Re: Nevada

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Note this isn't really "for all" - it's more like making Medicaid the state public option. A lot (all of?) state Medicaid, too, is then contracted out to private entities, although more aggressively and likely with better benefits (on paper) and lower cost to whoever pays than Exchange plans.

Doesn't replace Medicare or commercial, although depending on the relative price of Medicaid employers could decide to drop coverage in the expectation it works better for employees. (Although for now there's still the ACA employer penalty for many.)


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 06- 7-17 8:06 AM
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Kevin Drum​ just posted some numbers which surprised me, showing that, post-ACA Medicaid is both popular and serves a large number of people:. http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/06/medicaid-most-widely-used-benefit-program-existence


Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 06- 7-17 8:07 AM
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1: I said available for all.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 06- 7-17 8:12 AM
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3: Not that either.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 06- 7-17 8:13 AM
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Sorry, going over-contrarian. Technically for everyone, but it wouldn't get you out of paying Medicare taxes / employer premiums.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 06- 7-17 8:15 AM
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Doesn't everybody have to pay Medicare taxes?


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06- 7-17 8:16 AM
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Or Part B premiums.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 06- 7-17 8:17 AM
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I'm confused. Are you distinguishing between free Medicare and Medicare with premiums? I wasn't claiming it'd be free.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 06- 7-17 8:20 AM
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Medicare Part-E is a Lawrence Welk dance.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06- 7-17 8:21 AM
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I think you get it; my point is only that this isn't really designed to systematically replace Medicare/commercial as the vehicle for a kind of single-payer, just to be a better mechanism for covering everyone left uncovered than the ACA exchanges presently are. On Twitter and even in my professional life the shorthand "Medicaid for all" is tripping a lot of people up.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 06- 7-17 8:24 AM
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Is it accurate to call it a public option?


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 06- 7-17 8:28 AM
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Texas healthcare is a dumpster-fire for so very many reasons. So I don't know if it's true in blue states that exchange plans seem to be extremely shitty and user-unfriendly. But a public option would be a vast improvement and maybe even the marvel of the free market would force insurers to clean up their bullshit runaround a smidge.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 06- 7-17 8:31 AM
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Or to get Trump to stop Nevada by federal law.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06- 7-17 8:33 AM
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It depends what you mean by public option. It certainly represents the state price-making rather than price-taking, but it still uses private plans as intermediaries.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 06- 7-17 8:41 AM
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The American Patriotic Exchange for Shaping Health Insurance Plans Act.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06- 7-17 8:42 AM
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APESHIP.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 06- 7-17 8:45 AM
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I don't spell that good.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06- 7-17 8:55 AM
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APESHIP II.


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 06- 7-17 8:55 AM
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She's wearing surprisingly sensible shoes for a pin-up.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06- 7-17 8:58 AM
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The related bad news is that McConnell looks to be gearing up for stealth repeal of ACA under the cover of the fallout from the behavior of the Mad King.

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) took a procedural step Wednesday that will allow the GOP to fast-track its Obamacare repeal efforts in the Senate and side-step the typical committee process.


Posted by: JP Stormcrow | Link to this comment | 06- 7-17 8:59 AM
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He'll probably succeed. Nothing that's happened in the past couple of weeks will have done anything but convince them it's now or never. If a comet were about to destroy the earth, they'd still spend the last week of their lives trying to cut taxes on the 1%.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06- 7-17 9:15 AM
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Houston's MD Anderson, one of the premier US cancer centers, now refuses to take marketplace plans. Of course, the person I know who is directly harmed by this blames Obama.


Posted by: J, Robot | Link to this comment | 06- 7-17 9:16 AM
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Reason AZ and NV so different - unions.


Posted by: dairy queen | Link to this comment | 06- 7-17 9:18 AM
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Also, AZ is where Midwesterners who never voted for a Democrat in their lives retire to.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06- 7-17 9:20 AM
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Kevin Drum​ just posted

Oh. Anyone have the RSS feed for their new site?


Posted by: ogged | Link to this comment | 06- 7-17 9:23 AM
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If a comet were about to destroy the earth, they'd still spend the last week of their lives trying to cut taxes on the 1%.

I love the cartoon of the post-apocalyptic campfire where the elder is telling the children, "But for a brief time, we created a beautiful amount of stock value for shareholders."


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 06- 7-17 9:31 AM
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Oh. Anyone have the RSS feed for their new site?

Huh, I hadn't noticed, but it does look like my RSS feed hasn't received anything since their upgrade on Monday. Let me know if you find a different feed to use (the linked post was prior to that change).


Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 06- 7-17 9:56 AM
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Nevada only flipped over to purple recently, right? They still have a GOP governor and one senator of each party.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 06- 7-17 10:03 AM
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(But they expanded Medicaid with no delay.)


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 06- 7-17 10:03 AM
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Arizona and Nevada have both had huge population growth in the past couple decades, but Arizona had more people to start with and gets a bunch of retirees, while Nevada's had people coming in from all over the world to work in the service industry. So Nevada is less old, less churchy, and much less white (54% to 73% as of 2010).


Posted by: lourdes kayak | Link to this comment | 06- 7-17 10:06 AM
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19% is a pretty big error bar. White people are tricky.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06- 7-17 10:08 AM
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Not tricky but tricksy.


Posted by: dalriata | Link to this comment | 06- 7-17 10:28 AM
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27. Drum says the RSS isn't working yet - "should be fixed in the next day or two. ".


