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Let me mock myself "$32.3k euro/cap." Currency generalization fail.


Posted by: dalriata | Link to this comment | 05-10-17 1:43 PM
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This feels like a super-naive question, but what's different about Hawaii? Is it just the tourism?


Posted by: Micah | Link to this comment | 05-10-17 2:35 PM
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The pretext of the laptop ban is so flimsy you wonder if they're even trying. Laptops might be bombs! Let's put them in the hold, which is... bomb proof? No, you see, if it's a carry-on a terrorist could detonate it, but if it's in the hold there's no way for it to go off because laptops have neither wireless capabilities nor the super-advanced technology called "clock".


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 05-10-17 2:49 PM
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This is so stupid. Why the fuck are we banning laptops on flights from Europe but not domestic flights?


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 05-10-17 4:05 PM
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Also, we should be sure to refer to it as "Trump's airplane laptop ban" just to make sure everyone knows who to blame for it.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 05-10-17 4:06 PM
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6: Good question. Maybe? The colonization was a bit more active, too.


Posted by: dalriata | Link to this comment | 05-10-17 4:43 PM
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6: Good question. Maybe? The colonization was a bit more active, too.


Posted by: dalriata | Link to this comment | 05-10-17 4:43 PM
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8- The argument at least when it was only African airports was that their security isn't as good so they're more likely to miss a bomb disguised as a laptop. That's even less believable when you're claiming it about all European airports. Note also that it's only Europe to US, on US to Europe as well as domestic there's no restriction, because unlike European soft-on-terror furriners, the TSA is a well-oiled* machine.
At least most security theater is harmless** aside from wasting time, but here we see true innovation, because putting laptops with batteries that occasionally burst into flames actually might increase the risk of a plane going down, if you compare the likelihood of a hold fire (5 carry-on laptop or tablet battery fires in 2016) vs. a terrorist bombing (don't even remember when the last confirmed one was?) And as noted above, a bomb in the hold is worth a bomb in the cabin- at least give us a rationale for this that's more believable, like laptops could conceal knives or could play hypnotic videos that could let you mind-control the crew and have them crash the plane.
I mean, at this point terrorists have a totally effective low-effort way of causing havoc, just come up with a semi-plausible plot and post it on some jihadi message boards you know are being monitored. Psst, did you hear about how ISIS has designed clothing that is indistinguishable from regular but can be used to kill people? I better start exercising in anticipation of the upcoming clothing ban.

*Castor, presumably
**Aside from studies showing that making air travel more inconvenient leads to more driving which has a much higher fatality per passenger mile.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 05-10-17 5:13 PM
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Isn't the hold/cabin rationale the theory that in the cabin a bomb can be held directly against the wall of the aircraft, where even a small explosion might cause a catastrophic hole, whereas the same size of explosion in the hold would be contained by the surrounding cargo? I've seen speculation that it's based on this incident in Somalia, in which only the guy with the bomb was sucked out of the plane.


Posted by: Ume | Link to this comment | 05-10-17 5:35 PM
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Hawaii is full of Japanese people. They have a strong work ethic.


Posted by: Mossy Character | Link to this comment | 05-10-17 5:48 PM
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I had not heard that theory. I still prefer the threat of mind control videos.
Relatedly, are they going to reimplement tighter security at baggage claim? You can quite simply walk off with anyone's bag, which is usually pointless unless you have a dirty laundry fetish. But now the chance of finding some valuable electronics is greatly increased. I remember when they used to check baggage tickets before you could leave baggage claim, I can imagine the uproar if you need to wait in yet another line to escape the airport.


Posted by: SP | Link to this comment | 05-10-17 5:48 PM
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I don't remember that at all. But my memory doesn't go back to the Eldar Days.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-10-17 6:46 PM
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The argument at least when it was only African airports was that their security isn't as good so they're more likely to miss a bomb disguised as a laptop.

It was never only African airports, from the start it was MENA airports generally and Gulf region airports specifically. And DOH, AUH, and DXB* have excellent security (and are all much better airports all around than any I've ever been in in the US).

*the three primary airports affected because they are hubs for the major Gulf carriers


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 05-10-17 7:24 PM
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They're hubs, but most people fly into or out of Lincoln, Nebraska.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-10-17 7:50 PM
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All flight paths lead to Lincoln, Nebraska.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 05-10-17 8:00 PM
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Or Omaha, if they carry nuclear weapons.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-10-17 8:01 PM
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It is just all to hoover up people's data and discourage people from any kind of resistance at all, innit. I presume the NSA or whoever, already have everything they need on US citizens. Or need to protect themselves from some kind of constitutional challenge.

Foreigners under the auspices of TSA are in some kind of liminal lawless zone.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 05-11-17 2:33 AM
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I sometimes have to fly to the US for work, but, if I have to hand over passwords, fuck that.


Posted by: nattarGcM ttaM | Link to this comment | 05-11-17 2:36 AM
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Or Omaha, if they carry nuclear weapons.

Which apparently you can no longer take as hand baggage, but have to check into the hold.


Posted by: ajay | Link to this comment | 05-11-17 3:22 AM
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I recently had somebody walk off with my bag, only to bring it back to the airport 3 days later.


Posted by: Walt Someguy | Link to this comment | 05-11-17 3:48 AM
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Hawaii is in a geostrategially advantageous position, in a way that Caribbean countries are not. A huge portion of the Hawaiian economy is built on military spending.

Hawaii also has a milder climate going for it. Its always warm, but not generally godawful hot.


Posted by: Spike | Link to this comment | 05-11-17 4:26 AM
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Never winter. Always Christmas.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-11-17 5:11 AM
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Spirit Airlines would have charged a fee for the cup.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 05-11-17 5:24 AM
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I just read about the stupid goddamn laptop ban and came here looking for a place to bitch about it, and what do you know, y'all are way ahead of me.

I will be so bitter if this idiocy passes. Bitter, and disinclined to visit home.


Posted by: Swope FM | Link to this comment | 05-12-17 10:55 AM
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28.2 Welcome to my world.


Posted by: Barry Freed | Link to this comment | 05-12-17 10:40 PM
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Pwned.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 05-13-17 4:11 AM
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30 ->26

Fuller analysis of the phrase here at eclectic.com. Me, you and alameida.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 05-13-17 4:15 AM
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