Posted by: chris y | Link to this comment | 06- 7-17 10:29 AM
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https://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/11/06/us/politics/latina-hotel-workers-harness-force-of-labor-and-of-politics-in-las-vegas.html?referer=https://www.bing.com/search?q=latina+hotel+workers+harness+force+of+labor+and+of+politics+in+las+Vegas&FORM=EDGENN


Posted by: dairy queen | Link to this comment | 06- 7-17 11:30 AM
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I need to convince my kid unionization is the path forward (along with redistricting reform and the state pacts to vote in the electoral college consistent with popular vote), rather than splitterism.


Posted by: dairy queen | Link to this comment | 06- 7-17 11:42 AM
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For light relief: http://www.francetvinfo.fr/faits-divers/terrorisme/valence-il-declenche-une-alerte-terroriste-en-recitant-sa-piece-de-theatre-dans-les-toilettes-d-un-tgv_2226359.html#xtor=CS2-765-[twitter]-

The dangers of theater!


Posted by: dairy queen | Link to this comment | 06- 7-17 12:08 PM
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23 is correct. 30 is too, but unions are the reason those differences have translated into such different political situations.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 06- 7-17 1:57 PM
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35: I can put him in touch with my girlfriend if you want.


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 06- 7-17 1:57 PM
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Kevin Drum:

Our RSS feed is back! Here's the address:

http://feeds.feedburner.com/KevinDrum

Posted by: NickS | Link to this comment | 06- 7-17 2:13 PM
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I'm sorry to threadjack, but I'm on day 6 of some kind of persistent stomach upset that has destroyed my appetite and limited my food intake to like 500 - 700 calories a day. I'm getting a little woozy. I'll see a doctor if it goes on much longer, but do any of you have any suggestions about high calorie foods that play ok with an upset digestive system?

(I blamed the whole thing on travel and had just been assuming I would eat when my appetite came back, but six days of this sucks too much for more waiting. The one sizeable meal I have eaten was tapas at a nice place in Manhattan, which led lourdes to joke that the virus that makes you incapable of digesting anything but gourmet restaurant food probably isn't a thing. It seems I can't go back there every night, anyway.)
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Posted by: lurid keyaki | Link to this comment | 06- 7-17 2:22 PM
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bummer. avocados? Can you manage dairy, butter on whole-grain bread? Oatmeal with honey?


Posted by: lw | Link to this comment | 06- 7-17 2:29 PM
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I went to Williamsburg
and I got the millennial disease
that can only be treated by avocado toast

Yogurt and honey maybe too. Thanks.


Posted by: lurid keyaki | Link to this comment | 06- 7-17 2:34 PM
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40: I'd recommend getting something with salt in it, for wooziness.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 06- 7-17 2:44 PM
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You already said yogurt, but the full-fat Greek stuff, for most calories for least bulk?


Posted by: LizardBreath | Link to this comment | 06- 7-17 2:49 PM
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Ginger ale and gatorade are relatively high calorie, too.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 06- 7-17 2:53 PM
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You could get an Ensure. I don't think they taste very good, but their supposed to be palatable.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06- 7-17 2:54 PM
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And frankly, smoke some pot.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 06- 7-17 2:57 PM
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In some states, don't smoke it frankly.


Posted by: Moby Hick | Link to this comment | 06- 7-17 4:22 PM
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In those states, smoke it earnestly.


Posted by: heebie-geebie | Link to this comment | 06- 7-17 6:15 PM
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40: Peanut butter, maybe?


Posted by: ydnew | Link to this comment | 06- 7-17 6:40 PM
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40: Maybe worth trying BRAT, though I'm not sure what the exact medical criteria are when professionals prescribe it.


Posted by: Minivet | Link to this comment | 06- 7-17 8:43 PM
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That does seem kind of a Wisconsin solution.


Posted by: CharleyCarp | Link to this comment | 06- 7-17 9:52 PM
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When I'm feeling sick, I often eat bland things like breaded foods. Maybe some kind of salted pretzels?


Posted by: fake accent | Link to this comment | 06- 7-17 9:59 PM
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Thanks for all the suggestions. I think it's turning the corner finally: I ate a whole dinner and don't feel like puking, although I am probably going to sleep immediately. I'm glad it didn't get to the point of having to figure out what "Ensure" is and what it is ensuring (nutrition?).

I may officially be too old for the redeye flight SFO-[NYC].


Posted by: lurid keyaki | Link to this comment | 06- 7-17 10:16 PM
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I was going to recommend avocado milkshakes. It's not too late -- they're also delicious when you're well.


Posted by: jms | Link to this comment | 06- 7-17 10:52 PM
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38: teo that is very generous, I may well take you up on it! He has a pretty sweet summer set up, volunteering on a 18c Fr - native American linguistics project for a Berkeley post-doc and then taking a summer session course on the history of the fr language. And his summer reading list for the first of his two-year prep for the baccalaureate is delectable. I'm begging off the hugo and susskind, but reading everything else with him.


Posted by: dairy queen | Link to this comment | 06- 8-17 12:28 PM
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56: Sounds like he has a pretty full plate this summer, but as a future consideration UNITE HERE has a summer organizing internship that Sharky did for a couple years, which was what got her on board with the importance of unions. You can reach me at the linked email if you'd like to discuss further. (I'd also be interested to hear more about the linguistics project.)


Posted by: teofilo | Link to this comment | 06- 8-17 12:55 PM
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Nevada vs Arizona? Nevada had the mob which has always been pro-union. The mob even ran a few of the unions, and why not? Someone had to stick up for the little guy. Unlike modern Republicans, mobsters were more than willing to throw a few crumbs.


Posted by: Kaleberg | Link to this comment | 06- 9-17 7:24 PM
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